Hi Guys!
Just wanted to introduce myself and ask a bunch of n00bish questions.
I recently acquired an HTC One X on Rogers for dirt cheap (basically $0) and this is my first Android phone having used an iPhone for the past few years. I'm not completely lost around ROMs having cut my teeth on windows mobile phones right here on xda-devs years ago but my iPhone took me away for a number of years.
I've gone through as much of the existing FAQs and help threads as I could but I have a few questions I couldn't find the answers for: Hopefully these are simple enough for the folks here!
1) My HOX out of the box is running FW version 1.73, Android 4.0.3. I see there's some bootloader unlocking issues with AT&T HOX's with FW 1.85 and 2.2 and above. Do these restrictions not apply to the Rogers HOX? Is there a point i should be worried about not having an unlockable bootloader?
2) My ultimate goal is to get a maintainable ROM where I can easily get OS updates without having to manually reload any custom settings or apps. Being an Android n00b, I consistently hear about Cyanogenmod ROMs. Can I jump from my current Stock ROM straight to Cyanogenmod 10.1 JB? or do I have to do something in between?
3) Are there other community ROMs that's better for the HOX than CM? I'm looking for a plain jane out of box experience. I really love how the iPhone works really really great out of the box without any huge amount of setting changes. And that's what I strived for with my old windows mobile device ROMs.
4) Yay or Nay on HTC Sense?
5) Yay or Nay on Staying on the Stock Rogers ROMs (I think the JB update is available now).
6) If I elect to do all the OTA updates, is there something I should avoid like a permanent locked bootloader version or something like that?
7) If I install all the OTA updates and eventually end up on the Rogers JB rom (I assume it's a bunch of incremental updates since auto updates shows I have update 1.93 which isn't the JB rom), can I revert back to the 4.0.3 rom?
I think that's it for now... Sorry for the long list. it definitely grew as I typed it!
Thanks a tonne! I know how great a resource xda-devs was and is. Can't wait to get into all of this again. !
Rogers does not lock down bootloader. You should be fine.
As for sense or aosp it just depends on preference.
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Venomtester said:
Rogers does not lock down bootloader. You should be fine.
As for sense or aosp it just depends on preference.
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apologies for my probing questions as I'm trying to flesh out the dependencies of everything...
Does the rogers HOX need to be s-off'd when flashing custom ROMs.
How do OTA updates work? Do they only apply to a certain kind of stock ROMs? Do custom ROMs have OTA updates?
thanks,
Depending on hboot yes s-off is preferred because it makes flashing easier. You will not have to flash boot image seperately. Some custom roms have ota built in so that you are notified of a new version. Once you start the unlock process it is wise to never take an ota update for stock Rom. Aosp such as Avatar and Sense based Viperxl both can be ota updated. There are more. It will usaully state these capabilities on the page.
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Depending on hboot yes s-off is preferred because it makes flashing easier. You will not have to flash boot image seperately. Some custom roms have ota built in so that you are notified of a new version. Once you start the unlock process it is wise to never take an ota update for stock Rom. Aosp such as Avatar and Sense based Viperxl both can be ota updated. There are more. It will usaully state these capabilities on the page.
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When you say I shouldn't take an OTA update after unlocking the bootloader, why is that?
Let's say I unlock the bootloader, but keep the stock rogers ROM and OTA update it. These are just OS updates right? they shouldn't touch the bootloader or do they?
Also, if the Rogers Bootloader is not locked down, then do I even need to unlock it? or do you guys mean it's unlockABLE and still needs to be unlocked?
Does rooting also make a device not OTA'able?
Finally, how are the bootloaders tied to the FW version and to the OS version? Coming from an iPhone, there was the baseband/Radio FW and OS versions, and sometimes a specific hardware version, but that's it. what's the heirarchy for the bootloader and the FW, and the OS?
finally, if there's a good resource that answers a lot of these "android rom 101" questions, please send along a link. I know you guys are busy!
Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37665520
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40223035
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Thanks venomtester, I was just on those pages when I went to check for your reply.. =)
For a general question to the Rogers HOX folks...
just wanted to confirm the following workflow:
1) unlock my rogers HOX with htcdev unlock process
2) get root by running superboot r2
2) run facepalm to s-off my HOX
4) pick a ROM and flash!
That sound about right? I'm not missing anything obvious? I'm not entirely sure if the tools like superboot r2 and facepalm have been superceded by other tools. Especially with all the AT&T specific processes...
This certainly is a few more steps than I'm used to from my Windows Mobile days... =)
Thanks again,
mr_yellow said:
Thanks venomtester, I was just on those pages when I went to check for your reply.. =)
For a general question to the Rogers HOX folks...
just wanted to confirm the following workflow:
1) unlock my rogers HOX with htcdev unlock process
2) get root by running superboot r2
2) run facepalm to s-off my HOX
4) pick a ROM and flash!
That sound about right? I'm not missing anything obvious? I'm not entirely sure if the tools like superboot r2 and facepalm have been superceded by other tools. Especially with all the AT&T specific processes...
This certainly is a few more steps than I'm used to from my Windows Mobile days... =)
Thanks again,
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Step 2 should be flash TWRP 2.3.x.x no need for superboot r2?... not sure what that is.
And you'll need to flash a rooted rom before S-OFF or let TWRP root your rom if your hboot is under 2.14
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Deleted. Sorry ex ad. Didn't see your post.
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Lol, I don't care if other people answer too, so long as they're not answering with the wrong info. There's a few of us so it's hard to coordinate Didn't mean to jack your helping
Oh no sir. You didn't jack at all as I was going to quote your earlier post from a different thread.
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Thanks again guys!
Venomtester said:
Rogers does not lock down bootloader. You should be fine.
As for sense or aosp it just depends on preference.
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My two Rogers one x handsets came with lock bootloaders. I just unlocked my second on on Saturday.
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What he was saying is they can be unlocked without having to change the cid which is what us with att phones have to do
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I am on my way to go and buy two At&t One x. They are currently still running 1.73 thankfully. Im not new to rooting or anything, just this device. My question is since its still on 1.73 should I unlock bootloader via HTC Dev, and will this mean i can always run a custom recovery and ROMS going forward?
Example: if bootloader is unlocked, can I then update a device to the most current (2.2 i believe) and still be able to have a custom recovery therefore run the ROM of my choice and even revert back to stock at will?
My goal is to keep it flexible and not lock myself out of an option because of an update. One of the devices is for my neice so I want her running stock for now, but would unlock the bootloader just as a safety net and to futureproof the device if we run some JB roms for her, or CM10. Any help would be greatly appreciate.
Im coming from a Nexus so Im not used to looking for exploits to run a ROM, well not since the EVO days. Thanks a plenty!
Honestly I wouldn't ever run the update on the phone. No reason to risk it as you can download the stock roms (or CleanROM) from the developers section and just flash it normally. This would be the most flexible.
Having said that, maybe someone else can chime in and answer your questions initial questions. I don't really know the answer.
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Your lucky use one of the one click root methods there's some on xDA or some that I can givenu a link too.... Than go on to unlocked boot loader ...honestly of u want her to be stock put her on clean rom.
So you're saying I should root first and not use HTC boot loader unlock tool? I'm still trying to search for the answer to my questions as well. What's the best root method? I honestly would like to have a custom recovery, unlocked boot loader, and running stock 4.0.4 or better just to try it out first. Then find a good Rom . Any suggestions?
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So you're saying I should root first and not use HTC boot loader unlock tool? I'm still trying to search for the answer to my questions as well. What's the best root method? I honestly would like to have a custom recovery, unlocked boot loader, and running stock 4.0.4 or better just to try it out first. Then find a good Rom . Any suggestions?
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I would unlock your boot loader. Flash teamwin recovery project, and then flash a STOCK ROOTED rom, whether it be sense or cleanrom. This will remove the ota feature so you don't accidentally update your hboot
Using the HTC boot loader unlock method is fine, if you don't mind your warranty being void. If not try the manual version. All of these tutorials are available in the android development section.
Once your boot loader is unlocked you are good to go. Just DO NOT RUU to 2.20 or you will not be able to flash kernels and radios.
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So even with an unlocked boot loader if I ota to 2.2 I'm screwed? Got it. So any suggestion on the best stock ROM and then a Jelly Bean ROM? Do the one click root methods work the best?
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So even with an unlocked boot loader if I ota to 2.2 I'm screwed? Got it. So any suggestion on the best stock ROM and then a Jelly Bean ROM? Do the one click root methods work the best?
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I was able to one click mine, however some users report they cannot use the one click method, but manual works for them.
Yes, never ruu to 2.20, even with an unlocked boot loader it will screw you over. If you ruu to 2.20 without supercid then you are just Sol completely.
As for stock ROMs, go try out Team Venoms ViperXL. Make sure you download "HTC One XL" and not "HTC One X" they are 2 different phones and flashing anything made for the One X will brick your One XL.
When it comes to jellybean, I am on MIUI because I like the iOS aspect of it. I still am a fan of Cyanogenmod, since that was the first aftermarket firmware I have used. So I would recommend CM10 unless you want a little more customization, then go with AOKP. I have never tried paranoid android, but it is a combination of CM10 and tablet display modes.
The One XL is codenamed "Evita" and the One X is codenamed "endeavour"
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Are these ROMs fully functioning? Camera is important for me. I thought that CM10 wasn't quite there yet but I'm definitely going to check some of these out. I don't have a computer here so I can't do anything yet. Its killing me! Thanks again for all the suggestions, Ill take all the help I can get!
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TheIowaKid said:
Are these ROMs fully functioning? Camera is important for me. I thought that CM10 wasn't quite there yet but I'm definitely going to check some of these out. I don't have a computer here so I can't do anything yet. Its killing me! Thanks again for all the suggestions, Ill take all the help I can get!
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Many of the sense ROMs are flawless.
The AOSP (Jellybean) ROMs are pretty stable, and camera does work on them.
CM10 is still in Nightly, but I think it'll be reaching a stable build soon.
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As for stock ROMs, go try out Team Venoms ViperXL.
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With a huge amount of awesome mods and customization options, I do not consider ViperXL to be a "stock ROM". Sense based, yes.
If the OP wants to stay strictly stock, there are flashable, pre-rooted versions of the most of the stock AT&T firmware versions.
But I think your point is a good one, that some of the custom ROMs build off of stock, while adding some optimizations and useful features, while keeping the stability of a stock ROM.
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So even with an unlocked boot loader if I ota to 2.2 I'm screwed?
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The 2.20 hboot plugs the whole by which kernels and radios can be flashed via recovery. So flashing the kernel/boot.img requires flashing separately using adb every time you flash a ROM. Not sure about radios.
Really, there is no benefit to updating officially either by RUU or OTA. You gain nothing, and lose ability to flash kernel and radios via recovery.
Be sure to check out the index of all the resources (sticky at the top of the Development forum): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
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With a huge amount of awesome mods and customization options, I do not consider ViperXL to be a "stock ROM". Sense based, yes.
If the OP wants to stay strictly stock, there are flashable, pre-rooted versions of the most of the stock AT&T firmware versions.
But I think your point is a good one, that some of the custom ROMs build off of stock, while adding some optimizations and useful features, while keeping the stability of a stock ROM.
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The 2.20 hboot plugs the whole by which kernels and radios can be flashed via recovery. So flashing the kernel/boot.img requires flashing separately using adb every time you flash a ROM. Not sure about radios.
Really, there is no benefit to updating officially either by RUU or OTA. You gain nothing, and lose ability to flash kernel and radios via recovery.
Be sure to check out the index of all the resources (sticky at the top of the Development forum): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
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Heh, I meant stock as in "sense based"
You know what I meant (I hope),
But he might not have, thanks for pointing that out
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Yeah I knew what you meant! Like I said, not new to rooting and ROMs just knew to this device. Thanks again for the heads up on that thread. I'm going ROM crazy tonight once I root.
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As said before - root, unlock bl, flash recovery and flash a rom, be it stock rooted or custom.
Don't update to 2.20 OTA.
Quick question but maybe off topic. Is the screenshot to MMS problem fixed with custom ROMs? I noticed that if I send a screen shot via MMS its so small the recipient can't see it. Maybe a bug just on 1.73? Annoying none the less!
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TheIowaKid said:
Quick question but maybe off topic. Is the screenshot to MMS problem fixed with custom ROMs? I noticed that if I send a screen shot via MMS its so small the recipient can't see it. Maybe a bug just on 1.73? Annoying none the less!
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Can't answer that.. I can't send or receive MMS even though I have service and 4G LTE
But I don't think its an issue on AOSP
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Sounds more like an APN issue in your case. I'd double check your APN or even delete and set it up again.
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Hi so I have an unlocked htc one x, previously from telus (just guessing because I have the app house app) my software version is as seen above 1.91.661.4 and kernel is:
3.08-01163-g093fcd8
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is this version rootable? And if so, would someone with the same specs be able to confirm?
Any OneX from Canada, can be boot loader unlocked through Htcdev.com
Then after reading, much reading go unlock boot loader then read about TWRP, not cwm.
Then when you're done there, all the custom Rom goodness awaits you.
I don't have links to threads for you sorry, you will have to search or wait for one the forum gurus to post up some.
I hope that helps a little for your peace of mind.
WR
WR
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WarRaven said:
Any OneX from Canada, can be boot loader unlocked through Htcdev.com
Then after reading, much reading go unlock boot loader then read about TWRP, not cwm.
Then when you're done there, all the custom Rom goodness awaits you.
I don't have links to threads for you sorry, you will have to search or wait for one the forum gurus to post up some.
I hope that helps a little for your peace of mind.
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Hey, thanks for the reply. I am confused as to what 'TWRP' and 'cwm' are though, could you elaborate?
They are in short, custom recoveries for flashing custom roms an much more.
Do not use cwm, use twrp, cwm can cause issues.
Team win recovery project I believe is name.
WR
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Just to be clear somethings up. The 1.91 rom from Rogers can't be rooted.
The bright side is that just like all the other carriers with the exception of AT&T, Rogers has no problem with us unlocking the bootloader through HTC and installing custom roms.
You need to go to the HTC Dev website and follow the instructions for unlocking the bootloader. Once that is done, come to the development section here on XDA and following the instructions to install TWRP.
After that you are free to install any rom for the ONE XL. Just make sure that the rom you are installing is for the Evita model.
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Just to be clear somethings up. The 1.91 rom from Rogers can't be rooted.
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I see the Telus guide here basically says to unlock the bootloader, install custom recovery, and install a rooted ROM to achieve root.
Is it possible to flash SuperSU to the phone, once you have the bootloader unlocked and custom recovery installed? For instance, if somebody wants root, but to otherwise stay stock?
Don't have any experience with the Telus version, just wondering.
So I noticed on the htcdev website, there is no item in the list for HTC One X. Which one am I supposed to pick?
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So I noticed on the htcdev website, there is no item in the list for HTC One X. Which one am I supposed to pick?
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At bottom of that list at htcdev, pick other.
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Ok so I unlocked the bootloader by following the instructions from HTC's website. But is there a proven method to root the 1.91 telus firmware?
Dan, sorry I never bothered to try an root my stock Rom, I installed a custom Rom immediately after using goomanager to install twrp recovery.
Never backed up original Rom, never going back and want the space for back ups of different custom roms so I can flash back an forth easier with what little sd storage space we have.
If you want root for it, may have to dig in forums a little deeper..My suggestion is try Cleanrom V, close to stock an very clean an smooth as a daily driver.
(Cm10 too once they get Nightlies working again for full on senseless fun)
Cheers
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Ok so I unlocked the bootloader by following the instructions from HTC's website. But is there a proven method to root the 1.91 telus firmware?
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From everything I've read, the accepted method for your phone is to flash a custom ROM, or pre-rooted stock ROM to achieve root.
Hmm so I can simply install TWRP recovery and then flash the rom? I would be happy with that
I am confused as to how to install TWRP recovery without having root access. Could someone explain to me how to install it on my phone I have unlocked bootloader and that is it so far.
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Ok so I unlocked the bootloader by following the instructions from HTC's website. But is there a proven method to root the 1.91 telus firmware?
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If you flash the SuperSU zip from your recovery you can have a rooted 1.91 Telus ROM. But why would you want to? Just install a stock-ish ROM like CleanROM, ViperXL, or Calkulin's One XL ROM, they're much better than stock.
I would if I knew how....
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Well i have the Rogers One X and i was new into rooting too a month ago
just do the things they mentioned above and you are good
Okay let me explain once more, I installed goomanager but apparently it doesn't work unless your phone is rooted. I install the open recovery script and nothing seems to happen. I do not have TWRP on my phone. And I am not entirely sure as to how I am supposed to get it
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My brother recently got an HTC one x and I wanted to unlock his bootloader, root it and install a custom Rom for him bit am a little insure of the proper steps. I have a one s and am very familiar with abd and using twrp. A one click would be great.
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Fredfly said:
My brother recently got an HTC one x and I wanted to unlock his bootloader, root it and install a custom Rom for him bit am a little insure of the proper steps. I have a one s and am very familiar with abd and using twrp. A one click would be great.
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Well I got up today proud of myself for having made the decision to go ahead and root my AT&T HOX.
I have a 32 gig 10 inch Toshiba Thrive that is rooted running ICS. Then I discover there are several HOX models....and several firmwares.With sweaty palms I swiped one finger down and shaking almost too much to hit ABOUT scrolled on to the bitter truth of 2.20.502.7...
This phone cannot be rooted.
Now I must try to gather myself and use the technique I am lacking the most in.... Patience.
So Fredfly, I'm sure someone here can tell you better than I but as far as I can judge if your bro's firmware is like or higher than mine just take a number and have a seat.
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I'm in the same boat Jonathan... just got mine this week and it's 2.2. Does anyone know if there is anyone working on rooting 2.2?
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I'm in the same boat Jonathan... just got mine this week and it's 2.2. Does anyone know if there is anyone working on rooting 2.2?
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People are working on it but that doesn't mean it will ever be cracked. We can only hope.
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Gingerbrake worked on an LG optimus v running 2.2.1 and 2.2.2
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Fredfly said:
My brother recently got an HTC one x and I wanted to unlock his bootloader, root it and install a custom Rom for him bit am a little insure of the proper steps. I have a one s and am very familiar with abd and using twrp. A one click would be great.
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What version of the HOX do you have? The AT&T version? If the firmware is below 2.20, then you have a plethora of methods you can use if you simply look in the dev section. If you're so inclined, you can use the guide that I wrote for the Telus version in my signature. The attached software should work for the AT&T as well as the Telus and Rogers versions as well.
If you got your one X from Rogers then you're fine. First go to htcdev.com to unlock the bootloader. Then flash TWRP recovery (evita version) . Then put the zip file for a custom rom into the sdcard, boot into TWRP recovery, and install it. Then do a factory reset from TWRP and reboot. As a first rom to try, I recommend CleanROM or VIPER XL.
Hey guys thanks for the advice. I looked at HTC dev and its exactly the same as the one s. I checked my brother's firmware this weekend and its 1.8... I will attempt to root and unlock this weekend. Also thanks for the Rom recommendations. I will probably put viper on his phone as I am familiar with the venom team and know they do great work.
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So Fredfly, I'm sure someone here can tell you better than I but as far as I can judge if your bro's firmware is like or higher than mine just take a number and have a seat.
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Its not firmware 2.20 and above. Its only firmware 2.20 that is unrootable (at this time). Its all about AT&T. Every other carrier is allowing the bootloader to be unlocked via HTCDev.com.
There have been a few version numbers higher than 2.20 (2.23, 2.29, 2.33). AFAIK, they can all be bootloader unlocked.
Does anybody have AT&T stock 2.20 nandroid backup? I'm trying to make my phone complete stock for a reason. I cannot flash RUU, because previously I flashed Asian 2.42 RUU, and that's why its not letting me to downgrade even with super cid. Backup would be appreciated if anybody can provide it.
Thanks in advance.
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Nandroid is not going to return you to stock like an RUU would. You would still be rooted and have custom recovery.
What you are asking for would not really have any different result than flashing a stock rooted ROM, so you can do that, if you just want to get the ROM back to stock.
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Nandroid is not going to return you to stock like an RUU would. You would still be rooted and have custom recovery.
What you are asking for would not really have any different result than flashing a stock rooted ROM, so you can do that, if you just want to get the ROM back to stock.
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To be more specific, I want complete stock, non rooted, odexed and with AT&T bloatware backup, that some people my have as a backup.
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kaiser347 said:
To be more specific, I want complete stock, non rooted, odexed and with AT&T bloatware backup, that some people my have as a backup.
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No one is going to give you their nandroid, since that would have all their personal settings and Google password.
The 2.20 AT&T RUU should work. Are you sure you've got HTC sync installed?
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No one is going to give you their nandroid, since that would have all their personal settings and Google password.
The 2.20 AT&T RUU should work. Are you sure you've got HTC sync installed?
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I'm not noob, and I pretty sure know how to run RUU. I have all the drivers installed. And currently running JB custom ROM on 2.42 ICS firmware with 1.14 bootloader. I can not run AT&T 2.20 RUU, because I will getting bootloader error. You will have same problem if you run different region RUUs with newer firmware. I don't want personal information. Some people may have clean stock nandroid without any personal stuff.
I had the same problem with my ONE S and there were people who had such nandroids, and they did help me with it.
That's why we call it community. We try to help each other as much as we can.
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I'm not noob, and I pretty sure know how to run RUU. I have all the drivers installed.
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Relax man. He's asking for the easy stuff first, since the best solution is very often the easiest one. Better to ask the seemingly 'obvious' question right off the bat, rather than go down some complicated road needlessly.
Re-installing HTC Sync fixes up the issue for the huge majority of people with RUU errors. Not in your case, as you are correct that trying to run the RUU with a lower hboot version number that what is already installed, will cause it to fail. But he is just trying to be helpful.
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Relax man. He's asking for the easy stuff first, since the best solution is very often the easiest one. Better to ask the seemingly 'obvious' question right off the bat, rather than go down some complicated road needlessly.
Re-installing HTC Sync fixes up the issue for the huge majority of people with RUU errors. Not in your case, as you are correct that trying to run the RUU with a lower hboot version number that what is already installed, will cause it to fail. But he is just trying to be helpful.
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I'm relaxed, thank you for understanding me. The reason for this request is that there might be, and its might be an update from At&t in a future eventually. I'm just trying to be prepared for this, because I can not run 2.20 RUU and the only way to get this future update would be from a system setting. I like clean stock, rooted Rom with all the unneeded apps uninstalled. Once I got the update I can just unlock the bootloader and root it and install insecure kernel along.
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Here is a ruu link, hope it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
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I didnt't realize 2.42 contained an updated hboot. That would obviously prevent running an earlier ruu. Sorry for the confusion.
iElvis said:
I didnt't realize 2.42 contained an updated hboot. That would obviously prevent running an earlier ruu. Sorry for the confusion.
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It seems hboot is the same 1.14 in both 2.20 and 2.42 RUUs. I think with the latter some other partitions were updated as well, which prevent downgrading.
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DESERT.TECH said:
Here is a ruu link, hope it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
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Thank you for the link. I do have a RUU. But can not install.
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If, and I mean if ATT ever updates to 4.1 would I be able to load that if I choose or would I
have to re-lock??
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as long as you stay on the stock room you should get the OTA update. Issue though is, you might lose root and possibly your unlock
trevorb21 said:
If, and I mean if ATT ever updates to 4.1 would I be able to load that if I choose or would I
have to re-lock??
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If you're going to root and unlock, you should forget about OTAs. You may get one, but taking it when you're rooted can brick your phone. There's no need to take one anyway, since pre-rooted versions usually show up in the Development section that day.
If your CID is 11111111 and you take the OTA, your phone will most likely brick.. so avoid it
Thanks all... actually went back to CM 10 last night. I had relocked and everything hoping for an update someday but I couldn't help it and had to go back to Cm. Battery life seems much better on the latest nightly compared to the stable version.
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If a rooted / hboot 1.14 bootloader unlocked phone with super CID is unable to take an OTA without bricking, how does one get a new radio, wifi firmware, etc.? Please don't say downgrading hboot, because I am already familiar with that somewhat dangerous approach. Others are suggesting that if one's bootloader is relocked and a stock ruu flashed, OTAs are safe. Is this not true?
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tlazarus said:
If a rooted / hboot 1.14 bootloader unlocked phone with super CID is unable to take an OTA without bricking, how does one get a new radio, wifi firmware, etc.? Please don't say downgrading hboot, because I am already familiar with that somewhat dangerous approach. Others are suggesting that if one's bootloader is relocked and a stock ruu flashed, OTAs are safe. Is this not true?
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I bricked after relocking and running ruu but to be fair I downgraded my hboot to 1.09 and am not sure if that had anything to do with it.. good luck..dunno why you would want the ota anyway.
It is not that I necessarily want the OTA. I am concerned that an important radio update will come along, or something else that requires a full ruu, and I will be SOL. This HTC thing is driving me crazy - my Atrix was so easy to work with. I have yet to see a jb ROM that was 100% stable for 100% of people, so not having the option of using a stock ruu if it is available scares me.
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It is not that I necessarily want the OTA. I am concerned that an important radio update will come along, or something else that requires a full ruu, and I will be SOL. This HTC thing is driving me crazy - my Atrix was so easy to work with. I have yet to see a jb ROM that was 100% stable for 100% of people, so not having the option of using a stock ruu if it is available scares me.
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I have noticed that typically when things are not stable right away for me it was a bad download or just a bad flash. A stock based ROM like viper has always been stable for me and am currently using paranoid android also perfectly stable. In any case, once the source for the ota is released devs will most likely use that as a base for their next upgrades so I really wouldn't worry about it.
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If your CID is 11111111 and you take the OTA, your phone will most likely brick.. so avoid it
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My CID is 11111111 and I have taken many OTA's. I have switched and changed ROM's and reRUU'ed many times. From Hong Kong to German to Telstra. Taking OTA's all over the place. I would say my phone has at least done 8 official HTC OTA's.
Not once has it bricked.
Is it some check AT&T ROM's do?
Personally I have found unlocked bootloader and supercid do not effect an OTA. Modifications to /system are more likely to be troublesome. They are likely to be lost or could even make the update fail.
See, this is exactly why I can't necessarily trust much of what I hear about the HOX. I wish the official resources thread would answer this, and the answer woud be provided by experienced HOX devs.
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See, this is exactly why I can't necessarily trust much of what I hear about the HOX. I wish the official resources thread would answer this, and the answer woud be provided by experienced HOX devs.
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You're just unintelligent...
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See, this is exactly why I can't necessarily trust much of what I hear about the HOX. I wish the official resources thread would answer this, and the answer woud be provided by experienced HOX devs.
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Trust at&t they know what's best for your type
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954wrecker said:
Trust at&t they know what's best for your type
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Wow - you guys are so helpful. What exactly is my type? Someone who knows enough about hardware to believe that there is more than just front end changes included in some OTA/RUU updates? Turge had to include a wifi update to make Viper stable for some people. I am sure you two knew exactly what the problem was as soon as the ROM came out, including all of the necessary changes, the partitions involved, etc. You've pretty much just proved you are idiots if you believe that there is nothing else included in an RUU other than system and hboot updates.
Oh, and thanks for making me miss the Atrix forum some more. The people were actually nice there. I didn't realize that I should check out the XDA forums before buying a phone - the Nexus folks can't be any worse than you two.
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Wow - you guys are so helpful. What exactly is my type? Someone who knows enough about hardware to believe that there is more than just front end changes included in some OTA/RUU updates? Turge had to include a wifi update to make Viper stable for some people. I am sure you two knew exactly what the problem was as soon as the ROM came out, including all of the necessary changes, the partitions involved, etc. You've pretty much just proved you are idiots if you believe that there is nothing else included in an RUU other than system and hboot updates.
Oh, and thanks for making me miss the Atrix forum some more. The people were actually nice there. I didn't realize that I should check out the XDA forums before buying a phone - the Nexus folks can't be any worse than you two.
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Thank you for giving me a good laugh... The forums being kind and your intelligence level are directly proportional...because you're a stuck up noob you are getting the treatment you deserve...and your type is for the iPhone or better yet a flip phone from a couple years back you won't have to worry about software changes on that...I'm still kind curious what you're trying to get at? I'm a bit confused how you're comparing hardware and ruu and ota
Okay, really not sure how I am a stuck up noob. Or unintelligent, as I am perfectly capable of reading lots of threads where people who seem to know what they are talking about argue over one's ability to go back to stock using a RUU. I was merely looking for confirmation from more than one person that I could go back to stock using a RUU and then apply the OTA if necessary. My point was simply that if something came out that was not possible to implement via a ROM - i.e. a radio update, I wanted the ability to flash it. Without downgrading hboot, it appears that anyone with hboot 1.14 is STUCK WITH THEIR PRESENT RADIO. There is conflicting info out there regarding one's ability to go back to stock using an RUU and then apply the OTA in the future, and I was merely trying to confirm that this was possible. If you look in this thread, you will see one person say it is perfectly safe, and another that it will brick the phone. Care to decide who is right? I generally like to get a few opinions before I task a risk, but apparently you don't get that. It is a perfectly reasonable question.
Here's a straight answer.... That's a bit risky going back to stock through ruu than applying an ota I've seen many people brick that way idk if it's just because the cid is 11111111 or whatever but there's something in the system that the ota doesn't like and than rejects..though I do not see the point of doing an ota esepcially many involve huge security updates ie hboot as you stated which will probably result in no root. . I can confidently assure you att will bring out a new nazi hboot out with the jb update too...so my advice would be to stick to non stock and enjoy
Thanks - I appreciate the response. Still a bit concerned about being stuck on my present radio, but perhaps that will get resolved in the future. Have a great weekend.
I'm sire your aware but you can downgrade hboot
Thanks, yes. I've read the entire downgrade thread a few times. It appears that more than one person has bricked their phone, and that isn't a risk I can take right now.