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Hi,
i recently return my samsung (4th time) galaxy s2 becouse of various defects , i been looking at the sensation however i have a few questions , firstly for all its issues i like how fast and responsive the galaxay was however when i tryed the sensation i noticed its not as smooth as the galaxy or that much smoother then the desire hd.
One possible reason for this i noticed was that the sensation uses a asmp cpu , which seems a bit cheeky to me. I mean im buying a dual core phone so i would like both cores to work at the same time as opposed to one working then the second kicking in when the first is loaded. From what ive read ics should have better support for this setup , so i was curious does anyone think we will see that much of a difference bearing in mind the sensation is asmp.
I notice there`s a lot of talented devs from the desire development and hd which is encouraging so i was hoping to learn from various users how much of a performance increase there seeing in custom roms ie is the browser jerky like stock ??
Appreciate any / all feedback thank you
I'm interested in some more more info on this topic as well.....
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ok so aSMP doesn't really work in the method of core 0 gets loaded then core 1 kicks in, thats way off.
basically SMP cpus like Tegra and Samsung's both cores run at the same speed, so core 1 follows core 0. This doesn't mean that core 1 is actually processing anything. In most cases due to gingerbread the phone is still mainly running on one core unless the app supports multicore.
aSMP allows the cores to run completely independent. This is great for battery life. Core 0 can do things like play games and stuff at full speed while core 1 handles background data.
so playing angry birds while syncing photos on flickr:
core 0 could be running at full 1.5Ghz
core 1 could be running at 500Mhz just do handle the syncing
This is basically the idea. We will get better support with ICS for full and proper support for multiple cores and the kernels will only get better as devs learn.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233103
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose
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Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
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The sensation's CPU works in a much more power efficient way, while still offering the speed of any other dual core CPU. It allows different clock speeds for different cores so applications using only a single core will be able to clock it differently to those using the other in the background. Computers, especially laptops work in a similar way, as there is a need for power efficiency. Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.
again thanks for the reply , defintly understand how this asmp buisness works more now which has given me some stuff to think about
tonnytech said:
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose
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Neither architecture, SMP or aSMP, will commit both cores to one task unless the app is multithreaded and it currently needs the use of both cores. This is the same way that multicore pc's operate. That's why when quad core CPU's first came out people said that they didn't feel any faster than comparable dual core chips - most existing apps at that time were written for single or dual threaded use so the third and fourth cores largely sat unused. The pc doesn't just force the use of the extra cores just because they are there (regardless of how they scale, aSMP or SMP).
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Also the new firmware has made it smoother due to extra optimisations. Web browser is not as good as the galaxy S 2 due that being GPU accelerated. Power wise the Sensation you will get somewhat more out of your battery life wise.
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Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.
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If you look at my thread and see the post:
MSM8x60:
Adreno 220 GPU
2x Cortex A8 Based Cores
512KB L2 Cache
45nm
upto 333Mhz LPDDR2
Exynos 4210:
Mali 400 GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
45nm
support for LPDDR2/DDR3
Tegra 2:
ULP Geforce GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
40nm
support for 600Mhz LPDDR2
So the biggest thing is is that the Exynos is based on a new core micro-arch then the Snapdragon 2, also it has the ability to support DDR3 memory. To go into more detail about ARM Cortex.
Items that A8 and A9 have in common:
Jazelle RCT for JIT Compilation
Neon SIMD Instruction Set (Optional)
Thumb2 Instruction set
VFPv3 Floating Point Unit (Optional)
Cortex A8:
Superscalar Dual-Issue Micro-Arch
2.0 DMIPS/Mhz
Cortex A9:
Out-Of-Order Superscalar Micro-Arch
2.5 DMIPS/Mhz
Jazelle DBX for Java Execution
Dual-Core Processing Built In
The SGSII has a new generation architecture as so does the Tegra
This thread is iteresting. I want to continue that.
my cpu0 and cpu1 arrive at 1,7 ghz. so cpu1 doesnt arrive up to 500 mhz
There has been a lot of internet buzz lately around new 2GB phones coming out, most specifically the LG Optimus LTE2 and the Galaxy S3. I am looking to get a new phone, but the one that has caught my eye is the Xperia GX with Sony's new CMOS sensor.
I was wondering, how is the performance of Android 4.0 with only 1GB RAM, and would the performance increase of 2GB be a significant enough difference to want one of the Korean phones? Does anyone with a current 1GB phone have any issues with performance?
I believe all of the above mentioned phones use the new Snapdragon S4 processor.
Thank you!
I think for now 2GB of RAM is a bit of a overkill, for now, unless you're running fifty apps at once. I think 1GB is plenty enough. I myself own a Galaxy Nexus and it has 1GB of RAM. It ran smoothly even with like a few apps running in the background. Really, if you wanted to run fifty apps in the background, it will kill your battery, so I guess thats the trade off with 2GB RAM.
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I think for now 2GB of RAM is a bit of a overkill, for now, unless you're running fifty apps at once. I think 1GB is plenty enough. I myself own a Galaxy Nexus and it has 1GB of RAM. It ran smoothly even with like a few apps running in the background. Really, if you wanted to run fifty apps in the background, it will kill your battery, so I guess thats the trade off with 2GB RAM.
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I don't think has talking about a nexus phone, when buying let's say an HTC evo 4G lte or galaxy3. You see left with very little ram if they were both1GB. My LTEvo is left with only 200 to 150 mb's ram left, but that's with every app I have running. Still when I'm web surfing the web sites easily ready threw the 200 mb's & more so sometimes the browser closes on me all on it's to refresh the memory I'm guessing. So yes I believe the fact that we now use higher resolution screens meaning higher resolution slings & launchers not to mention games, imo we need more RAM, not an extra gig but at least 400 mb's free. That way the launcher on the evo doesn't have to refresh everytime *really about once a week* but the 2 GB's the galaxy had is overkill but at least you won't have any of the referring the RAM every one in a while. Also to be noted in every benchmark between the galaxy3 & ltevo, the evo win's, surprisingly even in the memory I/O! In antutu benchmark & in quadrant the gs3 scores about 4780 while the ltevo scores 5000 to 5300, I peonally scored 545x... So I don't know if SG3 isusing given 2 GB's of slower ram or LTEvo is using faster RAM but it still not bring enough, all in all I will change my LTEvo do to the RAM issue that can be fixed with a simple update.
It's android or it's Windows 7 ultimate?? LOL
1 GB is just perfect.
My pc has 2.13 GHz cpu single core and 2GB ram and runs windows 7, my brother's htc one x has 1.5 ghz quad core cpu and 1gb ram for run android 4.0!
that's incredible
Android does NOT need 2gb of ram. My Galaxy Nexus runs amazing on 1gb of ram, and my Xperia Play ran ICS pretty good and it only had 512mb of ram. Right now a phone having 2gb of ram is just a marketing gimick. I can't see any of the Android releases in the near future needing 2gb of ram to be smooth. In fact Jellybean runs smoother than ICS on the same hardware, so it's getting more efficient, not less.
1GB is GOOD & 2GB is ... :good:
In theory, 1GB of RAM is lots. But I have the HTC One X (North American version) which has 1GB of RAM, and it suffers from crippled multitasking (just search Google if interested). Nobody seems to know for sure, but the general consensus on the root cause is that the HTC Sense software is a RAM hog, and therefore HTC had to modify Android to aggressively kill background apps in order to ensure that Sense performs well. I suspect that had they installed 2GB of RAM, like the Samsung Galaxy S3, the multitasking issue would not have occurred.
I have since installed an unofficial alpha build of Cyanogenmod9 on my device and it multitasks like a dream. So if you're buying an Android phone without a whole lot of bloatware, like a Galaxy Nexus, 1GB should be a lot. But if you're eyeing the HTC One X, you may want to wait for a 2GB model to come out
in future you need 2gb of memory.....
many apps and games improvement in the future......now 1gb it's still enough but in the future?? :laugh:
The more the merrier.; )
2gb is just too much for android, 1gb already runs smoothly, hell even my galaxy s1 with 512mb can run ics smoothly (true story). i think they are trowing 2gb just for people to think it's gonna be faster and smoother but that isn't the case here, though it's not going to hurt if you go for 2gb, it is just that it wont make a real difference. :laugh:
Confused, frustrated, and abandoning the platform if...
I can't find the bottleneck and get snappy performance.
I'm on a Galaxy Nexus on V. The problem is (and I'm really not looking for business advice - I'm spread too thin for major overhaul) I can't delete my SMS because, many times, it may be the ONLY reference we have for a discussion I had with a customer of what they need(ed), what I charged, when the job was completed. I realize this isn't ideal, but it's (for now) a reality.
I have a HUGE DB of SMS... over 5000. I don't install many apps... of course, I have my gmail account sync'd.
One of my slow-downs was using google-voice... however, even with it removed, it's choppy. Whether moving between home screens, loading my SMS, getting keyboard input on an SMS to respond (which sometimes takes 10 seconds to start recording keystrokes).
I know that if I deleted everything and only had a sparse amount of data (primarily SMS) it'd be faster. And for good reason... managing a DB of texts seems like a lot of data to organize. And that... I assume is controlled by RAM.
And before anyone jumps to conclusions, bare in mind, I own a tech company. There's nothing broken on the phone. It runs the same as EVERY android device I've owned. Pretty fast (generation specific) at first, then, slows down... by month 3, I dislike the phone.
Yes, each generation gets successively LESS painful -- but I have an EXTREMELY fast paced life. I always have 2-6 people waiting for my attention throughout the day... every second counts. And every delay is annoying.
Is this just fatally-flawed-android for you? Unable to deal with a large(ish) DB..? Is this a RAM issue? Is this energy saving issue? I'm currently waiting for the iPhone 5 for a larger screen. If it has one... I'm probably jumping ship. I've exhausted my attempts with android... if either RAM or JB 4.1 doesn't fix this... I give up. I need my messages.
Suggestions? Am I overlooking anything?
THanks
Well more RAM can't hurt you, but it really after all depends on the device you're getting. These days I reckon as long as it isn't below 1GB RAM for a mobile device, then it's ok. As a matter of fact that's great
If I may suggest a mobile device for you to have a good look at, this would be the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. It's google's flagship phone, it's great, mostly gets the new updates first and is very reliable and clean. It isn't hard to root at all also, and is very true to its core, with google supporting it more than any other device. I currently have a Nexus S, the one that came before it. It's great, but would really need a bump in speed, I can see myself getting a new phone in 6 months, maybe when google come out with a new mobile device.
cheers, and good luck on finding a new phone.
That IS the phone I have.
Thanks,
Truman
It sounds like you have the same problems as iphone users at http://michaelhyatt.com/speed-up-iphone.html in which case switching to iphone probably won't help.
You could use a free app to backup your texts, "sms to text" is one which could help and you can save all or selected texts to txt or csv formats which would also mean you could search quicker when needed or transfer backups to a pc.
It seems it is a smartphone issue as opposed to model specific, based on a lot of googling not my personal experience though, but backing up would allow you to access the data as needed on other platforms.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc
I'm pretty sure only the international sgs3 has a quad core... but I may be wrong on that.
As far as cpu performance goes, I prefer the tegra processors over the snapdragons. LG optimus hd has one of these in a quad core version available oversees.
This isnt about opinions though, trust the benchmark results.
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Well it really depends on what you feel. Benchmarks are pointless. only real world use matters. I would give up the quad core for the 2gb of ram the US Moslem comes with but for gaming the spores line is your best bet as those are gaming devices
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Eh same could've been said about dual core when it first popped up for us. Its more about taking advantage of the cores that's the situation. Later versions of android are surely to take full capacity of the cores as more and more phones adopt. As for the phone, the gs3 is perfect for gaming, media, browsing ect. Although its plastic, the way its shipped makes it comfortable to hold in the hand
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The best overall performance for a phone has to be the Galaxy S3. It comes with a Snapdragon S4, which is an entirely NEW architecture. That means snapdragon is half a generation ahead of the tegra 3 and exynos 4 in terms of cpu design. The only drawback of the S4 is its gpu, as it only has an adreno 225, which is a slight upgrade from it's old gpu. Otherwise the Galaxy S3 is still a powerhouse.
As for gaming, the Tegra 3 has a slight edge due to NVIDIA forming partnerships with game developers and they optimize some games to run well on the tegra 3.
http://androidandme.com/2012/05/sma...erformance-gpu-battery-life-and-web-browsing/
Overall, real-performance is the almost the same for both phones, One X and GSIII, but with a slight edge to the GSIII for its superior S4.
i think sgs3 dual core version with 2gb ram wont be released in europe i only saw in italy is quadcore with 1gb ram T_T but ithink 1g ram is still good coz my father has sgs2 ^^
so if we will base on experience sgs3 is still the best ill gonna save a bit more for that phone XD
Anything Krait is good, the S4 is a very capable chip. The quad pro version will be a beast.
Exynos is fast as well, Nvidia is better for gaming. But it also depends on how well the manufacturers optimise their software to run on the hardware.
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Xperia TX. Go for it. No TouchWiz, better camera and design. Jelly Bean almost after launch.
it is very important to know if it is quad or dual cored. If it is quad then it will run faster because there is less stress on the cpu, then if it was dual. but, honestly, i ahve been using my droid incredible for a very long time. This is a 1 GHZ single core cpu and i use it heavily. i play n64 games on it without over clocking (the max cpu is like 1134 mhz, but i set it to about 600mhz and i can play with absolutely no lag.) so, what i am saying is that it doesn't matter if it is dual or quad cored because it is fast enough already. but, i know the international version, or at least the one i saw in india when i went there for vacation is quad. i think the USA version is quad as well. and btw, i have played with it. it's a great phone. the display is beautiful. the battery life is amazing. flash a kernel on it and i think you can run for 2-3 days with light/medium use in a single charge. go get that phone!
International galaxy s3 is quad core with 1gb a ram and is 1.4ghz which can be over clocked to 1.7ghz. I have an international galaxy s3 as I am from UK.
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quad core might not be fully usable at the moment but it will get better.
the main thing is the i9300 (international version) will have far more vast support then any carrier specific models us versions.
Benchamrk results are not that important
Get the S3 because its good for gaming with bigger screen and nice comfy shape :good:
carlo242 said:
Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc
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I am also looking at getting a new phone. I am leaning towards a quadcore because I tend to have phones for a while. (Still rocking my captivate...) I figure that even though applications are not optimized for the quadcore yet, they will be in the future, which means I can make use of the phone for longer without feeling the need that I "have" to upgrade.
Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy note (1) and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
death_relic0 said:
Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy nexus and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
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mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
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mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
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thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
death_relic0 said:
thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
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Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
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Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
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thanks for the reply..Im willing to spend more but I just dont want spend money on hardware which I wont be utilizing. Id like to game on my mobile, but not dying do and dont mind if a few games dont work. Prefer gaming on my PC in any case.
Just want to confirm that all apps would work and I could run 720p videos on the pantech smoothly.
Greetings, I'm Yank. I'm a young coder which loves to develop and play games.
Last christmas I got an Asus MemoPad HD7. It is a pretty good device for its price. Its chipset is a MTK8125, it has a Quad-core CPU running at 1.2Ghz (Cortex-A7), 1GB Ram and 8GB storage. So, I rooted it and installed the superdragonpt AOSP Rom.
Well, this last days I have been wondering if it is possible to overclock its GPU, PowerVR SGX544. I saw that overclocking Galaxy S4 GPU, PowerVR SGX544MP3, is possible so I thought that it could be possible on the SGX544 too since, the differences between them are the number of cores and its clock speed (At least what I think).
Also, I found that its clock is running at 286Mhz while it should be running at, at least 300Mhz.
So yeah, is it possible to overclock SGX544MP ?
Thanks for reading.
Oh, sorry for my mistake, I didn't knew about the MTK private kernel source thingy
Well, just came to say that ASUS released its kernel source code so yeah...