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Hey guys,
I saw alot of guides out there to Root your SNS, all different, and none explain some basics stuff. I want to understand what I'm doing and not doing it like a robot. So I'll ask some newbie questions I got into:
1) What's the difference between ROOT / unlocking bootloader / oem unlock ?
2) Is it possible to save all your apps and data before Rooting your SNS by some way ? I know there's these apps Nandroid and Titanium backup, but both can used only after rooting no ?
3) I saw there's guide to Root i9020T only, and i9023 & i9020A separately, what is it ? how do I know what I have ?
4) What's the best recovery out there ? Clockwork mod ? If I use it and I want to update it, do I need to download the new version and transfer it again, or does it have auto update ?
5) What is Fastloader / Fastboot ? what does it do ?
6) What is Superuser ? what does it do ?
7) What is Flash rom, or Flash recovery ?
8) What is the best and most updated guide for Rooting SNS out there ? there just so many, I need something that most reliable
9) I wanted to make sure the all these processes are reversible, that if I'll find out the original stock rom was better for me, if I could undone all the rooting and recovery changing and go back to the stock rom with original updates from google (like new) ?
10) For people that have done it, does it worth rooting the SNS at all ? does the Roms out there for SNS are good enough to replace the stock one ? I've heard that most good roms are for Galaxys, and SNS has the basics, is it true ?
Thanks for your patience, sorry for being pain in the ass
ariel2011 said:
Hey guys,
I saw alot of guides out there to Root your SNS, all different, and none explain some basics stuff. I want to understand what I'm doing and not doing it like a robot. So I'll ask some newbie questions I got into:
1) What's the difference between ROOT / unlocking bootloader / oem unlock ?
2) Is it possible to save all your apps and data before Rooting your SNS by some way ? I know there's these apps Nandroid and Titanium backup, but both can used only after rooting no ?
3) I saw there's guide to Root i9020T only, and i9023 & i9020A separately, what is it ? how do I know what I have ?
4) What's the best recovery out there ? Clockwork mod ? If I use it and I want to update it, do I need to download the new version and transfer it again, or does it have auto update ?
5) What is Fastloader / Fastboot ? what does it do ?
6) What is Superuser ? what does it do ?
7) What is Flash rom, or Flash recovery ?
8) What is the best and most updated guide for Rooting SNS out there ? there just so many, I need something that most reliable
9) I wanted to make sure the all these processes are reversible, that if I'll find out the original stock rom was better for me, if I could undone all the rooting and recovery changing and go back to the stock rom with original updates from google (like new) ?
10) For people that have done it, does it worth rooting the SNS at all ? does the Roms out there for SNS are good enough to replace the stock one ? I've heard that most good roms are for Galaxys, and SNS has the basics, is it true ?
Thanks for your patience, sorry for being pain in the ass
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I will explain it to you in about one hour, because nobody want to tell you, but I'm on beach atm and writing from the is not very handy!
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I will explain it to you in about one hour, because nobody want to tell you, but I'm on beach atm and writing from the is not very handy!
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Yea I figured people won't have the strength to answer all that, I understand them
Ok thanks, take your time !
1. Root gives you ability to run applications that require root access.
Unlocking bootloader is the same thing as OEM unlock. Unlocking the bootloader allows you to flash custom recoveries which leads you to flashing custom ROMs & kernels. With the Nexus series, it is a legitimate device that permits you to unlock the bootloader without using a exploit.
2) No. This is not possible, upon unlocking the bootloader. It will wipe all of your data due to a security measure. And yes, nandroid can only be usable when you flash Clockwork Recovery. Titanium Backup requires root. And to obtain root, you need to flash su.zip (or whatever method you desire to). The best thing you could do when you first get the NS is to oem unlock. You don't have to gain root right away, but at least unlock the bootloader so you keep it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931865 but if you go that road.. its all you, i rather unlock the bootloader. easier on the long run
3) What is your location? Carrier?
4) There is only one recovery. Clockwork. Not many changes need to be done to the recovery in the first place. Once a stable version is out, it will remain that way. Recoveries don't get updated that much. I'd recommend the 4.0.0.2 modified version in the development forum than to the standard one. It is formatted a lot better than the original. If you wish to get the official one, download ROM manager from the market and flash it there. It will give you Clockwork v3.0.2.4.
To flash 4.0.0.2, you need to go into bootloader mode and use ADB (fastboot).
5) Fastboot allows you to flash custom image files such as bootloader, radio, recovery.
6) Superuser is 'administrative' access to your phone. It unlimits you and allows you to take full permissions all over your phone including changes outside of /sdcard/.
7) Let's use this as an example,
Android = Windows
ROM = Heavily modified version of Windows tweaked for faster speeds, new features, and so forth.
Flash Recovery allows you to flash custom ROMs & kernels.
Kernels... new features. Easy to do. Recommend Netarchy's 1.3.7 kernel.
8) Only one way to root the Nexus S. It's the easiest out of any other phone. One clicks are for lazy people.
9) Yes you can undo it. But you probably wont because custom ROMs are amazing.
10) Yes its worth rooting. You're asking about it, so you're obviously thinking about it. You can always unroot. But I doubt it
Anyway. Hit the thanks button, any more questions. Feel free to ask! I'll be here.
P.S. Just call it "NS" its not "SNS"
ariel2011 said:
Yea I figured people won't have the strength to answer all that, I understand them
Ok thanks, take your time !
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oh he was faster! but yeah thats it! and hit his thanks button
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Borky_16 said:
oh he was faster! but yeah thats it! and hit his thanks button
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It's not a race Just trying to answer his question hehe.
zephiK said:
It's not a race Just trying to answer his question hehe.
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yeah I know!
Since when does Salzburg have a beach?
First of all, thank you for your detailed explanation ! things are more clear now
and you too Borky_16, even tho you didn't make it eventually
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allows you to flash custom recoveries which leads you to flashing custom ROMs & kernels
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zephiK said:
5) Fastboot allows you to flash custom image files such as bootloader, radio, recovery.
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As I asked in question 7, I don't really understand the meaning of the verb flash, what does it mean to flash recoveries/roms/images ?
and btw what is kernels ?
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3) What is your location? Carrier?
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Israel, Carrier: Cellcom, but I bought it on BestBuy from US. In my Baseband version is says: I9020XXKD1. Does it mean anything ?
zephiK said:
8) Only one way to root the Nexus S. It's the easiest out of any other phone.
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So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help
ariel2011 said:
So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help
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http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/17/how-to-root-the-samsung-nexus-s/
ariel2011 said:
First of all, thank you for your detailed explanation ! things are more clear now
and you too Borky_16, even tho you didn't make it eventually
As I asked in question 7, I don't really understand the meaning of the verb flash, what does it mean to flash recoveries/roms/images ?
and btw what is kernels ?
Israel, Carrier: Cellcom, but I bought it on BestBuy from US. In my Baseband version is says: I9020XXKD1. Does it mean anything ?
So you're saying the only real guide is the one in the General forum? :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
again, thanks for your help
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to flash means to install; or, to write the image to the partition.
an image is a copy of something. a partition is an area of your phone's storage. when you flash, you write the content of the image into the partition.
the main partitions are system, data, recovery, boot, and radio.
when you flash custom kernel, you are writing an image to the boot partition.
when you flash a custom rom, you are writing images to the boot and system partitions (roms usually include kernels to ensure compatibility).
when you flash a recovery, you are writing an image to the recovery partition.
when you factory reset, you are erasing the data partition.
also you can flash other partitions easily from a modified recovery. so the easiest way to set up your phone to be easily modified is to use a program called fastboot to flash a custom recovery image. then you boot your phone into that custom recovery and from there you can easily flash custom roms and kernels. and if all you want is to gain root access, then you just go into recovery and flash a superuser file.
hopefully that explains it!
ariel2011 said:
and btw what is kernels ?
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A kernel is the "core" of an operating system which, in case of Android, is Linux. It provides interface to all hardware on you NS -- CPU, memory, touch screen, speaker, etc. (see the picture in the link)
Your NS cannot operate correctly without a compatible kernel, so mind what you are going to flash to your boot partition.
suksit said:
A kernel is the "core" of an operating system which, in case of Android, is Linux. It provides interface to all hardware on you NS -- CPU, memory, touch screen, speaker, etc. (see the picture in the link)
Your NS cannot operate correctly without a compatible kernel, so mind what you are going to flash to your boot partition.
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Pretty much what he said. I recommend a custom kernel such as Netarchy's kernel. Adds Voodoo Sound which is pretty much amazing. Custom kernels add a lot of custom features, highlights of the additional features can be found in a kernel thread such as OC, Voodoo Sound,Voodoo Color, Tunko, etc....
Thanks guys, u really helped me out, I'll work on rooting my NS right now
I also recommend Matr1x
But listen to zephik, he's a good person and is always willing to help
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rentaric said:
Since when does Salzburg have a beach?
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I'm in Italy! and I call my hotel home because I will be there the whole summer !
so, my NS is rooted, with clockwork mod 4.0.0.2
tell me, each time I want to change rom I need to wipe everything before ? including sdcard ?
ariel2011 said:
so, my NS is rooted, with clockwork mod 4.0.0.2
tell me, each time I want to change rom I need to wipe everything before ? including sdcard ?
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No, you don't have to wipe sdcard. Don't ever do that.
Only thing you need to wipe is factory settings, and cache, and dalvik when flashing one rom to another.
Upgrading from one rom to the same rom but a newer version, just flash but I usually wipe dalvik and cache. You don't have to.
Kernel is the same. The I wip those two, and you don't have to.
Wiping hose two doesn't make you lose any files or data. Just a longer first boot because android is rebuilding the cache
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zephiK said:
No, you don't have to wipe sdcard. Don't ever do that.
Only thing you need to wipe is factory settings, and cache, and dalvik when flashing one rom to another.
Upgrading from one rom to the same rom but a newer version, just flash but I usually wipe dalvik and cache. You don't have to.
Kernel is the same. The I wip those two, and you don't have to.
Wiping hose two doesn't make you lose any files or data. Just a longer first boot because android is rebuilding the cache
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wiping dalvik and cache is only to do if you change the kernel at a rom! when you upgrade a rom, then the updater-script will do that, only to be correct
Borky_16 said:
wiping dalvik and cache is only to do if you change the kernel at a rom! when you upgrade a rom, then the updater-script will do that, only to be correct
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Hm, didn't know the script would wipe it for you. Good to know! I'll continue wiping it just because it's a habit.
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noob here...
i have a sensation (TMO version) on stock ics. i got it unlock through HTCdev and even S-Off using juopunutbear's guide. but when trying to use the All-In-One program.. during the GET TOKEN part, the device can't be found.
don't know what to do after that..
also, i read about doing a nannoid backup, but at which stage should i do that? i'm totally lost... plz help~ i would love to put JB on here.
cthsuks said:
noob here...
i have a sensation (TMO version) on stock ics. i got it unlock through HTCdev and even S-Off using juopunutbear's guide. but when trying to use the All-In-One program.. during the GET TOKEN part, the device can't be found.
don't know what to do after that..
also, i read about doing a nannoid backup, but at which stage should i do that? i'm totally lost... plz help~ i would love to put JB on here.
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Hi,
If you are s-off,you have no need for a Token.
Place the ROM on the root of your sd card
Just make a nandroid in recovery(look for "Backup")
Then,wipe phone and install ROM
malybru said:
Hi,
If you are s-off,you have no need for a Token.
Place the ROM on the root of your sd card
Just make a nandroid in recovery(look for "Backup")
Then,wipe phone and install ROM
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oh wow.. so no need to use the all in one kit then?
cthsuks said:
oh wow.. so no need to use the all in one kit then?
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Hi,
You have done the hard work.
Go and enjoy the ROM
malybru said:
Hi,
You have done the hard work.
Go and enjoy the ROM
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ok.. thanks. but when i do a backup, will it be stored in the microSD?
also, when i DL the rom, there's also a zip for for the google apps. i put both into the microSD, but how to install the google app zip file? or does the rom install it automatically?
finally, once all is installed, can i delete both the rom and the google app zip from microSD?
sorry for the lengthy questions..
cthsuks said:
ok.. thanks. but when i do a backup, will it be stored in the microSD?
also, when i DL the rom, there's also a zip for for the google apps. i put both into the microSD, but how to install the google app zip file? or does the rom install it automatically?
finally, once all is installed, can i delete both the rom and the google app zip from microSD?
sorry for the lengthy questions..
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Hi,
Nandroid is stored on sd card.
Are you installing CM ROM?
If so,download the ROM and Gapps and place on the root of the sd card.
Wipe the phone,install ROM,then,install Gapps.
Once it is all installed,you can delete the ROM and Gapps from your sd card.
malybru said:
Hi,
Nandroid is stored on sd card.
Are you installing CM ROM?
If so,download the ROM and Gapps and place on the root of the sd card.
Wipe the phone,install ROM,then,install Gapps.
Once it is all installed,you can delete the ROM and Gapps from your sd card.
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this is the ROM I'm planning on using: CyanogenMod 10.1 Jellybean 4.2.1 - KANG - Latest Build:: Feb-7-Build-2
how to wipe the phone and how to install gapps?
also, do i need to un-check the usb debugging?
cthsuks said:
this is the ROM I'm planning on using: CyanogenMod 10.1 Jellybean 4.2.1 - KANG - Latest Build:: Feb-7-Build-2
how to wipe the phone and how to install gapps?
also, do i need to un-check the usb debugging?
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Hi,
What recovery do you have?
If you have 4EXT,then,go to wipe and format all partitions except sd card.
Gapps is a zip like the ROM.
Go to install ROM,choose ROM and select the ROM.
When that has finished,then,do the same with Gapps.
USB debugging is not necessary.
malybru said:
Hi,
What recovery do you have?
If you have 4EXT,then,go to wipe and format all partitions except sd card.
Gapps is a zip like the ROM.
Go to install ROM,choose ROM and select the ROM.
When that has finished,then,do the same with Gapps.
USB debugging is not necessary.
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actually i don't have any recovery created yet. i've installed the 4EXT, but when trying to run it.. it tells me the following:
it seems your Rom wasnt rooted yet!
this app needs root access to work. If this isn't an error you'll be unable to use it!
but my phone is unlocked and s-off.. so i thought that's rooted?
cthsuks said:
actually i don't have any recovery created yet. i've installed the 4EXT, but when trying to run it.. it tells me the following:
it seems your Rom wasnt rooted yet!
this app needs root access to work. If this isn't an error you'll be unable to use it!
but my phone is unlocked and s-off.. so i thought that's rooted?
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Hi,
You still need to root it.
Look HERE
malybru said:
Hi,
You still need to root it.
Look HERE
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Thx I see there is temp root and one click root tool. Which to use?
cthsuks said:
Thx I see there is temp root and one click root tool. Which to use?
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Hi,
You want the one-click root tool.
malybru said:
Hi,
You want the one-click root tool.
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ok.. after some reading, i see this one is to do S-OFF then temp root.
i originally did the HTC dev unlock, then Juopunutbear for S-Off, and now need to root.
* correction.. it did work.. but now i can't access my home screen at all now
cthsuks said:
ok.. after some reading, i see this one is to do S-OFF then temp root.
i originally did the HTC dev unlock, then Juopunutbear for S-Off, and now need to root.
I tried the 1 click tool and didn't work
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Hi,
Try posting on that thread.
malybru said:
Hi,
Try posting on that thread.
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i tried to post in there but wouldn't let me.. maybe cuz i'm still a newb.. hehe
cthsuks said:
i tried to post in there but wouldn't let me.. maybe cuz i'm still a newb.. hehe
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Hi,
Look HERE
4A. Flashing Root
i must be doing something wrong for sure. i looked into 4A and realized that my recovery that was installed was the TWRP on from the all in 1 kit. when i went back into the all in 1 kit to install the 4EXT, everything went through, but when i try to go into recovery, it just end up rebooting it self back to home screen and won't let me go into 4EXT to do what i need to do for 4A.
cthsuks said:
i must be doing something wrong for sure. i looked into 4A and realized that my recovery that was installed was the TWRP on from the all in 1 kit. when i went back into the all in 1 kit to install the 4EXT, everything went through, but when i try to go into recovery, it just end up rebooting it self back to home screen and won't let me go into 4EXT to do what i need to do for 4A.
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Hi,
Use the guide I gave you.
2. Flashing a recovery.
Flash 4 EXT again.
i think my mistake was assuming the HTCdev unlock = root.
cus now i see i should've HTCdev unlock -> root -> JB guide. but instead i just went from unlock to JB guide without rooting.
cthsuks said:
i think my mistake was assuming the HTCdev unlock = root.
cus now i see i should've HTCdev unlock -> root -> JB guide. but instead i just went from unlock to JB guide without rooting.
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if you have now unlocked bootloader then flash 4ext recovery as it was mentioned before
and flash this zip from recovery
http://download.chainfire.eu/310/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.04.zip
then if you still want to S-OFF follow this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1614617
Noob question. I did not see an answer to this pertaining to this phone. If I use the current root method in the development forum, will it wipe my phone? Only reason I ask is that I am having trouble backing everything up with Kies. Thanks in advance.
No. Rooting you phone will not erase your data.
mefloump said:
No. Rooting you phone will not erase your data.
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Thank you for clarifying that for me. Just wanted to make sure. So flashing the bootchains do not. I assume then it erases it when you flash roms?
jdeere5105 said:
Thank you for clarifying that for me. Just wanted to make sure. So flashing the bootchains do not. I assume then it erases it when you flash roms?
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Let me break it down for you flashing a ROM in custom recovery doesn't automaticlly wipe data flashing in odin/download mode does wipe data.
Thanks for the reply. I am going to try it in a few.
Just to warn you that when going to one ROM to the next you must backup the previous ROM and wipe your data or else the new ROM won't work.
Basically I just want to be rooted. So following the procedure here is all I need to do for that? I was rooted before the OTA update. Thanks
Stuck!
I am trying to flash the vralec boot chain and it keeps stopping on aboot.mbn and failing? Any ideas?
Got it !
I have gotten it figured out. One of the files that I download it was corrupt and I had to redownload it. Thank you again for all of the help !
does unlockig bootloader wipe the device? didnt unlock it when i got it, now dont want to take the risk. thanks
Unlocking always wipes if its done the proper way and not through an exploit. Gain root and backup everything and then you can just restore after.
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Keithn said:
Unlocking always wipes if its done the proper way and not through an exploit. Gain root and backup everything and then you can just restore after.
Sent from my One M8
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has anyone tested cwm or another recovery?
CWM, and it does work. There are minor graphical things.
Grab it from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvidia-shield/general/nvidia-shield-tablet-revealed-t2820676/page16
Also If you could grab me a stock backup I would be very apreciative!
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CWM, and it does work. There are minor graphical things.
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Where can I find the version? Thanks for your help
joshtb86 said:
Where can I find the version? Thanks for your help
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I edited my last post after you caught it I guess.
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I edited my last post after you caught it I guess.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvidia-shield/general/shield-tablet-source-factory-t2840406
not fully stock but the only thign we have thats close
joshtb86 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvidia-shield/general/shield-tablet-source-factory-t2840406
not fully stock but the only thign we have thats close
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Yeah I built that . Tha's why I'm asking if you can make a backup in CWM and upload the backup.
Hello guys!!!, Today I get the new OTA with the firmware 05Q and I install it. I see in the forum a version of 05Q rooted LINK HERE
I only want to ask if anyone know another way of get root actually or if I should wait until our amazing toolkits for 1+1 get updated.
Thanks i nadvance!!! :cyclops:
You can gain root following, This thread. If you already have a custom recovery install, might be easier to install the pre-rooted 05QA. I went the second route.
P.S. That toolkit will root 05QA, just does not have the new firmware to go back to stock.
I have a custom recovery installed ofc, if I install the pre-rooted 05Q I lost all my data and apps? Should I do a factory reset? Thanks for your fast answer mate!!
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I have a custom recovery installed ofc, if I install the pre-rooted 05Q I lost all my data and apps? Should I do a factory reset? Thanks for your fast answer mate!!
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If you have custom recovery installed. Do a back up first. You should not have to wipe or lose anything.
rraquib said:
If you have custom recovery installed. Do a back up first. You should not have to wipe or lose anything.
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Really thanks again mate!! I do it, like you, as soon as possible.
Wait guys, all you need to do is flash SuperSU from your custom recovery. That's it, nothing more.
@rraquib, why on earth would you tell him to flash the entire ROM again??
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Wait guys, all you need to do is flash SuperSU from your custom recovery. That's it, nothing more.
@rraquib, why on earth would you tell him to flash the entire ROM again??
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@timmaaa Read carefully I mentioned both option and he was wondering about the pre-rooted version.
rraquib said:
@timmaaa Read carefully I mentioned both option and he was wondering about the pre-rooted version.
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You said that flashing entire ROM would be easier, it isn't. All that's need to get root is to flash the SuperSU zip. He's already on 05Q so flashing the ROM zip is completely and utterly pointless. It's like telling someone who's run out of petrol to install a entirely new petrol tank that's full of petrol (when all that's actually needed is the fuel).
It doesn't matter what someone thinks might be the solution, if you're going to answer in the q&a section you need to give the best and easiest solution.
The thing is flashing update-supersu is not working... for me at least. I updated OTA.. After installation finished, rebooted to TWRP and tried to install update-supersuv2.37.zip...
It doesn't show any error, but when I reboot my phone there is no supersu installed ( actually there is one but it's greyed out with android icon and not showing up on application list )
timmaaa said:
Wait guys, all you need to do is flash SuperSU from your custom recovery. That's it, nothing more.
@rraquib, why on earth would you tell him to flash the entire ROM again??
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only SU from TWRP
plato79 said:
The thing is flashing update-supersu is not working... for me at least. I updated OTA.. After installation finished, rebooted to TWRP and tried to install update-supersuv2.37.zip...
It doesn't show any error, but when I reboot my phone there is no supersu installed ( actually there is one but it's greyed out with android icon and not showing up on application list )
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Install a newer version
#stayparanoid
Sorry guys for don´t answer your comments, I have been working out of my country for a couple of weeks.
I get root on 05Q with just flashing SuperSU 2.46 from recovery. Easy and fast, just that.
Anyway you have my thanks in your respective buttons.
EDIT: If moe people with doubts read this. I use the info on this post. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2788632