To Root? Or to unlock the Bootloader? - Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'm on the latest official OTA of 4.2.1
Do I need to unlock the bootloader to root?
I read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2187982
and I'm still not sure whats happening... Do I need to downgrade to root, and do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash TWRP?
I know a bit of what I'm doing as I have rooted and flashed roms on an htc desire and a samsung s2x (t989).
On 4.2.1 theres the occasional hiccup and freezes when I use chrome... Is this still an issue in the custom roms? Also my Settings app crashes when I try to load the "Running" tab in the apps section of settings lol
Can someone point me in the right direct?

Chris9446 said:
I'm on the latest official OTA of 4.2.1
Do I need to unlock the bootloader to root?
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Well, you have two basic options:
Get root without unlocking.
That is good, if you want to stick with stock ROM, but want to run Apps that need root access.
Or if you don't want to unlock for any reason.
More details in this thread: [JB ROOT] motochopper works! (Root JB 4.1.1 & 4.2.1 with locked bootloader!)
Unlock and install the patched TWRP for -4.2.
This will allow you to root stock ROM easily or you can install custom ROMs.
Be careful: You have the boot loader 4.2, which means you need to pick the patched TWRP for that boot loader and you need to pick one of the ROMs supporting the 4.2 boot loader.
People have bricked their TF300Ts not using the patched TWRP -4.2 version.
There are currently only two ROMs available, but more should be coming soon, as Asus has finally released the new kernel source code.
If your preferred custom ROM supports only the 4.1 boot loader, you need to downgrade. Or just wait a little, as you like...
I read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2187982
and I'm still not sure whats happening... Do I need to downgrade to root, and do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash TWRP?
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No and yes.
You can use the tool from the tread above just get root; no downgrading, no unlocking.
But yes, if you want to install TWRP, you need to unlock your device first.
You only need to downgrade for installing a custom ROM that does not (yet) support the 4.2 boot loader.
On 4.2.1 theres the occasional hiccup and freezes when I use chrome... Is this still an issue in the custom roms? Also my Settings app crashes when I try to load the "Running" tab in the apps section of settings lol
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I have not used stock ROM for a while, but generally people report that most custom ROMs run much smoother than stock Asus ROM:

I would suggest downgrading ti the 4.1.1 bootloader, as there is a much larger variety or ROMS available.

f69m said:
Well, you have two basic options:
Get root without unlocking.
That is good, if you want to stick with stock ROM, but want to run Apps that need root access.
Or if you don't want to unlock for any reason.
More details in this thread: [JB ROOT] motochopper works! (Root JB 4.1.1 & 4.2.1 with locked bootloader!)
Unlock and install the patched TWRP for -4.2.
This will allow you to root stock ROM easily or you can install custom ROMs.
Be careful: You have the boot loader 4.2, which means you need to pick the patched TWRP for that boot loader and you need to pick one of the ROMs supporting the 4.2 boot loader.
People have bricked their TF300Ts not using the patched TWRP -4.2 version.
There are currently only two ROMs available, but more should be coming soon, as Asus has finally released the new kernel source code.
If your preferred custom ROM supports only the 4.1 boot loader, you need to downgrade. Or just wait a little, as you like...
No and yes.
You can use the tool from the tread above just get root; no downgrading, no unlocking.
But yes, if you want to install TWRP, you need to unlock your device first.
You only need to downgrade for installing a custom ROM that does not (yet) support the 4.2 boot loader.
I have not used stock ROM for a while, but generally people report that most custom ROMs run much smoother than stock Asus ROM:
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Thanks was a lot of great information! I rooted my pad and did a few speed optimization things such as re-trimming and now its much smoother! Maybe I'll try a custom rom later but as for now, I'm happy with the updates that Asus provides
cmendonc2 said:
I would suggest downgrading ti the 4.1.1 bootloader, as there is a much larger variety or ROMS available.
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I'll keep that in mind but I believe there should be more soon as f69m, stated that asus release the kernel for 4.2
I signed that petition in your signature as well

I'd say go for the 'full experience'. Having an unlocked device also allows you to reflash ROMs at will and can also help in a pinch when it comes to backups/restores. Also, if you happen to lose root, it's easily re-rootable through the bootloader.
I'd just be careful of the current TWRP 4.2.1 recovery blob. I just flashed the one released this morning and I am currently getting this weird double screen thing. Best bet is to sit tight at the moment; an update should be out shortly.

danjng said:
I'd just be careful of the current TWRP 4.2.1 recovery blob. I just flashed the one released this morning and I am currently getting this weird double screen thing. Best bet is to sit tight at the moment; an update should be out shortly.
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Well, stay away from the TWRP 2.5.0.0-4.2 provided in some thread today, but TWRP 2.4.4.0-4.2 should still be working fine.
Sent from my TF300T using Tapatalk HD

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TF700 Root on JB

As of right now, there is no way of rooting a TF700 on the latest stock firmware, correct? I was reading through the All About the Infinity thread and there was a method listed but I'm not sure if it's been updated to reflect the latest OTA. Is there an official thread where an announcement will be made when a method of rooting has been discovered?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
Joeful said:
As of right now, there is no way of rooting a TF700 on the latest stock firmware, correct? I was reading through the All About the Infinity thread and there was a method listed but I'm not sure if it's been updated to reflect the latest OTA. Is there an official thread where an announcement will be made when a method of rooting has been discovered?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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To root JB directly, you need to UNLOCK your device. If don't want to unlock then you have to downgrade back to ICS .30 in order to root.
buhohitr said:
To root JB directly, you need to UNLOCK your device. If don't want to unlock then you have to downgrade back to ICS .30 in order to root.
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Will there be a way to root without unlocking in the future?
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
Joeful said:
Will there be a way to root without unlocking in the future?
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Currently the only thing to get root in JB with locked bootloader is: downgrade to ICS, root, use OTA root keeper, run OTA upgrade manually.
A more direct way is only possible if someone discovers a new security hole in JB - if and when this will happen, is impossible to know.
_that said:
Currently the only thing to get root in JB with locked bootloader is: downgrade to ICS, root, use OTA root keeper, run OTA upgrade manually.
A more direct way is only possible if someone discovers a new security hole in JB - if and when this will happen, is impossible to know.
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Interesting but makes sense. Question tho, if you have unlocked, rooted, installed custom rom, AND also updated to ASUS newest boot loader can you get back to a locked or unlocked ICS state WITH the OLD boot loader ? I am sure I know the answer tho ... And sorry if this is considered a double post to my other one.
Cheers
Thibor69 said:
if you have unlocked, rooted, installed custom rom, AND also updated to ASUS newest boot loader can you get back to a locked or unlocked ICS state WITH the OLD boot loader ?
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From what I read in some other threads: you can downgrade to ICS 9.4.5.30, but not to the 9.4.5.26 bootloader.
Thibor69 said:
Interesting but makes sense. Question tho, if you have unlocked, rooted, installed custom rom, AND also updated to ASUS newest boot loader can you get back to a locked or unlocked ICS state WITH the OLD boot loader ? I am sure I know the answer tho ... And sorry if this is considered a double post to my other one.
Cheers
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yes, _that is correct, the only way you can go below .30 (back to .26...) is if you have a backup of your bootloader using NVflash.
Rooting question
I have the latest firmware update, running STOCK jelly bean, NOT unlocked and NOT rooted. If I use the ASUS unlock tool, will that unlock my tf700 and root it? And then I can just flash custom recovery and load CleanROM.. correct? Coming from samsung vibrant, galaxy nexus, nexus 7 and tf101 here.
droyd4life said:
I have the latest firmware update, running STOCK jelly bean, NOT unlocked and NOT rooted. If I use the ASUS unlock tool, will that unlock my tf700 and root it? And then I can just flash custom recovery and load CleanROM.. correct? Coming from samsung vibrant, galaxy nexus, nexus 7 and tf101 here.
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No, unlock is just unlock, you need to do root separately. Follow this threads, he's doing the same things you're doing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960911
buhohitr said:
To root JB directly, you need to UNLOCK your device. If don't want to unlock then you have to downgrade back to ICS .30 in order to root.
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You say that for root, the device has to be downgraded first. Isn't it the same for unlocking? Is it possible to unlock JB without downgrading to ICS?
shimi4 said:
You say that for root, the device has to be downgraded first. Isn't it the same for unlocking? Is it possible to unlock JB without downgrading to ICS?
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I'm by no means a pro at this, but from my research, you no longer need to downgrade to ICS. This is a pretty old thread. There is an unlock tool now available for JB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33037501&postcount=2

Re-lock bootloader

hi,
i have asus tf300tg,rooted and unlocked.
there is a way ti re-lock bootloader? i want to restore the tablet to original state when i buied it.
It has been answered here plenty of times, short answer is: No, you can't.
ah...ok...thanks
I have this build out of the box US 9.4.3.30 then the updates is available and I didn't install but instead I did unlock,nvflash,cwm then root. Any advice on what should I do:
- click this update now it will still work or not since I'm already unlocked and might possibly brick my device?
or
- safely install the update but I will still be unlocked?
or
- ignore updates and just flash custom JB ROM?
Thanks!
melvsmeister said:
I have this build out of the box US 9.4.3.30 then the updates is available and I didn't install but instead I did unlock,nvflash,cwm then root. Any advice on what should I do:
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This means you're still on the ICS bootloader. This is important to note because of your questions below.
melvsmeister said:
- click this update now it will still work or not since I'm already unlocked and might possibly brick my device?
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Taking the JB upgrade from ASUS is the only way to upgrade the bootloader. Whether you take the OTA upgrade or do it yourself, you will have to perform this step at some point if you want a custom ROM based on the JB bootloader.
melvsmeister said:
- safely install the update but I will still be unlocked?
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As stated before, you cannot re-lock the bootloader. This includes via ASUS upgrades... your bootloader will remain unlocked.
melvsmeister said:
- ignore updates and just flash custom JB ROM?
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This will depend on the custom ROM you want to use. Do your research before moving forward either way.
bsaman said:
Taking the JB upgrade from ASUS is the only way to upgrade the bootloader. Whether you take the OTA upgrade or do it yourself, you will have to perform this step at some point if you want a custom ROM based on the JB bootloader.
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Thanks for taking time to answer my question, I'm planning to use Hydro and I understand that I need to update to JB first. I'm kinda new to TF300 so I'm afraid to mess up so I wonder since JB update is in my notification can I install it or it may brick my device since it was downloaded while I'm completely stock but now my device is unlocked and rooted?
Here's what I'm planning to do:
-Update using the JB OTA in my notification bar
-Install CWM JB compatible
-Install custom rom
OR
-DL the latest JB firmware from ASUS
-Install CWM JB compatible
-Install custom rom
Thanks again for your help!

Do I need to unlock bootloader for TWRP?

Hello,
I'm trying to install TWRP on my wife's TFT300T. Its lagging and freezing bloat apps hasn't helped. It's rooted stock 4.2 with a locked boot.
I rooted it with motochopper, and tried installing the latest 4.2 (2.6) with the terminal method and it didn't seem to work. I get an error when trying to access the recovery menu. I tried using adb/sdk, but I don't see the usb option fro fastboot.
I have the latest unlock tool from asus, but I want to be sure I need to unlock the bootloader. I have everything backed up with titanium, but I'd like to get a recovery of the stock too if possible.
If someone could confirm I need to unlock the bootloader that'd be great. It hasn't specially said that I need to unlock the bootloader in any of the 5 or 6 topics I've read. Thanks!
Sent from my OG RAZR
DiRtY UnIcOrNs, JBX kernel, Viper4android Fx
ins5736 said:
Hello,
I'm trying to install TWRP on my wife's TFT300T. Its lagging and freezing bloat apps hasn't helped. It's rooted stock 4.2 with a locked boot.
I rooted it with motochopper, and tried installing the latest 4.2 (2.6) with the terminal method and it didn't seem to work. I get an error when trying to access the recovery menu. I tried using adb/sdk, but I don't see the usb option fro fastboot.
I have the latest unlock tool from asus, but I want to be sure I need to unlock the bootloader. I have everything backed up with titanium, but I'd like to get a recovery of the stock too if possible.
If someone could confirm I need to unlock the bootloader that'd be great. It hasn't specially said that I need to unlock the bootloader in any of the 5 or 6 topics I've read. Thanks!
Sent from my OG RAZR
DiRtY UnIcOrNs, JBX kernel, Viper4android Fx
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Long anwser
To my knowledge and for a bit of backround the reason the tf300t needs to be unlocked to install twrp is any kernel package you flash needs to be cryptographically signed, the key for this has not and wont be released by Asus, meaning if you try flash twrp without being unlocked, the bootloader looks for a signature on said package but doesn't find one so its not accepted, unlocking the bootloader disables these checks so we can flash what we want.
Short answer
Yes you need to have an unlocked bootloader to flash unsigned kernels

[Q] Droid Maxx 4.2.2 sunshine unlock, how to get to 4.4.4?

So i held out taking the otas for a while to avoid losing root and am still on 4.2.2 post camera update. I know, it's sad, but I have root so i haven't been dying to update.
However, i just saw that sunshine will unlock my bootloader, which I'm going to do. What I'm confused about though is once i unlock my bootloader, how do I get to 4.4.4? Can I just revert everything to stock and take all of the otas (and then flash twrp to get root)? I heard that something in one of the otas changed something with the bootloader, so i don't know if taking that would cause problems with an unlocked bootloader or make me lose my unlocked status. Either way, could i just flash a 4.4.4 image directly from 4.2.2? If so where do i get a stock image to flash? Thanks for any help!
Once you have successfully unlocked, make sure you are status 3 unlocked in fastboot.
Once confirmed, you can use the rsd lite, and use the stock firmware from:
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/
Next, flash twrp for the ghost from their website.
Lastly if you want root flash supersu.
So can I flash a different OS version from the site that you linked? Or is that just to return to stock in anticipation of flashing TWRP and using that to flash a later android version?
rule of thumb is you cannot downgrade, only upgrade or revert to the same version you are already on
This seemed like the easiest route to a rooted 4.4.4... Unlock bootloader via Sunshine, and proceed as instructed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-ultra/general/unlocked-boot-xt-1080-restore-4-4-4-pre-t2883131
Data remains intact, unlocked bootloader warning on boot logo fixed, and TWRP (or Philz) flashed as recovery. Super easy. Good times.
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Sent from my DROID Maxx
I'm in the same situation. I'm currently rooted on the post camera update and held off on the new ota's for a while. I want to do the sunshine unlock. My question is should I do the sunshine unlock, upgrade to the newest 4.4.4 then install twrp to root? This youtube.com/watch?v=_xVyJMtLDPgvideo gives pretty good instructions but I also want to take future OTA's. I understand you won't be able to unless you put the recovery back to stock.
Thanks in advanced
rcji said:
I'm in the same situation. I'm currently rooted on the post camera update and held off on the new ota's for a while. I want to do the sunshine unlock. My question is should I do the sunshine unlock, upgrade to the newest 4.4.4 then install twrp to root? This youtube.com/watch?v=_xVyJMtLDPgvideo gives pretty good instructions but I also want to take future OTA's. I understand you won't be able to unless you put the recovery back to stock.
Thanks in advanced
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Yep true. Can't take OTAs with out stock recovery. But it is easy to flash Stock Recovery then back to TWRP after the OTA. Of course safest option is to flash stock fxz without wiping data before taking OTAs.
Personally have my own recovery and logo.bin script I keep for just this reason. Run RSDlite with the stock software take OTA (if no fxz yet for the OTA) then full bit and setup and finally flash the recovery and logo.bin I use.
Many ways of doing it just find its easier for me this way probably cause this is how I learned from trial and error is all. Probably an easier way though.

Rooting and s-off for vzw m8 on Lollipop

Hey all,
After some browsing on here recently, it looks like a somewhat experimental exploit has been found to gain temporary root access long enough for Sunshine to do its thing. I am planning to use the "Kingroot" method to root and permanently s-off my HTC M8.
It has been some time since I seriously rooted any android phone so I wanted to compile a checklist of the steps I will need to take to fully downgrade my operating system from Lollipop back to Kit Kat once all is said and done. My questions are as follows:
-is it necessary to flash a stock 4.x.x sense rom before flashing a custom 4.x.x build?
- from a stability/performance standpoint what sense kit Kat rom do you find to be the best? I prefer sense for the great widgets and features it provides.
- is flashing a kernel necessary for going from 5.x.x to 4.x.x? I recall doing this to my OG droid several times.
- will flashing new radios be necessary or are the still included in rom builds?
- Is twrp the preferred recovery for the m8 or do alternatives exist which you'd recommend?
Please let me know of any other important steps I will need to take before attempting the downgrade. Thanks in advance.
x25064 said:
Hey all,
After some browsing on here recently, it looks like a somewhat experimental exploit has been found to gain temporary root access long enough for Sunshine to do its thing. I am planning to use the "Kingroot" method to root and permanently s-off my HTC M8.
It has been some time since I seriously rooted any android phone so I wanted to compile a checklist of the steps I will need to take to fully downgrade my operating system from Lollipop back to Kit Kat once all is said and done. My questions are as follows:
-is it necessary to flash a stock 4.x.x sense rom before flashing a custom 4.x.x build?
- from a stability/performance standpoint what sense kit Kat rom do you find to be the best? I prefer sense for the great widgets and features it provides.
- is flashing a kernel necessary for going from 5.x.x to 4.x.x? I recall doing this to my OG droid several times.
- will flashing new radios be necessary or are the still included in rom builds?
- Is twrp the preferred recovery for the m8 or do alternatives exist which you'd recommend?
Please let me know of any other important steps I will need to take before attempting the downgrade. Thanks in advance.
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Once s-off if you want stock experience, I would flash kk ruu
This should be in Q&A, not development. Maybe @moderator an move it?
x25064 said:
Hey all,
After some browsing on here recently, it looks like a somewhat experimental exploit has been found to gain temporary root access long enough for Sunshine to do its thing. I am planning to use the "Kingroot" method to root and permanently s-off my HTC M8.
It has been some time since I seriously rooted any android phone so I wanted to compile a checklist of the steps I will need to take to fully downgrade my operating system from Lollipop back to Kit Kat once all is said and done. My questions are as follows:
-is it necessary to flash a stock 4.x.x sense rom before flashing a custom 4.x.x build?
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You mean after being s-off? No
- from a stability/performance standpoint what sense kit Kat rom do you find to be the best? I prefer sense for the great widgets and features it provides.
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Totally personal preference. I like CleanROM
- is flashing a kernel necessary for going from 5.x.x to 4.x.x? I recall doing this to my OG droid several times.
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The kernel is part of the rom you flash. You can flash a different kernel after installing a rom. Just gotta make sure it's compatible with the rom
- will flashing new radios be necessary or are the still included in rom builds?
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On HTC devices you have to distinguish between firmware and rom. The firmware is radios, hboot and such. The rom is seperate. In general you have to have 4.4 firmware to run a KK rom and 5.x firmware to run a LP rom. Although I know of people who flashed the 5.0.1 firmware and then went back to CleanROM 3.x (which is KK) without a problem. YMMV
Is twrp the preferred recovery for the m8 or do alternatives exist which you'd recommend?
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Everybody seems to be running TWRP
Please let me know of any other important steps I will need to take before attempting the downgrade. Thanks in advance.
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You cannot downgrade to KK unless you are s-off. Once you are s-off, flash the firmware for the rom you want to run, then flash the rom
Thanks for the info, that is exactly what I need. I finally have some time today to give this a shot so I will report my results.
Looks like I am already running into issues with Kingroot not opening on my phone. It will install, then once selected from my app drawer it just flashes the screen with no result.
I got another version from a download list on XDA heres the progress so far:
- kingroot gains root after 2-3 tries, no big deal
- sunshine installed and given su permission
- sunshine verifies, I pay them, final tests are run and it reboots
- phone fully rebooted, sunshine asks to continue
- I hit home and minimized Sunshine, went back to kingroot, installed - reboot - Sunshine pops up, minimize, kingroot - repeat until root is successful
- maximize Sunshine from apps tray, continue - s-off successfully
- rebooted the phone into the boot menu and verified that the bootloader is unlocked and s-off has been successfully achieved
I do also concur with other postings that the modified flag has been placed when I enter the boot menu.
Also just to clarify - I CAN download RUU 4.4.3, place it on my root SD directory (FAT32), and go into hboot mode and flash accordingly? This won't brick my phone going from 5.0.1 to 4.4.3 as long as the phone is s-off unlocked?
Ok.. I flashed 4.4.3 which worked.. then went into the play store to grab TWRP - tried to install the recovery and it said something went wrong. I chose to reboot the phone into recovery to check if one was already installed (I thought RUU was bone stock..) and now I can't get kitkat to boot up.. it just goes to TWRP or gives me the red exclamation point....... not sure what to do here but I don't think adb will work since it requires drivers I can't install without the phone being fully booted up..
EDIT: Since I still had a recovery and an SD card with the 4.4.3 RUU on it, I just wiped the system and booted up into the hboot to reinstall the RUU again. Phew..
Now I'm just confused as to why TWRP did that to my phone in the first place? I don't want to install it again now because that was such a pain, but I want to get a rom loaded..
TWRP Manager sucks. The partition layout is slightly different between KK and LP and probably TWRP Manager flashed the recovery to the system partition. That's why it booted straight to recovery.
Use fastboot to flash TWRP.
Thanks man, that makes sense. I'll give it a shot tomorrow!
I was able to RUU TWRP no problem with a RUU zip I found on here. Worked like a charm.
I have to say I didn't realize how bad the official lollipop OTA is compared to running a 4.4.3 version of viperrom. It's like night and day and my battery life is excellent now. So glad the kingroot exploit worked!
x25064 said:
I was able to RUU TWRP no problem with a RUU zip I found on here. Worked like a charm.
I have to say I didn't realize how bad the official lollipop OTA is compared to running a 4.4.3 version of viperrom. It's like night and day and my battery life is excellent now. So glad the kingroot exploit worked!
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Thanks for this whole thread! Your detailed process has given me the confidence to finally do this on mine, can't wait to be back to KK and have a working device again!

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