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OK, so I've been using a Kaiser/Tilt with Eclair on it for awhile. I've spent countless hours drooling after the Nexus One. When AT&T finally got the "Backflip" from Motorola, I just couldn't resist. I took the plunge.
I should've known better. I have plenty of AT&T horror stories, and this is the same carrier that wont allow you to tell your Java apps NOT to ask for permission more than once (making Opera mini a PITA but the only usable browser for non-smart-phones).
There is NO option to install applications from untrusted sources. This means anything on your SD card, downloaded from the web or over your wifi at home WILL NOT WORK. Naturally, you also cannot use the "su" command in terminal.
Motoblur is nice I guess, but the uninstallable AT&T paid apps, the limitations of 1.5 firmware (ie: no google navigator, no voice search) and the locked-to-yahoo-search-bar are enough to get me to say NO to any further AT&T abuse.
With the Kaiser's bloatware, they removed/hid apps from you so you wouldn't try to use them and replaced them with their crapware.
AT&T does not know the meaning of "open" and they do not understand Android. You are not buying an Android phone when you buy from AT&T.
You are buying a device LOCKED to a market with a smaller number of applications than the iPhone (I don't use Apple products either ) forced to use a lesser search engine for your most convenient option and subject to losing any application that was once on the market but then removed. You can't install your own apps or even test them on your device. Period.
Also on my first day of using it I got a number of "Force Close" messages including on the built-in applications (ie: Motorola's flavor of the desk clock).
It's decent hardware, it feels pretty zippy to me, but this is exactly why I WONT buy an iPhone.
Screw you, AT&T. I will make sure that everyone I know is properly informed about this crippled device that is nothing like the Android experience is supposed to (expected to!) be.
/endrant phew, going to go breathe for awhile.
EDIT: I will add:
- Set "orientation" on this phone when you tilt it and somehow it gets stuck in one orientation or the other (who knows maybe this one is just me, not seen any other backflips) if you set it back to just when you open/close it it's fine again though
- The desk clock can't be launched manually and is tricky to get to appear trying to get the phone in that perfect angle to display it
- I don't have a separate camera on me right now to show you the menu but to back up with sources:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1910...n_atandt_not_the_full_android_experience.html
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/121849
Don't buy this phone. Stay away from AT&T, stay away from Motorola (IMO or at least the motorola backflip).
This is pretty horrible.
I have two questions, though.
1) Can you take a screen cap of the Settings > Applications screen so we can see the lack of Unknown Sources option? That'd really help people see the validity of this issue.
2) I hope you have some kind of 30-day money-back guarantee when buying a handset from AT&T like Sprint offers. Otherwise, ouch =/
I haven't tried to install an apk from astro or anything, but i have pushed a few with ADB which seems to work fine. It kinda sucks, but I really hope that we can figure out root access soon! I don't care for blur, but I like android. Hopefully we don't have to wait to long. Here is an ADB guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643866
I wonder if Apple suddenly took over AT&T because this kind of behaviour is more common to them
... It's not only AT&T who manages to confuse their customers about an OSS... Don't forget who decided to lock down an open software system boot-loader for everyone *cough*Motorola*cough*
Apple made them an offer they could not refuse!
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I spent some time with one yesterday.
Ouch, even my Fuze running eclair is faster.
They really broke this machine.
I am worried about other att phones!
My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
HushH said:
My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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mines as well. i hope they dont. i know its off topic but is there an officail release date for the x10 on att? i hear it may be april/may
Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
IConrad01 said:
Someone more familiar than I needs to figure out the proper java system call to enable unknown/untrusted sources and then post on this thread the proper at command to execute it via CLI. You wouldn't even need root to do this.
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Assuming the software running on the Backflip is the same software they released the source to on opensource.motorola.com, there may be hope of that. I'll dig into it when I get time.
Wow. I am surprised that this was picked up by Gizmodo. Do we have anyone corroborating this? Doesn't this somehow violate Google's terms of service?
HushH said:
My hope for an even somewhat open x10 on AT&T is starting to dwindle.
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Mine too! Just means to spend the couple extra hundred dollars and get an unlocked unbranded one.
I got the Backflip just because I am moving on from my jailbroken iPhone and I wanted something neat and shiny.
I can say that there is a lot of smack talk here, but give these guys a chance here to root the phone and get some things working on it.
It's been two days since the release and I can already say, that I like the phone a hell of a lot more today then I did on Sunday. I've been able to install untrusted sources using the Droid Explorer, a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's okay, considering that if I want Android, then this is the only way to go for now.
But I have faith in someone out there... Someone will figure this out.
I just hope it's within my 30 day return policy.
EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
This may just be my unit but the A2DP doesn't work right, it starts playing music then begins to fast forward whatever you are watching or listening to. Did a hard reset, no luck. Looks like I already need a replacement lol.
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EDIT: I Installed "GDE" on my device and I am able to use the Google search widget... So that issue is sort of solved...
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Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
nutcake852 said:
Can you please explain how you got the google search widget working?
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Eh; fail on my part. It's mostly a cosmetic fix. I didn't actually test it, but when you click on it, it changes to "Yahoo".
So my bad on that one.
God, I hate Yahoo. Ever since that stupid ass cowboy did that commercial, it's ate away at my soul...
I don't know why...
To think we were all worried about how Verizon was going to cripple android only to have ATT do it instead. At first I was amazed and then I realized that any android phone would have outshown their prized phone...oh well one more reason to love being on T-Mobile. ;-)
I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
Help i ****ed up my phone
So i just rooted my g1 to get the nexus one features to it and now all it is doing is foreclosing instead of going to the home screen if anyone can help can you please email me at [email protected] thank you
Xodium said:
I played with a Backflip. My god it's a horrid phone. And yeah, Android is completely locked down, with no way to delete those AT&T apps and no installing off-Market Android Apps out of the box.
I was going to wait to see what AT&T was going to bring to the table, but I'm not holding my breath.
Btw, I noticed that AT&T trained to sell the Backflip pretty hard. Like, seriously, I was looking at phones today, and every other word out of the rep's mouth was that I should buy the Backflip. Thankfully I'm more informed than that. I walked out with an iPhone instead. (Don't grill me, I use a Touch Pro2, I just needed a good phone for my work line >_<)
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I really do think though that this is going to end up to be a decent phone.
I know I am a little pro for that comment, just because I bought one. But lets look at every phone that ever comes out. There is always some sort of challenge that we have to overcome.
And; with all the threads I've been reading about this; it looks like it was BOTH AT&T and Motorola that are to blame for locking this phone down. ATT cause they don't want us to install from anything but an "App Store" and Motorola because they don't want their devices used for what "there were not intended to be used for," is the wording I've seen floating around the internet.
But in all seriousness. I am coming from an iPhone 3GS which I had jailbroken. So I am coming from a phone that I had everything and anything on to this, and I am, overall, happy with it. Although it's only been 5 days, I can say I don't think I'll change my mind in the next 25 days.
But that's just my two-cents.
Can someone explain to me why the MyTouch 4G slide runs 2.3.4 but isn't G-Chat Video Chat compatible? I've asked in a few other threads and one person confirmed it's not compatible. But why?
I am about to turn my Nexus S over to have a keyboard to use but I have also been video chatting a lot and I am not sure I want to give that up.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Why doesn't it work and do you think it will at some point? Any thoughts appreciated.
There's no real technical reason why not. There's a front facing camera on this phone.
Because Qik paid a lot of money to T-mo??
This is so lame, it's beyond belief!
Anyone try the updated Skype?
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You can use G-chat video chat through the app Vtok from the market.
add this to the list of reasons we desperately need perm root.
the amount of bloat on this phone is seriously ridiculous... is this how the mytouch line has always been? (I've never owned one)
hardware-wise, this phone is awesome.
but it really might be the most annoying rom I've ever run... tmo needs to stop injecting their crap into otherwise perfectly functional software.
This phone so needs s-off and permroot.
The bastardized sense 3 this thing runs sucks and I want to be able to chance my lcd density
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add this to the list of reasons we desperately need perm root.
the amount of bloat on this phone is seriously ridiculous... is this how the mytouch line has always been? (I've never owned one)
hardware-wise, this phone is awesome.
but it really might be the most annoying rom I've ever run... tmo needs to stop injecting their crap into otherwise perfectly functional software.
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No. The original mytouch 3g was all stock android. But T-mobile did gut the original release of the phone by only having 192 MBytes of RAM making that phone unusable. The newer models had more RAM added.
All the newer phones have a lot of bloat.
this phone is just so unstable, and sensitive. you get anywhere near the hardware buttons and they detect a touch, the keyboard damn near wont, and when you do get every thing working right it will have a full on freakout opening and closing Google search and flashing the keyboard a 1000 times a second.
and on top of all this it takes a screen shot every time you touch the phone
I don't know WTF is wrong with this thing, but i cant wait to get the cash up to get any other t-mobile smartphone
unless someone has some grand idea on how to get it to act right
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this phone is just so unstable, and sensitive. you get anywhere near the hardware buttons and they detect a touch, the keyboard damn near wont, and when you do get every thing working right it will have a full on freakout opening and closing Google search and flashing the keyboard a 1000 times a second.
and on top of all this it takes a screen shot every time you touch the phone
I don't know WTF is wrong with this thing, but i cant wait to get the cash up to get any other t-mobile smartphone
unless someone has some grand idea on how to get it to act right
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If I were you i'd get the sidekick 4G, it's close to the dart's price and has much better performance and isn't as buggy as the dart. The problems you have could be from lag or just the software is bad. Or you can save up and get a phone with a dual-core, which may not be for your needs. If you like samsung go with the sidekick instead. The buttons at the bottom are touch ones so they have to be sensitive so that they will be responsive, the screen is a bit small so you're likely to hit it very often at the bottom area. The phone has touchwiz and that doesn't work good on underpowered devices at all, and touchwiz itself is bad, unless it's the version on the Galaxy S2.
ya i planing to get the sidekick 4G next time i get some cash up
thenumber5 said:
ya i planing to get the sidekick 4G next time i get some cash up
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It's a really nice device, the keyboard is really nice too. I had owned one prior to my Mytouch 4G, but mines broke so they replaced it with the mytouch instead. You should look up a review on youtube to though so you atleast have an idea of what it's like.
hmmm.....
i had no idea the dart was so bad...GOOD THING I HAZ A SENSATION!!!!
It works perfectly with some tweaking
I rooted this phone. Removed the bloatware and Swype. Set LauncherPro as the default homescreen and used no label 5 icon rows and columns. Also the 3D app drawer. No special effects. Runs beautifully with this setup. It even runs Netflix! Woot! Be sure to use a TaskManager to kill apps. I use Advanced Task Manager by InfoLife. Good luck!
You can get rid of all of the T-mobile crap by using the Canadian rom for the Dart. It is a very clean rom. The stock roms and tools are at: http://www.madteam.co/forum/development-70/(archive)-stock-roms-and-tools/
They also have CyanogenMod being ported to the Dart at the same link above, but it has some work left. If you are going to sim/network unlock do that before switching as it has to be done on the stock rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335548
the custom rom has make this phone very fast
I currently have a Thunderbolt that just recently became close to unusable to me. (The power button does not work without me jamming it into an edge of a table or wall...I heard this is a common problem). I talked to Verizon, I didn't have insurance since I've never needed it before, all my previous phones have worked so well, and they could not offer me any good options, I'd have to buy a new phone at sticker price.
So I thought to hit up eBay to see what I could get. Then I realized, there are no phones out there that really call out to me as of yet. So then I had an idea, why don't I just get a phone that is easy to root/customize/hack, but use it normally until I do find a phone that does stand out to me. That way, when I do get a NEW phone, I'll have a secondary to "play" around with.
I am a software developer and know a thing or two about OSs and ROMs but not a whole lot. I've hacked various things like 360/Wii games down to the binary level, not "Hi I edited a text file and gave me more $$$ in my game, I'm 733t". That being said, I'm not interested in using easy 1-click install programs to customize the phone. I actually want to understand how it all works. Basically, I just want a phone that acts as a playground that I can just play around with. Any idea's what phone would be best for what I seek? Sorry, I am restricted to a phone that works on the Verizon network, but if there is a phone outside of Verizon that stands out too, I wouldn't mind hearing about it, but I need a Verizon phone unfortunately.
Also, I'd rather have a phone that has a little kick too (hardware-wise)...no sense in hacking an Atari when you can hack an Xbox, if you catch my drift.
I have a fascinate, and it's pretty easily hackable and nearly impossible to brick. very glad I made the decision to get this phone.
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http://www.filecrop.com/Button-remapper-apk.html
That'll fix ur button problem
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The dual core shooter. Double the bad ass.
Nexus Prime, confirmed it's comming to verizon in november.
Hello!
So I've been flashing various ROMs on my Inspire for a few months, however I always have to revert to a Sense ROM to get correct touch screen input on my phone.
What will happen is, when I use CM7 or any other CM7 based rom, my touch screen will act very odd.
For example, when I go to use the keyboard, and I try to touch and hold on the period to get to another punctuation mark, when I drag my finger to the mark, I have to go a good half an inch above the actual button for it to register that I am over that specific button. Regular button presses work relatively fine, however I don't have this issue at all when I use Sense ROMs.
It happens in any game or app that requires me to do anything regarding dragging my finger on the screen.
I have no idea why this is happening, most recently on Gingerbeast 2.1.2, with the newest ATT aosp radio.
Any tips or help?
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kingmike26 said:
Hello!
So I've been flashing various ROMs on my Inspire for a few months, however I always have to revert to a Sense ROM to get correct touch screen input on my phone.
What will happen is, when I use CM7 or any other CM7 based rom, my touch screen will act very odd.
For example, when I go to use the keyboard, and I try to touch and hold on the period to get to another punctuation mark, when I drag my finger to the mark, I have to go a good half an inch above the actual button for it to register that I am over that specific button. Regular button presses work relatively fine, however I don't have this issue at all when I use Sense ROMs.
It happens in any game or app that requires me to do anything regarding dragging my finger on the screen.
I have no idea why this is happening, most recently on Gingerbeast 2.1.2, with the newest ATT aosp radio.
Any tips or help?
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Sounds like an issues with the open source drivers that cm based roms use. If this happens on all cm based roms. There is nothing you can really do about it till the CM team fixes the drivers. Same thing with WIFI and BT
This happens to me as well!
I can confirm this happens on Sense ROMs too. I thought initially it was a keyboard issue, but it happens whether I'm in SwiftKey or HTC's stock keyboard. It's sometimes so bad I can't type a specific letter at all and have to wait a minute for whatever is wrong to go away.
Does anyone think this could be a hardware issue?
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I can confirm this happens on Sense ROMs too. I thought initially it was a keyboard issue, but it happens whether I'm in SwiftKey or HTC's stock keyboard. It's sometimes so bad I can't type a specific letter at all and have to wait a minute for whatever is wrong to go away.
Does anyone think this could be a hardware issue?
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Its not a hardware issue, its a known issue with HTC touchscreen driver
Ah ok. Has there been any effort by HTC to fix it?
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Ah ok. Has there been any effort by HTC to fix it?
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epic quote! haha, sorry couldnt resist. Likely we are on our own with these phones, they are about to come up on being a year old so not so much development is gonna be done on the corporate side of things.
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epic quote! haha, sorry couldnt resist. Likely we are on our own with these phones, they are about to come up on being a year old so not so much development is gonna be done on the corporate side of things.
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frustrating but true
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frustrating but true
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would be nice if manufacturers would at least support a phone for 2yrs from launch, to accommodate standard contract. I know its not their problem, and even when they dont support their phones, we still buy them :/
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would be nice if manufacturers would at least support a phone for 2yrs from launch, to accommodate standard contract. I know its not their problem, and even when they dont support their phones, we still buy them :/
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I was just about to edit my post saying the same thing..how dare the consumer expect a phone manufacturer to continue support for a standard contract length..but then again, the contract is up to AT&T and not so much the manufacturer...hhaha but then again neither AT%T is really doing much for the Inspire as well..we're all sheep though, thank God for XDA and the devs!
Can anyone verify this is happening on stock ROMs?
MMM-BACONSTRIPS said:
I was just about to edit my post saying the same thing..how dare the consumer expect a phone manufacturer to continue support for a standard contract length..but then again, the contract is up to AT&T and not so much the manufacturer...hhaha but then again neither AT%T is really doing much for the Inspire as well..we're all sheep though, thank God for XDA and the devs!
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Yeah, I too have been *****ing about this for a while. Manufacturer roughly follows warranty period for support, and AT&T follows... oh wait, AT&T doesn't really give a crap about phone support!
The Desire HD will most likely be supported for 2 years. October will be 2 years matter of fact. It came to ATT late in the game. That is not HTC's fault. Also HTC has released a 2.3.5 Sense 3.0 ROM for the Desire HD. And even the Telus Desire HD (exactly like the inspire) just received the update. So the ROM is available. Again it is ATT holding it back and not HTC.
I've been having the same issue on my ICS rom. Happens just randomly and I haven't been able to figure out what it is that's causing it. Fresh load, no other apps aside from barcode scanner, facebook and twitter.
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I've been having the same issue on my ICS rom. Happens just randomly and I haven't been able to figure out what it is that's causing it. Fresh load, no other apps aside from barcode scanner, facebook and twitter.
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The idea that it's the fault of the open source touchscreen drivers doesn't seem to jibe, since it's happening on both Sense and non-Sense ROMs (I'm presuming no touchscreen driver modifications have been made in the Sense ROMs; correct me if I'm wrong.) I reached out to HTC for comment on its Facebook page last week but no one has responded. :sigh:
Can anyone speak to the likelihood of it being some other custom ROM component or an issue with a custom kernel? Has anyone on a stock, unrooted device experienced this problem?