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Just wanted to show what apple just presented. Looks kinda cool
Hopefully a worthy adversary to wm5
More info macfeber.se (swedish site)
[edit: guys I'm going to temporarily sticky this. Please don't open new threads. V]
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=233
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/live-from-macworld-2007-steve-jobs-keynote/
My God. Time to change my nappy.
We're shipping them in June -- we're announcing it today because we have to go get FCC approval... we thought it'd be better to introduce this today rather than let the FCC introduce this.
Europe in the 4th quarter of this year, Asia in 2008.
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Man, suddenly my Hermes looks like poo
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Have to wait to Q4 in Europe... So I guess it'll hit shelves next year at about this time
seen this Advertisement for it?
http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/46492/
Apple iPhone announced
Steve Jobs has announced the iPhone.
And the Apple fan boys have started already.
I would imagine that phone manufacturers like HTC will be relieved by the spec since they would have feared a truly innovative product.
As it stands, the iPhone is a poor relation to the TyTN.
just.......fracking......sweet.....must....stop....droooling.....
Holy freak, that's one sweet design.
HTC better start thinking and not just add a new feature once a year!
having just seen this on CNN News (thats all the bloody Germin hotel has in English) I have to say im not overly impressed. the screen looks good, the browser capability is excellent but apart from that theres nothing there that the TyTn cant do, in fact there was no mention of 3G and Video Phone. So what if itll have a decent music player, my SEW850i has a good MP3 player, its a good phone, it has 3G and Vid, browsers crap but hey if you want to look at web stuff use a PC
Take a look at the videos at apple.com looks awsome... I want one NOW!
Some thoughts... I can't see how it would work for a non-alphabetic language. Hand-writing recognition is easier with a stylus, IMHO.
It seems more like a cool toy. Lots of cool functionality, but limited in its Apple way as usual.
But at least give something for HTC to shoot for.
darn.. the phone looks very much similar to Windows based type, but much more fancier. With the multi-touch screen that allows you to zoom in by 'spreading' two fingers.. and how the screen change in a scrolling style.. just makes is much.. 'adorable'. And, as with the Apple's history, I think it will have all the stuff that is necessary .. such that there won't be any need for iphone-developers.com Again, since i'm on a low budget, it is out of my reach anyway.. good to have cheap and affortable WM version. Hope the Crossbow will do better.. and . . well, at least give us some eye candy?
... cause I have seen the future.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Sorry. But we are using real "crap" right now!
Maxi
damn thats some nice hardware ... if that thing didnt have apple "software" on it id prolly look at getting one. yahoo news was saying a retail price of $500 US for the 4 gig version ?
id miss my warez too much
Now that DOES look nice.
I'm watching BBC News 24 right now and they say that they have a feature about it coming up soon.
It has some nice innovative features but Apple don't seem to be saying too much about the hardware architecture - more specifically the CPU.
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My God. Time to change my nappy...Man, suddenly my Hermes looks like poo
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vijay555, unless Apple provides *NATIVE* SDK I won't consider this phone as it means there is no possibility for interesting 3rd party applications (Tomtom is the first that comes to my mind) and I can't create applications.
Widgets are not the same thing as they do not have access to full system resources like Windows Mobile native and to an extent Compact Framework based applications.
Without native SDK this is not a true smartphone but more like Blackberry or a fancy high end phone.
It's on BBC News 24 right now...look VERY nice.
IPod - check
Pocket Computer - check
Cell Phone - check
Blackberry? Oh bugger! Well it's what the clueless jouralist said - I do hope he's wrong. Maybe he just mean blackberry-like features.
Raven - I'm inclined to agree with you re the SDK. Note, my comment re "defecating on my microphone" is based solely on it's cosmetic appearance.
No one can deny, it's a beautiful piece of engineering. Frankly, I'll probably buy one just to put it down my pants (underwear for those of the US persuasion).
No Windows Mobile manufacturer has come close to achieving the asthetic beauty of Apple engineering (well, except for the black diamond, but that's 600 times more expensive).
I have no doubt the interface work will also be topnotch.
This is not to put down current WinMob hardware. Well, actually it is. Apple has buying power and engineers. I love HTC's manufacturing quality, but Apple is lightyears ahead of the game (well, 5 years according to Steve) in terms of execution. I love my Hermes, but the iPhone looks great.
Whether those of us who rub their hands together at the prospect of modding and enhancing will get much out of it is yet to be seen. I've said before, I buy WinMob because I can program and enhance it. Even with second class hardware, that would still be my first consideration.
However. We are not Apple's market. Apple's market is average buyers who want to switch their bluetooth on and it work. No A2DP, no stutters, no "set as wireless stereo". Switch it on, music comes out of the things on your ears. Those guys will love it. I love it.
However, I have some ideas about bringing some of the goodness home to our phones
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Here's a BBC News web site article...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6245991.stm
I can't possibly imagine Apple releasing a phone based on OS X, going up against Windows and NOT having at least as full an SDK as WM5. I also can't imagine it'll work as swell as it looks. We're on what generation of WM devices and they're just now starting to get reliable and intuitive.
Time will tell!
But yeah, the kid side of me is more than happy to shell out $600 tomorrow. It's that learning how to write for a new OS that kind of sticks in my throat.
Just to let you know.
Apple just announced the iPad, their much-anticipated tablet or as rumoured iSlate. I've just seen a few articles but I'm really not getting it. Unless I'm missing something, it's an iPhone with a bigger screen that doesn't make calls. So, essentially the same functionality without the portability.
Really, the only niche I can see this fitting is as a tricked out digital photo frame -- it sits on its dock displaying photos and you can easily grab it when you want to Google something or check your email without having to crack open a laptop. But that's a lot of money for that tiny extra bit of coolness / convenience.
It has good graphics but not so great tech specs. When iPhone was launched it was ahead of it times. but i don't think same for iPad.
A convertible touchscreen netbook with Windows 7 on it will be much better ?
and i think even HD2 will be good when WM7 arrives..
Looking Windows 7 i think WM7 will be great.
It's an iPod Touch that DOESN'T fit in your pocket (or your shoulder bag or brief case.....). Like the photo viewer and eBook reader though.
Hi,
I don't understand why people flame a product they have not really taken the time to try out or at least get themselfes informed.
First of, one has to understand that the marked for an electronic equipment can be beyond the nerds and technically literate.
I am absolutly sure that ANY person can pick up an iPad and use it to all it's potential without having to do a training course or haveing someone explain what's it for during hours. Of course, provided that some basic installation like setting up a WLAN is granted.
Having said this, I find the iPad a fascinating device which I am positive will be a huge success with all the other companies trying to copy:
- web browsing
- e-mails
- ebooks
- games
- movies
- music
In a format that you can have with you anywhere you go, as long as you have a bag, you get 10 hours of battery to do all the above. In not only an easy way, but in a brilliantly good looking way, too.
Forget the small percentage of hightech nerds, think of the normal population: this is a great product. I could give one to elderly people I know and I wouldn't have to spend hours explaing how to save an attached file...
The same goes for the iPhone, which so many in this forum despise: if you ever use one, you will be fascinated how well it works and how neat the iTunes and Apple Store is linked to it, with all the thousands of applications, content, etc.
So why, I wonder, flame such a product?
If one does not like it, one is not oblidged to buy it.
I WISH I could afford one at this moment...
(And yes, I own two netbooks and all the phones in my signature...)
Cheers,
vma
F this device. I'm already sick of hearing about it.
Well, I dislike Apple but like the form factor. I've had 3 tablets (from HP). The first 2 had removable keyboards and I loved them. Had this run a full OS I might be in the market. BUT, Hp is coming out with a slate running windows 7 later this year so I'm up for that instead. Same form factor, full OS, 10" screen. Guess I'll replace my netbook with it.
Clse redundant thread
Already one from same topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624356
vma said:
Hi,
I don't understand why people flame a product they have not really taken the time to try out or at least get themselfes informed.
Having said this, I find the iPad a fascinating device which I am positive will be a huge success with all the other companies trying to copy:
In a format that you can have with you anywhere you go, as long as you have a bag, you get 10 hours of battery to do all the above. In not only an easy way, but in a brilliantly good looking way, too.
The same goes for the iPhone, which so many in this forum despise: if you ever use one, you will be fascinated how well it works and how neat the iTunes and Apple Store is linked to it, with all the thousands of applications, content, etc.
So why, I wonder, flame such a product?
Cheers,
vma
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Actually no one is flaming and btw iphone was revolutionary and was ahead of its times when it was launched.Regarding trying out i can say some thing looks desirable even beore hands on like iphone and hd2.
Regarding iPad you can put some more money and get a 10 inch netbook or tablet pc running windows 7 and you can do a lot more than ipad. Like You can call skypers, make /edit business ppts docs etc etc
But what i like about ipad or to be specific is the form factor and marketing hype. Thinnes of ipad is surely lovable, soon others will follow.Good thing about Apple is that they innovate cool usable technologies ahead of others , only for them to follow.
But iPad , had it camera, full osx , usb host connectors, card reader it would have been more useful.
Regarding iPad you can put some more money and get a 10 inch netbook or tablet pc running windows 7 and you can do a lot more than ipad. Like You can call skypers, make /edit business ppts docs etc etc
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That is exactly the point! You and probably most people in this forum would immediatly think in that line: pay a bit extra (or even for the same price) and get a Windows7 device...
The point is: the iPad is targeted for people who want/need exactly what the iPad has to offer. Nothing more, nothing less.
And because functionality is limited to a restricted field of applications, Apple can wrap everything up in a totally userfriendly GUI, where everything works exactly as one would expect.
It is this experience that makes the iPad so awesome.
Of course I know you can get an HP laptop with touchscreen or a Nokia N900, or whatever you like and has tons of more functionality.
But would you recommend that to your mother? Or wife?
Cheers,
vma
vma said:
That is exactly the point! You and probably most people in this forum would immediatly think in that line: pay a bit extra (or even for the same price) and get a Windows7 device...
The point is: the iPad is targeted for people who want/need exactly what the iPad has to offer. Nothing more, nothing less.
And because functionality is limited to a restricted field of applications, Apple can wrap everything up in a totally userfriendly GUI, where everything works exactly as one would expect.
It is this experience that makes the iPad so awesome.
Of course I know you can get an HP laptop with touchscreen or a Nokia N900, or whatever you like and has tons of more functionality.
But would you recommend that to your mother? Or wife?
Cheers,
vma
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I agree with you on simplicity of ipad, iphone and ipad. Infact when a GM of my company got a windows mobile (ipaq sort of) It was very difficult for him to use (dunn know it was coz of low specs of hardware of complexity of WM) and returned it in a week. He came from Nokia N70. But when his daughter gifted him iphone he was not only happy but using it like a pro. By the way hi age is around 60 Yrs .... SO i agree on the fact i will recommned iphone or ipad for mother or elederely people.
But anyways had it camera and skype feature, it wud be more advantage gifting it to elderely parents ..
it should have frontcam for video chats (but then iphone should have that too)
and backcam for argument reality
and it should be 16:9 and support 720p
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it should have frontcam for video chats (but then iphone should have that too)
and backcam for argument reality
and it should be 16:9 and support 720p
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Argument Reality: For those theoretical arguments you want to win
I wpuld only buy one if i was gonna get an ipod touch, which i would just use for games
vma said:
That is exactly the point! You and probably most people in this forum would immediatly think in that line: pay a bit extra (or even for the same price) and get a Windows7 device...
The point is: the iPad is targeted for people who want/need exactly what the iPad has to offer. Nothing more, nothing less.
And because functionality is limited to a restricted field of applications, Apple can wrap everything up in a totally userfriendly GUI, where everything works exactly as one would expect.
It is this experience that makes the iPad so awesome.
Of course I know you can get an HP laptop with touchscreen or a Nokia N900, or whatever you like and has tons of more functionality.
But would you recommend that to your mother? Or wife?
Cheers,
vma
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Apple pull this stunt too often and I dont know why people keep falling for it. in 6-12 months they will release one with some additional out of date hardware and maybe a couple of additional connectivity options and call that an advancement.
Have you actually Read a review? Even the sites that traditionally suck up to apple are disapointed.
No I would not recomend any of my family or friends buy this.
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Ars Technica
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/microsofts-first-stab-at-a-pc-surface-reviewed/
Verdict: Surface RT is a nice tablet, but Windows RT is an unknown.
AnandTech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review
LaptopMag
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/microsoft-surface-rt.aspx
Verdict: 3.5/5
Pros: Striking industrial design; Innovative Touch Cover; Sharp display; Microsoft Office included; Long battery life
Cons: Few high-quality apps available for now; Poor-quality cameras; Sluggish and unresponsive at times
The Verdict: The Surface and its innovative Touch Cover proves that Microsoft can make hardware to rival the iPad, but the app ecosystem needs to catch up.
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/t...eils-the-surface-its-first-tablet-review.html
"Sleek Tablet, but Clumsy Software"
ABCNews
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mi...indows-tablet-turned-laptop/story?id=17540348
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/microsoft-surface-rt-video-review-17549478 (video review)
Wired
http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/10/microsoft-surface/all/
AllThingsD
http://allthingsd.com/20121023/hardworking-tablet-with-pc-chops/
Gizmodo
http://gizmodo.com/5953866
TheVerge
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface-review
Verdict: 7/10.
Pluses: Ambitious new software. Solidly made, handsome hardware. Full Office suite. Excellent battery life.
Minuses: Performance is hit or miss. Weak ecosystem. Buggy software. Doesn't live up to hybrid promise.
Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-surface-rt-review/
As a perspective, the Anandtech review compared prelim performance numbers against an (unnamed) Clovertrail tablet:
"On the user experience side alone, the Clovertrail tablet is noticeably quicker than Surface. Surface isn’t slow by any means, but had it used Atom hardware it would’ve been even more responsive.
"Across the board Clovertrail manages a 30 - 50% advantage over Tegra 3. Granted we’re not looking at power consumption here, but the Clovertrail tablet I’m comparing is even smaller/lighter than Surface for what it’s worth."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/10
On the ergonomics of the Touch/TypeCover, a key selling point for Surface:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-surface-rt-review/
"However, the Touch Covers reveal the Surface’s fundamental flaw: The Surface is ungainly large when deployed. When used with the Surface’s kickstand and a Touch Cover, the whole contraption is 10-inches deep. That’s the same depth as a 15-inch MacBook Pro. An iPad with a Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard is only 7-inches deep; most ultrabooks are 9-inches or under. A Surface with a Touch Cover barely fits on most airplane seat-back trays; it doesn’t work at all on the trays that pull out of an armrest. That’s a problem.
"This design makes it very hard to use the Surface with a Touch Cover anywhere but a tabletop. It needs a 10-inch deep flat surface. I could not use the Surface with a Touch Cover sitting in an armchair, walking around, or laying on my back in bed. Forget about using it on the commode; it sits too precariously on the legs for comfort. These are use-cases that I do nearly daily with my iPad and Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard. The Surface is only usable when seated at a table or desk."
On video out:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/6
"On the left edge of the device there’s a custom video out port that can be paired with a Microsoft made VGA or HDMI dongle. I tested HDMI output with Microsoft's dongle and unfortunately the result wasn't very good. The 1080p output had a lot of issues with scaling quality (as you can see from the shot below) and there was a lot of tearing on the screen with a big impact on UI frame rate."
I did have the same thought about plains and trains etc its a real pain. Though its worth noting that you should be able to plug in a standard keyboard and do away with the cover. I really don't think its worth the extra £100 that said I think the whole thing is overpriced! That said I am an MS fanboi so I will be getting mine but I do fear that they went for looks over function.
If I had a spare £1000 the best I have seen by a clear mile is the sony duo 11, that device makes the surface look pathetic but then at double the price it really should.
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I did have the same thought about plains and trains etc its a real pain. Though its worth noting that you should be able to plug in a standard keyboard and do away with the cover. I really don't think its worth the extra £100 that said I think the whole thing is overpriced! That said I am an MS fanboi so I will be getting mine but I do fear that they went for looks over function.
If I had a spare £1000 the best I have seen by a clear mile is the sony duo 11, that device makes the surface look pathetic but then at double the price it really should.
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I love how all these reviewers are ragging on the app selection alleady - The thing is just coming out and all of the apps are being wrtiten for tablet - There's already like 4k and more are to come since its part of full Win8 as well. Even the Ipad doesn't have many apps written just for tablet. What's also frustrating is they are saying how buggy it is - Give me a break, like MS is not going to ever update the thing. I guess the tech world has higher expectations because its MS and they love Apple so much.
Let the product be released and get in the real world for a bit before we cast judgement.
As long as the hardware is solid, which it sounds like it is, the rest will be sorted out.
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I love how all these reviewers are ragging on the app selection allready - The thing is just coming out and all of the apps are wrtiten for tablet - There's already like 4k and more are to come since its part of full Win8 as well. Even the Ipad doesn't have many apps written just for tablet. What's also frustrating is they are saying how buggy it is - Give me a break, like MS is not going to every update the thing.
Let the product be released and get in the real world.
As long as the hardware is solid, which ist sounds like it is, the rest will be sorted out.
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if the reviewers don't point out both positive and negatives of today, when should they?
its been released to the real world, folks are giving real reviews, today.
last i saw the ipad and mini ipad have somewhere near 275,000 applications.
its not mature, that's for sure. if there were no issues to improve, it would stagnate and not change. I love to read honest, real reviews pointing out possibilities for improvement, it means there -will- be improvement.
I've been excited about the Surface since it was first announced... and my excitement held true even after getting my hands on a demo unit... but now, considering the price, looking at the future of Windows RT and finally their announcement that they're cutting order amounts has me second guessing my upcoming purchase.
I just don't think it's a viable platform anymore, I feel like RT will be dead in a year and this device will be the Commodore Amiga of the Tablet world.
Any current users feel the same? Differently? I'm just scared to buy one now.
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I've been excited about the Surface since it was first announced... and my excitement held true even after getting my hands on a demo unit... but now, considering the price, looking at the future of Windows RT and finally their announcement that they're cutting order amounts has me second guessing my upcoming purchase.
I just don't think it's a viable platform anymore, I feel like RT will be dead in a year and this device will be the Commodore Amiga of the Tablet world.
Any current users feel the same? Differently? I'm just scared to buy one now.
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You bought a good tablet, mate. build quality and software is awesome, that's why u got interested in the first place.
On the other hand, will it get support?, i believe in time it will. My reasons is touch screen. Touch is the future, yes x86 apps already exist but they dont exist in touch. So the future being touch will revolutionize the existing apps for touch and this will make room for metro apps. And this is were rt will win.
Secondly the future is portable, x86 is not, rt is. Windows 8 is bridge to what will become sindows of the future, a touch only windows. Besides if MS fails in marketing RT, someone else will want a cut of the pie and market RT.
Lastly, modders will break this device before xmas, sideloading will b possible,emulation will happen and i foresee a future were android emulators will run on this beast. A lot will happen
RT has potential, surface may fail but RT will not cos its light weight and its future proof.
I think RT will not fail. PPL will wait till they see their lovely apps on it but they will come. Windows is used on more than 90% of the computers in the world. So I think its just a matter of time to developers finish and publish their apps. Even if winRT won't get as popular as win8, the code is almost the same which makes easy to publish the same app for Arm.
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you know, the only pros of surface pro over surface IMO is the MKV support and 1080p screen.
2 things that made me return surface are
- lack of MKV support (which 90% of my movies are in mkv)
- low resolution. When i used it while lying down the bed, i tend to use it closer to my eyes than when i'm sitting down. The text doesn't look crisp and i can see pixels in the pictures.
If those 2 reasons won't bother you, surface is one hell of a tablet and for 499$, it's a steal. Remember that it's a tablet, apps would be optimized for touchscreen and you will have great mobility over laptop. The apps are pretty limited for now but i believe developers will start developing for it. I love the surface even though i return it.
I think that the biggest hurdle for Windows RT is the WinRT runtime. It's horribly gimped. I was honestly amazed at how god awful and stunted C# was in WinRT. It's almost as if they intentionally limited it for reasons only MS knows.
First off, Microsoft haven't announced a halving of orders. It is merely conjecture. What they have announced is support for Surface RT until 2017 though we dont know any details around this.
I dont think that Windows RT will be a big platform in the way that other lightweight OS's are - iOS and Android - but I do think it offers something unique. If you use tons of popular apps on other platforms, you will be disappointed in the Surface RT. If you live in a web browser, you will love Surface RT. I am not sure this will change unless those apps come for Windows 8 and can also be cross compiled for Windows RT.
If a 10" tablet is what you want and it fits your life, I see only 2 usable options - an iPad or a Surface RT. Android is awful on 10" tablets.
Sounds to me though that if you want the form factor the Surface brings, then Surface Pro might be more suitable, but I am not convinced it is a viable tablet as Windows desktop mode is horrible to use with touch.
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Sounds to me though that if you want the form factor the Surface brings, then Surface Pro might be more suitable, but I am not convinced it is a viable tablet as Windows desktop mode is horrible to use with touch.
pro =$1000, 4ish hour battery life.
no sales numbers released from rt.
ruh roh.
What about the Lenovo Twist? Windows 8 Pro, i5, 128gb SSD 12.5 touch screen and it is a tablet and laptop.. I returned my Surface and bought a Twist for $699 on BF.. Hoping it will do it all....
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Got to agree with some of the above posts.
RT is the future of windows, it is the new NT, and some of us older users will remember how that was initially received...
The Surface RT is one helluva sexy tablet. In build quality, specs, and screen beauty it just is awesome. Really without software it is way ahead of the whole pack..... I played with it a long time....
But every time I interacted with the windows interface, there was just that familiar slow feeling. I am even now very serious about the Surface RT and am hotly debating buying it. But the software is just slightly underwhelming. I love the Metro interface, but not whats under it.
IF you do web browisng, games, movies and pics ONLY - this is an ABSOLUTELY must buy. The gorgeous experience is unbeatable. But the whole interaction at the windows level tends to wake me up from my dream. Having support for proper PowerPoint with HDMI ouput makes this a traveling presentation platform etc. But apps? apps? apps? You cannot entice people if the apps are missing - you cannot say " buy it now, I guarantee that apps are coming". It does not work with consumers. That it may lead to a slow down fro the Surface is one of my biggest fears.
On a tablet I browse the internet, listen to music, read books, email, and watch some sports. So by my own standard I should buy it. But Windows keeps me away...
One thing I do not agree about as said above - that windows desktop is not for touch. Using the touch laptops I find this to be quite intuitive, coming from a tablet world. Yes, on vertical screens one's hands can get tired to do a lot of touching - holding it up to the screen for extended periods. But I find it much more natural than trackpads - I hate trackpads, even Apple's "magic" trackpad ....
My 2 cents.... I need to decide if I just want a tablet, or a tablet that can double as a small laptop.
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you know, the only pros of surface pro over surface IMO is the MKV support and 1080p screen.
2 things that made me return surface are
- lack of MKV support (which 90% of my movies are in mkv)
- low resolution. When i used it while lying down the bed, i tend to use it closer to my eyes than when i'm sitting down. The text doesn't look crisp and i can see pixels in the pictures.
If those 2 reasons won't bother you, surface is one hell of a tablet and for 499$, it's a steal. Remember that it's a tablet, apps would be optimized for touchscreen and you will have great mobility over laptop. The apps are pretty limited for now but i believe developers will start developing for it. I love the surface even though i return it.
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In less than a month after the release there are at least two applications tha support some mkv. They are still not perfect but it took developers more than a year to get the same result for the iPad.
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Yes, I'm worry about the cut down the numbers of orders for RT reported by suppliers and Microsoft rushing to release the PRO version acting like it will be the saver.
http://ultramobilepc-tips.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-high-risk-behind-surface-pro.html#links
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In less than a month after the release there are at least two applications tha support some mkv. They are still not perfect but it took developers more than a year to get the same result for the iPad.
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Yes, I'm worry about the cut down the numbers of orders for RT reported by suppliers and Microsoft rushing to release the PRO version acting like it will be the saver.
http://ultramobilepc-tips.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-high-risk-behind-surface-pro.html#links
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After hearing the pricing of the pro and the battery limitations, I actually like my Surface RT more now. Unfortunately there is so much pressure for it to beat the IPAD that people write it off without giving it a chance . I like it more and more every day.
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I've been excited about the Surface since it was first announced... and my excitement held true even after getting my hands on a demo unit... but now, considering the price, looking at the future of Windows RT and finally their announcement that they're cutting order amounts has me second guessing my upcoming purchase.
I just don't think it's a viable platform anymore, I feel like RT will be dead in a year and this device will be the Commodore Amiga of the Tablet world.
Any current users feel the same? Differently? I'm just scared to buy one now.
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It very depends on your propose, what you need for it.
for me, i do need a lot excel , ppt, word, and I tried do it on iPad, it sucks. I own a Macbook Air, but a bit trouble while checking something on street .....
After testing Surface for an hour, I love it. Of course if you looking for fun more than a working tab, its not a good choice at this moment as lack of apps support.
Just hope Chrome will come and get more apps soon , then will be the king of tablet im sure.
guitar1969 said:
After hearing the pricing of the pro and the battery limitations, I actually like my Surface RT more now. Unfortunately there is so much pressure for it to beat the IPAD that people write it off without giving it a chance . I like it more and more every day.
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I completely agree. I can't put the damn thing down! The browser experience is sensational. And Xbox music is phenomenally good! I mean free streaming music, albeit with fairly unobtrusive add support.
And as for apps you needn't worry. The company I work for has figured out that Windows 8 is going onto every budget laptop from here on out and the Windows 8 marketplace presents a great opportunity. As such are having their iOS & Android app ported to Win8 as we speak.
Also as another example the impetus to get into Windows 8/RT the VLC Player devs are going to the extreme of going to Kickstarter for funding to hire full time devs to get VLC Player into the Windows 8 marketplace as fast as possible... http://www.wpcentral.com/vlc-starts-kickstarter-windows-8-and-beyond-development-funding
So I sincerely believe the WINRT app catalogue will really take off.
Also, you know it's a good device when the missus is continually wanting it off you!
I agree with others... The RT has a good life to it. The problem IMO, is that people are holding out to see the Pro, then they'll decide.
Honestly I think people will end up with the RT over the Pro.
You just can't use a 10" screen for full desktop applications. It doesn't work.
Also, and this is big, the Pro is not using a Run Time system, that means you must shut it down when not in use, it will suspend instead of sleep, and it will go through battery like mad (they expect 4 hours max).
If you like how fast the Surface RT turns on, and how your e-mails, status updates, and calendar reminders are there, kiss that goodbye with the Pro. It is, for all intents and purposes, a PC in a thin form factor. An engineering marvel for sure, but I think people will expect it to be like the Surface RT, iPad, or Android tab just beefier. When they find out it isn't, I think RT sales will shoot up.
I also read somewhere that the Surface is not optimized to use all the 5 cores of the Tegra3 and it is still running crippled. I believe it came from Nvidia themselves. Once fixed, it should be more responsive. I hope so, because it does seem a bit slow in opening apps and such, although it is tolerable.
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I also read somewhere that the Surface is not optimized to use all the 5 cores of the Tegra3 and it is still running crippled. I believe it came from Nvidia themselves. Once fixed, it should be more responsive. I hope so, because it does seem a bit slow in opening apps and such, although it is tolerable.
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Microsoft will continue to optimise the base firmware of the device to improve performance. They've released one such update already and there will be plenty more to come.
Just look how far they've pushed the Xbox 360.
So I bought the surface about a week ago and decided to write up a review for it. Before I purchased it I went on a 2 day "journey" examining why not to buy it. See I already own a nexus 7, but since Microsoft debut the surface I've been in love with its beauty, plus I'm realizing that 7 inches is enough for me. So I was going to choose between a Nexus 10 and a Surface, and.....an iPad.....
My initial thought was to go with the Nexus 10, I mean, I love android on my phone, HTC One X, my apps would all be able to be re-downloaded, I use google everything, music, drive, docs, etc.... So no brainer right? Wrong, actually the first thing I did was eliminate all Android tablets from thought, for one reason, they are pointless. My nexus 7 was literally a 7 inch version of my HTC One X, not a new experience, it was a big phone. I don't want a big phone, I love my phone, I want a tablet, and in my opinion, the Android OS does not do enough to differentiate the two. So suprisingly I was left with the Surface vs the new iPad. This became an easy choice of do I wan't flash or not, and I choose flash, like I already have.
The specs of the surface don't do it justice, you have to use the device to see the difference. The screen is beautiful, I wouldn't say as beautiful as the iPad screen but the colors are certainly better than the Nexus 10. Plus it shows more on the screen at once than both of the those tablets while having the same clarity in text thanks to Clear Type. Just spend 5 minutes with one at a Best buy and you'll see what I mean. I don't do a lot of tablet gaming, any really sans emulators. And the GPU in the surface is just behind the one in the iPad according to tech sites like anadtech, which still puts it in front of the amazing Exynos in the Nexus 10. Plus, the only browser benchmark I found for it says it scores a 994ms in the sunspider test, which is better than the Nexus 10's 1384ms by a decent amount. So this is a good example of specs being worthless, mostly.
Now to what I love the most about the Surface, IE 10. Feels like I'm browsing on my desktop, not a tablet. I browsed to youtube.com as soon as the tablet booted up for the first time, it loaded right away, fast, and was youtube.com. Not youtube mobile which my nexus 7 likes to send me too, even in chrome.... The video played fine and I cannot overstate how amazing the touch accuracy is, even when using dolphin browser on my nexus the process of selecting 1080p option or even skipping through video is frustrating to say the least... In IE 10 it works exactly like it does on my desktop. And then there is multitasking! Example, yesterday I had google music playing in one tab, was at gmail.com in another g chatting, and used the multi-window feature thingy reading espn news in the espn app, and it felt almost as natural as on my desktop. Another thing that was nice was g-chatting while watching twitch.tv, it feels nice not to have to re-buffer the video, just because I wanted to answer a message on facebook chat. Things like that tell me that I have something more than just a big phone.
Great write-up.
I get what you mean when you say that an Android Tablet is just like having a big phone, and even then, not everything with Android likes the larger screen.
Thanks!
Wow. I was practically in the same scenario as you. I'm not gonna rewrite it here cuz I already have explained why I chose the surface cuz I already have in numerous other threads but ..I too purchased a htc flyer over a year ago thinking it would be awesome cuz its android and I love android...but it was just like my htc phone. even then, my phone was better cuz it was always connected to the internet. So I returned it a week later.
Anyhow, great write up.
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You pretty much summed up my own thoughts on the Surface.
Many people slate (excuse the pun) the Surface for not having as many apps or for having a low-res screen or for having poor hardware specs. I can only assume those people have never used one. I have yet to meet someone who owns a Surface who doesn't absolutely love it.
I've owned Asus Transformer, Nexus 7, and every iPad from 1 to 3 and the Surface is the only tablet that I can actually do some work on.
I updated the EOS3 to 4 on my Xoom yesterday night and found it really counter intuitive compared to the Surface, I've got loads of apps on Play though but the kids can use that and I'll use the Surface as I can see myself shifting from Google to Microsoft, have a Surface now and a Nokia 920 on order..
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I updated the EOS3 to 4 on my Xoom yesterday night and found it really counter intuitive compared to the Surface, I've got loads of apps on Play though but the kids can use that and I'll use the Surface as I can see myself shifting from Google to Microsoft, have a Surface now and a Nokia 920 on order..
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I made the shift in total.
Android Tablets to Surface
Android Phones to WP8 (920 here as well)
GMail to Outlook.com (I hate what Goggle did to their IMAP that makes it almost useless for non-android phones)
Google Calendar to Outlook
Google Drive to SkyDrive
I am not totally untethered from Google and love it! I have not lost a thing and in some respects, gained a lot!!
I looked at a surface next to a new iPad, sorry iPad's screen alone beats the crap out the MSFT offering.
If I need a smaller factor tablet I think Nexus 7 is a top contender tied with NoteII, I just despise Samsung TouchWiz interface.
Nice to hear, I wasnt a huge Google fan to start with but then I got my DHD and then a few tablets, the only thing that I'll end up keeping on Google is my YouTube account by the looks of it..
One thing I do want to be able to do it have a map that shows all friends in a group by address as I run a club that I have everyones address for, if I could show that on a map, either with google or bing that'd be pretty neat..
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I looked at a surface next to a new iPad, sorry iPad's screen alone beats the crap out the MSFT offering.
If I need a smaller factor tablet I think Nexus 7 is a top contender tied with NoteII, I just despise Samsung TouchWiz interface.
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Have to agree here. As an iPad 3rd gen owner and a new Surface RT owner - the iPad screen wins hands down. I am enjoying my time with Surface, but I cant help but feel in the back of my mind that I will be missing out on a LOT when the Pro comes out. After checking out some of the hands-on across the web regarding the Pro I have to say I am very impressed.
I'll have to give it a lot of thought, as the Pro variant will be a lot more $$. There are some things I have been using as a workaround, such as using RDC when I want to use desktop apps - but the trade-off is how slow it is if I am working remote. I also am not a fan of IE10 at all, TBH - but all the other offerings are terrible.
As someone that was an early adopter of the 1st gen iPad, I remember what that was like and how much more restricted I felt then than I do now with the iPad. In a lot of ways I feel the same with Surface in the sense that I pick it up to do a few things but get an itch to want to switch to another device to get it done easier and/or more quickly.
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Have to agree here. As an iPad 3rd gen owner and a new Surface RT owner - the iPad screen wins hands down. I am enjoying my time with Surface, but I cant help but feel in the back of my mind that I will be missing out on a LOT when the Pro comes out. After checking out some of the hands-on across the web regarding the Pro I have to say I am very impressed.
I'll have to give it a lot of thought, as the Pro variant will be a lot more $$. There are some things I have been using as a workaround, such as using RDC when I want to use desktop apps - but the trade-off is how slow it is if I am working remote. I also am not a fan of IE10 at all, TBH - but all the other offerings are terrible.
As someone that was an early adopter of the 1st gen iPad, I remember what that was like and how much more restricted I felt then than I do now with the iPad. In a lot of ways I feel the same with Surface in the sense that I pick it up to do a few things but get an itch to want to switch to another device to get it done easier and/or more quickly.
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What device do you switch to in an attempt to get more work done? Just wondering.
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What device do you switch to in an attempt to get more work done? Just wondering.
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I am still using both my 3rd gen iPad and my Surface RT. I use both for work. Depending on the task, I keep switching between the two. I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 as well - but I primarily just use it as a media consumption device, and its usually in the hands of my wife.
The company I work for, like many Im sure, is primarily a windows shop. The Surface does integrate much easier with native Office for example. On the iPad, I was using Pages, Numbers & Keynote for Word, Excel and PPT. As a heavy mac user at home, I was used to these apps, but if I need to convert docs from Pages to Word for example, so others can open the doc - sometimes I run into compatibility issues.
Where I run into issues though... since I cant install legacy apps on the surface I can work in software such as IBM Access, Mochasoft, etc. There are apps for these in the app store for the iPad. Once the Surface Pro comes out, I have a feeling that my iPad will be moving more and more to the side as a straight media consumption device.