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I have done some searching but couldn't really find any good answers to my question.
I would like to know if it would be possible to have android honeycomb as the main boot os for my laptop which I would want to then link directly to my TV for the picture output.
Has anyone ever tried anything like this?
How do i go about it if it is possible, I have read about the android live CD boot for PC's but these look old, will they work for Honeycomb, and wouldn't it be better to have it directly running from the harddrive.
Another concern of mine is would honeycomb os on a PC use the mouse and keyboard inputs with no touchscreen being possible / available, and would the USB / cdrom, TV outputs, wireless and network cards etc all be recognised and useable by Honeycomb?
That's a very good idea, I'd like to know more about this
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For such purpose (Android as TV set top box) I would rather use some Hardware like i.e. BeagleBoard. There's also an Android port available (http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/) which is currently running FroYo. I'm sure there will also be Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc. in the future.
I would rather not purchase new hardware if I don't need to. I have this laptop doing nothing and want to put it to use this way if possible.
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I would like to know the answer for this question too
i'm a fan of bigscreen
i plan to purchase acer iconia 6120 dual screen laptop if somehow i can manage to get honeycomb installed on standard laptop
or maybe later with windows 8
hmmm, yummy
I think Honeycomb still needs to use the touchscreen now and then, even with a keyboard and mouse. You might want to try Chrome OS, since that's designed for laptops.
err, acer iconia 6120 is a dual touchscreen laptop
you got laptop hardware but both touchscreen with virtual keyboard
thats why i brought up honeycomb, since its touch based
and windows 8 prolly in the future
Since a view weeks there is an Acer Aspire One with Win 7 Starter and Android as dualboot.
Maybe it is now possible to get Android on standard Notebooks?!
cu, Gurry
iam realy interessted in this, so umpup:
is it possible to run a honeycomb as main boot on a laptop? because why booting win and co if u just wanna check some emails, vistit some websites and i dont know ( yeah i know u can do this all with your smartphone, but wouldnt it be exiting to have it on your laptop too ? )
I have an old laptop and would love to have Android running on it, also my TV is running a customized version of Linux, i wonder if it would be possible to incorporate Android OS into it too. It's a Philips TV and some of their newer models are Android based.
Last weekend I got some Toshiba netbook (Nvidia Tegra chipset) on my hands running Froyo. A normal screen (no touch) and a keyboard just like normal netbooks. It was a pain in the a** to work with. I don't think Honeycomb will change that, since it's optimized for tablets. However, a combination of a touchscreen and a hardware keyboard would be nice, though.
Anyway, it should be possible to run Android on x86 devices, too, but I don't see any point for doing so. Why not just install Ubuntu?
The dual-form nature of this item would fit a dual-boot scenario perfectly. Boot into Android when used as a tablet, boot into Ubuntu when docked. Just curious as to the possibility of this.
As far as I know, Ubuntu supports ARM architecture, so the Tegra 2 chip should work well with it. I'm not familiar with the touch screen driver support in Ubuntu, but I remember when I modded my old EeePC netbook with a touch screen, I was able to install third party touch screen drivers without any problem. Then again, even if the touchscreen won't work, when docked it has the mouse and keyboard anyway.
Are there any devs working on this, or know what the feasibility of such an endeavor would be?
Thanks!
Let me know when I can dual boot into Linux Mint.
I'm wondering if the webtop from atrix can be ported to work here.
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PGibbons999 said:
Let me know when I can dual boot into Linux Mint.
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Linux Mint is based off of Ubuntu, so if you can get one working, you can get the other. However, vanilla Ubuntu has three times the user base, so I feel that would be the best bet, considering the much larger community support.
Definitely should be a project someone works on
Should be very easy to boot ubuntu alongside android. Got a lot of spare ram on these systems.
This of course means running ubuntu with a vnc server, and connecting to localhost. Which is far from optimal. But it works atleast. That's what I plan to do when I get the tablet.
Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
nurre said:
Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
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Not unless we get an ARM SDK. There is nothing I would like more than to be able to develop for my tablet on my tablet, but right now it is not possible, even with Ubuntu.
Ubuntu 11.04 was just released with the new Unity interface standardized. I'm not sure how well the Tegra 2 can handle it, but there's also Unity 2D, which looks great.
And the touchscreen interface looks lovely:
http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/utouch/
I'm getting excited, I really hope we can get this working!
nurre said:
Should be very easy to boot ubuntu alongside android. Got a lot of spare ram on these systems.
This of course means running ubuntu with a vnc server, and connecting to localhost. Which is far from optimal. But it works atleast. That's what I plan to do when I get the tablet.
Hell with wireless adb there's a decent chance I'll be able to run up eclipse and build apps directly to and from the tablet
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This was already done on the Xoom I believe.
ZaelFaroe said:
Not unless we get an ARM SDK. There is nothing I would like more than to be able to develop for my tablet on my tablet, but right now it is not possible, even with Ubuntu.
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A very good point :/, oh well. I can still do my normal development
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A very good point :/, oh well. I can still do my normal development
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From what I understand, Eclipse is actually built entirely on Java. Is anyone aware of a full java environment for ARM Linux?
The problem isn't eclipse being based on Java, the problem is the Android SDK plug-in (which specifies x86). It could be that you only need x86 for the emulator or for the USB drivers (I don't know), but it could also be something else where none of the plug-in will work on ARM. You could probably do development (write code), but you probably couldn't compile to apk or test at all. People on PPC Macs already have this issue. It appears that the source code for the SDK is publicly available so maybe we could get it working, but I think that might be more effort than it is worth at this point in time.
But this is getting off topic. We need Ubuntu (or other full linux distro) before the rest of this is even remotely possible.
They have Ubuntu working on some of the old Windows Mobile phones (check out the HTC Touch Pro 2 / Rhodium). Isn't that an ARM based CPU?
Yes, Ubuntu should have no problem working on ARM. The only questions on Ubuntu are the drivers and bootloader.
Getting linux up and running shouldn't be hard. It's done on most modern cell phones already. And the cut down versions are normally due to limitations in hardware.
The only part that sucks is the vnc localhost solution which is generally being deployed, it's not exactly optimal performance wise.
nurre said:
The only part that sucks is the vnc localhost solution which is generally being deployed, it's not exactly optimal performance wise.
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The best way to deal with this problem would probably to get X11 working with Android's graphics stack (mostly OpenGL) as a backend- sort of like Xephyr, or Wayland's embedding of X11 (basing the work on Wayland's work might be the easiest, since they already use OpenGL ES).
That should deliver near-native performance, with full hardware acceleration.
I'd think the best way to structure it would be to have an app you launch within Android that connects to the X11 server and just pushes the final image to the screen (akin to what Wayland does). That should make it reasonable practical to move between Android and Unity (/Gnome/KDE/etc) without too much weirdities.
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For doing Android development on Android, until there's a native SDK, you could use X11's network transparency to be running Eclipse on a remote machine via SSH, using port forwarding to allow the remote machine to connect back over the tunnel for ADB. It's ugly, but it should work (assuming you have a network connection... and a working x11!).
Initially thought this would be a huge reverse enginering job, but look and behold : http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/news/linux-tegra-released !
Did anyone actually tried to run any Linux distro on it?
Is there any dev working on the question ?
Having a Android/Ubuntu tablet with an actual removable keyboard good me a huge advantage in terms of productivity/entertainment share... !!
nordicfastware said:
Is there any dev working on the question ?
Having a Android/Ubuntu tablet with an actual removable keyboard good me a huge advantage in terms of productivity/entertainment share... !!
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+1 for that
Sorry if this is a very dumb and n00b question, just I cannot seem to find the answer anywhere.....
HP has recently released Open webOS 1.0 that can be used to installed on tablets and phones. Unfortunately HP has decided not to support their legacy devices like the HP Veer, HP Pre3 and HP Touchpad :crying:
All these devices use Qualcomm chipsets (MSM7230 (Also used in G2/Desire Z), MSM8255 (Also used in a variety of HTC phones (Desire HD, Desire S, Incredible S etc)) and APQ8060 respectively).
Seeing that there are custom Android roms available with 3.x kernel for these chipsets, it seems that there are also 3.x drivers available that are known to work on Android 3.0.x kernels.
Can these same drivers be used on the non-Android 3.3 kernel that is used by Open webOS without modification? If not, why not? How much changes would be required? Is this 10%, 20% or a complete rewrite of the drivers?
Just wondering I read that there are development on running unbuntu on the TF700 (dual boot I think?)
what is the status of that and how stable/reliable is it? It would be great if I can run linux on it and have a true desktop experience.
also any word on if anyone ported Windows 8 RT on this thing? there is an asus table+Dock that have similiar specs to the tf700 that runs Windows RT.
Andriod + Unbuntu + Windows RT triple boot would be a wet dream for me
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geniv said:
Just wondering I read that there are development on running unbuntu on the TF700 (dual boot I think?)
what is the status of that and how stable/reliable is it? It would be great if I can run linux on it and have a true desktop experience.
also any word on if anyone ported Windows 8 RT on this thing? there is an asus table+Dock that have similiar specs to the tf700 that runs Windows RT.
Andriod + Unbuntu + Windows RT triple boot would be a wet dream for me
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Linux runs great, other than a workaround needed for sleep, pretty much everything thing else works fine. Kexecboot allows for multiboot of pretty much anything, ubuntu, android and ubuntu touch (no reason it wouldn't work if the kernel is patched for kexec, but afaik it hasn't been tested). The only way we would ever be able to run windows rt is if Microsoft/ Asus released the tf600 firmware, bootloader etc (will never happen).
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Linux runs great, other than a workaround needed for sleep, pretty much everything thing else works fine. Kexecboot allows for multiboot of pretty much anything, ubuntu, android and ubuntu touch (no reason it wouldn't work if the kernel is patched for kexec, but afaik it hasn't been tested). The only way we would ever be able to run windows rt is if Microsoft/ Asus released the tf600 firmware, bootloader etc (will never happen).
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from searching it seems like only Unbuntu linux can run on it. but the youtube videos I seen are like 8 months old and the development on thread on XDA seems to be closed for some reason.
In this state is Unbuntu fast/stable enough to be used as a daily driver?
can I get software from the software center app like how unbuntu is on my desktop or do the apps have to be designed specifically for the arm version of unbuntu? (I'm trying to get stuff like libre office, adacity and gimp running on it)
where is the latest info on dual booting to it? I got cromix 5.2.3 installed.
sorry if I seems to ask too much I'm still new to this
THANKS FOR THE HELP AND HAPPY HOLIDAY!
geniv said:
from searching it seems like only Unbuntu linux can run on it. but the youtube videos I seen are like 8 months old and the development on thread on XDA seems to be closed for some reason.
In this state is Unbuntu fast/stable enough to be used as a daily driver?
can I get software from the software center app like how unbuntu is on my desktop or do the apps have to be designed specifically for the arm version of unbuntu? (I'm trying to get stuff like libre office, adacity and gimp running on it)
where is the latest info on dual booting to it? I got cromix 5.2.3 installed.
sorry if I seems to ask too much I'm still new to this
THANKS FOR THE HELP AND HAPPY HOLIDAY!
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Basically any armhf distro will run, debian, gentoo etc but it will require prepping the rootfs to work with our solution. For now ubuntu 13.04 and arch linux are supported, also its pretty easy to use debootstrap to setup up your own debian based rootfs.
ubuntu/ linux can be easily used as a daily driver, we have working 2d and 3d acceleration so it feels like your working on an ordinary notebook.
Packages need to be compiled for armhf, but pretty much everything is compatible(all your above examples work fine.)
For info, look in the threads started by @workdowg in the general section, we also have kexecboot, which is more flexible but does require some setting up
I really like the hardware offering from Asus on the ZenPad S 8.0.
I can't find any good windows 10 tablets, does anyone know if you can install windows 10 on a ZenPad?
Thanks!
I'm wondering the same thing.
i think you need the replace the bios or something so that the tablet can boot from a usb
+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.
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+1 for interest, on the concept anyway. If Windows can boot, Linux shouldn't be much harder (might even be easier), and I'd be far more interested in that.
In order to use Windows on this tablet, you'd either have to hope it has drivers built-in for whichever architecture it boots in (good luck if it boots 32-bit UEFI like some Intel devices do), or hope there's drivers available that would be compatible. Linux has a much better shot at working on this tablet as-is.
Can't quite understand why this tablet out-the-box is only locked to Android though... Could have easily offered a dual-boot scenario, or even outright just allowed any x86-compliant OS to be installed. But having just Android on this tablet is overkill in my opinion.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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Actually not, since Windows licencing is no longer paid for devices under 10 inches.
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Because they would have to charge more if it was native compatible with windows, for the windows licensing.
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You don't include Windows, you just simply make it have a generic x86_64-compliant legacy or UEFI bootloader.
Windows licensing doesn't apply to a device that doesn't come with Windows considering the device doesn't ship with Windows (or at least I would think).
I would still love to see a rom of windows 10 i could load. At the moment, I just use splashtop if i really need windows functionality on my tablet, and since I work from home, it's not too bad, lan Splashtop is pretty good, especially with a good router.
I'm interested in this tablet since it's on sale right now, but I don't have the money. Should I ever get one I'd totally install Arch Linux or something. If anyone has one of these and attempts this, please start a dev thread or something to document the project.
Just so we're clear, this is the tablet we're all hoping to install Windows 10/Linux onto, right? http://bit.ly/1kaRhIZ
I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!
Ryuhouji said:
I just to bump this again, the z580c has been out for over a year now, hoping someone has a custom or aftermarket ROM for this thing. Links will be appreciated!
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Or at least some way to change to Windows. This is a great tablet, but it comes with the wrong OS.
Bootloader is still locked. Until that's changed, no alternative OS.