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I've checked every possible tag in my mind about this and couldn't find one for Sensation.
Is it possible to revet back to the original state before the Revolutionary. Is it possible to completely uninstall the Revolutionary from my phone?
I'm not talking about the s-off -> s-on
I'm talking about returning the phones software to its original state.
Like it is never installed in the first place.
Thank you.
It's funny because last weekend I wanted to do exactly the same thing.
What I learnt was to go from S-OFF back to S-ON can be quite fiddly and tricky, abd if you mess it up rub the risk of bricking your phone.
In order to get the stock Rom, here is the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
Now it's just a case of finding which one you are, and your ril and radio.
Good luck
Thank you for your answer. But this is not what I want I can do this already but when I check the bootloader I see the pink "Locked" and it tells me that Revolutionary is still there.
I can go to S-On without any trouble that is not what I am asking.
What I am asking is to be able to get rid of every little bit of coding about the Revolutionary and return my phone to its original bootloader software.
If is says locked then ur good since that's what it said when you bought the phone.
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If is says locked then ur good since that's what it said when you bought the phone.
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When I get my phone there wasn't such writing. It is the product of Revolutionary.
So it is still there. I want to be able to get rid of it.
I'm not asking this about the warranty purposes. I'm asking this because I've realized that after using Revolutionary I can't install any app from market via wireless no matter what I did. Strangely it is fine to surf and download via mobile.
I know this because this is the Second Sensation I've faced having this problem and I remember some user Leviathan(maybe wrong?) talking about wifi dieing after Revolutionary.
So what I need is to get rid of it and be able to install original bootloader(maybe bootloader is not the right term here I don't know).
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When I get my phone there wasn't such writing. It is the product of Revolutionary.
So it is still there. I want to be able to get rid of it.
I'm not asking this about the warranty purposes. I'm asking this because I've realized that after using Revolutionary I can't install any app from market via wireless no matter what I did. Strangely it is fine to surf and download via mobile.
I know this because this is the Second Sensation I've faced having this problem and I remember some user Leviathan(maybe wrong?) talking about wifi dieing after Revolutionary.
So what I need is to get rid of it and be able to install original bootloader(maybe bootloader is not the right term here I don't know).
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flash stock hboot, should come with a ruu file, but you can always check if you extract rom.zip from the ruu.exe.
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I've tried installing stock roms over it no luck untill now.
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I've tried installing stock roms over it no luck untill now.
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i am saying that you probably have a modified hboot, because of the revolutionary sOFF, just like alpharev. you need to flash stock hboot to get everything back, hboot flashing is dangerous, if it goes wrong youll have a brick.
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and stock hboots are found in ruus.
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and stock hboots are found in ruus.
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Thank you for your answer. I understand what do you mean. But I'm not sure if it will help because while flashing stock rom it also updates hboot.
I just booted into the bootloader just for curiosity and it says locked and tampered. However I have never unlocked my bootloader and have not tampered with it. I thought that it only says tampered if you unlock the bootloader. Anyone else noticed this?
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so did I
where did you buy it
any chance of buying a returned one
I bought it at tmobile on launch day so I don't think it is returned.
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Tampered means non-official software such as root. Unlocking the bootloader does not cause it to say tampered.
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I don't have root. This is how my phone came from tmobile. Can anyone else that has not unlocked there bootloader or rooted their phone check to see if your phone says tampered?
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If a stock rom is flashed you won't have root but it will still say tampered on the hboot,
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Yes but I have not flashed anything. this is how it came from tmobile. Do you think my phone was messed with before I bought it?
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If you havent touched it, Meaning you havent flashed a recovery nor a ROM or root.. and your phone is 100%stock...
I would send it back, and say wtf is this ? lol, Or if you are going to mod it eventually, leave it as it is.. root it and flash a custom ROM now
Yeah I do plan on rooting eventually but it makes me a little curious as to why the hell it says this when I have not messed with it at all. It makes me wonder who has? Now if I go to take it back tmobile will think I did it.
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they could do, but its obvious you havent because the bootloader is locked, you cant flash stuff with a locked bootloader.. If they do ask questions, act dumb
'wtf is bootloader ?' 'wtf is htcdev?' you should be fine, You've only just got the phone..
Yeah that is true. I will probably exchange it tomorrow. There is probably nothing wrong with it but it kinda gives me a funny feeling because it already says tampered. Like I said I plan to root but it makes me wonder if anyone else bought a phone like this.
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Yeah that is true. I will probably exchange it tomorrow. There is probably nothing wrong with it but it kinda gives me a funny feeling because it already says tampered. Like I said I plan to root but it makes me wonder if anyone else bought a phone like this.
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The phone should not come like that!
It appears that you have been sold a refurbished phone as new. In the UK that is illegal! I don't know where you are, but would think that it would also be illegal wherever you live. I would certainly return it. Rather than plead ignorance, I would say that you googled the 'tampered' issue and know that it means the phone does not have stock software installed. Kick up a real stink and ask for compensation - get them to give you a free case or something for it.....?
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I don't have root. This is how my phone came from tmobile. Can anyone else that has not unlocked there bootloader or rooted their phone check to see if your phone says tampered?
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I will let you know tonite--get mine then--
But, as my first post here, I think it is used--hope not
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Tampered means non-official software such as root. Unlocking the bootloader does not cause it to say tampered.
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I agree that it should not cause it to say tampered, However I also attempted the unlock with the purpose to root and it came back with tampered. This caused the boot-loader to lock and now I have a soft-brick. Now I cant flash anything. Has anyone found a solution to this yet? I am able to re-lock it but still shows tampered and the boot-loader locked up.
If you flash something it will always say tampered even if you relock the bootloader.
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got mine tonite, no tampered, even after unlocking bootloader--
Are you sure? Got a screenshot of the bootloader?
Maybe you got delivered a ENG HBOOT device by some weird chance or something. That would help devs temendously.
Cause I have not yet heard of a properly unlocked device that does not say tampered. To the contrary, everyone left and right is trying hard to get rid of it...
not even sure how to do screenshot,
It may only say tampered when you relock it if I am not mistaken. I have a rezound that did not say tampered but just unlocked because I had yet to relock boot loader (I eventually switched to an eng boot loader). As for the op, I would return the phone because it is quite possible someone unlocked it to play around with it wherever you bought it from. What they did could cause problems down the line, not of your own doing.
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Pressing power and home button at the same time might do the trick
Edit: but of course that won't help if your in fast boot lol
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Hey guys. New on the forum and unfortunately a noob. I saw recently 2.20 was open to be rooted for this phone. The instructions are hard enough to follow, let alone on a macbook pro. I got as far as getting the token from htcdev.com. couldn't get any further. I decided to give up as the topic is still fresh and there isn't much Mac love regarding the new root method. So now since I got that far I am still on the stock ROM but now my phone has the "tampered" logo on the boot loader screen. Is there a way I can rid this of the phone? I don't care about rooting or unlock anymore. Just want to get rid of it because the phone is still new and I still want the warranty. Thanks a bunch guys for the help.
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RUU.
Even running a RUU it'll still say tampered I think.. the whole hboot thing isn't reversible till s-off..
For example, if you unlock your bootloader, and take any measure what so ever your hboot will even say re-locked
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Even running a RUU it'll still say tampered I think.. the whole hboot thing isn't reversible till s-off..
For example, if you unlock your bootloader, and take any measure what so ever your hboot will even say re-locked
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Tampered will go away after an ruu. It will always say relocked until s-off
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I am currently stuck in the bootloader. To make matters worse, I relocked to RUU and am stuck at Sending with that. I am Super CID which I think is the problem. To make matters even worse, I no longer have my unlock_code.bin file.
Is there any hope for my phone? Also, the RUU process has completely wiped my phone. Thanks for any input in advance. I have searched and searched for an answer but haven't found anything useful.
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You haven't given enough information, what are you trying to do? You could just unlock your bootloader again.
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You haven't given enough information, what are you trying to do? You could just unlock your bootloader again.
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How can I unlock my bootloader without the unlock_code.bin file? Update. I reverted back to original CID CWS__001 and am going to try and run the RUU again.
I tried to s-off my wife's phone and it screwed it up somehow (rather I screwed it up). I simply wanted to take it back to stock to start fresh and now I am stuck in the bootloader with no Rom and a locked phone.
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How can I unlock my bootloader without the unlock_code.bin file? Update. I reverted back to original CID CWS__001 and am going to try and run the RUU again.
I tried to s-off my wife's phone and it screwed it up somehow (rather I screwed it up). I simply wanted to take it back to stock to start fresh and now I am stuck in the bootloader with no Rom and a locked phone.
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You would just go to htcdev like you did in the first place and go through the unlock process again. But, you can't do that now because you just changed the CID back to CWS__001 which is blocked by htcdev. And I'm guessing you didn't succeed in getting s-off? If so, you've just used the one and only time you can change the CID without s-off to change it to a CID which is blocked, which means you have no way to unlock the bootloader again, ever. I hope your original plan was to stay stock because that's your only option now. Maybe that's for the best though, you seem to be doing things without fully comprehending what you're doing or the potential catastrophic results.
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You would just go to htcdev like you did in the first place and go through the unlock process again. But, you can't do that now because you just changed the CID back to CWS__001 which is blocked by htcdev. And I'm guessing you didn't succeed in getting s-off? If so, you've just used the one and only time you can change the CID without s-off to change it to a CID which is blocked, which means you have no way to unlock the bootloader again, ever. I hope your original plan was to stay stock because that's your only option now. Maybe that's for the best though, you seem to be doing things without fully comprehending what you're doing or the potential catastrophic results.
Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. Can I at least ruu the 3.18 now and get back to stock... That's better than bootloader I suppose. By the way, how could I have unlocked in the state I was in?
Ruu is stuck at sending for some time now.
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You would just go to htcdev like you did in the first place and go through the unlock process again. But, you can't do that now because you just changed the CID back to CWS__001 which is blocked by htcdev. And I'm guessing you didn't succeed in getting s-off? If so, you've just used the one and only time you can change the CID without s-off to change it to a CID which is blocked, which means you have no way to unlock the bootloader again, ever. I hope your original plan was to stay stock because that's your only option now. Maybe that's for the best though, you seem to be doing things without fully comprehending what you're doing or the potential catastrophic results.
Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. Can I at least ruu the 3.18 now and get back to stock... That's better than bootloader I suppose. By the way, how could I have unlocked in the state I was in?
Ruu is stuck at sending for some time now.
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If you have a locked bootloader and the correct CID there should be no harm in running the RUU. The unlock process (from memory, I could be wrong) doesn't require the phone to be booted into an os, it's all taken care of while the phone is in bootloader. That's kinda irrelevant now anyway as it isn't possible anymore.
Are you using the usb cable that came with the phone? You can try using a different usb port, usually the ones on the back of the pc tower are the best.
May I ask, how exactly do you think the s-off process screwed up the phone? It either succeeds or fails, and there should be no serious repercussions from either.
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Ever since I ran the s off process I couldn't copy anything to the sd card, I.e. to flash a new Rom. I feel like an idiot for changing the cid back now. I ran the zip for s off and I waited an hour or so and it never went throufh
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Ever since I ran the s off process I couldn't copy anything to the sd card, I.e. to flash a new Rom. I feel like an idiot for changing the cid back now. I ran the zip for s off and I waited an hour or so and it never went throufh
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It sounds to me like you might have actually done a factory reset from bootloader which corrupts the sd card. The s-off process has no ability to change the sd card. Did you have HTC drivers and adb/fastboot all installed when you tried the s-off process? That's probably why it didn't work.
The corrupted sd card might be why the RUU won't work, can you still get into TWRP recovery? If so, you can use the mount menu to mount it to your pc and format it. If not, you might seriously be in trouble. The combination of these things you've done have possibly rendered the device completely useless. If this if the case, I hope this has been a learning experience. It's really important to have a firm understanding of what you're doing (and the results and potential risks) when modifying your device. It looks like you've rushed into all this without understanding it all properly.
In any case, let me know about what I asked about above and I'll do my best to see if there's a way out of this.
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It sounds to me like you might have actually done a factory reset from bootloader which corrupts the sd card. The s-off process has no ability to change the sd card. Did you have HTC drivers and adb/fastboot all installed when you tried the s-off process? That's probably why it didn't work.
The corrupted sd card might be why the RUU won't work, can you still get into TWRP recovery? If so, you can use the mount menu to mount it to your pc and format it. If not, you might seriously be in trouble. The combination of these things you've done have possibly rendered the device completely useless. If this if the case, I hope this has been a learning experience. It's really important to have a firm understanding of what you're doing (and the results and potential risks) when modifying your device. It looks like you've rushed into all this without understanding it all properly.
In any case, let me know about what I asked about above and I'll do my best to see if there's a way out of this.
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Took your advice about the usb port. Switched it to the back and the ruu worked. Will I be able to run the root exploit again? Yes, this definitely has been a learning experience. Coupled with my lack of sleep and overall frustration I made some bad moves. Thanks for your patience and help though. Much appreciated.
And no, I could not get back into recovery after I relocked it. It would send me right back to the bootloader. Also, I did do a factory reset from the bootloader. Believe me, taking mental notes all the way here.
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Now that you have a working os, you could be able to use the exploit again to unlock the bootloader etc. Just take it slowly though, do some reading so you gain a bit of knowledge. And if you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask.
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Unlocked and rooted. Again. Thanks for your help. Leary of trying to s off again though
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Very glad to see you got it all working again. S-off might seem daunting now, but it's a pretty straight forward process as long as you follow the instructions exactly.
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Very glad to see you got it all working again. S-off might seem daunting now, but it's a pretty straight forward process as long as you follow the instructions exactly.
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Yes, I have done it before, on my One X. Not quite sure what went wrong. Maybe the issue with my wife's phone was preexisting and reared it's ugly head in the process. I have been rooting and nodding phones for years. I am not a complete noob. I am experienced in java programming and have created many interesting applications for my phone. Perhaps I should take my java knowledge and automate my s off experience.
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If you're looking for an automated method, I saw this just before. It's brand new but it looks to have some great tools incorporated. I prefer the manual method myself but many people will love this.
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If you're looking for an automated method, I saw this just before. It's brand new but it looks to have some great tools incorporated. I prefer the manual method myself but many people will love this.
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Very nice found Tim.....:thumbup:
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timmaaa said:
If you're looking for an automated method, I saw this just before. It's brand new but it looks to have some great tools incorporated. I prefer the manual method myself but many people will love this.
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Appreciate it. I don't mind working from the command line either. Could my trouble have had anything to do with being plugged into the front of the cpu, for s off that is? Was getting stuck at sending with the flash zip command.
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Appreciate it. I don't mind working from the command line either. Could my trouble have had anything to do with being plugged into the front of the cpu, for s off that is? Was getting stuck at sending with the flash zip command.
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Yeah that was probably it, try again using the rear port and it'll probably be fine.
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Yeah that was probably it, try again using the rear port and it'll probably be fine.
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Just wanted to let you know that I went through s off and all went well. Only thing I can think was the problem was that either there was a pre existing corruption on the phone, or the usb port I was using.
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It could have been anything. It's becoming more and more apparent that different things halt the process for different users. It makes it really difficult to troubleshoot when helping someone through the process. In the end you got it though which is great.
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i got this pm and i thot it was worth everyone to see. while i do not recomend turning any device s on,a verizon device that is not unlockable via htcdev is of much more importance,as the only thing that can rescue it is a new enough,signed RUU.
it really is not worth the risk,i promise.
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Hey there, Sorry to bother you with a PM like a noob, but I just have a quick question for you. I have just received a Certified like new replacement M8 from Verizon because my original one had a manufacturer defect. My original one was S-OFF, rooted, with custom recovery and the latest firmware (1.55.605.2) from Verizon. I'm trying to get it back to as close to stock as possible so Verizon doesn't try and say I modified it and mak me pay for it. I already un-rooted it, flashed stock recovery, and took the latest OTA so my radios match my software version. Then I followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708571
to re-lock the bootloader and set the lock status flag. It says locked again in fastboot.
The only thing I have left is the S-OFF that displays in fastboot. I'm trying to find a way to reset that, or at least modify it so it shows S-ON. That way if by some weird chance a Verizon employee boots it to fastboot it will show completely stock and S-ON.
Now i've found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475216 for resetting the S-OFF flag. I posted in it and asked if it would work on the M8 and nobody could give me an answer. XDA member brymaster5000 told me to ask you and that you could provide an answer.
So finally, my question is, will this fastboot command "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3" work to set my M8 back to S-ON? I know it works on the M7 but nobody can tell me for sure on the M8.
Thanks alot for your time.
Nick
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I would very strongly recommend that you do not turn s on. Phones came s off ,so leaving out that way is not an issue.
Turning s on may open a can of worms that you cannot recover from,and then you're paying for a phone for sure.
As long as your stock rom, recovery and locked you're good to go
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What do you mean phones came s-off? Verizon sent people m8s that already were s-off? It just seems like a super obvious indication that the device was modified. Your not the first person that has said that going back to s-on is a bad idea, so I will listen and not tempt fate. But iam curious, What can happen by doing that command that could cause such problems? And don't stock RUUs return you to s-on? Or do they just reset everything else but s-off?
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before any phone is released,batches are sent off to testers and these devices are always s off. i have owned several factory s off devices,and there is no way of proving the phone you have did not come this way. further, large phone resellers are able to use factory htc diagnostic files to clear security data(sim lock,s off,cid/mid),wich again is a legitimate reason a phone is s off.finding s off in the bootloader is not by any means a "super obvious" indication of having been messed with.
turning the phone s on could cause the tampered flag to reset(we dont completely understand all the things that trip it) or you could end up locked into bootloader with a security warning if the boot,system or recovery are not stock enough. either of these things ARE super obvious indicators that you have messed with it,and tried to hide it.
in the case of the security warning,the only course of action is to:
1)run a signed ruu(wich must meet many criteria since youre now s on)
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2)re-unlock the bootloader. as you know,using htcdev to unlock is not possible with vzw
an ruu does not change/update the partition where the secutity flag lives and thus will NOT turn you s on.
Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.
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Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.
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You have missed the point... If you are locked into the bootloader with a security warning and s-on, you can not use weak sauce and firewater
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People need to realize that verizon reps and techs see hundreds of phones, they don't know the details of every device. The security and bootloader status is obvious to us because it's our device and we know everything about it. To a samsung person they won't know WTF your talking about.
Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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Not really... More later
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Yes, I misinterpreted the comment as general ease of use which makes me look like an idiot given the reason for the response.... my apologies and note to self read xda after nap lol.
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Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.
scotty1223 said:
the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.
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Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.
l7777 said:
Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.
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I agree completely.
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scotty1223 said:
I agree completely.
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Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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dottat said:
Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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How do you reset tampered?
scotty1223 said:
Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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Paulb787 said:
How do you reset tampered?
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Search this forum for a thread. I'm at work, I can't link it at the moment
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scotty1223 said:
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.
nicholi2789 said:
Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.
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I didn't mean to embarrass you. They were good questions I thot everyone should read. I should have asked you,and can edit them if you wish.
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scotty1223 said:
I agree completely.
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Nah I wasn't really embarrassed. Haha. I just meant that it's slightly embarrassing that I knew so little about HTC devices, but not a big deal or anything. You were right to post it though, there is some good information there that will do lots of people good.
dottat said:
sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Definately a great rescue resource. I just want to make sure that folks understand that since it is unsigned,it will do them no good if they are s on,and stuck in bootloader with a security warning.
As you said,they must stay s off to benefit.(further supporting the point of this thread- don't turn s on)
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I was going to relock/S-On my defective M8 before returning it. I didn't have time though, and ended up just sending back only wiped and un-rooted, although I don't think /system was 100% stock. VZW sent me a text:
VZW FREE MSG: Thank You! The defective device you recently returned has been received by Verizon Wireless.
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That was several weeks ago, haven't heard a thing since. I'm assuming they didn't care it was unlocked, or they are very slow at processing the devices.