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[Q] My Nexus S won't boot at all... Help, please

Hi
I'm facing a problem with my Nexus S, before it was working... but, unfourtunatlly i just make some modification in the system file and now my phone not working and stuck at the google logo black screen... exactly, i think the problem in the java runtime.jar file that was in the system folder, i replace it with another file and all that done since i want to add another language to the system so that it can understand it. but, the device now is not working....
I tried to enter the recovery mode and wipe all data, but nothing change. its keep the same. so i tried also to format the system (from the recovery) since, the modification done in that folder... also, its not working....
So, I think the best way right now is to return it to the default rom(official one from google) , i download it, and tried to flash it using the "fastboot" command but it keep give me error when writing for system.img file....
What can I do right know ??? I can't use my device at all...
Help me Guys, please.....

For future reference Factory wipe doesn't touch /system...just /data.
If you formatted your /system, and it actually formatted, all you can do now is restore a working system.
If you didn't make your own nandroid backup of the system (and you ALWAYS should in the future before messing with system level modifications) to have a known working configuration, then your best bet in my opinion is to go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884093
Download the nandroid image from there and flash it to your phone using Clockwork Recovery.
Good luck.

distortedloop said:
For future reference Factory wipe doesn't touch /system...just /data.
If you formatted your /system, and it actually formatted, all you can do now is restore a working system.
If you didn't make your own nandroid backup of the system (and you ALWAYS should in the future before messing with system level modifications) to have a known working configuration, then your best bet in my opinion is to go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884093
Download the nandroid image from there and flash it to your phone using Clockwork Recovery.
Good luck.
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But, The question here is.... how can i flash it when i can't get access to the memory(since the Nexus S doesn't have sd memory slot) and to the system ??
when i enter the recovery, all i can do is use the fastboot command.... can i use it here ??
Thanks alot .....

If you boot into Clockwork, you should be able to use it's mounts menu to mount the sdcard...then use adb to push the files to your sdcard. adb should be active and working in clockwork.
If that doesn't work out for you, you could also try the Odin and "download mode" approach from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947950

distortedloop said:
If you boot into Clockwork, you should be able to use it's mounts menu to mount the sdcard...then use adb to push the files to your sdcard. adb should be active and working in clockwork.
If that doesn't work out for you, you could also try the Odin and "download mode" approach from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947950
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Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much distortedloop....
as what u said.... the mount already available in the clockwork.. but i didn't see it before.....
Now i got my Nexus S back to me again.....
Thank u soooooooooooooo much Man... I appreciate it

abd640 said:
Thank you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much distortedloop....
as what u said.... the mount already available in the clockwork.. but i didn't see it before.....
Now i got my Nexus S back to me again.....
Thank u soooooooooooooo much Man... I appreciate it
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Glad you're up and running again.

Hello guys
I have the same problem, but i guess for different reasons.
I applyed the superboot from the modaco´s forum on my nexus s, but I guess I did it with the wrong version (i had got the 2.3.4 ota before doing so and used a 2.3.3 version) and now my phone won´t boot. My rom was stock. Now, it remains on that google initial screen. I can´t get to upload anything for the device since I guess the usb debug mode is off, although when I connect the device to the computer, the system shows the usb driver. I guess my device is GT90 something, can´t say for sure. Have to check at the box.
That said, I´d like some help on what to do about it.
I´ll be forever grateful!

ectole said:
Hello guys
I have the same problem, but i guess for different reasons.
I applyed the superboot from the modaco´s forum on my nexus s, but I guess I did it with the wrong version (i had got the 2.3.4 ota before doing so and used a 2.3.3 version) and now my phone won´t boot. My rom was stock. Now, it remains on that google initial screen. I can´t get to upload anything for the device since I guess the usb debug mode is off, although when I connect the device to the computer, the system shows the usb driver. I guess my device is GT90 something, can´t say for sure. Have to check at the box.
That said, I´d like some help on what to do about it.
I´ll be forever grateful!
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try to boot into bootloader. root the phone n install a recovery.img, then reinstall a custom rom or the stock rom.

deeren said:
try to boot into bootloader. root the phone n install a recovery.img, then reinstall a custom rom or the stock rom.
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The thing is that i already have clockworkmode installed and i can access it through bootload, in fact is the only thing i can do. My problem is that i just can´t send the recovery.img from the pc to the phone. And I also think that the usb debug mode is unavailabe, so I can´t activate it.
I´m new to this thing so the only way I could move files into the phone was through windows explorer drag and drop. Honestly I´m lost without it.
Is there a different way to push it to the phone ?
I understand this forum is intended to more experienced users, and for that I apologise.

Guys I found a solution by enabling USB from clockwork! Thanks! Keep the good work!
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Hello "ectole", could you let me know how you get out of it. I am in the same problem. I followed this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13800735#post13800735 to root my phone, now I always boot into clockwork. I can I boot into Nexux again?

Hi guys,
I'm in a similar situation. I tried to install CyanogenMod 7 to my Nexus S (ATT), got stuck at the skating dude.
Booted back into Clockwork, and tried to flash back to the stock firmware, but I think I accidentally flashed the wrong one (for the 9020T instead of 9020A) build. Now I can't get into ClockworkMod or anything on the screen whatsoever.
Does anyone have any tips at all? I'm really screwed here, would appreciate it a lot...
J

Hey bante just go to clockwork then to mount/dismount menu and the last option should be mount USB storage. Mount it and stay there and your PC should see the sd card. Then upload what you want.
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HELP!!! Odin bricked my Nexus S i9020a
I attempted to use odin to restore my phone. Could not get past bootloading screen. Put phone in recovery mode and used odin and grh78 firmware.
Odin went thru the whole process and said success, then my phone shut off, and will not power back on. Any ideas?

OkNewMedia said:
I attempted to use odin to restore my phone. Could not get past bootloading screen. Put phone in recovery mode and used odin and grh78 firmware.
Odin went thru the whole process and said success, then my phone shut off, and will not power back on. Any ideas?
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Which phone version you got?
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OkNewMedia said:
I attempted to use odin to restore my phone. Could not get past bootloading screen. Put phone in recovery mode and used odin and grh78 firmware.
Odin went thru the whole process and said success, then my phone shut off, and will not power back on. Any ideas?
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By 'recovery mode', do you mean download mode? (you hold both vol up and vol down then plug in USB)

My Nexus s not boot at all
Hi
I'm facing a problem with my Nexus S, before it was working... but, unfourtunatlly i just make some modification in the system file and now my phone not working and stuck at the google logo black screen...
it doesn't entering the recovery mode. it only stucks at the google black logo screen
What can I do right know ??? I can't use my device at all...
Help me Guys, please.....

shavinder said:
Hi
I'm facing a problem with my Nexus S, before it was working... but, unfourtunatlly i just make some modification in the system file and now my phone not working and stuck at the google logo black screen...
it doesn't entering the recovery mode. it only stucks at the google black logo screen
What can I do right know ??? I can't use my device at all...
Help me Guys, please.....
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flash either clockwork or twrp recovery via fastboot.

but how can i do this thing

jstennis1591 said:
Hi guys,
I'm in a similar situation. I tried to install CyanogenMod 7 to my Nexus S (ATT), got stuck at the skating dude.
Booted back into Clockwork, and tried to flash back to the stock firmware, but I think I accidentally flashed the wrong one (for the 9020T instead of 9020A) build. Now I can't get into ClockworkMod or anything on the screen whatsoever.
Does anyone have any tips at all? I'm really screwed here, would appreciate it a lot...
J
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Sounds like you flashed i9023 software. You could try Odin. Does your computer recognize the phone?
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Blue screen on recovery

Whenever I try to boot into recovery (vol up and power), I get a blue screen with no text or options. It's supposed to give me an option so that I can mod my phone. I have CWM recovery, and I followed the instructions right. I'm not sure why I continue to see a screen with no options. Any help would be appreciated.

Can anyone help me with this? I know the Impulse isn't a very popular phone, but someone has to know something that relates to this (it's pretty much the same as the Ideos X5, I believe). I could really use some help.

I changed the OP to hopefully narrow the problem down for anyone reading. Maybe it'll be easier to read and help with that way.

Are you sure that you flashed the right recovery for your phone?

MissionImprobable said:
Are you sure that you flashed the right recovery for your phone?
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Yeah, that was the problem. I was able to load the rom, which led to another problem: can't get pass the at&t screen. Doing a factory reset doesn't do anything either. I had my apps and my system data backed up on titanium, so will that help me at all to restore my phone (I can only boot recovery)? Is there anything I can do, or did I brick my phone trying to load this rom?

jlm990 said:
Yeah, that was the problem. I was able to load the rom, which led to another problem: can't get pass the at&t screen. Doing a factory reset doesn't do anything either. I had my apps and my system data backed up on titanium, so will that help me at all to restore my phone (I can only boot recovery)? Is there anything I can do, or did I brick my phone trying to load this rom?
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In your case i would go back to stock firmware and you will be good to go
And then do it all again and maybe some went wrong during installation on your phone
Cheers

Help: Unable to hard reset my Sprint Nexus S

Hi there,
I need some help here. My wife's Sprint Nexus S is acting up - keep popping messages such as "Unfortunately XXX has stopped." So I decided to do a hard reset. I followed the instructions but weirdly the phone did not do it. It acted like doing the hard resetting but then rebooted with nothing changed. I tried both the software way - Settings, factory reset, and the hardware way - Vol up button + Power, then recovery, then Vol up + Power again at the Android with exclamation image, chose "Wipe all data and factory reset." However, the phone boots with nothing changed.
Can anyone help me with this? What else can I try?
Thanks much in advance.

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You could try fixing the permissions on the files through Rom Manager; it fixes a lot of Force Close generally.

kwudude said:
Have you tried installing a custom recovery and doing a hard reset through that route yet? E.G. ClockworkMod or TWRP
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Thanks. I will give it a try. Can you point me to some instructions / files for downloading, etc.?

Cpu.gastronomy said:
You could try fixing the permissions on the files through Rom Manager; it fixes a lot of Force Close generally.
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This one is actually the Sprint stock rom untouched. So... no Rom Manager on it. Thanks anyway. I guess a custom recovery is the only way to go now...

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I wouldn't install a custom recovery, and ultimately technically void your warranty, for the sole purpose of resetting it though...

Just use a one click root tool, it flashes superuser, cmw, but keeps the rest of the (stock) rom you're on!
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Thanks to you all for all the good suggestions. I have tried several things but did not succeed.
1. Flashed a clockworkmod recovery. That was successful. So I went ahead to use its factory reset function. The process completed without error but once rebooted, the phone remains the same as before.
2. Connected the phone to a PC, turned on USB storage, copied a ROM image zip file to a folder. Then tried to install it through Recovery. But the file I copied was nowhere to be found.
3. Put then phone into the bootloader mode, connected to PC, use fastboot to flash boot, system, recovery, userdata, radio image files. All went through with any issue. Rebooted, phone is the same.
In short, whatever I do, the phone remains the same. No changes can be made.
I also tried the one-click tool but could not proceed ahead. It required USB debugging turned on. I turned it on, the check mark was there, but it was really NOT turned on because on the PC, the message is that it is not on. On the phone, if I switch to a different application, or simply go back one step, and then go to developer option, the checkmark was not turned on.
It feels like the internal memory/storage becomes read-only. No changes can be made. I am not sure if the hardware is bad, or some permission issue.
Any ideas that I should try next?

From what I read and understand, I think I had a bad nand problem. Guess time to let the phone go RIP.

Need help getting to stock recovery

Need help...
Was messing the around with the screen density in the buildprop.. after reboot, "systemui keeps FCing" making it unusable and I cant do anything. Attempting to do a hard button combo to go into stock recovery but cant seems to get it to work.. Googleing tells me to, hold volume down and power till the LG logo, release power and rehold again.. it just reboots again.. holding all 3 brings me to a korean menu that I cant read.. holding up and power brings me to a recovery menu that I think only the service centre can use, there's no option in there, only asking me to reboot.
Any kind souls please....

scpion said:
Need help...
Was messing the around with the screen density in the buildprop.. after reboot, "systemui keeps FCing" making it unusable and I cant do anything. Attempting to do a hard button combo to go into stock recovery but cant seems to get it to work.. Googleing tells me to, hold volume down and power till the LG logo, release power and rehold again.. it just reboots again.. holding all 3 brings me to a korean menu that I cant read.. holding up and power brings me to a recovery menu that I think only the service centre can use, there's no option in there, only asking me to reboot.
Any kind souls please....
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I've been trying to get into my stock recovery for some time now trying all sorts of button combos but to no avail. Previously I had the g2 and when it updated from jellybean to kitkat, the combo for entering stock recovery changed however, this new combo doesn't seem to work on the G Pro 2 either
You should be able to revive your device back to stock using the LG pc Suite however, after tampering with the system, it is often necessary to perform a factory reset after the pc suite has done it's work which will need you to enter stock recovery.
If you are completely stuck, I would suggest restoring your device using the pc suit and, all being well, your device will boot sufficiently for you to perform a reset through the phone settings menu. If you are really lucky, it may boot properly and you may not need to perform any reset however, it would still probably be a good idea to do so.

bobsie41 said:
I've been trying to get into my stock recovery for some time now trying all sorts of button combos but to no avail. Previously I had the g2 and when it updated from jellybean to kitkat, the combo for entering stock recovery changed however, this new combo doesn't seem to work on the G Pro 2 either
You should be able to revive your device back to stock using the LG pc Suite however, after tampering with the system, it is often necessary to perform a factory reset after the pc suite has done it's work which will need you to enter stock recovery.
If you are completely stuck, I would suggest restoring your device using the pc suit and, all being well, your device will boot sufficiently for you to perform a reset through the phone settings menu. If you are really lucky, it may boot properly and you may not need to perform any reset however, it would still probably be a good idea to do so.
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I cant use the LG Suite... the screen doesnt allow me to choose the connection type.. It just FC constantly.. I am screwed..:crying::crying:

scpion said:
I cant use the LG Suite... the screen doesnt allow me to choose the connection type.. It just FC constantly.. I am screwed..:crying::crying:
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Think the only option is to send it in officially and say I dun know what happened......

Help
Has anybody found the way to hard-reset D838 from a bootloop? I really cant reach the recovery mode

manas.neo said:
Has anybody found the way to hard-reset D838 from a bootloop? I really cant reach the recovery mode
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I had tried everything.. Even adb command to reboot into recovery. It just brings me to a broken Android with red triangle. I am starting to think there is no stock recovery built in that is accessible to users..

I am now at the service centre. Well the guy can detect that its rooted.. voids warranty.... But will try to see if he can help to reflash the firmware.. If not have to change hardware and will be chargeable....... Fingers crossed. He did say users are not able to access the recovery..
Guys.. Until there's custom recovery, pls dun mess with it.....

That is really bad. I am stuck at bootloop and unable to reach the recovery mode. I wonder how entire web just talks about a hardreset process that doesnt even work
scpion said:
I had tried everything.. Even adb command to reboot into recovery. It just brings me to a broken Android with red triangle. I am starting to think there is no stock recovery built in that is accessible to users..
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manas.neo said:
That is really bad. I am stuck at bootloop and unable to reach the recovery mode. I wonder how entire web just talks about a hardreset process that doesnt even work
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I know.. I was desperate too... There's 2 versions, the other model is f350 or something.. Anyway at the service he did flash the phone again for me foc. BUT! He stamp a big NO WARRANTY as well... Goodbye to my balance 10 months warranty.. Buy hey.. I am grateful that I have my phone working again..I think.
I confirm with him again.. Yes, there is no stock recovery users can access....

scpion said:
I know.. I was desperate too... There's 2 versions, the other model is f350 or something.. Anyway at the service he did flash the phone again for me foc. BUT! He stamp a big NO WARRANTY as well... Goodbye to my balance 10 months warranty.. Buy hey.. I am grateful that I have my phone working again..I think.
I confirm with him again.. Yes, there is no stock recovery users can access....
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Glad you were able to get your phone back. I have some positive news. I am trying out a recovery method as we speak. Using the LG Software update & USB driver tool I found the option for a update recovery. So I gave the IMEI and it prompted for a connection to the device which wasnt there as the phone is stuck in a boot loop. So I thought if it is going to restore the firmware from PC ( and not OTA) then it at some point of time will take the phone to download mode. So I just put the phone in download mode and VOILA it recognised the connection. And right now it is downloading the recovery firmware. The firmware being downloaded is around 1.5GB which is exactly what size I expected it to be. I have my fingers crossed. Just hope it goes through fine.

manas.neo said:
Glad you were able to get your phone back. I have some positive news. I am trying out a recovery method as we speak. Using the LG Software update & USB driver tool I found the option for a update recovery. So I gave the IMEI and it prompted for a connection to the device which wasnt there as the phone is stuck in a boot loop. So I thought if it is going to restore the firmware from PC ( and not OTA) then it at some point of time will take the phone to download mode. So I just put the phone in download mode and VOILA it recognised the connection. And right now it is downloading the recovery firmware. The firmware being downloaded is around 1.5GB which is exactly what size I expected it to be. I have my fingers crossed. Just hope it goes through fine.
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As I mentioned in an earliar post on this thread, you can usually get the device into a booting state using the lg pc suite. You will probably have to perform a factory reset but, hopefully, after using the tool, you can access the software factory reset in the settings menu. From past experience with other lg devices, it can often help if you run the recovery more than once in the pc suite.

bobsie41 said:
As I mentioned in an earliar post on this thread, you can usually get the device into a booting state using the lg pc suite. You will probably have to perform a factory reset but, hopefully, after using the tool, you can access the software factory reset in the settings menu. From past experience with other lg devices, it can often help if you run the recovery more than once in the pc suite.
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Hi Bob,
Yes I think the same option is there in the LG PC Suite as well. But unless you do what I have tried to do it wont recognise a device that has not booted yet. Devices soft-bricked or bootlooping wont be recognised by the PC suite for recovery. But thanks for the tip. I'd keep that in mind and see if it'd need another factory reset after recovery. But it seems like it will be a hard reset done by the recovery happening right now

manas.neo said:
Hi Bob,
Yes I think the same option is there in the LG PC Suite as well. But unless you do what I have tried to do it wont recognise a device that has not booted yet. Devices soft-bricked or bootlooping wont be recognised by the PC suite for recovery. But thanks for the tip. I'd keep that in mind and see if it'd need another factory reset after recovery. But it seems like it will be a hard reset done by the recovery happening right now
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Good luck. If no joy just try the pc suit. I'm fairly sure I had a success on my old g2 with a similar problem to yours. Can't remember exactly what I did but I kept trying things and eventually the pc suit recognised and sorted my device. Perhaps try to adb reboot recovery with the pc suit on screen??

PC suite and the software update thing didn't work for me. It just refuse to recognize my device. Hope things work out for u!

bobsie41 said:
Good luck. If no joy just try the pc suit. I'm fairly sure I had a success on my old g2 with a similar problem to yours. Can't remember exactly what I did but I kept trying things and eventually the pc suit recognised and sorted my device. Perhaps try to adb reboot recovery with the pc suit on screen??
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Thanks. I was able to revive my phone. No loss of apps and data. Just the root was lost. Can you tell me what issues you have witnessed after such a recovery that made you to do a factory reset? The phone looks fine at the moment but wonder if it'd end up in a boot loop again.

manas.neo said:
Thanks. I was able to revive my phone. No loss of apps and data. Just the root was lost. Can you tell me what issues you have witnessed after such a recovery that made you to do a factory reset? The phone looks fine at the moment but wonder if it'd end up in a boot loop again.
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You shouldn't have a problem. I just like to have a clean start and to make sure that there are no alien files left from my previous tampering.

bobsie41 said:
You shouldn't have a problem. I just like to have a clean start and to make sure that there are no alien files left from my previous tampering.
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It went all smooth. I'd like to shout out to all LG G Pro 2 users to make a note of this method and try it whenever they soft-brick their phones.

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scpion said:
I know.. I was desperate too... There's 2 versions, the other model is f350 or something.. Anyway at the service he did flash the phone again for me foc. BUT! He stamp a big NO WARRANTY as well... Goodbye to my balance 10 months warranty.. Buy hey.. I am grateful that I have my phone working again..I think.
I confirm with him again.. Yes, there is no stock recovery users can access....
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Hi there,
I am in the same situation, I can not do the factory reset in any way was mentioned here (pc suite, lg update) in the forum, because there is no connection between the pc and the mobile.
Where you from anyway and which mobile service did you take your phone, how much was the service cost?
THX

david_csaba said:
Hi there,
I am in the same situation, I can not do the factory reset in any way was mentioned here (pc suite, lg update) in the forum, because there is no connection between the pc and the mobile.
Where you from anyway and which mobile service did you take your phone, how much was the service cost?
THX
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Did you try this:
VOL DOWN + POWER
when LG logo appears release booth keys and wait 2 sec then
VOL DOWN + VOL UP
you should get factory reset screen

[Q] Arc 10HD factory reset has wiped almost everything

Seems I'm an idiot.
Recently bought a Kobo Arc 10HD, my first Android device. I rooted it according to Dazza9075's guide on here. I didn't update the recovery image, because in my ignorance I thought it'd allow me to recover to factory settings.
Apparently not.
I've just reset it, and now I've lost everything. The base OS is still working, but there is no loader, no settings widget, nothing. The battery remaining indicator and time are showing in the top right, the three Android buttons are showing at the bottom. It's powering down the screen properly. That's it. If I press the recent apps button the old wallpaper comes up. Any swiping on the recent apps and the System UI stops responding.
Edit: Might also be worth mentioning it'll only restart after the first power on after a reset - any subsequent attempts and it stays on the Kobo loading screen.
Have I just completely buggered it, or do I have some options available?

Okay, I'm able to sideload using ADB in the recovery settings - is this of any use?

Hello
Yes you can sideload recovery using ADB as given in the guide you mentioned . Ensure that the device drivers and ADB drivers are properly installed on your PC before sideload.
Hope it works

4shreyas said:
Hello
Yes you can sideload recovery using ADB as given in the guide you mentioned . Ensure that the device drivers and ADB drivers are properly installed on your PC before sideload.
Hope it works
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Don't think that's going to help. I'm unable to access dev mode as the settings app isn't there. There's no way to go into ADB shell, I can only use the sideloader mode in the recovery settings.

Glompish said:
Don't think that's going to help. I'm unable to access dev mode as the settings app isn't there. There's no way to go into ADB shell, I can only use the sideloader mode in the recovery settings.
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Flash stock rom back
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Unfortunately don't have one. I didn't install a custom ROM on it because they're unavailable on Kobos. If I get a stock upgrade.zip I think it should work, but I haven't managed to find one.

Hello
Search on the internet if someone has uploaded your stock rom . You can use ADB Fast boot to flash recovery and without stock rom , recovery alone won't help you . If you find a custom rom try that
All the best

I'll try having a further look. Thus far no luck though.
Thanks for the help.

Glompish said:
If I get a stock upgrade.zip I think it should work, but I haven't managed to find one.
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If you go this route you'll need to sniff out the url on an update from Kobo. I know this works on the original arc but they may have smartened up and started using ssl.