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Raphael Release Dates / Preorders etc..

Figured a thread would be good to see when the Raphael is rumoured to be released and up for sale around the globe.
Perhaps replying in the following format would be useful:
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Country: UK
Site/Vendor: MobileFun.co.uk
Date of Release: TBA
Offers Pre-Order: Yes
Comments Below:
Currently still waiting on the dates from the site but they have a section already set up for the Touch Pro (Raphael) and assure me they are offering preorders once they have more info from HTC. Bought my Hermes from them and they were excellent to deal with.
Mobilefun_Support_email said:
Dear MrVanx,
We will have it on pre order sometime next week and we will definitely be selling it.
Thanks
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This was a responce back in June, theyve been really good before so there must be a delay getting info from HTC perhaps.
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EDIT:: Ive added the release info to the Raphael Wiki pages HERE

expansys says it will be on sale on 4th of august

lol well that lasted long!
Lets try and get the info into the thread guys, like the template above.

Never buy a phone in Mexico! look at the price....
Country: Mexico
Site/Vendor: http://www.expansys.com.mx/p.aspx?i=169845
Date of Release: Aug 4
Offers Pre-Order: Yes
Price: 14,734.95 Mexican Peso = 1,450.65 US Dollar
Impossible to buy it here!
Cheers

Country: NL
Site/Vendor: smartphoneshop.nl
Date of Release: TBA
Offers Pre-Order: No
First in Line

I've been watching for release of this for a few months now. so....
Country: UK
Site/Vendor: expansys
Date of Release: 4th August (rumoured)
Offers Pre-Order: Yes
Country: UK
Site/Vendor: HTC Direct
Date of Release: 30th August
Offers Pre-Order: Yes
Country: UK
Site/Vendor: Handtec
Date of Release: Mid August
Offers Pre-Order: Yes
Country: UK
Site/Vendor: Devicewire
Date of Release: TBA
Offers Pre-Order: Not last time I checked

on these uk sites can u still buy if your in the U.S.??? and if so will it b more money???

sweden
site: http://www.katshing.se
pre order: yes
release date: 14th august
swedish version with åäö keyboard.
he.. yes i am first in line

Belgium
site: http://www.netintro.be
pre order: yes
release date: second week of august
Price: 627,99 € incl. VAT

Belgium
site: http://www.expansys.be/p.aspx?i=169420
pre order: yes
release date: 5 august
Price: 664,96 € incl. VAT

The MDA Vario IV is available from t-mobile UK and has been available for about 1 week.
I can have one now for £130 or I can wait a 2 bill cycles and have one for free.
Decisions, decisions

kforman3 said:
on these uk sites can u still buy if your in the U.S.??? and if so will it b more money???
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Usually yes and yes. But what would be the point if you get the Euro version to use in the 'States (I'm assuming it'll be primarily used in the 'States, right?) when it won't support AT&T's 3G frequencies? It'll still work, but you'd be running on EDGE at best and for a phone like this, it's a little silly...

compact_bijou said:
The MDA Vario IV is available from t-mobile UK and has been available for about 1 week.
I can have one now for £130 or I can wait a 2 bill cycles and have one for free.
Decisions, decisions
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Whereabouts is it on thier site? All I can see is the MDA Compact IV (Diamond)

edgie168 said:
Usually yes and yes. But what would be the point if you get the Euro version to use in the 'States (I'm assuming it'll be primarily used in the 'States, right?) when it won't support AT&T's 3G frequencies? It'll still work, but you'd be running on EDGE at best and for a phone like this, it's a little silly...
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Isnt 3G in the states 2100MHz??

Expansys USA has it listed...
so it will come to US shores:
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=169845
Release date is listed as 4th August. Note the radio data:
HSDPA/WCDMA:
- Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
- Up to 384 kbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
* Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent)
So this suggests HSDPA but not UPA. Also shows Quad-band GSM, but then has that odd parenthetical comment about operators...
So do these frequencies support US (e.g. AT&T) HSDPA? GSM seems to be covered.
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Yeah; it doesn't look like it will be US 3G compatible. Which sucks; a lot.
I think the US 3G is at 850 MHz... And the world bands are the 900/2100MHz. I know that GSM/GPRS/EDGE runs on 850 already, but that's how the US is...

USA 3g/umts frequencies are 1900..maybe 850 in the future but not anytime soon

mrvanx said:
Whereabouts is it on thier site? All I can see is the MDA Compact IV (Diamond)
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It won't be on the t-mobile web site for "another few weeks" but it is available now to those who qualify for an upgrade or have the sponds.

compact_bijou said:
The MDA Vario IV is available from t-mobile UK and has been available for about 1 week.
I can have one now for £130 or I can wait a 2 bill cycles and have one for free.
Decisions, decisions
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It's not out yet. Probably not till mid August

Johnston411 said:
It's not out yet. Probably not till mid August
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The MDA Vario IV, categorically, is available now. It has been available for "about a week" it will not appear on the website "for a few more weeks"
I can have one delivered tomorrow (but I prefer to wait until I get it for free)
The initial offer may only be open to "high value, long term customers".
when I called to enquire about availability of the Diamond (compact IV) last Sunday I was told there were about 22 left out of 70 available
but I was not given any information about the MDA Vario IV being available, despite asking.
As usual, not all CSRs are as clued up as they ought to be but what I've written here is fact.
IF you can prove otherwise, please do. I have been around long enough to know not to post inaccurate information.
If you have been TOLD otherwise, please make that clear, that you were told otherwise

[Q] Does flashing International D821 modem to US D820 (Nexus5) enable D821 LTE bands?

Hi
I'm planning to purchase US version of nexus 5 from playstore because it is much cheaper than the international one
But what stopping me right now is that it doesn't support 1800 MHz LTE (Band 3), so for me it will be only on HSDPA+
If I flash the modem firmware of the international version to US one, Does it enable the international bands?
I'm supposed that the 2 models share the same internal.

ameer456 said:
Hi
I'm planning to purchase US version of nexus 5 from playstore because it is much cheaper than the international one
But what stopping me right now is that it doesn't support 1800 MHz LTE (Band 3), so for me it will be only on HSDPA+
If I flash the modem firmware of the international version to US one, Does it enable the international bands?
I'm supposed that the 2 models share the same internal.
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Was wondering about this also, i ordered a 32GB N5 from the US through a friend but it supports different LTE bands. If i had the phone i would certainly try to flash the radio and let you know.

According to leaked manual (that for D820 international one) The chip that handle LTE bands are: WTR1605L (Qualcomm) which support 7 bands
What I thought, is that google did choose 7 bands for US , and another 7 for the rest of the world:
LG-D820 (North American Model): LTE bands 2/4/5/17/25/26/41
LG-D821 (International Model): LTE bands 1/3/5/7/8/20/41
But the question, is that a change on a system level or at hardware level?

ameer456 said:
According to leaked manual (that for D820 international one) The chip that handle LTE bands are: WTR1605L (Qualcomm) which support 7 bands
What I thought, is that google did choose 7 bands for US , and another 7 for the rest of the world:
LG-D820 (North American Model): LTE bands 2/4/5/17/25/26/41
LG-D821 (International Model): LTE bands 1/3/5/7/8/20/41
But the question, is that a change on a system level or at hardware level?
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I think its a hardware level and the bands are predetermined cause the Google factory images are the same afaik. So changing LTE bands support is probably not possible.

If this was possible Google would just have one model. The fact that they had to split phones to cover most of the world is obviously a hardware limitation.
Sent from my Nexus 4

Chipset problems
Nexus 4 Transceiver chipset is Qualcom WTR1605L, same as Nexus 5 and it still DID NOT support all LTE bands.
Apparently you need PAs (Power Amplifiers) for certain bands accompanied with modems too. This shall increase battery consumption in return, this is why Google couldn't support all LTE bands on their D820 editions.
The Avago ACPM-7251 chipset is the PA of the Nexus 4, supported two UCMTS/LTE bands 1 & 5 - this is how some users were able to flash Nexus 4 devices and lock on LTE bands in Canada - and It totally depends on the PA of the D820, which we still don't know what it's going to be.
Please check the tear-down of the Nexus 4.
Conclusion: It's a hardware problem and CAN NOT be simply fixed by flashing the ROM; but we still have to wait and see the new PA of the device.

ameer456 said:
Hi
I'm planning to purchase US version of nexus 5 from playstore because it is much cheaper than the international one
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Slightly off topic, but how is it cheaper? You'll have to pay import tax on the US one if you ship it internationally, so it ends up more expensive...?
Seems you're making it a lot harder for yourself. Just buy the right one for your region as it'll cost the same and you'll have a valid warranty.

AndiTails said:
Slightly off topic, but how is it cheaper? You'll have to pay import tax on the US one if you ship it internationally, so it ends up more expensive...?
Seems you're making it a lot harder for yourself. Just buy the right one for your region as it'll cost the same and you'll have a valid warranty.
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Not quite true, a 16GB N5 costs 399 euro`s in the Netherlands and i ordered a US 32GB model by a friend wich will cost me 370 euro`s total including shipping.

But you've only achieved that price by evading import tax into the EU by going via your friend.
You could've got it for nothing if you stole it.. doesn't mean it's the 'cheapest' way

mickey.shehata said:
Nexus 4 Transceiver chipset is Qualcom WTR1605L, same as Nexus 5 and it still DID NOT support all LTE bands.
Apparently you need PAs (Power Amplifiers) for certain bands accompanied with modems too. This shall increase battery consumption in return, this is why Google couldn't support all LTE bands on their D820 editions.
The Avago ACPM-7251 chipset is the PA of the Nexus 4, supported two UCMTS/LTE bands 1 & 5 - this is how some users were able to flash Nexus 4 devices and lock on LTE bands in Canada - and It totally depends on the PA of the D820, which we still don't know what it's going to be.
Please check the tear-down of the Nexus 4.
Conclusion: It's a hardware problem and CAN NOT be simply fixed by flashing the ROM; but we still have to wait and see the new PA of the device.
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i thought PAs were for different frequencies not bands

AndiTails said:
But you've only achieved that price by evading import tax into the EU by going via your friend.
You could've got it for nothing if you stole it.. doesn't mean it's the 'cheapest' way
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My heart is bleeding for the Dutch Revenue Service The second sentence in your post is just plain nonsense.

Correction
qwerty warrior said:
i thought PAs were for different frequencies not bands
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Sorry, frequencies within the bands.

AndiTails said:
Slightly off topic, but how is it cheaper? You'll have to pay import tax on the US one if you ship it internationally, so it ends up more expensive...?
Seems you're making it a lot harder for yourself. Just buy the right one for your region as it'll cost the same and you'll have a valid warranty.
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gee2012 said:
Not quite true, a 16GB N5 costs 399 euro`s in the Netherlands and i ordered a US 32GB model by a friend wich will cost me 370 euro`s total including shipping.
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Actually, I always purchase devices from US playstore shipping to Delaware (no tax from online stores when shipping to this state) and using a forwarding shipment (about 14$/KG) to ship it to my country
So, in case of nexus 5 (32GB) the cost will be = 399$ + (shipping to delaware) + 14$ (shipping to Saudi Arabia) = 425$ (about 267 British pound or 314 euro)
UK playstore = 339 GBP (including £58.16 VAT) + £10 shipping + 14$ shipping to KSA = 358£ (573$) (418 euro)
573$-425$= Saving 148$ when purchasing from US
Now, if I could refund the VAT (since I'm not from UK) the difference in cost between UK & US = 148$ - (£58.16) 93$ = 55$
Not that much but I don't know how to refund VAT

ameer456 said:
Actually, I always purchase devices from US playstore shipping to Delaware (no tax from online stores when shipping to this state) and using a forwarding shipment (about 14$/KG) to ship it to my country
So, in case of nexus 5 (32GB) the cost will be = 399$ + (shipping to delaware) + 14$ (shipping to Saudi Arabia) = 425$ (about 267 British pound or 314 euro)
UK playstore = 339 GBP (including £58.16 VAT) + £10 shipping + 14$ shipping to KSA = 358£ (573$) (418 euro)
573$-425$= Saving 148$ when purchasing from US
Now, if I could refund the VAT (since I'm not from UK) the difference in cost between UK & US = 148$ - (£58.16) 93$ = 55$
Not that much but I don't know how to refund VAT
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What shipping forwarding company are you using?

zorbakun said:
What shipping forwarding company are you using?
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Our local post made some agreement with a US shipping company (iparcel) so it can forward the parcels from USA to KSA as a middle company, unfortunately it will apply only to the local people who have a valid home address, they are very slow by the way but cheaper than any other alternatives.

Hi
mickey.shehata said:
Nexus 4 Transceiver chipset is Qualcom WTR1605L, same as Nexus 5 and it still DID NOT support all LTE bands.
Apparently you need PAs (Power Amplifiers) for certain bands accompanied with modems too. This shall increase battery consumption in return, this is why Google couldn't support all LTE bands on their D820 editions.
The Avago ACPM-7251 chipset is the PA of the Nexus 4, supported two UCMTS/LTE bands 1 & 5 - this is how some users were able to flash Nexus 4 devices and lock on LTE bands in Canada - and It totally depends on the PA of the D820, which we still don't know what it's going to be.
Please check the tear-down of the Nexus 4.
Conclusion: It's a hardware problem and CAN NOT be simply fixed by flashing the ROM; but we still have to wait and see the new PA of the device.
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The chip is the ACPM 7600 according to the service manual. Can't seem to find any info on this.
Regards
Phil

Nexus 4 teardown
PhilipL said:
Hi
The chip is the ACPM 7600 according to the service manual. Can't seem to find any info on this. This means that it is locked through the firmware.
Regards
Phil
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The 7600 was used on the Galaxy Note 3, supported both 3G and LTE bands.
The 7251 is used on Nexus 4, I have attached a photo for your reference too and outlined the chip on the mother board of the nexus 4.

Eh, I also ordered a 32gig n5 from the US because they only sell 16 gig versions here in switzerland. So I won't be able to use lte here? **** >.<
Sent from my Nexus7.

gee2012 said:
Not quite true, a 16GB N5 costs 399 euro`s in the Netherlands and i ordered a US 32GB model by a friend wich will cost me 370 euro`s total including shipping.
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AndiTails said:
But you've only achieved that price by evading import tax into the EU by going via your friend.
You could've got it for nothing if you stole it.. doesn't mean it's the 'cheapest' way
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Here in Israel the N5 16gb (D821) costs $800... LTE is a pipe dream anyhow due to fights between the carriers and Min. of Communications over band allocation... With tax and shipping to NYC its $390... I think I'm OK with evading the import tax $125 (35%) and $275 premium for a two year warranty? for a new phone which I generally get every year... by ordering and sending it with my sister who comes next month...

D4rkSoRRoW said:
Eh, I also ordered a 32gig n5 from the US because they only sell 16 gig versions here in switzerland. So I won't be able to use lte here? **** >.<
Sent from my Nexus7.
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Thats correct, no Euro LTE (D821) on a US device (D820) The only common band on both devices is Band 5 which isn`t used in Europe afaik.

[Q] Would you pay 120Eur more just for the warranty?

The price in Europe for the nexus 5 (16gb Model) is 350 EUR but in my country, since we don't have a playstore, the price is 470 EUR.The only thing that stops me from buying the phone from another country is the warranty.
So my choices are:
Buy the phone for 350 EUR from another country, without warranty
Buy the phone for 470 EUR from my country, with warranty
What would you do?

icewavedesign said:
The price in Europe for the nexus 5 (16gb Model) is 350 EUR but in my country, since we don't have a playstore, the price is 470 EUR.The only thing that stops me from buying the phone from another country is the warranty.
So my choices are:
Buy the phone for 350 EUR from another country, without warranty
Buy the phone for 470 EUR from my country, with warranty
What would you do?
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In Gemany and the Netherlands the retail price is 399 euro`s for the 16GB model. Keep in mind that on the US D820 device European LTE will NOT be supported because of the different radio chip.

gee2012 said:
In Gemany and the Netherlands the retail price is 399 euro`s for the 16GB model. Keep in mind that on the US D820 device European LTE will NOT be supported because of the different radio chip.
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Thanks! I know, I don't plan buying it from USA since in Spain/Italy/UK the phone is ~350 EUR...

icewavedesign said:
Thanks! I know, I don't plan buying it from USA since in Spain/Italy/UK the phone is ~350 EUR...
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350 is a descent price for this phone, the Note 3 is almost 2 times as high

Moto X Play - Available for order (Brazil)

Hi , they just started taking orders for Moto X Play in Brazil, Delivery time about 5 Days , i just ordered the 32Gb Model .
They are selling the Moto X play 32 gb with an extra blue back cover for R$ 1423,00 ( Around U$ 412 dollars tax incl. )
and MOTO X Play 16gb for R$ 1329,00 ( Around U$ 379,00 tax incl.)
I Still don't know the Model Number , but they are selling without contract , no carrier bloatware .
Currently i own a Galaxy S6 Edge, Moto X 2 gen Vintage Leather and an iPhone 6. I will be buying the Moto X Style when it become available. I'll post when it arrive next week, pictures and my thoughts about size, weight , display and camera.
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Update: Just got the Moto X Play , it is bigger, it feels bigger. Now it seems to identify when it's Turbo Charging . Will post more after i charge it and stat using it, here are some pictures.

Can I buy the Motorola X Play in the United States and take it to Brazil with me? I want to take it with me to Brazil in December and give it to my girlfriend as a Christmas present.

dalegg said:
Can I buy the Motorola X Play in the United States and take it to Brazil with me? I want to take it with me to Brazil in December and give it to my girlfriend as a Christmas present.
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Well, we have to wait a few weeks to see the specs , bands etc.. But if you buy it unlocked , big chances it will work fine, 4G and all, my Moto X 2 gen. bought in Brazil works fine in US using T-Mobile ( LTE Bands are fine) .

you can pre-order it in Germany, too.
Conrad.de seems to be receiving it starting Monday -- the only problem is that they are not shipping outside Germany. This, of course, can be tricked if you are from the EU (using services like mailboxde.com).
the price is also very competitive there, only 349 EUR (compared to Amazon.co.uk asking for the same config 346GBP!)

eXelero said:
you can pre-order it in Germany, too.
Conrad.de seems to be receiving it starting Monday -- the only problem is that they are not shipping outside Germany. This, of course, can be tricked if you are from the EU (using services like mailboxde.com).
the price is also very competitive there, only 349 EUR (compared to Amazon.co.uk asking for the same config 346GBP!)
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I guess (hope) that the Amazon price is just a placeholder. Anyway, it's available to preorder on expansys too.

you're right, they updated the price now and it's 270GBP, which is around 380EUR. that is now only 30EUR more than what the german store asks for the same device.

in germany store 10-12 days no?
i'am living spain, but i want to buy, only moto maker code ship 1-3 days?

in brazil is dual sim? i need lte bands.. 3, 7 and 20

paorpas said:
in brazil is dual sim? i need lte bands.. 3, 7 and 20
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Yes, i didn't knew that when i ordered, mine just arrive, and it's in fact dual NANO sim. I know it has Band 7, coz it's the one used around here. Will post more soon as i have more info.

i want battery test i ordered in clove.co.uk

Per the manufacturer's website the XT1563 supports these LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 28

Hi paorpas. Did you bought Moto X xt1563 dual sim. Runs correctly in Spain? Where do you ordered it?

India Launch Date.

Any news about it...
Thank you

Only site I've seen so far is Gearbest (not sure if they send anything to India).

It's coming to India. I saw it's ad on Flipkart like a day or two back. But now it's missing.

Coming soon on Flipkart for around 30k or lower base model

Aftab_khatri said:
Coming soon on Flipkart for around 30k or lower base model
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Yupp. It'll be for 29999.
Btw, same name... Aftab

Xebeck said:
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Yupp. It'll be for 29999.
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Interesting, because the basic configuration costs 499 EUR in Europe, much more.

_jis_ said:
Interesting, because the basic configuration costs 499 EUR in Europe, much more.
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Zenfone 5z also launched at 499 Euros in Europe.... But 29,999 in India.
So... Hopefully....

In India it would be avaliable on Flipkart
India it will be available on Flipkart by starting mid week of June. Base model would be around INR 30-33k.