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i had my thunderbolt set to wifi which i hardly ever do, left my house, and made a phone call using google voice while going for a walk. after i hung up, i noticed i had never turned mobile data back on. so, how did google voice handle my call half a mile from home without the verizon network? did it somehow switch seamlessly from wifi to mobile data without me agreeing to turn mobile data on?, just curious.
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i had my thunderbolt set to wifi which i hardly ever do, left my house, and made a phone call using google voice while going for a walk. after i hung up, i noticed i had never turned mobile data back on. so, how did google voice handle my call half a mile from home without the verizon network? did it somehow switch seamlessly from wifi to mobile data without me agreeing to turn mobile data on?, just curious.
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Google voice isnt VOIP... its using your cell signal, not your data. It does use a few packets to initiate the call over a data network, but after that, its using your minutes and your cell connection. The only real benefit for your average user is free text messaging (no mms) and visual voicemail for free. Its the same as using your cellphone otherwise, with far worse call quality.
if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different? I have only recently started using voice to dial out on calls and haven't really noticed a difference.
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if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different? I have only recently started using voice to dial out on calls and haven't really noticed a difference.
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There is no difference. Whether you are on WiFi or not, it still uses regular Verizon cell network as though you dialed the call normally. It still uses your minutes and doesn't use data.
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if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different?
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Because you're going through more hops, which means more transcoding and latency.
hmm seems like the quality is fine to me... its not like im calling into a recording studio to lay down the vocals for my next track anyway.
the real question is more about how google voice can just turn my mobile data on without asking me when i turned it off, whereas something like google maps has to prompt me every time to turn gps on. it would be nice if google maps could just remember my preference "yes, its okay to enable gps when i launch maps/navigation or click to show my location" rather than being sent to the location settings from maps every time
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I'd heard about lower quality on voice calls but just haven't experienced it. Is the call still connecting through a third party between callers these days? My understanding was callers are connected by the service but once connection is established they are directly connected. Would be curious to know the technical details
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You mean you are getting free text messages with GV? It doesnt count towards your text mesaging plan
Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service. Quality is the same, because you your "voice" is not being re-encoded, altered, or even rerouted in any way. All the Google voice service does is accept/make calls then hand them off. Just like calling a secretary and them transferring you to another office. Your GV number is the secretary, when someone calls it it informs all your phones that someone wants to talk to you and when you pick one up it "transfers" the call to you on that phone. Just as if they directly called you. Absolutely no difference. This is not voip, like skype, vonage, etc.
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You mean you are getting free text messages with GV? It doesnt count towards your text mesaging plan
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yep, but google voice can't handle picture messaging. i just told everyone, hey... can't get picture messages anymore. post stuff on facebook or email it to me. awesome to be able to save $10 or so a month doing this on verizon. on sprint they don't let you decline text messaging on a smartphone plan that im aware of, so it doesn't matter on sprint. very happy with verizon on this issue!
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Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service. Quality is the same, because you your "voice" is not being re-encoded, altered, or even rerouted in any way. All the Google voice service does is accept/make calls then hand them off. Just like calling a secretary and them transferring you to another office. Your GV number is the secretary, when someone calls it it informs all your phones that someone wants to talk to you and when you pick one up it "transfers" the call to you on that phone. Just as if they directly called you. Absolutely no difference. This is not voip, like skype, vonage, etc.
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thanks for the explanation - good to know.
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Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service.
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Especially you.
When a secretary transfers a call, it's to another DN on the same PBX, the connection is simply rerouted within the same system. If they "hand you off to another office," then they are adding a hop, and possibly transcoding, unless the PBXs are in a common VoIP domain, or in very specific cases, are coordinated to do anti-tromboning (e.g. all calls enter the main office, which then trunks them to remote sites - if a call is then transferred back to the main site or to another office, anti-tromboning may be used).
With GV, when you call out, your phone calls a special number belonging to GV (you can see this if you have detailed billing). From that point, the number you dialed is in turn connected. GV can't reach into the carrier's system and reroute the call there. So, it's another hop of latency and transcoding. It wouldn't surprise me if Google had SIP trunks, since they tend to be cheaper at scale.
It's similar in reverse, someone calls your GV number, they're connected to a Google site, which in turn forwards the call to your cell number (or whatever number you define). Again, another hop.
the call quality is fine
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My call quality actually went down after starting to use GV on my Thunderbolt. I have a severe 2-3 second lag with almost all my calls I start. I have no problem when receiving a call, there's no lag. Anyone else in the same boat?
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yes to lag when starting calls, but that is due to the connection method certainly. Has to connect to voice, then voice connects both parties.
But haven't noticed any call quality degradation from switching (yet?)
What is the voice calling capability found in Gmail (on the desktop) called officially? I've been trying to search for solutions for this, but I don't even know what to call it- Google has SO many voice services now (chat, talk, voice, etc) that all sound like the same thing, yet aren't!
Here's what I'm looking to do:
I used the phone call function in Gmail to call abroad a few weeks ago via my laptop. I put about $10 into my balance there because it was cheaper per minute to call outside the US than Skype was. Worked perfectly.
Now, I'm trying to see if I can replace my netbook with a Tablet, so I'm trying to make those same calls from Android. I'll be honest, I'm wishing I had picked Skype to put the $10 credit on! Skype seems pretty straight forward- install it on the android device, make calls. But I've already spent the $10 on Google, so I'd like to find a way to make this work!
I tried going to Gmail from the browser and seeing if there was a link to install an app or something to make calls (like there is on the desktop side of things), but there is nothing there (ok, I didn't really expect it to work like that, but worth a try).
Is this part of a google chat application or something? Or is there no way to use that calling credit on an Android device??
I don't know for sure, but here are two options:
* Change the user agent in your Android browser to "Desktop" and use that interface. Though I am not sure if there will be issues with that.
* Use Google Voice. Which I am pretty sure is part of the same service they are using for Gmail calling. I use this for everything so I can read and send texts from my computer.
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I don't know for sure, but here are two options:
* Change the user agent in your Android browser to "Desktop" and use that interface. Though I am not sure if there will be issues with that.
* Use Google Voice. Which I am pretty sure is part of the same service they are using for Gmail calling. I use this for everything so I can read and send texts from my computer.
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So, I tried the first one, but it requires a browser plugin to work (which is windows/mac only, so I can't get past that point).
Google Voice sounds like it could be it... but as far as I know, GV on Android doesn't actually let you place calls over IP yet, does it?
I thought it requires you to have a phone number it can call and then connect you via regular cellular minutes to the other party?
The device I'm using for this is a Tablet PC, so there isn't even a cellular radio or phone call system present. I'm trying to determine if I can replace a netbook for all the functions I use it for. This is something I know I can do on the netbook over wifi using the dialer in gmail, so I'd like to know I can do it on the Tablet as well. Does GVoice do that?
It's a paid app, but download GrooVe IP. It's the same thing that you did on your laptop, but with Android.
It is a third party app. But you get free, reliable calling anywhere in the US and get to use Google Voice's cheap international calling plans. [Edit: Over wifi, of course]
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So, I tried the first one, but it requires a browser plugin to work (which is windows/mac only, so I can't get past that point).
Google Voice sounds like it could be it... but as far as I know, GV on Android doesn't actually let you place calls over IP yet, does it?
I thought it requires you to have a phone number it can call and then connect you via regular cellular minutes to the other party?
The device I'm using for this is a Tablet PC, so there isn't even a cellular radio or phone call system present. I'm trying to determine if I can replace a netbook for all the functions I use it for. This is something I know I can do on the netbook over wifi using the dialer in gmail, so I'd like to know I can do it on the Tablet as well. Does GVoice do that?
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the new google talk for android 2.3.4 allows for vid chat (so probably just voice as well), over wifi or 3g. there are ways to get it on 2.3.3 devices, for some devices, maybe not all, don't know. but, i chatted with my buddy from my phone to his pc, so it's definitely a voip service
im doing google voice from my gingerbread phone (EVO 4G) as my primary line... i dont pay a monthly cell phone service... i get picture mail, txt messages, internet, and unlimited cell service.
Pbxes+Google Voice= Unlimited
I have no delay on my phone, it sounds better than sprint when i had it...
the only catch is; u have to have Wifi around... basically everywhere i go its wifi avaliable....
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im doing google voice from my gingerbread phone (EVO 4G) as my primary line... i dont pay a monthly cell phone service... i get picture mail, txt messages, internet, and unlimited cell service.
Pbxes+Google Voice= Unlimited
I have no delay on my phone, it sounds better than sprint when i had it...
the only catch is; u have to have Wifi around... basically everywhere i go its wifi avaliable....
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Is this only Google Voice for Gingerbread that supports that? Or is this a new feature in GV in general? Last I checked they didn't support it...
+1 for GrooveIP. Its much easier than the alternatives imo.
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+1 for GrooveIP. Its much easier than the alternatives imo.
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But if Google Voice has a native app that does this for free, I'm totally game! Nice to know there are choices, tho!
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But if Google Voice has a native app that does this for free, I'm totally game! Nice to know there are choices, tho!
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No, Google Voice does not do what GrooveIP does. When you have no cell coverage or lose cell coverage GV will drop your call or not place it, defeating the point. Even though you are on wifi you cannot place a call with GV w/o cell coverage. With GrooveIP you dont have to have cell coverage, you dont even need a sim.
I'm trying out this Groove IP right now. I must say I'm impressed by the call quality and the seemless functionality of the program. Not a huge fan of the constant notification, but I can live with it. OP it sounds like you should use this program, it's 3.99 in the market but boy is it worth it!
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im doing google voice from my gingerbread phone (EVO 4G) as my primary line... i dont pay a monthly cell phone service... i get picture mail, txt messages, internet, and unlimited cell service.
Pbxes+Google Voice= Unlimited
I have no delay on my phone, it sounds better than sprint when i had it...
the only catch is; u have to have Wifi around... basically everywhere i go its wifi avaliable....
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I setup pbxes + google voice and it seems to work most of the time. I'm interested to know how you are getting picture mail though - I thought googlevoice only supported txt messages.
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I'm trying out this Groove IP right now. I must say I'm impressed by the call quality and the seemless functionality of the program. Not a huge fan of the constant notification, but I can live with it. OP it sounds like you should use this program, it's 3.99 in the market but boy is it worth it!
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You can turn off the notification in the settings :]
And OP, Android 2.3+ has built in support for SIP addresses. You register with a provider online, and they'll route your calls. It's a bit more complicated to set up, and typically costs (But sites like PBXes will give them out for free if you use them at least once a month). You typically get a US number and can set that up with Google Voice. Apps like csipsimple and sipdroid are alternatives for supporting SIP if you don't have Android 2.3+
I suggested GrooVe IP because it's a 1 step setup (Login with your Google account and you're done), and is identical quality to the calling through Gmail because there's no middleman. It's certainly possible to set it up for free using SIP instead, and there are some great guides on google.
I am getting picture mail because: I had a Google voice number before I got me Sprint number. Then I migrated my Sprint # to my Google voice acct.
Since then my Sprint service was disconnected because I recently lost my job, so I decided since I was out of contract anyway i'll say forget Sprint and use my Google voice acct. But back to how I got picture mail, when they disconnected my Sprint acct they didn't disconnect the Sprint number because it migrated over to my Google voice.
So when I call my Sprint number it forwards it to my GV number... But to get picture mail (keep in mind my Sprint acct has been disconnected for like a month) u have to have mobile network always on, and have wifi connected at the same time, if someone sends me a picture mail it'll come thru but I can't download the picture (not by Sprint network), but since I have wifi on it'll download the picture for me (Sprint can't officially cancel the number because u migrated over to GV, so now its your number for good. The only catch u can't respond to the picture mail and u can only respond thru the Google voice app.
Back in April sipdroid gave people a way to merge pbxes & Google voice... So since I upgraded to gingerbread, I no longer use sipdroid and I use the built-in internet call feature in gingerbread...
So I have service like everyone else with no problem, just no 3g or 4G service, all wifi on my phone.... Plus I can use my Bluetooth with my phone with no problem...
Hopefully talk understood that, if not PM me and i'll try to break it down...
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Hello People!
I've been trying to research whether or not it is possible to set up a SIP account so that I can call my Google Voice number and then using the voice prompt menu in Google Voice gain access to toll free telephone calls.
I want to do this via the Nexus S. Has anyone done this? If so did you make step by step instructions? I'd like to do the same.
Thank you very much!!!!
It is indeed possible, through a combination of Google Voice, SipGate, and SipSorcery. It is not very stable in my experience, however, and it also drains your battery rather quickly because you need to be constantly connected (PBXes does help, but adds one more possible point of failure). I honestly wouldn't recommend it, but I can help you set it up if you really want to try it.
@Some_Person, Thanks for the offer for assistance. I just came across this instruction manual:
http://www.labnol.org/software/get-usa-local-phone-number/18407/
Now when I want to try I can't do it over 3G. Apparently SIP on Nexus S only allows for Wifi....
I'll let you know what happens when I test tomorrow and I certainly will take you up on your offer if this don't work.
Thanks again and I appreciate your response!
... don't you guys think that your operator has been already considered situation like this ? using 2G/3G/4G network to do "online - voice chat" or IP phone call , which will make them loose a lot of money ...
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to Suomalainen , you are unable to do this in 3G , i think that's probably banned by your operator ... because i have seem experience ...
@Some_Person
I got a IPKall number. I now need a SIP provider that will allow me to place free outgoing & receive free incoming calls.
I guess once I have this then I need to re-edit IPKall with new settings.
BUT can Google Voice be used/edited so that incoming calls are routed to my IPKall number which then are routed to my SIP software?
Alot of the stuff I'm finding on the web simply doesn't work.
Thanks!
@qtwrk- What would you rather have? Money made from the voice side of the business OR money from the data side of the business. With all the apps out there people are burning more data using these apps and this is where the revenue stream is for operators. The voice side of the network is a " just nice to have" for most of them....
but ...
data cost and voice cost are very different
i haven't used any IP call software , so i don't really know (i would image IP call software like skype is very similar), but i do have some online voice chat software (because some of my friend who i want call can just sit before a computer and then we can talk , exactly like phone...) , 1 hour , taking 1 hour only needs 3 - 5 mb
by my current operator
500 mb = 8 euros/moth
talking 60 minutes = establishment 0.15 euros , 0.08 euros per minute
0.15 + 0.08*60 = 4.95 euros , plus 18% of Value added tax
5.84 euros ...
so , 8 euros can allow you talk about 1 hour and 20 minutes , or by using Internet , chatting about 100 hours .
if i were your operator , i would definitely have these applications prohibited
I don't want to take up anymore space with this issue. This thread was suppose to be for getting help setting up SIP on my Nexus S. Please start new thread to voice your opinion.
Thanks!
Suomalainen said:
Hello People!
I've been trying to research whether or not it is possible to set up a SIP account so that I can call my Google Voice number and then using the voice prompt menu in Google Voice gain access to toll free telephone calls.
I want to do this via the Nexus S. Has anyone done this? If so did you make step by step instructions? I'd like to do the same.
Thank you very much!!!!
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Have you looked at GrooVe IP? Dunno if it'll fit all your SIP needs but it integrates well with Google Voice outside of the US.
@Slonn- Now this looks like something real interesting. Let me give it a shot and report back how it went. Thanks! Much appreciated!!!
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I don't want to take up anymore space with this issue. This thread was suppose to be for getting help setting up SIP on my Nexus S. Please start new thread to voice your opinion.
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, okay , sorry about changing subject , good luck to you to find what you looking for
I've not tried it myself, but my co-workers GrooveIP+G Voice is the solution you are looking for. It's on sale in the Amazon App Store for $1.99 BTW.
Some complaints I've heard are that service latency is often an issue when on 2g/3g. Should be a good solution on Wifi at the house though I would imagine.
@The Gurgler - This is perfect. Got it installed and it works. This is indeed exactly what I was looking for!!!!
Thanks very much for pointing this app out to me.!!!!
P.S.-Let's just hope google voice to USA remains free next year....
Can i use GrooveIP since i am situated outside of USA ?
@Ibn Saeed - If you read the info about this app via the app market it clearly states that prior to purchasing GrooveIP the user needs to ensure they have a GV # and a gmail account. What this means is that you cannot move forward until you have obtained these two items FIRST. Then when these two pieces are collected you still need to install the plugin for GV into gmail so you got the U.S . dial pad appearing under chat on the left side of gmail window. The instructions say you even need to test it prior to app install and/or download.
Once you have satisfactorily obtained a GV # and a gmail account and did the GV plugin install then you can purchase the GrooveIP app. After that installation is a piece of cake.
I had in the beginning static and echos but then I adjusted the Echo Cancellation and Echo tail settings and things have been working thus far.
Also, you need a good friend to help you test the bluetooth. It works for me but you need to be wary of Mr. Bluetooth's feelings. Sometimes as call is ringing I need to turn it off then back on in order to work.
Also, dial pad is quite similar to the normal dial pad. I could see how one could mistakenly use one over the other.
I also noticed one call in the call log that was recorded as 00:00 long but I spoke for 15 minutes!
I use this over 3G 1MB plan and am amazed how well this works.
Pay attention to Google rate plans. It might be worthwhile having $20 in their account for those calls you might want to use their service when making.
Required :
1. The phone of course (Samsung Droid Charge), other Android and iPhone working too.
2. Wifi Hotspot.
3. An active phone number on other phone (CDMA or GSM).
4. LINE from NAVER or VIBER from Viber Media, Inc (Download from market) and many other app available.
Let's begin :
1. Connect ur Droid to WIFI hotspot, download the app (LINE/VIBER) if you don't have it yet.
2. Run the app and register with an active phone number. The app will send SMS with a code to the registered phone number that app needed.
3. Complete the registration.
4. Add the phone number u need to call to ur Droid contact.
5. Enjoy ur call with the app.
NB:Calling/messaging function only work to the relevant app registered users. Most app only work for Android and iPhone and a few including Blackberry.
How is this different than Google voice?
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How is this different than Google voice?
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Google Voice doesn't make VOIP calls, it requires an actual number to connect to. However, you could get a plan that allows you to make calls to specified numbers without using minutes, then set your GV # as one of them, and make all the calls you want without using minutes.
GVoice makes VOIP calls. I measured the bandwidth at the router when I was on WIFI. I also set up a phone with no service with a different phone number. I also tested GVoice on WIFI by changing throughput and testing jitter and the effect on the VOIP calls.
I used Groove, I didn't try the calls with another method, although a Gchat session should work the same.
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How is this different than Google voice?
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I'm talking about free calls and available for all country. Does Google voice free and available for all country? I don''t think so....
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I'm talking about free calls and available for all country. Does Google voice free and available for all country? I don''t think so....
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Thanks for the post, I didn't actually catch that. I was just stating that GVoice does indeed use VOIP if it is set up to do so. I believe GVoice allows for free calls to US and Canada, as well as free calls from another country into the US and Canada.
Your solution is pretty awesome if you need that service. I would like to see an analysis of codec quality, delay, bandwidth usage, jitter, etc to see how it compares to GVoice. Google keeps saying that free GVoice calls will expire, but so far its been renewed. It will be nice to have an alternative, particularly a good, free alternative.
Have you tried your method with success? How is the subjective call quality and call drop rate, etc?
Thanks for the info
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Thanks for the post, I didn't actually catch that. I was just stating that GVoice does indeed use VOIP if it is set up to do so. I believe GVoice allows for free calls to US and Canada, as well as free calls from another country into the US and Canada.
Your solution is pretty awesome if you need that service. I would like to see an analysis of codec quality, delay, bandwidth usage, jitter, etc to see how it compares to GVoice. Google keeps saying that free GVoice calls will expire, but so far its been renewed. It will be nice to have an alternative, particularly a good, free alternative.
Have you tried your method with success? How is the subjective call quality and call drop rate, etc?
Thanks for the info
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U need high speed connection/WIFI to get better call quality.
I have used these apps and prove it work succesfully. The only issue is the call have a delay about 1 sec, so u need to be patient to wait the answere after u speak coz ur voice will be heard after the delay.
Viber will only allow free calls to other Viber users, unless they changed that at some point. And GV must have changed then if you can make calls with it VOIP style with no cell service and only wifi, as it was only a call forwarding service before, meaning you still needed to have the ability to make calls through the phone.
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Viber will only allow free calls to other Viber users, unless they changed that at some point. And GV must have changed then if you can make calls with it VOIP style with no cell service and only wifi, as it was only a call forwarding service before, meaning you still needed to have the ability to make calls through the phone.
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I know you can use the web version of Google Talk as an endpoint for outgoing calls now. I haven't messed with any versions on device though (and if it works, we'd still probably have the audio issue on the Charge).
I used Google voice in Puerto Rico to place free calls over wifi. You can't be in airplane mode because it uses the normal dialer, but it does not use any cellular airtime to place the call.
Google voice integrates well with the android OS. My gf uses it to stay under her 450min plan.
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I use it that way on my device, but it does use airtime.
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Viber will only allow free calls to other Viber users, unless they changed that at some point. And GV must have changed then if you can make calls with it VOIP style with no cell service and only wifi, as it was only a call forwarding service before, meaning you still needed to have the ability to make calls through the phone.
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Yeah, I can only speak regarding usage of GVoice with GrooveIP. Otherwise a phone call would have to be initiated in Google Chat. Without Groove, you probably won't know you have an incoming call, at least not in time to answer it.
My buddy uses Groove all the time on his WiFi with excellent results- it works okay on 3G in good coverage and it works excellently on 4G. I have enough minutes and crappy coverage so I generally don't use Groove a whole lot, but it sure is cool to be able to send/receive calls anytime to your GVoice number. I also set up the Google Voice app on the phone alongside Groove (I configured Google Voice app somehow not to notify/bother me). Groove does the phone calls and Google Voice app does the text. This way you can send/receive calls and texts for free without delays. It works brilliantly, and its nice to forward Verizon's voice mail to GVoice, then configure GVoice to forward an email for each text, voicemail, and missed call you get.
If I had better coverage, I would only use GVoice. There is a bit more delay with GVoice than a 1X call, I would say, but not bad.
Is it verified that Viber only works to other Viber callers?
I'm a little cynical that somehow the carriers will try to crack down on Google Voice users or that Google will at some point stop free calling.
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Is it verified that Viber only works to other Viber callers?
I'm a little cynical that somehow the carriers will try to crack down on Google Voice users or that Google will at some point stop free calling.
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It works to call anyone, but it is only free calling if the other user is also a Viber user. They may have changed it since I last looked though, but probably not.
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I use it that way on my device, but it does use airtime.
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Which one u used? My method or Google voice?
My fiancée and I got ourselves a pair of Nexus 5's a couple of weeks ago, switched from Verizon to the T-Mo $30 100/Unlimited/5GB(Unlimited) plan and are now happily saving over $100 a month in the process. Yay us!
However, I've been struggling with VOIP with varying degrees of success. I've spent a considerable amount of time researching and configuring and tweaking, and I'd like to share my findings, as well as get some feedback on some things I may have missed.
One of the first things I tried was the Google Voice/PBXes/CSipSimple method, which produced terrible call quality. Everything from echo to background noise. No matter what I did (and believe me, I tried everything I could find) the call quality was just terrible. Changing the mic source, enabling mode audio API, changing the SIP audio mode, changing codecs, nothing really helped. Battery life was great, but the call quality was pretty much unusable. I could hear myself echoing, the other party could hear their own voice echoing, and/or there'd be too much background noise, or I'd be too quiet, etc.
Next, I tried Talkatone (paid for premium). Connection problems galore! I'd have several "lag fests" over WiFi (never tried it on LTE) even when I was sitting right at the router. Everything would cut out for about 30-45 seconds and then resume as if nothing happened, and this occurred 2-3 times over the course of a 10-15 minute call. Yes, I ruled out a connection/router issue. Battery life was "OK" but it wasn't as good as it was with CSipSimple.
I then tried GrooveIP (paid). Lots of echo here. Again, no setting or combination of settings really seemed to get rid of it. Tried as I might, the echo was always there. Battery life was on par with Talkatone.
Next, I decided I'd go a different direction and tried Skype. The voice quality was much improved, with no echo, but complaints of background noise, especially while on speakerphone. This has been passable, though not "ideal" (I know, VOIP isn't perfect). The big issue with Skype has been the absurd battery drain. A 30 minute call drained my battery by almost 20% and Skype was topping the charts by a long shot on the battery usage.
I know there are other options out there such as Viber, but I've not seen a whole lot out of them in terms of reviews, etc. I may just end up trying Viber and seeing how it pans out, but the options are starting to run out.
I know part of the problem is the same one the Nexus 4 had with the microphone(s) but, I'd like to think I just might be overlooking something. If anyone feels they've "solved the problem" please share your settings, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels as though they're banging their head against a wall here.
Fenuxx said:
I know there are other options out there such as Viber, but I've not seen a whole lot out of them in terms of reviews, etc. I may just end up trying Viber and seeing how it pans out, but the options are starting to run out.
I know part of the problem is the same one the Nexus 4 had with the microphone(s) but, I'd like to think I just might be overlooking something. If anyone feels they've "solved the problem" please share your settings, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels as though they're banging their head against a wall here.
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Viber works well for me and I only hear a slight echo if I'm talking with Nexus 4 users. Give it a shot. Tango might be worth a try, too. Good luck.
Well, I believe Csipsimple is the best voip client available. So, you'll most likely want to go back to your first solution, but replace pbxes with Callcentric, voip.ms or another voip provider. I've tried everything you did as well (plus a few more options) and with the exception of Skype, found the quality to be unacceptable. What I'm suggesting won't be free, but the cost is extremely low. Actually, voip.ms could be a very good solution for you. You would establish and fund one "account", but set up separate "sub-accounts" for yourself and your fiance. If you wanted to use GV exclusively, you could then purchase a couple of DIDs and set up GV to forward to them. I use an app on my phone called Groove Forwarder that changes my GV forwarding settings based on my data connection. If I'm on LTE, etc..., it forwards to my T-Mobile number. When I'm connected to Wi-Fi though, it switches to my Flowroute (another voip provider) number. Also fwiw, you can use voip over LTE if you want. Being in a moving vehicle set up that way will cause issues however.
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Well, I believe Csipsimple is the best voip client available. So, you'll most likely want to go back to your first solution, but replace pbxes with Callcentric, voip.ms or another voip provider. I've tried everything you did as well (plus a few more options) and with the exception of Skype, found the quality to be unacceptable. What I'm suggesting won't be free, but the cost is extremely low. Actually, voip.ms could be a very good solution for you. You would establish and fund one "account", but set up separate "sub-accounts" for yourself and your fiance. If you wanted to use GV exclusively, you could then purchase a couple of DIDs and set up GV to forward to them. I use an app on my phone called Groove Forwarder that changes my GV forwarding settings based on my data connection. If I'm on LTE, etc..., it forwards to my T-Mobile number. When I'm connected to Wi-Fi though, it switches to my Flowroute (another voip provider) number. Also fwiw, you can use voip over LTE if you want. Being in a moving vehicle set up that way will cause issues however.
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Yeah, I also tried the Callcentric+PBXes route for the iLBC codec, which didn't seem to help. I'm not entirely convinced it's the PBX provider that's at fault, as I don't have these weird audio issues with CSipSimple+PBXes/Callcentric on my "home phone" (separate Google Voice account) which is an old DROID Incredible 2. Voice quality there is fine.
I did look into voip.ms, but when I signed up (late at night), they forced a "manual authentication" on me (why, I don't know) and I needed to contact support. I tried logging in the following morning, only to be greeted with a message about my IP address not being whiteflagged and not being authorized to access the account. Being that my IP address is dynamic, I don't think I want to constantly fight that battle about "approving" my IP address whenever it changes.
Create a ticket with voip.ms support to inquire. I've only good things to say about their response times and help.
Does anyone have bluetooth headsets working with csipsimple? On my nexus 5 I've yet to find a sip phone that works correctly with a headset.
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I then tried GrooveIP (paid). Lots of echo here. Again, no setting or combination of settings really seemed to get rid of it. Tried as I might, the echo was always there. Battery life was on par with Talkatone.
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groove and google voice gave me no echo when calling a landline from my wifi connection. i think this has to be your internet access that would be messing this up. . .or maybe it's just bad for voip to voip calls
I can personally attest to voip.ms + csipsimple + g729 codec ($10 dollars in the playstore) reliability as a voip setup for my Nexus 5. My set up is basically that GV forwards to my voip.ms DID which rings directly to my Nexus 5's csipsimple app. In the event that im not registered in csipsimple (e.g. lose connection, servers go down, etc) I have failover set up w/ voip.ms to ring to my real tmobile phone number. I have zero issues with call quality or echo and I have had full conversations with people on the phone even while driving. I also used this guys tip when first setting up, these may or may not change a thing but Ive had my csipsimple configured with these settings since day 1 also.
1. Go to settings
2. Click the menu button -> Expert Mode
3. Go to “media” -> select echo mode and choose WebRTC (probably already chosen)
4. In “media” go to “Audio troubleshooting” -> “Mic source” -> Voice call
5. in “Audio troubleshooting” -> “Audio implementation” -> Java
I use flowroute + csimpsimple (G729). Call quality is excellent and low latency on WiFi and LTE, and not bad over HSPA/HSPA+.
My main issue at the moment is bluetooth. I cannot get it to work with the bluetooth in my car (only bluetooth I have). I can get incoming audio OK, but it appears to be using the phone microphone for outgoing audio instead of the car microphone and it's very garbled and noisy.
There was a software issue in 4.2 regarding inline mic gain, 4.2.2 fixed it. GroovIP free worked fine for me after the update. There is only a few months left of google voice as they are shutting it down on May 15, 2014.
I have been using Viber for over two years. Works perfectly fine. Try it.
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