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So I've been noticing that after a certain amount of use my Hero eventually slows down to the point where typing on the keyboard is frustrating because of the slow response. I did some searching and I came across this online
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
since I'm no where near the level of a dev, I figured I'd put this out there and see if anyone can make heads or tails of it, and possibly create a signed-zip so we can just use the update feature in the recovery screen to flash it to our system.
Seems legit as a fix, and apparently this was something that was a known problem with Android 1.5 that I guess has been fixed with 2.0.
Any Dev help would be hot.
Excellent. Thank you for tracking that down.
The TL;DNR explanation: Location services are causing multiple "heartbeats" on the phone all on top of each other. One guy counted as many as 253 in 5 seconds. This consumes the CPU. I will look at the patch.
Would disabling location services be a temporary fix?
kynetx said:
Would disabling location services be a temporary fix?
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Yes. We're pretty close to 2.1 though so shouldn't need more then that.
ive seen this problem too but not until recently, it lags the phone and drains the battery amazingly fast.
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Yes. We're pretty close to 2.1 though so shouldn't need more then that.
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I'm taking a wait and see approach on the 2.1 progress right now, what's there looks very promising but without the camera, accel., & (for me anyway because I do have alot of apps that i use) a2sd, I'm content with Fresh 1.0, just wanna get help get that issue solved cuz I'm sure I'm not the only one who is experiencing it.
PS: I know I said I have alot of apps, but I know that's not the cause because the same thing happened when I did a wipe and just left things "stock" with Fresh Rom 1.0 for a few days
If they got the accel and wifi tether working, I'd make the jump to 2.1, but I need the accel for work, and the wifi tether for internet.
What app can be used to show the system_server process? I use task manager but it isn't listed. I want to monitor this process.
Also, does anyone know about the patch? How Do you apply it?
1) I can't answer the first question. I just took the advice here and turned all location services off. My phone is back to its snappy self. The only way I'm really impacted by having to do this right now (I'm sure I'll use this phone for more after 2.1) is using google maps. I already kept GPS off when I wasn't using it but having to go into the settings and allow Location Setting before using gmaps is a PITA.
2) I know very little about android and ROM DEV but think the "patch" is programming code, only useful to people who know how to read and write it.
jdlumley said:
What app can be used to show the system_server process? I use task manager but it isn't listed. I want to monitor this process.
Also, does anyone know about the patch? How Do you apply it?
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RoboTop???
You can use DDMS from the Android SDK toolkit to monitor processes running on the phone. Should be able to pull up a process list from there.
Now, I'm using Locale but not with Location settings for my different profiles. I also have Location settings turned on for use with Google Maps as well as the HTC Flip Clock / Beautiful Widgets Home. Surprisingly, my system_server process is sitting at 0% right now, and the phone has been on for over a day. Both DDMS and running "top -n 1" in the adb shell confirm this. If there's much of a change over the day, I'll be sure to let you know. So, it's possible that HTC found and fixed this issue with their SenseUI CDMA 1.5 build. Unlikely, but possible.
So I was seeing this issue even with the modified services.jar from that thread. Granted I didn't test it very long and it was only maxing out at 1%, but it was enough for me to feel that it wasn't working.
I have since removed HTC's location service. After rebooting it looks as if because the phone couldn't find HTC's service anymore it installed the stock one. Time to see if it makes any difference.
with my BB for example there was an application which rebooted your phone at a custom time that u have set .. is there an application that can be used to do the same with the hero? ... reboot device while u are sleeping.. so it runs nice and quick for u the next day?
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So I was seeing this issue even with the modified services.jar from that thread. Granted I didn't test it very long and it was only maxing out at 1%, but it was enough for me to feel that it wasn't working.
I have since removed HTC's location service. After rebooting it looks as if because the phone couldn't find HTC's service anymore it installed the stock one. Time to see if it makes any difference.
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On the Fresh ROM thread I thought you said that it was using 16% previously... and is this an issue that's apparent immediately or is it something that gets worse with time?
Any chance of including the modified services.jar in the next release even if it doesn't immediately appear to make a difference? I mean, if it's not crashing things and is supposed to be an improvement, then why not stick it in there, right?
Just read nearly that entire chain of messages. now somebody (fresh, ima callin you out!) dooo eeeet!
What's the word on progress for this in Fresh ROM? I have found it to be a very significant issue for me (and apparently so has my roommate), as I use location services quite a lot. GMaps being most in particular, but some other apps as well (Aloqa, Sprint Navigation). I'm really glad there's a workaround that doesn't involve a reboot!
I looked at the other link and I have downloaded both the services.jar file and the LocationManagerService.patch. Which one should I apply and do I apply it? I am having problems with this now.
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On the Fresh ROM thread I thought you said that it was using 16% previously... and is this an issue that's apparent immediately or is it something that gets worse with time?
Any chance of including the modified services.jar in the next release even if it doesn't immediately appear to make a difference? I mean, if it's not crashing things and is supposed to be an improvement, then why not stick it in there, right?
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The bug is that it gets worse over time. I can include it for sure. I believe the reason it's not working is because our hero's code is all stored in services.odex, not services.jar. And I haven't been able to deodex that file yet. But I'll include it regardless because it can't hurt.
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Just read nearly that entire chain of messages. now somebody (fresh, ima callin you out!) dooo eeeet!
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What's the word on progress for this in Fresh ROM? I have found it to be a very significant issue for me (and apparently so has my roommate), as I use location services quite a lot. GMaps being most in particular, but some other apps as well (Aloqa, Sprint Navigation). I'm really glad there's a workaround that doesn't involve a reboot!
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I'm working on testing whether disabling HTC's location service will fix our issue. However with the release of the kitchen I was rebooting my phone non-stop. Impossible for me to know if it was working or not.
ElAguila said:
I looked at the other link and I have downloaded both the services.jar file and the LocationManagerService.patch. Which one should I apply and do I apply it? I am having problems with this now.
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The patch is designed to apply to the source, so that won't help you. The services.jar would replace the one that's already there.
turning off location has been a dramatic difference in speed. its obvious theres something to that. it would get so bad the whole phone would lag
Okay, so here is a small application I designed out of fun. Just install it on your desktop and run it, and it will give you the option to remove some bloatware from your phone. This is not 100% full proof. There are bound to be some errors with version numbers and all. Also, this will only work with the new gingerbread 4.22 base, because of the change in names of the stock apps.
Remember, your phone will need to be rooted, and connected via adb for this to work.
This is the first time I'm developing something so don't attack me if it doesn't work lol.
As with anything, I'm not responsible to anything that happens to your phone. ( Though the worst that probably can happen is that the application doesn't get removed.
Attached is the application in a zip folder.
Windows Only
sorry Linux users, maybe next time.
If you have any problems installing, go and download Microsoft Netframework.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=e5ad0459-cbcc-4b4f-97b6-fb17111cf544
Cool ill try this out and report back. Nice work
Okay cool, thanks
hopefully it's at least %100 fool proof.
Can you define what you call "bloatware" as well? I consider all Sense ROMs to be bloatware, will this app remove it and flash an AOSP ROM? -- point being is everyone defines bloatware differently. Maybe in future versions you can have checkboxes on what the app removes allowing the user to have choice.
Thanks.
Lol, yeah hopefully.
I was defining bloatware as applications that are loaded onto the phone by the carrier. So basically, almost anything Sprint related.
maybe give the users options on what they want to remove?
yeah I have included a few apps for the user's choice to remove, but I understand what you're saying. I'll definitely expand on that.
Good luck with this. I'm sure there is a need for this software, so I hope you keep it up and mature it into something useful to the XDA hordes.
Although I have none... Maybe these things as well as contributors can come up with some ideas that might have helped:
1. Kies restore via norbarb's/Kies method. This will remove root, but rerooting is 30 secs.
Root Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
Kies Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2261232
All information is in his thread, but I feel it's easier to download Kies
start it up
and then plug your phone in. Kies will do the rest.
2. Seeder from Market by Entropy512. Root Required!
Download from Market
enable lag reduction
check only 'Start automatically on boot''
select performance profile "Moderate"
Reboot your phone and check its on.
3. Disable the following:
Power Saving (This one lags the phone quite a bit on different charge levels)
Screen Mirroring
Multi Window (This one straight lags the phone period, kinda useless)
4. Android Assitant
Download from Market
Select Tools from Tabs
Select Startup Manager
Under User Tab - Kill anything you don't care about
Under System Tab (Check to Kill on Startup, will run when you start it)-
Email (I don't use it)
Exchange Services (I don't use it - for MS Exchange Servers)
Help
Internet
Maps
Facebook SNS
Talk
Youtube
Reboot the phone
5. Developer Options. (Click 7 Times on the Build Number)
Window animation scale = 0.5
Transition animation scale = 0.5
Animator duration scale = 0.5
I don't use any ATT stuff so I removed it, but I doubt this will do anything. I have everything else enabled other than listed above like air gestures blah bla bla
By all means not exhaustive and lag is based on what you have loaded.... but I just hope this helps!
If others have anything to add please do.
0.5 still gives me lag, I set it to 0 just because it feels more instant.
I still see lag in glow animations, however, so I really think there is something up with the scaling/governor of the CPU/GPU. This will likely be remedied in future optimizations, patches, and/or third-party kernels (I hope).
I also turned off Air View, Air Gesture, Smart Stay, and Smart Scroll just because a part of me feels those were unnecessarily taxing. Messaging actually seems to load faster now that I don't think it needs to track finger movements.
I'm the opposite, I have all the features turned on & animations at default 1.
What I did was frooze all AT&T apps but left Samsung Apps alone since I like to see what they have to offer. Of course, you can freeze them if you want.
DL an app called Android tuner from the Play store & went to the startup section. I unchecked all apps that I didnt want to startup.
I have done just about everything listed in the 1st post and more at least 3 times in the past 3 days..
The lag-a-thon continues..
I have not tried Seeder or Android Assist nor will I!
I am sure they are premium and top notch applications but if I need to go to that extent just make what should be one of the fastest and quickest phones on the planet (based on it's specs) work then it's time for me to return and move along...
Good luck all as the POS is heading back to AT&T.. :good: :good: :good:
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0.5 still gives me lag, I set it to 0 just because it feels more instant.
I still see lag in glow animations, however, so I really think there is something up with the scaling/governor of the CPU/GPU. This will likely be remedied in future optimizations, patches, and/or third-party kernels (I hope).
I also turned off Air View, Air Gesture, Smart Stay, and Smart Scroll just because a part of me feels those were unnecessarily taxing. Messaging actually seems to load faster now that I don't think it needs to track finger movements.
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Did you reduce to 0 on all 3 scalers like transition, animation, and animation engine(?)
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I'm the opposite, I have all the features turned on & animations at default 1.
What I did was frooze all AT&T apps but left Samsung Apps alone since I like to see what they have to offer. Of course, you can freeze them if you want.
DL an app called Android tuner from the Play store & went to the startup section. I unchecked all apps that I didnt want to startup.
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I believe you have to leave Samsung apps completely working because they are tied to the SystemUI and features.
raqball said:
I have done just about everything listed in the 1st post and more at least 3 times in the past 3 days..
The lag-a-thon continues..
I have not tried Seeder or Android Assist nor will I!
I am sure they are premium and top notch applications but if I need to go to that extent just make what should be one of the fastest and quickest phones on the planet (based on it's specs) work then it's time for me to return and move along...
Good luck all as the POS is heading back to AT&T.. :good: :good: :good:
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Wait what? Kies released the OS yesterday.... Factory reset and Kies is very different
slider2828 said:
Did you reduce to 0 on all 3 scalers like transition, animation, and animation engine(?)
I believe you have to leave Samsung apps completely working because they are tied to the SystemUI and features.
Wait what? Kies released the OS yesterday.... Factory reset and Kies is very different
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I did the Odin method twice last night and once today..
Have not tried Kies but may give it a shot later tonight before this thing gets boxed up and sent back to hell...
I doubt there will be any difference whatsoever between using Kies or Odin but hey, I will give it a try..
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I did the Odin method twice last night and once today..
Have not tried Kies but may give it a shot later tonight before this thing gets boxed up and sent back to hell...
I doubt there will be any difference whatsoever between using Kies or Odin but hey, I will give it a try..
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Sorry about the frustration, but I appreciate you giving it another try as I really am enjoying this phone coming from an Infuse 4G.
In the meanwhile, try seeder and android assistant as well.... Root is reversible anyways.... Good luck!
Seeder is not by entropy512...it relies on a thing called entropy...and most devs say its pacebo as there is no real reason why it would increase performance...this is just based of the entropy threads ive read...and I believe entropy512 was one of those people who stated it was placebo so a little irony there...however if it makes your phone run faster then use it but I never noticed any differnce with using seeder on any of my previous phones (samsung infuse, htc vivid)
Here is seeders official thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
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Its like any other program and settings done to phones. Some maybe affected some maybe not.... I through it on most my phones.... Depends what you are running I guess, but who knows... I have 2 SGS4's... One for me and my wife... She doesn't have it and I do.... Most settings are the same, i'll see... Both bought on opening date at the same time, so hard to tell hardware batch... But I will seee......
Try looking for an app that prevents apps from starting up like "android tuner" or "Rom toolbox pro".
Something else is hit power saver off and on. Power saver limits the cpu speed might be it...
sgh-i747(d2att)(sgs3) on latest cm10.1 or ultimatum
i've noticed a tiny bit of a delay when unlocking the phone and perhaps when opening SMS and the phone, but its not enough that I feel it's the same lag that a lot of people here are complaining about. I'm only basing that on the fact that there's no way i'd be THIS upset (as some of you are) based on what i'm seeing. So while there's lag, im afraid to try this stuff because it cant possibly be what you guys are experiencing unless you're all huge complainers, which I doubt :silly:
These steps can be done on any phone and are generic. I am suggesting you try it
Just a quick, simple suggestion for everyone posting their best "you should try app XYZ" on this thread and others without posting any links to them.... please take the extra 2 seconds to link the app from the Play Store - ahhh, you see what I did there! - because it makes your attempt at a helpful post actually helpful! In the thread I made about that Weather Station app, do you know how many apps that have the words "Weather Station" there are on the Play Store? Here's the current list - would be pretty mean of me if I didn't link it, right? And someone still asked me on that thread what the name of the developer was because they didn't just click the link! :silly:
My 2 cents........
I am rooted and have noticed a little bit of lag - In the past I have used an app called "LagFix" free https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5ncmlsbGVkbW9ua2V5LmxhZ2ZpeCJd
So I tried installing it - dropped my animations in Settings/Developer Options to .5 and I noticed a pretty decent improvement.
I have also have always used Android Assistant https://play.google.com/store/search?q=android+assistant&c=apps because it is such a useful APP and it helps as well.
FYI - I also froze some of the unneeded ATT Bloatware APPS but I am not sure if that had any effect or not -
I was a little dissapointed when I first got this phone because of the lag but honestly I think I have been spoiled by running custom roms for so long I got used to having little to no bloat and hi power kernels --- so, I had to bring things into perspective - can't wait to get the bootloader unlocked and some AOSP roms to flash - lol
I still love this phone despite the few minor annoyances...
So i read in another thread of some people trying a different launcher and having better results.. I just installed nova launcher and bam.. lag is completely gone. LIke.. there is ZERO lag, not even a hitch.. so maybe the problem lies in how samsung did the launcher?
The only thing that i dont like now is that I can't use the really nicely redone clock/weather widget and the fantastic briefing widget which i fell in love with on day one. Oh well, at least my phone zips now.
howtomen said:
Something else is hit power saver off and on. Power saver limits the cpu speed might be it...
sgh-i747(d2att)(sgs3) on latest cm10.1 or ultimatum
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Nice going to add to the front.
Some people are using Trickster to tweak the cores... which I have heard it works, but I get wakelocks from this,...
What kind of wakelocks are you seeing? I'm seeing very very little wakelocks using trickster. I unplugged my phone at 4:30 am this morning. 12 hours later I still have 89% battery left with very few wakelocks (kernel/partial). With 48 mins screen on. Couple of phone calls and texts.
Yeah not sure why.... I am not sure how to find these wake locks.... I would need to jump into Better battery stats to do so...
I have never had this issue on any other device with 5.0+ and wonder if it is unique to the X2
I can do any app that says start at boot up, e.g., Smart Unlock, and any autostart app, and oftentimes the service will not start at boot up
I have downloaded and tried a number of apps and utilities (about 4 init.d utilities and bootcomnand) and unfortunately no dice. "Autostart and Stay" is the latest.
Not only will the service not startup at boot, even manually started (which like Pavlov's dog I have trained myself to do), it does not "stay" ie keep the apps persistent or working in the background. Padlocking the apps (pulling down vs zooshing up in the multifinder/square box background tasks doesn't keep things executing.
This is a big hassle. I'm rooted and would do a single command line type command in boot shell pro, but don't have a command I can toss in to start the process or app and/or keep the process persistent.
Any help appreciated.
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I have never had this issue on any other device with 5.0+ and wonder if it is unique to the X2
I can do any app that says start at boot up, e.g., Smart Unlock, and any autostart app, and oftentimes the service will not start at boot up
I have downloaded and tried a number of apps and utilities (about 4 init.d utilities and bootcomnand) and unfortunately no dice. "Autostart and Stay" is the latest.
Not only will the service not startup at boot, even manually started (which like Pavlov's dog I have trained myself to do), it does not "stay" ie keep the apps persistent or working in the background. Padlocking the apps (pulling down vs zooshing up in the multifinder/square box background tasks doesn't keep things executing.
This is a big hassle. I'm rooted and would do a single command line type command in boot shell pro, but don't have a command I can toss in to start the process or app and/or keep the process persistent.
Any help appreciated.
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Go into phone manager then settings then shortcuts and add the Dropzone shortcut to your home screen. Then open the shortcut and enable everything in dropzone.
That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!
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That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!
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Let's check your energy saving level. Any level higher than lowest one makes problems with prematurely switching off apps.
Energy saving mechanizms are pretty nasty in X2. I have great issues with notifications from WhatsApp and other communicators till I switched energy saving level to the lowest.
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Let's check your energy saving level. Any level higher than lowest one makes problems with prematurely switching off apps.
Energy saving mechanizms are pretty nasty in X2. I have great issues with notifications from WhatsApp and other communicators till I switched energy saving level to the lowest.
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Thank you. I have the energy savings set to "Normal" as the next level seemed to save only 5%. I'm learning something new every day. Thank you.
I'm trying to research the wonders of dropzone. The best I can find is that it allows a small set of apps to allowing floating notifications. Doesn't really explain the ability to get autoboot things to work or other magic. I'm grateful that this and some of the protected app changes are making this androud work like it should (or like other phones) . A slight more battery drain but a worthy tradeoff for tearing my hair out.
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I'm trying to research the wonders of dropzone. The best I can find is that it allows a small set of apps to allowing floating notifications. Doesn't really explain the ability to get autoboot things to work or other magic. I'm grateful that this and some of the protected app changes are making this androud work like it should (or like other phones) . A slight more battery drain but a worthy tradeoff for tearing my hair out.
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If you don't mind losing the No Disturb mode, you can delete the whole system manager app from system/app if you're rooted and you won't ever have to deal with the permission problems again.
I'm up for that. Would that kill the app lock also? Would a Titanium freeze do the same? Guess I can give it a shot.
And… it works. App Lock just as if it didn't exist. Will keep Phone Manager frozen for now. Thanks!
And it seems much faster/smoother, which is saying something since it was snappy to begin with.
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And it seems much faster/smoother, which is saying something since it was snappy to begin with.
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Yeah when it's removed it even seems like the battery lasts a little longer. It's something I wish wasn't even included as just a task manager app would have sufficed. You can always delete the PhoneDiagnose and PowerGenieEngine as well. I can also remove them from the Super Slim KangVIP ROM as well if the majority would like that. My goal is a flashable ROM with no bloat that runs fast, gets great battery life and makes it easy for everyone. In fact, I'm going to remove them from my stock debloated ROM's and the KangVIP ROM's from now on due to the fact that a lot of us are having permission issues. I'll have three ROM's for each. A stock original bloated one, a medium debloated one with most of the Chinese apps we don't use removed but all the stock apps like Email will remain and a maximum debloated ROM and all the Huawei apps that can be removed will be.
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Yeah when it's removed it even seems like the battery lasts a little longer. It's something I wish wasn't even included as just a task manager app would have sufficed. You can always delete the PhoneDiagnose and PowerGenieEngine as well. I can also remove them from the Super Slim KangVIP ROM as well if the majority would like that. My goal is a flashable ROM with no bloat that runs fast, gets great battery life and makes it easy for everyone. In fact, I'm going to remove them from my stock debloated ROM's and the KangVIP ROM's from now on due to the fact that a lot of us are having permission issues. I'll have three ROM's for each. A stock original bloated one, a medium debloated one with most of the Chinese apps we don't use removed but all the stock apps like Email will remain and a maximum debloated ROM and all the Huawei apps that can be removed will be.
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I really think the third option, thinnest + gaps + ROM switching would be my winner. Thanks.
I could find and freeze Power Genie 5.6.1.11 to freeze but no Phone Diagnose
Ditched (froze) Swype also
Rudolpht said:
I really think the third option, thinnest + gaps + ROM switching would be my winner. Thanks.
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I updated the thread with an Ultra Slim KangVIP and SIM switching fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mediapad-x2/development/rom-kangvip-5-1-1-b108-t3215851
Cool. I have transparent weather clock back working, without phone manager nonsense. This thread has really changed my X2 experience.
Rudolpht said:
That is great advice. There are still nuances about this phone I need to explore. The nuanced nuance was I needed to have the dropzone shortcut (the service was already turned). I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep (?!?) and after that third reboot it booted the service correctly. It seems like a combo of science and mysticism. But it works & thank you!
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I'm having the same problem with some services at boot (I'm not rooted yet). I'm not sure I understand what you're explaining here. I created the shortcut to the dropzone and made sure everything was allowed in there. What do you mean by "I also had to protect it so it would run in the background during sleep"? (How do i do that?) Thanks!
AJ is the expert. Freezing phonemanager was easiest, but may require root. Search under settings (there is a search bar at the top) for "protect" services you can unprotect services that don't need to run in the background. Protect the ones you want to run, but they will use battery. May be in the phone manager app if not under setting
Thanks, I already tried that but I still don't get all the services to start at boot. Looks like rooting and freezing phonemanager is gonna be the only way... Thanks anyway for the help!
Killing phonemanager was the best thing that returned the X2 to an actual android-like device. There are a couple other services to freeze you can go through thread that also help.
Most people seem fairly happy with the stock pixel user experience, after all a main reason we purchase pixels is because of it's software.
in your experience, is there any benefit to any of the currently available custom roms that would increase performance and battery? I mean something bigger than just customisability and tinkering
I've been debating this too. I haven't rooted a device in 4 years. No real reason to anymore. I'm on the fence because I'm hoping for a true blackout theme and better animation transitions on a custom rom. Haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Performance, efficiency, and control over fast more than what Google chooses to provide.
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Performance, efficiency, and control over fast more than what Google chooses to provide.
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What roms are you referring to?
It has been scientifically proven that running custom kernels and/or roms helps to minimize E.D.
Mainly battery life. I have to charge my phone once every 1-1.5 weeks or so, vs every or every other day like most people.
*Keeping the screen brightness only as bright as you need it (i.e. not ecessively set or maxxed out--I keep mine around 1/4 maybe touch more, on the brightness slider.
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I have to charge my phone once every 1-1.5 weeks or so
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Bruh, do you even use your phone at all? What ROM makes such a huge difference for your use to extend your battery life from 1 day to over 7 days?
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What roms are you referring to?
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Literally any?
GrapheneOS gets rid of all Google Services, thus (and overall) it's a lot more privacy-focused.
Performance isn't a huge issue on Pixel devices (imo), because the ROM they come with isn't super bloated, but you can always just use LineageOS, or any other barebones ROM if you don't need any fancy features, only sleek (slick?) performance.
I have always been a fan of ResurrectionRemix/crDroid, which are filled with TONS of features. Sure, depending on who you are, you might not care for most/some of them (double tapping on statusbar to lock the screen, changing the animation of quick settings tiles when you tap on them, blinking the flashlight when you receive a call, and many, many other small things).
Nowadays, even ROMs like this aren't hogging up your performance or ruin your battery life.
Besides flashing custom ROMs, rooting is still useful for me.
Yeah, getting SafetyNet to pass can be a bit of a hassle, but in exchange I get to use ACC to prolong my battery's health, I can get rid of the navbar pill, and I can use an lsposed module to disable secure flag in my transportation app, so I can take a screenshot of my ticket (should the inspector come when there's no cellular connection (and the app doesn't properly cache the ticket, because of great programming )).
None of these are deal-breakers, but as long as there's still an option for doing these, I wouldn't want to miss out.
Radjah2001 said:
in your experience, is there any benefit to any of the currently available custom roms that would increase performance and battery? I mean something bigger than just customisability and tinkering
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Battery life and performance is pretty good as is. The stock rom on Pixels isn't super bloated, so it's not like it has much of an effect on battery or the performance of your phone. With the stock kernel I lost about 0.6% of battery every hour overnight, with MVK kernel that number got reduced to about 0.4%. Does it make a difference? Not at all.
I guess you could root and use a kernel manager to downclock the CPU to gain some extra SoT, but that's about it. If you're not much of a tinkerer, and content with your current setup, there's no real reason to switch to something else.
Lada333 said:
Bruh, do you even use your phone at all? What ROM makes such a huge difference for your use to extend your battery life from 1 day to over 7 days?
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Not really. I have no friends. <s>
I'll use it outside/on road but even then, phone conversations and internet browsing is not very much. Here and there, etc. Mostly texts or instant msgs.But calls here and there. I have it set to charge max 75% and will recharge when it gets to around 20%. Running LineageOS w/ the kernel it comes with it. Nothing fancy. I don't use any social media app (or social media or that matter), so I don't have to worry about that stuff draining the battery. WiFI and/or VPN will so I tend to keep them turned off until I need them. If I used phone more regularly, I could see myself having to recharge it maybe every 3-4 days maybe, I dunno.
Battery life can actually be worse on custom ROMs that do not have Google Play Services. When an app uses Play Svcs to handle push notifications, things like notification pushes get are managed and batched together by Play Services. If a phone does not have Play Svcs, apps that use cloud notifications may have to register their own persistent polling services which can chew up battery. And then you have to disable battery optimization for that app so it doesn't get dozed.
I've at least heard anecdotal evidence that battery life suffers on GrapheneOS because of this. Say, if you have an email client and messaging apps that require a persistent polling service to look for new messages.
Nowadays when I look up reasons to use ROMs or root, I get annoyed when articles list modules or features that serve to fix the issues that the act of making these changes cause (eg- hide root from other apps, force apps to doze, magisk bootloop saver, etc). I mean now you're spending the time managing the problem you've created for yourself. It's silly. Unless there are practical reasons to customize, I see no compelling reason to do so.
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Battery life can actually be worse on custom ROMs that do not have Google Play Services. When an app uses Play Svcs to handle push notifications, things like notification pushes get are managed and batched together by Play Services. If a phone does not have Play Svcs, apps that use cloud notifications may have to register their own persistent polling services which can chew up battery. And then you have to disable battery optimization for that app so it doesn't get dozed.
I've at least heard anecdotal evidence that battery life suffers on GrapheneOS because of this. Say, if you have an email client and messaging apps that require a persistent polling service to look for new messages.
Nowadays when I look up reasons to use ROMs or root, I get annoyed when articles list modules or features that serve to fix the issues that the act of making these changes cause (eg- hide root from other apps, force apps to doze, magisk bootloop saver, etc). I mean now you're spending the time managing the problem you've created for yourself. It's silly. Unless there are practical reasons to customize, I see no compelling reason to do so.
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Very well said. I've been thinking the same. Google does there optimizations pretty well and they have given even more options to even tinker with a lil more effecient as per your need. There's no need to go out of the way replace the whole rom. even if you do you should have a very good reason and it should have some very noticable difference that can be seen to any one... Though i always have a soft corner for the modding community. Because of their push oems are stepping up their game.
Interesting. I do have Gapps installed and regarding polling the servers, while I myself haven't had battery drain, I can definitely attest to custom roms possibly messing with polling. On my old M8 (which also had Lineage), if the phone was on standby for a long time, I would not get ANY text or IMs unless I turned on the screen, THEN I'd get a bunch of messages. Or even if the phone was on, I would have to send a text message to myself and then I'd get a bunch back from people. So, yes at least on that phone there was serious polling issues I opened myself up with.
Currently I am on the newer phone(s), which I don't experience those issues, but you are absolutely right about them.
smokejumper76 said:
if the phone was on standby for a long time, I would not get ANY text or IMs unless I turned on the screen, THEN I'd get a bunch of messages.
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I've also experienced that issue on my 3T running.. any custom ROM, basically. I think it's mostly fixed on newer ROMs though. YMMV.
Radjah2001 said:
Most people seem fairly happy with the stock pixel user experience, after all a main reason we purchase pixels is because of it's software.
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Speak for yourself. I bought pixel for the HARDWARE, and specifically the fact that it isn't crippled (locked) and is properly supported in AOSP. The factory prebuilt software is utter trash with one purpose and one purpose ONLY: To track everything you do.
In order to safely use the hardware, it is NECESSARY to wipe the spyware from it. Either build AOSP from source yourself, or use a security focused distribution like GrapheneOS.
Lada333 said:
Besides flashing custom ROMs, rooting is still useful for me.
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Add possibly Viper4Android on A13 some day and its perfect.
Safetynet / play integrity & hide root is pretty easy on stock, but did you have success on custom Roms?
My banking app doesnt even rely on Safetynet / play integrity and checks for root itself, but shamiko takes care of that, but I suspect it would detect a custom Rom and refuse to work.
An entire Rom would probably much harder to hide than just root.
G5-User7080 said:
Add possibly Viper4Android
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Never really saw the need/use for v4a.
G5-User7080 said:
Safetynet / play integrity & hide root is pretty easy on stock, but did you have success on custom Roms?
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Sure. Never had issues. Besides adding my banking apps to the DenyList, I also had to hide the Magisk app. What I've found is that some apps may look for the Magisk app being installed on your device (you don't even necessarily need to be rooted, just have Magisk installed).
Love the warped perspective a few posts up. Reminder to all on the risks of oxygen deprivation at birth
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Never really saw the need/use for v4a.
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I really hope someone finds out how to make it work on A13 soon, luckily my music app has an eq so its not like it sounds bad, but what I mostly miss is replay gain ig, when I'm outside music with a wider dynamic range is a bit of a problem, the quieter parts just drown in the outside noise.
Sure. Never had issues. Besides adding my banking apps to the DenyList, I also had to hide the Magisk app. What I've found is that some apps may look for the Magisk app being installed on your device (you don't even necessarily need to be rooted, just have Magisk installed).
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yes, mine do, hideMyApplist takes care of that, for some reason when I hide magisk App, it gets picket up by AppListDetector (well not by my banking app at least).
I kinda wanna try a custom ROM but flashing an entire new ROM is a lot scarier than just rooting stock, like some apps might not be working cause they rely on google services etc, maybe when I buy a new phone in a few years and this one doesnt get updates anymore I could try that.
DB126 said:
Love the warped perspective a few posts up. Reminder to all on the risks of oxygen deprivation at birth
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With all the scandals involving big tech all the time, do you really wonder why people distrust google & co?
In the end it's probably never as bad as you fear and never as good as you hope.
A13 has some nice privacy protecting features built in, like Android System Intelligence all happens on device, then again, gboard, google app, etc don't, ig u get a little bit of everything.
You can never be completely private, and for that reason some of my friends say "Well then it doesn't matter anyway, just know everything about me idc" and some others be like "ill just stop using all their services alltogether"
In the end everyone can do what they want cant they?
G5-User7080 said:
like some apps might not be working cause they rely on google services etc
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um, so?
Even if the ROM of your choice doesn't come with GApps preinstalled, you can always just sideload MindTheGapps.