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so here is the question
I know that all android tablet&phones are built with ARM processors.But what is the difference between ARM and desktop processors
they come in single core, dual core, quad core, octal core (read:Samsung To Unveil 8-Core ARM Chip In February so they have a bit more power than the PC's in 2005's so why cant they run a full functional windows 8 or linux(android is based on linux) or win7 or winxp?
win xp need only 512 mb ram but now a days we have 2Gb ram Tablets why do they need android instead of it why cant they insall windows
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Is there a way to run windows in tablet (not by emulating)??
ARM is the architecture, different from x86/64, an OS not designed for an architecture cannot run on it...
This is as far as I understand why Ubuntu OS uses CM10 as base, instead of rewriting the whole OS from scratch.
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Arm is something like proccesor designed only for small devices like mobiles..
It is at low level for now,later days it may reach to a good speed proccesor.
Since it is for small devices, it will not carry much load, as pc processor does..:thumbup:
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I notice a couple of phone in China which have xp on the phone including the (xphone) and a dual operating system with xp and android called the (via 500mhz mid). Why can't we make something like this in America??? I thought the touch pro 2 was a mini computer. Why has any abody hacked it to work on the touch pro 2
never going to happen.
this phone is running ARM cpu. XP is only for x86 cpu. there is no ARM version.
what you see is another OS made to look like XP or that phone is running x86 cpu.
Are you kidding? XP on a TP2? What he said.... not gonna happen. Not just for CPU type reasons. Even if XP could run on ARM architecture, the speed to boot would be so slow. You would at lease need a 1GHZ Snapdragon CPU, plus double the RAM.
I seen Windows 95 on a Pocket PC quite a few times. IMO, it sucks. Ancient tech, besides glitchy ass Win95... I'll pass.
What would be nice if there were an app that allowed you to run older 16 & 32 bit win 98 apps. There's still a number of apps I run on my current XP setup that are from the 400-600 mhz X86 era. Would be cool if I could run them on here
Windows XP Pirate Edition from Wikipedia. Please read this with an open mind.
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I believe theTouch Pro 2 should be a little better than a piece of crab pc right?
They claim you can play warcraft fast on a piece of crap computer. Why can't xp work? The only limitation for it to work be x86 processor that would be required to run it. If somebody could make xp run on a micro SD card similarly like what is being done with the android wouldn't this be awesome. To have a dual boot system with windows mobile being the primary OS and xp being the secondary OS running from a micro SD card.
despite the fact that windows xp is designed for x86 processors, what makes it more impossible is the fact that the source code is not publicly available. what makes the android port possible is the fact that it is an open source os.
And what about windows 98? a friend of mine, made run it in a htc touch! :O
usbar said:
And what about windows 98? a friend of mine, made run it in a htc touch! :O
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and i bet it ran like crap
it was likely done through an emulator that emulated the x86 processor, the problem there is you need a lot higher specs than the system you are trying to emulate, 4x is the rule of thumb IIRC
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and i bet it ran like crap
it was likely done through an emulator that emulated the x86 processor, the problem there is you need a lot higher specs than the system you are trying to emulate, 4x is the rule of thumb IIRC
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This whole thing would be a mess - XP kinda sucks anyway - but if you want it on your phone just use logmein, gotomypc, or even the built-in RDP and just interface with a real PC. Better yet - interface with a real PC running win7.
With the last version of ubuntu, i seen that ubuntu can support the arm omap 3 and 4 processors, so my question is, it´s possible to make run it on cell phones like motorola defy,milestone,etc, with this type of processors?
There is the link
mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/natty/release/
thanks
I people. Looking the backtrack site to download this amazin OS I found a mysterious versione. we can download a 32-bit architecture and 64 bit. But now there is arm architecture also
http://www.backtrack-linux.org/downloads/
please look that
ok. I knew that instrunction for running backtrack on device exists but I thouk was only an emulation took from 32 bit architecture instead It is a real installation but with a arm architecture or I wrong somethings?
this build is for low powered arm netbooks such as the augen netbook and also for embedded devices ....don't get me wrong it would be awesome to have this bad boy running on the sensation but it would take some modding to get it to work.
so i saw that the apple a7 chip is actually just a snapdragon 800 processor just like our nexus 5, does that mean the nexus 5 kernel does support 64bit?
Toxina said:
so i saw that the apple a7 chip is actually just a snapdragon 800 processor just like our nexus 5, does that mean the nexus 5 kernel does support 64bit?
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No, it doesnt. The entire system has to be optimised for 64-bit and not only the chip.
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No, it doesnt. The entire system has to be optimised for 64-bit and not only the chip.
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Android wouldn't really need to be optimized for 64-bit like the iPhone 5s because Android uses a virtual machine (Dalvik) to run apps, whereas iOS runs applications natively so those applications would need to be optimized for 64-bit.
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android1234567 said:
Android wouldn't really need to be optimized for 64-bit like the iPhone 5s because Android uses a virtual machine (Dalvik) to run apps, whereas iOS runs applications natively so those applications would need to be optimized for 64-bit.
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Thanks. learned something.
Toxina said:
so i saw that the apple a7 chip is actually just a snapdragon 800 processor just like our nexus 5, does that mean the nexus 5 kernel does support 64bit?
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just FYI , right now 64bit on iOS is a gimmick , notice i said " right now" ... dont you find it odd Apple never mention specs ? didnt tell us what the CPU speed was , how much ram... but all of a sudden , they tell us its 64bit architecture? hmm
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Android wouldn't really need to be optimized for 64-bit like the iPhone 5s because Android uses a virtual machine (Dalvik) to run apps, whereas iOS runs applications natively so those applications would need to be optimized for 64-bit.
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Incorrect. Much,much, MUCH, of android is native code (even the dalvik interpreter), which is dominated by ARMv7 architecture at the moment. With the transition to 64 bit ARM (AArch64 mode on the ARMv8 processor), the kernel, drivers, bionic libc library, libgralloc (graphics), and countless other libraries need to be ported to 64 bit. This involves 64 bit compilers becoming release quality, and code reviews to ensure that pointer casts are handled appropriately for the transition to a larger address map.
However, there is nothing inherently better about '64 bit' and the Snapdragon 800 chip is a monster.
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Incorrect. Much,much, MUCH, of android is native code, which is currently ARMv7. With the transition to 64 bit ARM (AArch64 mode on the ARMv8 processor), the kernel, drivers, bionic libc library, libgralloc (graphics), and countless other libraries need to be ported to 64 bit. This involves 64 bit compilers becoming release quality, and code reviews to ensure that pointer casts are handled appropriately for the transition to a larger address map.
However, there is nothing inherently better about '64 bit' and the Snapdragon 800 chip is a monster.
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Learn something new every day But the apps themselves on Android wouldn't need to be re-written for 64-bit like they do on the iPhone 5S, right?
Back to Apple's A7 chip, I think Apple did this to get a head start on 64-bit development; I doubt the iPhone 5S has 3.5GB+ of RAM so 64-bit doesn't seem practical for the 5S.
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Learn something new every day But the apps themselves on Android wouldn't need to be re-written for 64-bit like they do on the iPhone 5S, right?
Back to Apple's A7 chip, I think Apple did this to get a head start on 64-bit development; I doubt the iPhone 5S has 3.5GB+ of RAM so 64-bit doesn't seem practical for the 5S.
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Yes and No. Some Apps (most Games) run native code the would have to be rewitten in 64bit.
I think it has been confirmed that the 5S has 1GB of Ram.
64-bit is meh.. its going to take time for it to mature. Its still in its infant stages and will take time... but eventually down the road, it'll become the standard. For now, I don't think its that much of a thing to look at when buying a phone.
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64-bit is meh.. its going to take time for it to mature. Its still in its infant stages and will take time... but eventually down the road, it'll become the standard. For now, I don't think its that much of a thing to look at when buying a phone.
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Yep. In fact, the best thing about 64 bit is the ability to see a 4GB+ memory space. ARMv8 does a nice job of cleaning up the instruction set (I spend my days writing ARMv8 right now), but I expect power to be an issue even at the cost of possible speed improvements due to doubling neon/VFP registers and other such improvements
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Yep. In fact, the best thing about 64 bit is the ability to see a 4GB+ memory space. ARMv8 does a nice job of cleaning up the instruction set (I spend my days writing ARMv8 right now), but I expect power to be an issue even at the cost of possible speed improvements due to doubling neon/VFP registers and other such improvements
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This...
If the addressable mem space (RAM) goes unutilized, the cleaner instruction set remains the only pro. For now, gimmick.... Down the line, standard.
booooom
A7 is not by any means close to a Snapdragon, completely different designs. But similar performance though.
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Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
If you want install Windows like a PC (desktop apps...) it is impossible because are different platforms (ARM VS X86-64).
If you mean Windows RT, actually is it not possible
What do you mean I can't install Windows on a Tablet? There are Tablets that have Windows on them. I saw a tablet that had Windows and Android on it. They were two separate Tablets, but they were both the same model with the same specs.
I'm not talking about PC version of Windows. I'm talking about the version that is on Tablets and Phones, Windows Mobile or something. There has to be a Custom ROM with that kind of Windows for me to flash it on the Tablet. But I don't know where to look for it.
EDIT: I just found out that there is Windows 8.1 RT for ARM based devices.
If you mean the Asus Duet, it's an x86 , not ARM.
There aren't custom ROM with Windows RT inside. Cotulla is working on it with HTC One.
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Damn it, just search the net! Windows 8.1 RTM works with ARM cpus. The thing is I have no clue how to install it on android. It is an iso file that boots from the usb, but that only works on pcs(I think). They don't give us the instructions on how to install it on the Android. :crying::crying:
Gordon2013 said:
Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
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You cant run windows or even windows RT on your tablet/ majority of tablets out there (unless you create a virtual engine to mimic it which will work like crap) but i can suggest you side load Ubuntu with your android device which will work well. The OS is very malleable in that it is extremely open source AND is linux based, search for that instead... Good luck.
Quote RamRaja. Try to install that.
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Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
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Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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First of all, sorry for yelling. I just said to him that there's already a windows that can run on arm cpus. But he didn't believe me...
Second, there aren't a large variety of components for tablets, most of them have the same crap. So it wouldn't be needing so many drivers.
RamRaja said:
This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
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Well it says ANY arm based device. So my cpu falls into that category. Why are you saying my tablet can't run it?
BTW: I don't want to offend anyone. I just hoped that someone knew about it and how do do it. There is on now, but it's made for a surface tablet...
It would be nice if we could flash it though custom recovery.