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Hi,
i recently return my samsung (4th time) galaxy s2 becouse of various defects , i been looking at the sensation however i have a few questions , firstly for all its issues i like how fast and responsive the galaxay was however when i tryed the sensation i noticed its not as smooth as the galaxy or that much smoother then the desire hd.
One possible reason for this i noticed was that the sensation uses a asmp cpu , which seems a bit cheeky to me. I mean im buying a dual core phone so i would like both cores to work at the same time as opposed to one working then the second kicking in when the first is loaded. From what ive read ics should have better support for this setup , so i was curious does anyone think we will see that much of a difference bearing in mind the sensation is asmp.
I notice there`s a lot of talented devs from the desire development and hd which is encouraging so i was hoping to learn from various users how much of a performance increase there seeing in custom roms ie is the browser jerky like stock ??
Appreciate any / all feedback thank you
I'm interested in some more more info on this topic as well.....
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ok so aSMP doesn't really work in the method of core 0 gets loaded then core 1 kicks in, thats way off.
basically SMP cpus like Tegra and Samsung's both cores run at the same speed, so core 1 follows core 0. This doesn't mean that core 1 is actually processing anything. In most cases due to gingerbread the phone is still mainly running on one core unless the app supports multicore.
aSMP allows the cores to run completely independent. This is great for battery life. Core 0 can do things like play games and stuff at full speed while core 1 handles background data.
so playing angry birds while syncing photos on flickr:
core 0 could be running at full 1.5Ghz
core 1 could be running at 500Mhz just do handle the syncing
This is basically the idea. We will get better support with ICS for full and proper support for multiple cores and the kernels will only get better as devs learn.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233103
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose
tonnytech said:
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
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The sensation's CPU works in a much more power efficient way, while still offering the speed of any other dual core CPU. It allows different clock speeds for different cores so applications using only a single core will be able to clock it differently to those using the other in the background. Computers, especially laptops work in a similar way, as there is a need for power efficiency. Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.
again thanks for the reply , defintly understand how this asmp buisness works more now which has given me some stuff to think about
tonnytech said:
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose
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Neither architecture, SMP or aSMP, will commit both cores to one task unless the app is multithreaded and it currently needs the use of both cores. This is the same way that multicore pc's operate. That's why when quad core CPU's first came out people said that they didn't feel any faster than comparable dual core chips - most existing apps at that time were written for single or dual threaded use so the third and fourth cores largely sat unused. The pc doesn't just force the use of the extra cores just because they are there (regardless of how they scale, aSMP or SMP).
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Also the new firmware has made it smoother due to extra optimisations. Web browser is not as good as the galaxy S 2 due that being GPU accelerated. Power wise the Sensation you will get somewhat more out of your battery life wise.
hardensm said:
Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.
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If you look at my thread and see the post:
MSM8x60:
Adreno 220 GPU
2x Cortex A8 Based Cores
512KB L2 Cache
45nm
upto 333Mhz LPDDR2
Exynos 4210:
Mali 400 GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
45nm
support for LPDDR2/DDR3
Tegra 2:
ULP Geforce GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
40nm
support for 600Mhz LPDDR2
So the biggest thing is is that the Exynos is based on a new core micro-arch then the Snapdragon 2, also it has the ability to support DDR3 memory. To go into more detail about ARM Cortex.
Items that A8 and A9 have in common:
Jazelle RCT for JIT Compilation
Neon SIMD Instruction Set (Optional)
Thumb2 Instruction set
VFPv3 Floating Point Unit (Optional)
Cortex A8:
Superscalar Dual-Issue Micro-Arch
2.0 DMIPS/Mhz
Cortex A9:
Out-Of-Order Superscalar Micro-Arch
2.5 DMIPS/Mhz
Jazelle DBX for Java Execution
Dual-Core Processing Built In
The SGSII has a new generation architecture as so does the Tegra
This thread is iteresting. I want to continue that.
my cpu0 and cpu1 arrive at 1,7 ghz. so cpu1 doesnt arrive up to 500 mhz
Hi, I also purchased the Blu Studio 5.3. Would fellow Blu Studio owners mind sharing what is printed on their boxes with me? Mine has Part no: D510a and the UPC is 79830419476.
Also, if you are familiar with using a terminal emulator or adb shell, please share the output of your /proc/cpuinfo so we can compare.
I suspect that Blu Products sent me the 650 Mhz verson, not the 800 Mhz version that I expected.
Here's my /proc/cpuinfo:
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
BogoMIPS : 797.90
Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xb76
CPU revision : 7
Hardware : MT6573
Revision : 65fb8a00
Serial : 0000000000000000
I am expecting to see the Hardware list it as MT6573T (note the T at the end indicates 800 Mhz), but as you can see, it has no T at the end.
I contacted my vendor about this issue but they want me to spend money shipping the unit back to them...I'd like to be very sure this is the wrong one (thus requiring an exchange) before I spend money to ship it.
Thanks in advance!
I think that blu calls the 800mhz version of the blu studio d510a while the 650 mhz version is just blu d510
download quadrant standard from the market and after you run it choose system information and then you can see the processor info.
if it is the 800 mhz version and you decide to keep it can you please answer those questions because i am thinking about buying it
Guys i need to ask some questions before i buy the phone
-Does it support the 3g band 2100 which is used in almost every country in the world except a few which uses the bands 850/1900(usa included) ?
-just to make sure , the 3g works in europe?
-Does viber and other voip programs work ( voice only)
-can you update the pre-installed skype?
-has anyone tried to install flash? did it work?
-has anyone tried the 800mhz processor?
-does it come with a us warranty (has anyone tried to use the warranty)?
-is the screen scratch resistant?
Thank you very much and sorry for asking all these questions =D
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som3aa said:
I think that blu calls the 800mhz version of the blu studio d510a while the 650 mhz version is just blu d510
download quadrant standard from the market and after you run it choose system information and then you can see the processor info.
if it is the 800 mhz version and you decide to keep it can you please answer those questions because i am thinking about buying it
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I am not interested in the benchmark result, just the actual CPU model number in the /proc/cpuinfo output. Quadrant is unable to list the CPU frequency (neither current, max, nor min). A single core 800 Mhz is slow to begin with, but I do want to know I got what I paid for (vendors charge more for the 800 Mhz version). My suspicion is the manufacturer did not replace the hardware in the D510a, but overclocked the 650 Mhz.
At any rate, I have a specific requirement for dual sims, so I am keeping the phone. Here are my responses to your questions, hope it helps.
-Does it support the 3g band 2100 which is used in almost every country in the world except a few which uses the bands 850/1900(usa included) ?
> I am unable to tell confirm 3g band 2100 since I am in the US. Sorry.
-just to make sure , the 3g works in europe?
> Can't help on this one, but search xda forum for "spx-5", which the German poster says is the same as Blu Studio 5.3.
-Does viber and other voip programs work ( voice only)
> Haven't tried. Sorry.
-can you update the pre-installed skype?
> Skype is NOT installed and doesn't seem to install or work for me. Google search shows that for those able to get it running, the video chat won't work.
-has anyone tried to install flash? did it work?
>says "device not compatible with this version"
-has anyone tried the 800mhz processor?
>as you can see, I have doubts that this is really 800mhz
-does it come with a us warranty (has anyone tried to use the warranty)?
>warranty is only 60 days, best to get an extended one (shop around for it)
-is the screen scratch resistant?
>haven't attempted, mine came with two custom fit screen protectors and I'm using one now
I have the 600mhz clocked to 800mhz its the 510 version
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/proc/cpuinfo?
GeekLee said:
I have the 600mhz clocked to 800mhz its the 510 version
Sent from my BLU using XDA
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Thanks, would you mind posting your /proc/cpuinfo?
Thank you very much for responding.
Im not sure about this but i think that you are correct
i googled MT6573 65fb8a00 and found several results ,
look at this , this is the specs. of the spx5 from europe which only comes with the 650mhz processor :
==================== / Proc / cpuinfo =========================
Processor: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (V6L)
BogoMIPS: 668.46
Features: swp half thumb almost mult vfp edsp java
CPU implementer: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant: 0x0
CPU part: 0xb76
CPU revision: 7
Hardware: MT6573
Revision: 65fb8a00
Serial: 0000000000000000
so probably this is an overclocked mt6573 not the MT6573T but im not sure
do not pay extra for the 800 Mhz version if you're planning on overclocking...
som3aa said:
Thank you very much for responding.
Im not sure about this but i think that you are correct
i googled MT6573 65fb8a00 and found several results ,
look at this , this is the specs. of the spx5 from europe which only comes with the 650mhz processor :
==================== / Proc / cpuinfo =========================
Processor: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (V6L)
BogoMIPS: 668.46
Features: swp half thumb almost mult vfp edsp java
CPU implementer: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant: 0x0
CPU part: 0xb76
CPU revision: 7
Hardware: MT6573
Revision: 65fb8a00
Serial: 0000000000000000
so probably this is an overclocked mt6573 not the MT6573T but im not sure
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Thanks for the research. I am STILL hoping an actual 650 Mhz owner will step up and share their /proc/cpuinfo.
This is what BLU has sent my vendor, when I inquired about the discrepancy:
Hi,
We don’t advertise the change in processor as 6573T. We just tell them its 6573 at 800 MHz and implement it in the SW as 6573.
The processor speed is BogoMIPS : 797.90. ---800mhz cpu
I just checked with the one I’m using. You can get this info through Antutu benchmark from the play store.
If you have any questions please let me know
Thank you
<<BLU rep's name omitted>>
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I hope someone learns from my mistake. I would have overclocked this myself and just saved the extra $40-50 I paid for the 800 Mhz version.
Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy note (1) and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
death_relic0 said:
Hey guys was hoping you could help me out since I am a big newbie when it comes to the mobile world
I am looking to buy a new phone, and one of the phones I've choosen to buy has adreno 225, 1.5ghz krait and 720p 4.7" screen (its the pantech (or SKY) a830l ).
Was hoping you guys could help me and let me know which games and/or apps (if any) I wont be able to run because of gpu bottle-neck on this resolution, and how future proof the adreno 225 will prove to be..
additionally, my alternative choice is htc One X
One X is almost twice the price of the pantechm , so I want to know whether its really worth it in terms of cpu and gpu power (ignoring the better screen for a bit).
Also, I've noticed that many 'very' powerful cell phones have mali400 (including galaxy nexus and SIII). I've heard people say that adreno 225 is better than mali400 AND that SIII outperforms in games cell phones with much more powerful graphics card. So now im really confused. Am I missing something?
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mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
js2892 said:
mali 400 easily outperforms adreno 225... that's why it is in galaxy s3
and it has capability upto 4 cores so it is better
more comparable to it would be adreno 320!
the "pantech" one is a good choice if pricing suits you! You'll be able to play many games but i assume 1.5 ghz krait is either dual/quad core!! If yes you are good to go!
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thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
death_relic0 said:
thanks for the reply, really appreciate the clarification.
Ive seen a couple of benchmarks but benchmarks are just benchmarks. Based on current games an apps, how many games and apps are there that wont be able to run because of the gpu? and can you give me some examples? hope I'm not asking too much :angel:
the pantech 830 is Super IPS LCD 720p (4.8"), krait dual core 1.5ghz and adreno 225
Samsung galaxy Note (N7000) is Super Amoled 720p (5.3"), cortex A-9, mali400, about 25% more expensive than the pantech
HTC One X is about twice the price of the pantech (and I really doubt I need the quad core)
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Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
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js2892 said:
Well the pantech phone will run almost all games.. Games which have state of the art graphics like nova3,wild blood and latest nfs, asphalt releases might be a problem.. But those can also be made working by rooting and enabling hardware acceleration
Note and one x will run all games but i understand they are costly
Then again it comes to u, how much u want to pay!
Sent from my GT-S5830i using xda app-developers app
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thanks for the reply..Im willing to spend more but I just dont want spend money on hardware which I wont be utilizing. Id like to game on my mobile, but not dying do and dont mind if a few games dont work. Prefer gaming on my PC in any case.
Just want to confirm that all apps would work and I could run 720p videos on the pantech smoothly.
Hi guys.
First if this isnt the best section for this please move it to where it needs to go.
I was looking around Aliexpress and saw an octo core phone with mtk 6595 cpu, 4gb ram, 13mp camera etc and for the equivalent of £54 cost it seemed too good to be true. unfortunately that now seems the case. i noticed it was quite laggy which you wouldnt think an octo core phone would be and the photos were poor which a 13mp camera shouldnt produce.
so i downloaded some hardware identifying apps. some state the same details that the seller did. some state however - dual core 6572 cpu, 6mp camera. it also shows only 2 point multitouch where as more modern phones would allow more point multitouch. also when i downloaded google camera and went into the resolution settings, 6.2mp is the max allowed.
so i'm having a battle back and forth that either he refunds most of what i paid and lets me keep this poor phone as a spare for my son at a much lower price or pays the return postage costs and shows me some sort of guarantee i'll get my money back when he receives.
So....the question is, how has he or someone else set it so that it can fool some apps into reading incorrect data? and, even if i turn off data all together it still shows 4g for both sims even though 1 isnt even a 4g sim/data plan?
cheers guys.
marc.knuckle said:
Hi guys.
First if this isnt the best section for this please move it to where it needs to go.
I was looking around Aliexpress and saw an octo core phone with mtk 6595 cpu, 4gb ram, 13mp camera etc and for the equivalent of £54 cost it seemed too good to be true. unfortunately that now seems the case. i noticed it was quite laggy which you wouldnt think an octo core phone would be and the photos were poor which a 13mp camera shouldnt produce.
so i downloaded some hardware identifying apps. some state the same details that the seller did. some state however - dual core 6572 cpu, 6mp camera. it also shows only 2 point multitouch where as more modern phones would allow more point multitouch. also when i downloaded google camera and went into the resolution settings, 6.2mp is the max allowed.
so i'm having a battle back and forth that either he refunds most of what i paid and lets me keep this poor phone as a spare for my son at a much lower price or pays the return postage costs and shows me some sort of guarantee i'll get my money back when he receives.
So....the question is, how has he or someone else set it so that it can fool some apps into reading incorrect data? and, even if i turn off data all together it still shows 4g for both sims even though 1 isnt even a 4g sim/data plan?
cheers guys.
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He probably just changed the specs in the build.prop files so it shows that the phone is more powerful than it actually is and changed some images for the sim 4G.
janekmuric said:
He probably just changed the specs in the build.prop files so it shows that the phone is more powerful than it actually is and changed some images for the sim 4G.
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Is there any way to prove this or revert it back to stock without the false info?
If your phone has the mtk 6595 CPU your antutu benchmark must be 40000 or more if not then its probably a scam phone download and run the latest antutu benchmark 35000 is fine too but not 25000
Bigbossyousef said:
If your phone has the mtk 6595 CPU your antutu benchmark must be 40000 or more if not then its probably a scam phone download and run the latest antutu benchmark 35000 is fine too but not 25000
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it fails to finish the test saying something about failed network something or other yet still shows 48695 score. it actually doesnt mean much whatever the score is as it runs sluggishly, wont run any games like dead trigger 2 or similar and stutters playing youtube vids. also google camera shows max camera resolution allowed is 6.2mp rather than the 13mp claimed.
marc.knuckle said:
Is there any way to prove this or revert it back to stock without the false info?
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It's possible but there is no point in that since it won't do anything to the speed of the device. You would just be wasting time.
janekmuric said:
It's possible but there is no point in that since it won't do anything to the speed of the device. You would just be wasting time.
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Part of the reason is for proof to get a refund and the other reason is if i keep it and eventually sell it, I'd want to have the correct details on it
marc.knuckle said:
Part of the reason is for proof to get a refund and the other reason is if i keep it and eventually sell it, I'd want to have the correct details on it
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Just download CPU-Z it shows all the correct specs. Then edit the build.prop file so the specs are matching. Make sure to do some research before you cahange anything in the build.prop and always remember to make a backup.
janekmuric said:
Just download CPU-Z it shows all the correct specs. Then edit the build.prop file so the specs are matching. Make sure to do some research before you cahange anything in the build.prop and always remember to make a backup.
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cpuz shows it as octa core but specifically that only 2 cores are working and only at 1.2ghz which is further confirming that it is actually a mt6572.
also, any ideas if there are custom roms that i could install and would this then wipe the fake build.prop details?
thanks again
marc.knuckle said:
cpuz shows it as octa core but specifically that only 2 cores are working and only at 1.2ghz which is further confirming that it is actually a mt6572.
also, any ideas if there are custom roms that i could install and would this then wipe the fake build.prop details?
thanks again
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I didn't find any roms for your phone, but you don't need to install a rom to change build.prop details. Also build.prop does not contain most of the specs. A lot of them are in the hardware and in the kernel.
janekmuric said:
I didn't find any roms for your phone, but you don't need to install a rom to change build.prop details. Also build.prop does not contain most of the specs. A lot of them are in the hardware and in the kernel.
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I couldn't find a rom either. I didn't know if there was such a thing as a generic lollipop rom that could be flashed to any mediatek phone.
I didn't want to just edit the build.prop myself to the specs that i think it should have, i wanted to do some sort of wipe that would then correct it automatically.
Thanks again.
marc.knuckle said:
I couldn't find a rom either. I didn't know if there was such a thing as a generic lollipop rom that could be flashed to any mediatek phone.
I didn't want to just edit the build.prop myself to the specs that i think it should have, i wanted to do some sort of wipe that would then correct it automatically.
Thanks again.
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Well, there isn't such a thing as a generic rom, but you still can make a recovery with MTKDroidTools or Easy Magic TWRP Installer (Recommended)
Try an app called hardware info also try asphalt 8 and beach buggy racing and gt racing too you can't judge a device playing one game if all games lag even on low graphics then its a scam and about ( CPU z) showing only two cores working might be due to the fact that most phones disable most of the cpu cores in idle mode but all core do work while gaming I have a lenovo a3500 with four cores( set CPU) shows only two cores working in idle but it reads 4 cores total so it doesn't mean that the cpu is fake if all cores are not active in idle in fact if all cores work in idle it would be a huge waste of battery and no mobile os wants to do that my last advice is to try several games and see
And remember gaming performance depends heavily on the GPU ( the graphics card ) and your phone might have the Mali mp you and its not good enough for most games nowadays
A quick list for you explaning performance rating asphalt 8 1280 x 800 high
Mali mp ( 4 fps )
Mali mp2 ( 7 fps )
Adreno 305 (17 fps )
Power vr 6430 ( 24 fps )
So run hardware info app and see if you have Mali or power vr 6430 if you have Mali then it explanes the bad performance due to what I said earlier
Im just asking out of curiosity.
Ive had the exynos note 4 and now the s6 (edge).
Ive used numerous cpu spy apps and never i saw any app record the frequency of our device pass 1.5ghz.
So, is our device locked only at 1.5ghz max or just that all cpu spy apps cant detect pass 1.5ghz of the exynos octa core? Or maybe any other reasons?
Tricks25 said:
Im just asking out of curiosity.
Ive had the exynos note 4 and now the s6 (edge).
Ive used numerous cpu spy apps and never i saw any app record the frequency of our device pass 1.5ghz.
So, is our device locked only at 1.5ghz max or just that all cpu spy apps cant detect pass 1.5ghz of the exynos octa core? Or maybe any other reasons?
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The app. it only records the a53 cluster and not the a57.