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ok i was just trying to reply to a post from on the developers forum. but apparently because i'm a new user i have to have 10 posts somewhere else before i can post there.
so i started looking around the threads in general and questions and answers for a thread where i could possibly add some value to the debate when i found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502&page=283
The last comment says it all. Maybe it's the fault of the noobs for posting stupid things on a thread to get their post count up. Or maybe it's the administrators fault for imposing a seemingly arbitrary restriction on new users. Who knows. All I can say is that because I'm not going to post useless me too comments on other threads by the time my meaningful post count reaches 10, the original developer thread I wanted to comment on will have moved on.
It seems like a complete waste of time to me.
Read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298
Ok that's all fair enough in principle but it's just not reality. People are not following those rules. Take this for example:
"Basically, if you did not create "it", then doesn't belong in development."
And then look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258543&page=540
540 pages of comments. So called experienced users are doing this. And if i want to join in the debate what i am supposed to do?
No it is not waste off time
I was "forced" to find and help 3 persons in general discusion that noone "real" developer want to loose time on helping them. I felt very happy with this. ...........
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Yea i count one more post xD
I suppose I have to answer my own question. Basically I have to drag this thread out til my post count reaches 10 at which point I will have the ability to break the rules and comment on stuff I didn't create in the dev threads with all the other 'experts'.
sleeveroller said:
I suppose I have to answer my own question. Basically I have to drag this thread out til my post count reaches 10 at which point I will have the ability to break the rules and comment on stuff I didn't create in the dev threads with all the other 'experts'.
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The rules don't say you can't comment if you didn't make it. You should not create threads in dev forums unless its about something you created.
That's the difference that seems to be overlooked by most people.
I'm not talking about creating a new thread though. Someone else has created one and it now has 540+ pages of comments from people qualified to comment because they have previously made 10 posts somewhere else.
Some of it is intelligent discussion. Some of it is not. All of it is against the spirit of the rules apparently. But if that is where the discussion is taking place why prevent someone from contributing potentially interesting content?
Exceptions are a minority. And like every other government, "we don't care".
$1 gets you a reply
fanisxda said:
I was "forced" to find and help 3 persons in general discusion that noone "real" developer want to loose time on helping them. I felt very happy with this. ...........
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Yea i count one more post xD
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This person is correct
You can look in the Q&A forums and maybe help someone in there. It's really not difficult to make 10 useful posts.
I think the point is you either enforce 10 posts before you can create a developer thread. A thread which is readonly for everyone but the Creator. Or else you have a free for all. But the way it works now is just a pointless waste of time.
(Half way there)
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum
zelendel said:
Well I guess you should have done better research huh. All the roms on XDA are betas as there is no promise it will work. Also making 10 valid posts is not that hard. Any pointless post count bumping will be deleted.
This is a developers forum
Not a users forum
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Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
Happy holidays...
Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.
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Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!
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Dear Zelendel,
this has nothing to do with missing research. I've been using ROM's from the xda-community for some time now and never had any unsolvable problems so far. Therefore I had no reason to post. Right now i'm encountering a strange behaviour with the newest update of the ROM I'm using. And since there is no solution described in the thread of this ROM so far, I wanted to contribute something to make the developer aware of this problem and to better the ROM. Where else would user comments be more needed than in the developement section? What would be development without user feedback? Nothing, I'd say. And if you don't think so, you can delete half of the comments there since they're often not saying more than "oh, wifi support is missing, why is that", "can you integrate that feature from...", etc. And someone with 20 postings can write as much **** there as someone with five postings, and they often do. So the number of postings is not necessarily a quality indicator. It's just delaying feedback and in my case the recovery of my phone.
This not ment to insult anyone on this board, it's great to have it, it's a source of great software and information. It's just sometimes you can't relate to specific board rules and it's frustrating because it's hindering you getting problems solved.
Happy holidays...
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You may have been using ROM's for a long time, but obviously not XDA. The 10 post rule is to prevent spam from getting into the truly Development Forums. The moderators can deal with the spam in the general, but it has no place in the thread for a ROM. If you go through the pages of the general forum, you can find numerous spam posts. I'm not talking about a pointless post, I mean true spam...advertisements and such. These are posted by people with 1 or 2 posts. So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.
I have been registered here for more then 2 years, I read and read and have questions from time to time. but either say screw the answer (if I cant find it) or look elsewhere.
I understand WHY the rule is a min. post count. But apparently there was something wrong with the site two years ago and the "Action Required to Activate Membership for xda-developers" email had problems. Without activating account you cant even see your profile OR post in the designated areas.... annoying to say the least since you dont even know that you didnt get an email you were suppose to.
So after resending the activation link just now on a hunch (and getting another error /shakes head) I am able to post and see my profile in full I believe, since the email came through despite the error on the board. Not to mention why I have 27 posts yet had to activate the account again!
Maybe the post count rule isnt the solution to the spam problem as it hinders the very development its meant to protect. Maybe with such a vast team to oversee things that harsher penalties for such spam posting could be implemented and the current post count rule be abandoned. But what do I know it seems the site fouled up in a unique way for my account....
zelendel said:
Did you try sending a PM to the Dev? Or maybe one of the regular rom users? This is normally alot faster way to get a reply. Most issues have been come across at least once before.
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I did send a private message to the developer and I have to see what comes out of this. But in my opinion it is a lot more molesting to write a p.m. than to post in a thread. Also I thought it might help others with the same problem to have it discussed in public.
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So instead of complaining, go to the off-topic section, knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds and you are good to go. It is protection FOR you, not AGAINST you.
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I tried exactly this, trying to post ten comments in some trash forum or a very very old thread and guess what! You have to wait five minutes between postings as a "newbie" and even better the post was deleted just a few minutes later, resetting my post count to zero again. Seems like moderators take their job very seriously at 3 a.m. cet So no chance this way.
TheATHEiST said:
Simple!
Its to cut down on the n00b crap that pollutes the dev forum. As already stated this is a dev forum not a support forum.
99.9% of things you could ask or post have already been posted so look and read before attempting to post.
Post your issue here and the rom you have issue with and Ill try and help, although its extremely likely all I will do is use search or read forum and get answer for you, which is what you should be doing really.
And before you said "I've already looked" etc, You obviously don't do it properly as this very topic you have created has already been created and discussed AT LENGTH!!
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It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
Happy holidays...
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It seems you have more insight in the spam topic than I do. And it's good people look after spam. But sometimes these rules are just getting in the way of solving things.
As I pointed out before developers are nothing without the community and the feedback of the users. I guess most devs are not programming ROM after ROM just for the sake of it or giving it to their ten close friends, but to spread their good work to the community for everyone to benefit from it. And how many of the registered users on here are really devs? Is it more than 5 to 10%?
Posting my ROM-specific issue in the general section? How fast will moderators remind me that this is the wrong place and the posting will be removed or moved to the appropriate section. So maybe I will do this and get my post to the thread it belongs to without having ten postings after all
And yes I searched the thread all the way after the release of the recent ROM version to see if someone had the same problem. There were some hints people had, but no soultion was offered. So to boost problem solution and for the sake of solidarity with my fellow users I wanted to post there.
But maybe I will just save my time and instead of posting here any longer and just rebuild the phone from step one with a new ROM. Seems faster than to get help here.
Happy holidays...
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Many moon's ago before implementation of post rules there wasn't just a small amount of spam and most of our time was dishing out bans and removing threads so the implementation is to help users and XDA it may be a gripe to new users but it saves work load in the long run.
Besides 10 posts without being SPAM is easily achievable.
Sent from the valley of the shadows....
@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.
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@ OP
No need to create tipple posts, You have a "multi-quote" button or an "edit" button.
The 10 post rule has absolutely nothing to do with advertising spam, Its simply to do with not allowing new users to post questions etc since any questions they have will have already been asked and people was getting sick of seeing the same ****. The limit is there to force users to sit back and have a good read instead of jumping in and posting as soon as they reach hurdle.
Also do not listen to the person who told you to post knock out 10 posts in 30 seconds as they will just get pruned by mods after users report you.
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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.
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HAHAHA, so post 10 posts and you are not a noob. Get real buddy. And if you re read my post you will see that I said to do it in THE OFF TOPIC SECTION! I highly doubt he will get reported to a mod for posting in the "3 Word Story" thread. Grow up.
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Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.
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Firstly, When did I say or infer that posting 10 posts and you're not a n00b??
I said that the 10 post rule is to stop n00bs joining up and immediately jumping in and posting without first searching. Also yes he will get reported and posts pruned, even in off-topic section if they are his first posts and simply spamming to bypass 10 post rule.
Secondly, "grow up"?? wtf are you talking about? Have you been smoking crack with your family today for Xmas? If you are going to reply or contradict me at least try and make sense.
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You are very lost and confused...
n0me said:
Why is it that I have to wait ten postings long to ask a question concerning a problem with a ROM I'm using? You want me really to do some generic blabla to wait till I'm "qualified enough" to post on a thread in the developement section? Oh and in the meantime I'll go to a public phone instead of using my mobile that is not working due to a problem from one of the ROM's on here. That is not very user friendly to say the least.
And eight more postings to go........
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Seriously, come on..
I fully understand this rule and I have "only" been a member since feb 2011..
Since I own a huge forum of my own I might have some info to bring forward to you.
If you allow newbies to post everywhere, where do you think the forum will be placed?
a) In the top of active forum list?
b) In the spammers heaven list?
And a follow up to that, where do you think a forum owner would like to end up?
All right kids knock it off. The 10 post rule is there for a reason and it is not hard to make 10 good posts.
As for the question of what would be posted if users couldn't post? Well check my sign for that answer. Before android hit the masses, the posts in Dev based threads were Dev related posts offering fixes. If something is broken in a rom your using then dig in and try to fix it. That is what XDA is here for. To help others learn. Rom makers do it for the fun of it and decide to share. Some also include small bugs to see who will try to help fix it by providing good info and possible fixes and who will post "huh this is broke please fix"
Meanwhile back at the ranch...
Ok, to end this thread, I restored the phone yesterday using the good old diy-trial-and-error method. Works like a charm again with the old ROM. I have to see where I go from here ROM-wise. I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community. Meanwhile the dev got back to my p.m. explaining what could have caused the problem, which is very kind of him. So thanks to ladyboo for helping out.
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I will probably change the ROM and move to a more user-focused community.
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lol, good luck finding a forum with even 1% of the roms/releasers/info that XDA has
LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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LMAO!! So...I think he got his 10 posts here...
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But I understand the need for 10 posts...It's really not that hard. and in the case of an emergency...PM the dev.. I did
where do we supposed to reply in this forum? if we make a new thread here, they will closed it. if we reply to the topic that we needed, we are not allowed. what will we do here?
New version for taptalk have this problem .. just try many time it will work
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
zerovirusity said:
where do we supposed to reply in this forum? if we make a new thread here, they will closed it. if we reply to the topic that we needed, we are not allowed. what will we do here?
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You need to fulfill the 10 post rule first. Most threads are development threads, therefore new members are not allowed to post until the 10 post minimum is met. This doesn't mean go and make 10 spam/junk/worthless posts either. Someone is always watching for this kind of behaviour.
zerovirusity said:
to all members here, although we are newbies here, we are aware of the rules in this forum because i am also a member in some forums. i hope you will considerate us. we chose to be a member here because this forum has a lot of things that we needed and some answers for our questions. if that's the case that we need to post 10 or more than posts, then please allow us here to post. don't closed it first until we reach 10 posts.
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Threads are only closed for irrelevant posts/spam. Make a worthwhile post and it won't be deleted/locked/removed. Pretty simple really. Everyone needs to bear in mind that this forum is intended for developers. Which 90% or better of you are not.
There are already plenty of threads that discuss this topic, so we don't need a new once (hence the closure).
One of my favourite reasons for the 10 post rule is that it encourages most users (the less spammy and needy ones) to spend more time reading than trying to post in development forums. If you do spend enough time reading you find that 99% of your questions have already been answered, and you learn a hell of a lot and start being able to answer questions yourself. That's a great way to take part in the community as a contributing member. In fairness, if you come here to leech and not participate then you're not adding anything to the forum.
Anyway, if you want more info then see the link in my signature about 10 posts - that should answer more questions
Hey guys just starting up a thread to get my post count up so i can reply on the dev forms. This however is still something i am extremely excited and curious about. The SEIDIO OBEX!
A few questions. First, does anybody know an expected release date?
Second, had anybody had a previous version of the obex? Please give me the rundown, worth the money, does it work as it says, is it heavy and bulky. thanks for any information.
A little off topic but it's probably a bad idea to have your Gmail account as your user name. That is unless you love your email to be spammed. Just saying.
Isn't it already available on their website tho?
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Crap i didnt even notice it did that. do you know how i can change to just a username not my email?
Last i checked they only had them for the S3 but i will have to go look now. Either way though do you have any experience with them? do they perform as well as they are supposed to?
These kind of threads clutter up the forum and make it difficult for searchers. The OBEX has already been released for a while now and there are at least 2 threads in this sub forum about it that include detailed reviews and videos. A simple search will bring up the threads for you or you can go to Seidio's website for more information.
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Crap i didnt even notice it did that. do you know how i can change to just a username not my email?
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Message a moderator. They'll forward it to the admin and they'll change it.
scott14719 said:
These kind of threads clutter up the forum and make it difficult for searchers. The OBEX has already been released for a while now and there are at least 2 threads in this sub forum about it that include detailed reviews and videos. A simple search will bring up the threads for you or you can go to Seidio's website for more information.
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What happened to the days on forums when people would actually respond to a post you make rather than trying to prove that you put it in the wrong spot or should have searched. A forum is supposed to be a community, not a search index.
But like i said im just trying to spark up a discussion so i can get past my 10 post limit. If i was able to post on the forum i wanted it would have prevented this post from being made.
Either way i dont really want seidios opinion on it since they made the product. I was looking more for user experience and first hand opinions, not specs.
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What happened to the days on forums when people would actually respond to a post you make rather than trying to prove that you put it in the wrong spot or should have searched. A forum is supposed to be a community, not a search index.
But like i said im just trying to spark up a discussion so i can get past my 10 post limit. If i was able to post on the forum i wanted it would have prevented this post from being made.
Either way i dont really want seidios opinion on it since they made the product. I was looking more for user experience and first hand opinions, not specs.
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Did you even take a second to look at the threads I told you about?
And this is a DEVELOPMENT forum, not a social network, there are threads especially put aside (in the General section) for you to pad your post count. What happened to the days of people searching and following forum rules? But honestly, go ahead and ignore the links that I told you about (that you asked information about in the first place) and go ahead and post for no other reason than to add to your post count and clutter the sub forum with threads that already exist, I don't care. Good luck.
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Did you even take a second to look at the threads I told you about?
And this is a DEVELOPMENT forum, not a social network, there are threads especially put aside (in the General section) for you to pad your post count. What happened to the days of people searching and following forum rules? But honestly, go ahead and ignore the links that I told you about (that you asked information about in the first place) and go ahead and post for no other reason than to add to your post count and clutter the sub forum with threads that already exist, I don't care. Good luck.
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Actually it isn't letting me post on the DEV forums. thats why i am here. this is an accessory forum. If it was a dev forum it would not let me post here because my count isn't up. And i would have posted in the general section but i figured something about cases would go in the accessory section. I am not ignoring the threads your talking about (although you didn't link them) i know how to search and found them myself. I posted one thread to build my post count not 10 so relax. Clearly you do care cause you took the time to come into this thread and contribute nothing other than telling me I was wrong. If anything thanks for helping me get my count up.
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Actually it isn't letting me post on the DEV forums. thats why i am here. this is an accessory forum. If it was a dev forum it would not let me post here because my count isn't up. And i would have posted in the general section but i figured something about cases would go in the accessory section. I am not ignoring the threads your talking about (although you didn't link them) i know how to search and found them myself. I posted one thread to build my post count not 10 so relax. Clearly you do care cause you took the time to come into this thread and contribute nothing other than telling me I was wrong. If anything thanks for helping me get my count up.
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You're welcome.
DeeeM508 said:
Actually it isn't letting me post on the DEV forums. thats why i am here. this is an accessory forum. If it was a dev forum it would not let me post here because my count isn't up. And i would have posted in the general section but i figured something about cases would go in the accessory section. I am not ignoring the threads your talking about (although you didn't link them) i know how to search and found them myself. I posted one thread to build my post count not 10 so relax. Clearly you do care cause you took the time to come into this thread and contribute nothing other than telling me I was wrong. If anything thanks for helping me get my count up.
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What he meant is this entire website is for development. Not just the development section. I know you want to icrease you count but you could go in the off topic thread for that. One more thread here and there and over there add up quick and it makes it harder for people to find what they are looking for. But the case has been out for a few weeks now.
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Will somebody Plz care to explain what is the Concept of being Eligible for Posting in Developers Thread only After posting 10 Posts:crying::crying:
I don't understand
For Example, If i have a doubt about a Rom and want to post in respective Thread, am not allowed to.. Am allowed to post only in General Q & A Section. It is very difficult to get Answer. Some People are kind enough to respond to PM, Otherwise it is hell of a Job to get an Answer.
What is the use of posting 10 posts which are not usefull only to get a Usefull Answer
vikram66778 said:
Will somebody Plz care to explain what is the Concept of being Eligible for Posting in Developers Thread only After posting 10 Posts:crying::crying:
I don't understand
For Example, If i have a doubt about a Rom and want to post in respective Thread, am not allowed to.. Am allowed to post only in General Q & A Section. It is very difficult to get Answer. Some People are kind enough to respond to PM, Otherwise it is hell of a Job to get an Answer.
What is the use of posting 10 posts which are not usefull only to get a Usefull Answer
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I agree.....
It is to make sure that people don't post anything they want to as soon as the get an account. It is there in an effort to avoid new users from posting wrong threads and questions in the development section. If you want to read more go here
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/xdas-10-post-rule/
You said that you have to post useless posts and other things to get to being able to ask questions in the dev threads. Well the 10 post rule was made so that you could contribute to the community in the q and a sections and so forth to get your 10 posts.
Sent from my HTC One
WildfireDEV said:
It is to make sure that people don't post anything they want to as soon as the get an account. It is there in an effort to avoid new users from posting wrong threads and questions in the development section. If you want to read more go here
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/xdas-10-post-rule/
You said that you have to post useless posts and other things to get to being able to ask questions in the dev threads. Well the 10 post rule was made so that you could contribute to the community in the q and a sections and so forth to get your 10 posts.
Sent from my HTC One
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Thanks for Clarification. I still see people asking so stupid questions in dev's thread inspite of their coverage extensively in many thread, But they are allowed to post for only they have completed their quota of 10
And regarding contributing to community, I think am at Kindergarten level in a Hidh School
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:highfive: For your successfull completion of !0 posts :victory::victory: