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MetroPCS does not have this phone listed in it's list of flashable phones.
How might I get this working? If I were to get my hands on a MetroPCS ROM for another android device, is it possible I could piece together a working ROM? Or does anyone have any other ideas?
It's currently set up for Sprint (clean ESN for Sprint, not that it matters much for what I'm trying to do).
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one rom for 1 phone doesn't work for another. it requires work to port
Yep, I got that. I was more asking if there is something I can get from an existing metropcs ROM to clue me in onto what changes to make.
If I reset the SPC, upload a metropcs PRL, and I'm assuming change any wap settings to use metropcs's internet... is that enough? Or is there really more to it than that?
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Yep, I got that. I was more asking if there is something I can get from an existing metropcs ROM to clue me in onto what changes to make.
If I reset the SPC, upload a metropcs PRL, and I'm assuming change any wap settings to use metropcs's internet... is that enough? Or is there really more to it than that?
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the answer is no.
WiMAX isn't even on MetroPCS. It uses LTE. There is just way too much difference in terms of radios and frequencies.
zephiK said:
the answer is no.
WiMAX isn't even on MetroPCS. It uses LTE. There is just way too much difference in terms of radios and frequencies.
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Ahhh. Thanks for the info. Guess I'll activate on Sprint then. Anything to get away from AT&T right now, service in my areas has been horrible for months.
Metropcs nexus S`
Well obviously the 4g portion of it is different.
Now the evdo and supposedly 3g should work on are where metropcs has it.
Its no problem otherwise you can do everything you can with the nexus, just at a slower Internet speed.
You should probably be able to follow a tutorial for a samsung phone.
Is it possible to get an unlocked CDMA Nexus S so that I can use it with Metro PCS. Which brings up another question, would Metro PCS allow me to use the Nexus S on their service?
Technically, the Nexus S as well as the Nexus S 4G are "unlocked" and can be rooted with no special hacks. I would imagine that MetroPCS can develop their own ROM along with a radio and make it available on their site if users choose to do that. I don't believe there is anything in Sprint's contract which would cause a lawsuit for doing that.
The question is if MetroPCS will allow this phone on their network... it's up to them but I don't see why not, as they don't make money on phones anyway (I think)
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Technically, the Nexus S as well as the Nexus S 4G are "unlocked" and can be rooted with no special hacks. I would imagine that MetroPCS can develop their own ROM along with a radio and make it available on their site if users choose to do that. I don't believe there is anything in Sprint's contract which would cause a lawsuit for doing that.
The question is if MetroPCS will allow this phone on their network... it's up to them but I don't see why not, as they don't make money on phones anyway (I think)
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Why would MetroPCS make a ROM for a phone that is unsupported? They'd have to go to Google to make a compatible phone in the first place.
Why would they spend money on making a ROM for the Nexus S? That just makes no sense. A radio is also not open-sourced. Radios can only be created by Samsung or Google for the Nexus S.
Get your facts straight
Whoever asked the thread said nothing about ROMs. He asked if an unlocked nexus s could be flashed over to metro which it should be able to.
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Whoever asked the thread said nothing about ROMs. He asked if an unlocked nexus s could be flashed over to metro which it should be able to.
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Hey guys I have ns4g just about everything works except for mms..if you want mms you have to use whatsapp...so if you guys can build a metro rom for the ns4g that will be great
Can anyone assist me with how to flash CDMA devices over to boost? I am a dealer for Boost and having inventory challenges, however I have access to unlocked CDMA phones but need to know how to activate them. Any assistance with this is greatly appreciated!
Glash Fordon
Any one out there that can help?
Heh, CDMA devices are locked to their carriers bud. Even if it were possible, most carriers are going to give you a 'WTF' response. It's not as simple as unlocking an HSPA/UMTS phone as the internal hardware has to be reprogrammed with different carrier codes. This is not something a provider will do over the phone.
there is 4 nv files to copy from a cheap boost phone and write to evo or so of course you need to read all info from boost .so you can finish the program once done you have now cloned phone
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Heh, CDMA devices are locked to their carriers bud. Even if it were possible, most carriers are going to give you a 'WTF' response. It's not as simple as unlocking an HSPA/UMTS phone as the internal hardware has to be reprogrammed with different carrier codes. This is not something a provider will do over the phone.
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cricket activates others carriers cdma devices all the time,its really not a big deal. if boost allows other carriers phones,you prolly just need to program them in a similar manner.
i know cdmaworkshop can be used to change meid,min,etc. but i dont know for sure thats the best thing to use.
hopefully someone has an answer,id like to know it as well
I figured I'd ask here. I'm almost certain that it isn't possible at all to do but you never know what the great devs here at XDA has come up with.
I have a HTC HD7s from ATT. It's a GREAT phone in my opinion. Never had a single problem with it; but I did with AT&T. They were just; lacking in terms of anything in my local area.
Now for my question; It's probably not possible but like I said you never know until you ask. I am currently running on Sprint service with my Epic 4G Touch. Love the service as it does what I need it to do (a lot better then AT&T ever did). Now AT&T is GSM if I'm correct and I know sprint is CDMA.
But what could I change my HD7s over to via flashing/custom roms or whatnot. I doubt sprint would even think of being an option; but if there's a way to get it on even a pre-pay service; I'd love to have it sitting around as a backup phone if I ever needed it. So is it possible to flash over my HD7s to any other carriers? I have read that my current phone can actually be flashed to multiple other carriers, but with sprints (decent) service, there's no need.
Thanks ahead of time!
Your HD7S cannot work on a CDMA network (Sprint, Verizon) because it lacks the necessary radio hardware. No amount of flashing can fix that.
If it's unlocked, you can use it on any GSM network, however; no flashing would be required for that. The most obvious example of a non-AT&T GSM network in the USA is T-Mobile. Your phone will work on T-Mobile but won't get 3G due to lack of AWS UMTS support -- in other words, it doesn't have support for T-Mobile's 3G frequency.
If you can find a virtual network operator that uses AT&T's network, then you should be able to use your phone on that network and get 3G. I'm not up on which operators that might include.
The specific thing you need for your phone is a "SIM-unlock" which means removing the restriction that AT&T puts on their phones to prevent using SIM cards from other carriers. Typically, AT&T will remove this lock for you if you ask them, but otherwise there are sites online that can sell you unlock codes or you could try calling HTC.
3. Post only using a clear subject and message.
You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
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Please use search function, most of the questions are already answered. If you still need to post your doubts please do it in an existing thread. Is really no need to open a new thread with same topic. Dispersed information helps to nobody.
Hello,
I ordered from germany a Htc one X (no branding, no simlock, new).. problem is, they've sent me a Htc One XL instead, with a swisscom branding. I live in Austria, and my Simcard works, BUT its constantly showing that I'm in Roaming-Mode (a 'R' above the network signal).
Just to make sure, branding means that my phone has pre installed apps such as swisscom (bloatware?), and when powering on the phone theres a own boot logo? (In my case by swisscom). Is that correct?
Now what to do? Can i fix this branding/roaming problem myself, or do I have to send it back? (Which I really don't want).
I really hope some of you guys can provide me a solution.
PS: If there's a solution to this and its only achievable through flashing a custom ROM, its okay. I want Cyanogenmod 10.2.1 anyway.
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Hello,
I ordered from germany a Htc one X (no branding, no simlock, new).. problem is, they've sent me a Htc One XL instead, with a swisscom branding. I live in Austria, and my Simcard works, BUT its constantly showing that I'm in Roaming-Mode (a 'R' above the network signal).
Just to make sure, branding means that my phone has pre installed apps such as swisscom (bloatware?), and when powering on the phone theres a own boot logo? (In my case by swisscom). Is that correct?
Now what to do? Can i fix this branding/roaming problem myself, or do I have to send it back? (Which I really don't want).
I really hope some of you guys can provide me a solution.
PS: If there's a solution to this and its only achievable through flashing a custom ROM, its okay. I want Cyanogenmod 10.2.1 anyway.
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Unlock the bootloader at HTCdev, flash a custom recovery, flash a custom ROM. Full details in the How-To Guide For Beginners thread in my signature.
timmaaa said:
Unlock the bootloader at HTCdev, flash a custom recovery, flash a custom ROM. Full details in the How-To Guide For Beginners thread in my signature.
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Okay, so that will solve all my problems? I won't be in roaming mode anymore and the branding will be removed, so that my phone is like a 'normal' one?
Sorry if I'm asking too much, I just want to make sure because if i do something wrong, I cant even send it back to request the phone i ordered....
Unbenannt0412 said:
Okay, so that will solve all my problems? I won't be in roaming mode anymore and the branding will be removed, so that my phone is like a 'normal' one?
Sorry if I'm asking too much, I just want to make sure because if i do something wrong, I cant even send it back to request the phone i ordered....
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The fact that you're roaming might just be due to not having your carrier's APN settings pre-installed on the device. You could check those.
Unlocking the bootloader will allow you to flash any ROM you want, which I suppose essentially removes any branding. The branding doesn't really mean that much though, apart from a few apps that you won't use.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
The fact that you're roaming might just be due to not having your carrier's APN settings pre-installed on the device. You could check those.
Unlocking the bootloader will allow you to flash any ROM you want, which I suppose essentially removes any branding. The branding doesn't really mean that much though, apart from a few apps that you won't use.
Sent from my Evita
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I have three questions.
1: Can I follow your How-to even tho it says 'How To Unlock The Bootloader On An AT&T Phone With 3.18 Software' tho my HOXL isn't AT&T? Does that even matter?
2: How can I set up my APN-settings?
3: Are you REALLY sure the branding will be completely removed when flashing a custom ROM?
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I have three questions.
1: Can I follow your How-to even tho it says 'How To Unlock The Bootloader On An AT&T Phone With 3.18 Software' tho my HOXL isn't AT&T? Does that even matter?
2: How can I set up my APN-settings?
3: Are you REALLY sure the branding will be completely removed when flashing a custom ROM?
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1- No, just go to HTCdev and unlock your bootloader.
2- Contact your carrier and find out what the correct APN settings are, then make sure they match in your phone.
3- No I'm not but you said you ultimately want to run CM anyway so it's worth a shot, right?
timmaaa said:
1- No, just go to HTCdev and unlock your bootloader.
2- Contact your carrier and find out what the correct APN settings are, then make sure they match in your phone.
3- No I'm not but you said you ultimately want to run CM anyway so it's worth a shot, right?
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Okay, I think I'm gonna give it a try.
Can someone here tell me if I will loose the Roaming-Problem if I install a custom ROM such as Cyanogenmod 10.2.1?
Tried with various APN settings and it still shows me the R, I've read on few sites that I must activate Roaming with this provider (the provider's name is 'bob') to make the data work. It will work just like normal data on other phones, but the Roaming needs to be checked in options because of some HTC 'incompatiblity' towards my provider.
Unbenannt0412 said:
Okay, I think I'm gonna give it a try.
Can someone here tell me if I will loose the Roaming-Problem if I install a custom ROM such as Cyanogenmod 10.2.1?
Tried with various APN settings and it still shows me the R, I've read on few sites that I must activate Roaming with this provider (the provider's name is 'bob') to make the data work. It will work just like normal data on other phones, but the Roaming needs to be checked in options because of some HTC 'incompatiblity' towards my provider.
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Nobody here is going to be able to tell you for sure that it will fix your problem. Are you sure you're within your coverage area? It could also be a case of your carrier being on a frequency that isn't supported by the device, in which case nothing will fix your problem because that's a hardware limitation.
Sent from my Evita
Unbenannt0412 said:
Tried with various APN settings and it still shows me the R,
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What do you mean "various APN settings"? Are they the correct settings for your carrier?
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I've read on few sites that I must activate Roaming with this provider (the provider's name is 'bob') to make the data work. It will work just like normal data on other phones, but the Roaming needs to be checked in options because of some HTC 'incompatiblity' towards my provider.
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As timmaaa mentioned, I don't think anyone here can answer that, unless perhaps if they are on your same carrier. It depends on how your network is setup, and the geographic factors.
For instance, if your carrier has arranged with other networks to share towers, it may falsely give you a roaming warning. On the other hand, if you turn on roaming on the phone, you may in fact rack up big bills if your phone connects to a tower not in your network. Do you happen to be close to a border of another country?
As long as you have the right APN and frequency compatibility, it shouldn't matter how the phone is branded. I used a Canada Bell Desire Z in the US, and never got the roaming symbol.
As timmaaa mentioned, you should verify what frequency your carrier uses, and that the model of XL you have is compatible. Are you trying to connect to 3G (HSPA/UMTS) or LTE? For 3G, the 2100 MHz band is pretty standardized in Europe, although apparently some 850 Mh is used in Austria. LTE is much less standardized. You might try to toggle LTE off in Settings, to see if that helps.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
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What do you mean "various APN settings"? Are they the correct settings for your carrier?
As timmaaa mentioned, I don't think anyone here can answer that, unless perhaps if they are on your same carrier. It depends on how your network is setup, and the geographic factors.
For instance, if your carrier has arranged with other networks to share towers, it may falsely give you a roaming warning. On the other hand, if you turn on roaming on the phone, you may in fact rack up big bills if your phone connects to a tower not in your network. Do you happen to be close to a border of another country?
As long as you have the right APN and frequency compatibility, it shouldn't matter how the phone is branded. I used a Canada Bell Desire Z in the US, and never got the roaming symbol.
As timmaaa mentioned, you should verify what frequency your carrier uses, and that the model of XL you have is compatible. Are you trying to connect to 3G (HSPA/UMTS) or LTE? For 3G, the 2100 MHz band is pretty standardized in Europe, although apparently some 850 Mh is used in Austria. LTE is much less standardized. You might try to toggle LTE off in Settings, to see if that helps.
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
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Yes, the correct APN-settings for my carrier, 'bob'.
I live in vienna, capital city of austria. So no, I don't live near to a border or something like that.
I turned off LTE & now I'm using GSM / WCDMA. (It reads that under 'Network mode', I hope you mean that one)
I wrote a Mail to the shop where i got my phone from, let's see if i can send it back. If no, then I'd have to unlock bootloader/root/flash.
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I turned off LTE & now I'm using GSM / WCDMA. (It reads that under 'Network mode', I hope you mean that one)
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Yes, that is what I meant. If you are not using LTE, you should probably turn it off, anyway. Did this have any effect on the "Roaming" issue?
As far as I am aware, there is not truly "unbranded" version of the One X/XL (EVITA) as they all have some carrier customizations in the way of bloatware, boot splash screens, etc. Aside from the frequency compatibility (which you should still check) it probably won't make much difference if you exchange your Swiss version for the German one.
This is also assuming the German one you originally wanted is also the dual core EVITA. If you actually wanted the quad core ENDEAVORU, that is a completely different matter.
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Yes, that is what I meant. If you are not using LTE, you should probably turn it off, anyway. Did this have any effect on the "Roaming" issue?
As far as I am aware, there is not truly "unbranded" version of the One X/XL (EVITA) as they all have some carrier customizations in the way of bloatware, boot splash screens, etc. Aside from the frequency compatibility (which you should still check) it probably won't make much difference if you exchange your Swiss version for the German one.
This is also assuming the German one you originally wanted is also the dual core EVITA. If you actually wanted the quad core ENDEAVORU, that is a completely different matter.
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I ordered the HTC One X (endeavoru) without branding, and got the HTC One XL (evita) with swisscom branding instead.
I wrote a e-mail to the shop where I ordered my phone from, and now I'm waiting for the reply. If I can send it back for the one I've actually ordered, I don't need help anymore.
If not, I'd have to unbrand the XL and I would need some assistance. I'll keep you guys updated, thanks for the effort so far.
Unbenannt0412 said:
I ordered the HTC One X (endeavoru) without branding, and got the HTC One XL (evita) with swisscom branding instead.
I wrote a e-mail to the shop where I ordered my phone from, and now I'm waiting for the reply. If I can send it back for the one I've actually ordered, I don't need help anymore.
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They sent you a completely different phone from what you ordered: different chipset (dual core Snapdargon versus quad core Tegra), different band compatibility (EVITA has LTE), etc .
If they don't resolve the issue, its fraud and that is not a place you should be buying anything from, ever again. Have you looked into the return policy for this vendor? I would never order a phone or other technology from a vendor without knowing their return policy.
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They sent you a completely different phone from what you ordered: different chipset (dual core Snapdargon versus quad core Tegra), different band compatibility (EVITA has LTE), etc .
If they don't resolve the issue, its fraud and that is not a place you should be buying anything from, ever again. Have you looked into the return policy for this vendor? I would never order a phone or other technology from a vendor without knowing their return policy.
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It reads that I have 2 weeks time to return it, BUT the problem is: I didnt notice that it was the wrong phone in the beginning (Since the X & XL look so similar), so I unboxed it & turned it on. Don't know if I can return it, but as mentioned above: I'll ask if i have a question, in worst case I'd have to keep it... but I won't ever buy anything from this shop.
Unbenannt0412 said:
It reads that I have 2 weeks time to return it, BUT the problem is: I didnt notice that it was the wrong phone in the beginning (Since the X & XL look so similar), so I unboxed it & turned it on. Don't know if I can return it, but as mentioned above: I'll ask if i have a question, in worst case I'd have to keep it... but I won't ever buy anything from this shop.
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I believe the bottom line is they provided you with a different product than the one that they had represented in the sale. You should have every right to return the device as it isn't what you paid for. The fact that they're almost identical aesthetically should give you some leeway in opening the box. If they refuse to exchange the device, threaten to take the matter to the consumer watchdog in your country.
Sent from my Evita
timmaaa said:
I believe the bottom line is they provided you with a different product than the one that they had represented in the sale. You should have every right to return the device as it isn't what you paid for. The fact that they're almost identical aesthetically should give you some leeway in opening the box. If they refuse to exchange the device, threaten to take the matter to the consumer watchdog in your country.
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Fully agree on all points.
And the 2 week return window probably more applies to folks that "change their minds" about what they bought. They sent you the wrong thing, so its their fault, not yours; and they should give you leeway on the return period, as well as the open box.
If a VoLTE capable phone has the mbn files updated to use those of an AT&T white listed phone what would need to happen to get the phone active on AT&T's network?
healerdan said:
If a VoLTE capable phone has the mbn files updated to use those of an AT&T white listed phone what would need to happen to get the phone active on AT&T's network?
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The same as any other device, SIM/carrier unlock the device then activate the device on AT&T using an AT&T SIM.
I know what white list means but I don't understand what that has to do with what you are asking.
Also, just because the device is VoLTE capable, that does not necessarily mean you will be able to use the VoLTE feature on the AT&T network, even if you successfully activate the device on AT&T. VoLTE is controlled and regulated by the carrier, you will not be able to use VoLTE unless AT&T offers VoLTE support for your specific device, if they do not offer VoLTE support for your specific model number, you will not be able to use VoLTE on the AT&T network.
OP, it would help to know which model of phone.
My unlocked N10+ has no issues on AT&T.
Works identically to my AT&T N10+ variant.
Try talking to AT&T advanced technical support.
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The same as any other device, SIM/carrier unlock the device then activate the device on AT&T using an AT&T SIM.
I know what white list means but I don't understand what that has to do with what you are asking.
Also, just because the device is VoLTE capable, that does not necessarily mean you will be able to use the VoLTE feature on the AT&T network, even if you successfully activate the device on AT&T. VoLTE is controlled and regulated by the carrier, you will not be able to use VoLTE unless AT&T offers VoLTE support for your specific device, if they do not offer VoLTE support for your specific model number, you will not be able to use VoLTE on the AT&T network.
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Right. So VoLTE is a software program which must be present in the firmware of the phone. When AT&T developed their whitelist, they charged manufacturers to "certify" their VoLTE software on the AT&T network. The manufacturer of my phone (ASUS) along with many other manufacturers chose not to pay AT&T for the privilege of AT&T's customers continuing to use their (sometimes) relatively new devices (mine is barely two years old now, and I purchased it outright with the intention of using it for 5-6 years.)
So the software which runs VoLTE from my phone can be altered to work like one of AT&T's 'whitelisted' phones. This is discussed in this guide (as well as others) in which the final few steps has us replace the VoLTE programming with that of a phone from a different manufacturer.
My question is, supposing I can comfortably flash the .mbn file from a phone on AT&T's whitelist AND it works, what other information does AT&T have on my phone which might prevent my phone from connecting to their network? I believe that when I spoke to them and activated my IMEI they asked what phone I had. I think that based on the model information which I told them, it has been disabled*. If I were to tell them "oh, yeah, it's actually a Pixel 4" would there be any other checks which I'd have to spoof/bypass to continue using my phone?
*Also, I'm sure that my phone tried to make a 3g call which their system could have flagged. I'm working to reprogram my phone to only operate with VoLTE, so when I reactivate my phone that flag wouldn't reappear.
blackhawk said:
OP, it would help to know which model of phone.
My unlocked N10+ has no issues on AT&T.
Works identically to my AT&T N10+ variant.
Try talking to AT&T advanced technical support.
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I didn't feel that my specific model was relevant and figured there's plenty of others wondering a similar thing as AT&T's actions are causing many perfectly good phones to go to disuse. I wanted this thread to generally discuss VoLTE programming and what, if any, recourse a power user might have to program their own non-whitelisted phone to conform with AT&T's network demands.
As you asked, and I would certainly appreciate any personalized assistance, I am using an ASUS ROG ii. The phone is VoLTE capable, and is functional on T-mobile's network, but ASUS apparently didn't want to pay AT&T to "certify" the phone on AT&T's network. I know no stock firmware coming from ASUS will allow me to connect to AT&T's network, but a procedure described in this guide ends with us flashing the .mbn file of a different phone onto ours to utilize "known working" VoLTE software.
I'm sure finding an .mbn that matches both the ROG ii's hardware AND is compatible with AT&T's network isn't going to be a breeze, but assuming that's possible - what other hurdles might I face with AT&T? If I call them to have my phone activated and tell them it's a pixel 4 what happens if I've programmed my phone to communicate on their network as though it were a pixel 4?
I don't think AT&T really cares that much as they're making a killing on the service.
The worst they will do unless it's illegal or specified in writing is to not support the device as far as troubleshooting it. Oddly some techs there will go out of their way sometimes to help you find out of box solutions.
Once you update it you may have to ask them to do a network reset on their end.
I always try to verify a device I'm getting is 100% compatible with their network, if not I return it.
That's one of the first shake down tests I do with a new phone.
This is why
healerdan said:
I didn't feel that my specific model was relevant and figured there's plenty of others wondering a similar thing as AT&T's actions are causing many perfectly good phones to go to disuse. I wanted this thread to generally discuss VoLTE programming and what, if any, recourse a power user might have to program their own non-whitelisted phone to conform with AT&T's network demands.
As you asked, and I would certainly appreciate any personalized assistance, I am using an ASUS ROG ii. The phone is VoLTE capable, and is functional on T-mobile's network, but ASUS apparently didn't want to pay AT&T to "certify" the phone on AT&T's network. I know no stock firmware coming from ASUS will allow me to connect to AT&T's network, but a procedure described in this guide ends with us flashing the .mbn file of a different phone onto ours to utilize "known working" VoLTE software.
I'm sure finding an .mbn that matches both the ROG ii's hardware AND is compatible with AT&T's network isn't going to be a breeze, but assuming that's possible - what other hurdles might I face with AT&T? If I call them to have my phone activated and tell them it's a pixel 4 what happens if I've programmed my phone to communicate on their network as though it were a pixel 4?
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No, telling them you have a different phone isn't going to work. Your phone actually identifies itself to the network based upon a combination of hardware and software information that the network detects or receives from the device remotely, their job on the other end is to set their network up to provide service to the identified device and to identify the device and the service as yours. If you tell them that you have a Pixel 4 and they configure the network on their end to make VoLTE work with Pixel 4 then VoLTE more than likely will not work on your device because the system thinks you have Pixel 4 hardware and software when you actually don't. That is like asking a car parts store for a starter for a Ford engine when you actually need a starter for a Nissan engine, they'll give you what you ask for but it doesn't mean the Ford starter will actually work on the Nissan engine.
Trying to trick them into enabling VoLTE probably won't work, if their system does not offer VoLTE support for your hardware itself, you will not be able to use VoLTE.
It basically boils down to this, control of whether VoLTE will work for you or not is completely in their hands, not yours, it is all done from their end, there isn't really anything you can do from your end.
If you want to use VoLTE on their network, then you need to get a device that is compatible with their VoLTE service and is actually supported by their network.
Even if you find a shortcut to make VoLTE work, somehow, someway, you will not be satisfied with the end result.
Droidriven said:
If you tell them that you have a Pixel 4 and they configure the network on their end to make VoLTE work with Pixel 4 then VoLTE more than likely will not work on your device because the system thinks you have Pixel 4 hardware and software when you actually don't.
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I think you are missing the part where I am using (in this example) programming and hardware from a pixel 4. this is only partly a hardware problem, but there's not as wide an array of different hardware types as you seem to think. a cursory search shows my device utilizes a snapdragon 855, and an X50 modem. The Oneplus 6T, which is permitted on AT&T's network utilizes the exact same hardware. The difference between the two phones is that Oneplus was ready to pay AT&T to check their software engineer's work.
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That is like asking a car parts store for a starter for a Ford engine when you actually need a starter for a Nissan engine, they'll give you what you ask for but it doesn't mean the Ford starter will actually work on the Nissan engine.
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If you want a car analogy it would be more like... I purchased an after market starter which has the same bolt& spindle pattern, and electrical configuration BUT when I connected everything ford's on-board diagnostics refused to start using a non-ford component. In this scenario, I have already done the starter installation and software patch, and know that these two things are operating as they should. I am now reaching out to the modder's forum to see if anyone knows of any other checks the OBD does to verify the starter which I should take into account while designing my patch before I turn on my car.
Droidriven said:
Trying to trick them into enabling VoLTE probably won't work, if their system does not offer VoLTE support for your hardware itself, you will not be able to use VoLTE.
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See first response - the communications hardware is the same between my phone and other phones on their whitelist.
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It basically boils down to this, control of whether VoLTE will work for you or not is completely in their hands, not yours, it is all done from their end, there isn't really anything you can do from your end.
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VoLTE is just like any other communications protocol, it requires both devices to be able to communicate, and is a matter of both software and hardware. The thing that is lacking in my case is software, not hardware. and as the guide which I linked previously shows the software can be altered.
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Your phone actually identifies itself to the network based upon a combination of hardware and software information that the network detects or receives from the device remotely, their job on the other end is to set their network up to provide service to the identified device and to identify the device and the service as yours.
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This seems to be getting at what I'm actually asking. I'm trying to see what other items are involved in the "handshake" between my device and the network which might cause a flag. do you know what the "combination of hardware and software information" which the carrier's network uses to identify my phone would be, specifically?
healerdan said:
I think you are missing the part where I am using (in this example) programming and hardware from a pixel 4. this is only partly a hardware problem, but there's not as wide an array of different hardware types as you seem to think. a cursory search shows my device utilizes a snapdragon 855, and an X50 modem. The Oneplus 6T, which is permitted on AT&T's network utilizes the exact same hardware. The difference between the two phones is that Oneplus was ready to pay AT&T to check their software engineer's work.
If you want a car analogy it would be more like... I purchased an after market starter which has the same bolt& spindle pattern, and electrical configuration BUT when I connected everything ford's on-board diagnostics refused to start using a non-ford component. In this scenario, I have already done the starter installation and software patch, and know that these two things are operating as they should. I am now reaching out to the modder's forum to see if anyone knows of any other checks the OBD does to verify the starter which I should take into account while designing my patch before I turn on my car.
See first response - the communications hardware is the same between my phone and other phones on their whitelist.
VoLTE is just like any other communications protocol, it requires both devices to be able to communicate, and is a matter of both software and hardware. The thing that is lacking in my case is software, not hardware. and as the guide which I linked previously shows the software can be altered.
This seems to be getting at what I'm actually asking. I'm trying to see what other items are involved in the "handshake" between my device and the network which might cause a flag. do you know what the "combination of hardware and software information" which the carrier's network uses to identify my phone would be, specifically?
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Actually, my car analogy was accurate, I don't think I explained why as well as I could have. The hardware/software differences that I'm referring to equate to the differing parts having the same purpose and same function but having differening bolt patterns the same as a Ford/Nissan starter sharing the same purpose and function but have differing bolt patterns.
Yes, another device might share the same hardware components and be approved but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is cross compatibility because the two devices have other differences that come into play.
When I say "if they support your hardware", I am not referring to ONLY the radio hardware, I mean the whole device being different hardware, which means differences in kernel also because kernel and hardware are very closely related which comes into play because these components also play a part in identifying the device remotely. Using a kernel from another device won't work either because the "other" hardware differences between the devices would cause the kernel from another device to brick your device.
You can modify software and you can emulate software but emulation at the hardware level isn't really feasible for android.
Some of the "handshakes" that identify your device come from things that if you modify them to make the network see your device as a different device, it may cause your device to lose functionality, other parts are illegal in certain places so they can't be discussed here.
It is such a rabbit hole that it is just all around more sensible to just use a device that is compatible without modifying. If you want to use VoLTE on AT&T, you'll have more success by playing their game because they hold the cards.
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