[Q] Can't reboot into CWM, kernel Security fail - Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III

Phone - Galaxy S3 I535 (Verizon)
Currently on 4.1.1
I535VRBLK3
Kernel Version 3.0.31-381038
I used this guide to root (http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-root/how-to-root-verizon-galaxy-s3-sch-i535/) and want to install this custom rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028443) as an end product.
Alright, so I had a rooted phone, wanted to get the 4.1.2 pushed update, wouldn't work, and stripped my phone to unrooted, stock ROM with a factory data wipe. So far I've gotten back to rooting my phone, downloading ROM manager, and flashing CWM recovery successfully. However, when I go to reboot into recovery mode, it won't load anything, saying "Unauthorized Software was detected blah blah blah" and then at the top it says "Secure Fail: Kernel".
I've been searching and I can't find anything that makes sense to try, and I don't want to brick my phone. I have no idea what to do from here, so does anyone have any advice or a fix? I can navigate a computer with the best of them, but these androids are throwing me for a loop.
Thanks in advance guys.

You need to make sure the bootloader is unlocked before you can boot into recovery. As long as you have functional root access you can download EZ-Unlock version 1.2 and install it. Then run it and click unlock. If it tells you that you are already unlocked, click lock and then unlock. You can find it various places here on the forums.

Haha, as soon as I ran through that, it worked like a charm thanks for the advice

Help Please!
Eroth said:
Phone - Galaxy S3 I535 (Verizon)
Currently on 4.1.1
I535VRBLK3
Kernel Version 3.0.31-381038
I used this guide to root (http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-root/how-to-root-verizon-galaxy-s3-sch-i535/) and want to install this custom rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028443) as an end product.
Alright, so I had a rooted phone, wanted to get the 4.1.2 pushed update, wouldn't work, and stripped my phone to unrooted, stock ROM with a factory data wipe. So far I've gotten back to rooting my phone, downloading ROM manager, and flashing CWM recovery successfully. However, when I go to reboot into recovery mode, it won't load anything, saying "Unauthorized Software was detected blah blah blah" and then at the top it says "Secure Fail: Kernel".
I've been searching and I can't find anything that makes sense to try, and I don't want to brick my phone. I have no idea what to do from here, so does anyone have any advice or a fix? I can navigate a computer with the best of them, but these androids are throwing me for a loop.
Thanks in advance guys.
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BigErnM said:
You need to make sure the bootloader is unlocked before you can boot into recovery. As long as you have functional root access you can download EZ-Unlock version 1.2 and install it. Then run it and click unlock. If it tells you that you are already unlocked, click lock and then unlock. You can find it various places here on the forums.
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Sorry to resurrect an older post, but I have the same exact problem as the OP, but I have 4.3 on the S3. I've read in other forums that the bootloader cannot be unlocked on 4.3, and that trying to do so will brick the phone. So what do I do? Shouldn't I still be able to boot into recovery even with a locked bootloader?

psteichen said:
Sorry to resurrect an older post, but I have the same exact problem as the OP, but I have 4.3 on the S3. I've read in other forums that the bootloader cannot be unlocked on 4.3, and that trying to do so will brick the phone. So what do I do? Shouldn't I still be able to boot into recovery even with a locked bootloader?
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In short you don't need to have an unlocked bootloader to enter recovery, but you do need one to install a custom recovery.

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[Q] What is the best option for my situation?

So I have a ns4g that I attempted to root but got hung up and am now stuck with a unlocked bootloader but no super user. So as I see it I have 3 options (if you see others PLEASE TELL ME)
1. somehow get my bootloader locked again and go back to stock (unroot)
2. keep unlocked bootloader and eventually accept ics ota (will this be ok or will having an unlocked bootloader much things up with the ota?)
3. figure out a way to finish the root process I'm sort of in the middle of (aka get super user)
If it matters I am running 2.3.7 and using a macbook running 10.7.2
What would you guys suggest?
jmelick07 said:
So I have a ns4g that I attempted to root but got hung up and am now stuck with a unlocked bootloader but no super user. So as I see it I have 3 options (if you see others PLEASE TELL ME)
1. somehow get my bootloader locked again and go back to stock (unroot)
2. keep unlocked bootloader and eventually accept ics ota (will this be ok or will having an unlocked bootloader much things up with the ota?)
3. figure out a way to finish the root process I'm sort of in the middle of (aka get super user)
If it matters I am running 2.3.7 and using a macbook running 10.7.2
What would you guys suggest?
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flash a custom recovery(cwm or twrp) via fastboot, then flash a custom rom(and gapps). thats all you need. all the custom roms out there have root. you dont have to flash superuser.
How do I flash cwm? I think when I did this before I had the wrong version as it didn't allow for me to mount after I unlocked the bootloader
Use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1250583 to root! It will recognize that your bootloader is already unlocked and skips to flashing CMW and giving you root! There's a youtube video showing it in action if you get stuck by qbking!
Will this work with osx?
jmelick07 said:
How do I flash cwm? I think when I did this before I had the wrong version as it didn't allow for me to mount after I unlocked the bootloader
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heres the latest version of cwm recovery for the nexus s(not ns4G) http://download.clockworkmod.com/recoveries/recovery-clockwork-5.0.2.0-crespo.img
heres where all the cwm recoveries can be found, including the ns4g http://clockworkmod.com/rommanager
Ok, now how do I get that img on my phone?
The cwm for ns4g that I just downloaded that is
I'm fairly content just waiting for the google ics ota... when that comes will it mess my phone up because of my unlocked bootloader?
or even better can someone write me instructions to lock my bootloader?
I found this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875630
But obviously there are steps before this to have the terminal put these commands towards the phone.
jmelick07 said:
Ok, now how do I get that img on my phone?
The cwm for ns4g that I just downloaded that is
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look at part 3 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007782
only you dont need superuser, any custom rom has root.
Ok, I think I just want to relock my phone and wait for the ota...
I've tried just going into terminal and typing "fastboot oem lock" and it says that the command is not found... what did I do wrong?
You don't need to lock bootoader to get ota.
I've read before that accepting an ota with an unlocked bootloader will brick your phone... Can anyone else confirm that it's ok to accept the eventual ota with an unlocked bootloader?

Recommendations on OTA (ATT 4.0.3/4.0/1.73)

Hey all,
I rooted my HOX (1.73, 4.0.3) with the kpenn ne-Click a few days after I got it for the Tether and to de-bloat. Since then I haven't read anything on the One X till I heard Jelly Bean coming along. Anyhoo my question is what the upside of getting the new OTA (4.0.4) would be and how I would go about it if I wanted to (I've never updated before and ATT has stopped asking me to update, also I get nothing when I try to check for an update).
I've been reading around and it seems like most people are on to 1.85 and are flashing 4.1/2.2. My primary uses of my phone are for the media applications/web browsing and I haven't noticed any real drop in performance but I have heard the new updates have sped up the HOX considerably which is something I'm always interested in.
Thanks!
DON'T flash any OTA you will lose your root and will lose your ability to re root because there is no boot loader unlock for the new base. If you want to update and flash a new ROM and want to stick to sense, look at clean rom or xi40. Both are updated on the new base and are heaps and bounds better than the original ATT software :thumbup:
Shaddy-Z. said:
DON'T flash any OTA you will lose your root and will lose your ability to re root because there is no boot loader unlock for the new base. If you want to update and flash a new ROM and want to stick to sense, look at clean rom or xi40. Both are updated on the new base and are heaps and bounds better than the original ATT software :thumbup:
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i one-clicked unrooted my phone earlier and freaked out (and the new updates didn't work out on my phone anyway). i ended up getting kpenn's one click again and putting SU back into my phone. Do you have any links that can take me on a step by step process of unlocking my phone and flashing those roms on it? I just love being able to control my phone and pushing it to its absolute limits.
Sigh. I followed the tutorial but I made a few mistakes...
1) I unlocked my phone way earlier than I should have so I wiped everything before I could make a back-up..
2) Re-locked accordingly to see if I could keep updating. I did manage to get to 1.85 like the tutorial said but.....
3) Since I didn't have a custom recovery I wasn't sure how to proceed. I couldn't get the root to flash so I tried using the 1-click 1.85 root since my phone was running 1.85.
....This ended up updating to 2.2 so now I have an unlocked HOX 2.2/4.0.4. With all the bloat.
Dumb dumb dumb. Ugh.
Pbdeng said:
Sigh. I followed the tutorial but I made a few mistakes...
1) I unlocked my phone way earlier than I should have so I wiped everything before I could make a back-up..
2) Re-locked accordingly to see if I could keep updating. I did manage to get to 1.85 like the tutorial said but.....
3) Since I didn't have a custom recovery I wasn't sure how to proceed. I couldn't get the root to flash so I tried using the 1-click 1.85 root since my phone was running 1.85.
....This ended up updating to 2.2 so now I have an unlocked HOX 2.2/4.0.4. With all the bloat.
Dumb dumb dumb. Ugh.
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it's UNLOCKED?
you're lucky then.
just push a recovery like twrp then push root. Then you can debloat.
Yep, it's still unlocked. That was around the 4-7th reset I did (I messed up a lot). Do you have a link that shows me how to do that? I'm actually not as bummed about going to 2.2 since it runs so much faster than 1.73 did.
Pbdeng said:
Yep, it's still unlocked. That was around the 4-7th reset I did (I messed up a lot). Do you have a link that shows me how to do that? I'm actually not as bummed about going to 2.2 since it runs so much faster than 1.73 did.
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make sure you have your unlock token and then go to http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/unlock-instructions/page-4/
and follow the directions.
after that look at this thread to install twrp http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1777773
then this one to re-root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673935
I notice one of the links is for 1.85. Does that mean that I'll go from 2.2 back to 1.85? I just wanted to make sure since my impression from the forums is that there is no 2.2 root yet unless it was flashed.
Pbdeng said:
I notice one of the links is for 1.85. Does that mean that I'll go from 2.2 back to 1.85? I just wanted to make sure since my impression from the forums is that there is no 2.2 root yet unless it was flashed.
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no those pages just tell you how to manually install root and recovery.
your bootloader is still unlockable
unlock it
then install a recovery
then install root via that recovery
Ahh, thanks a bunch man.
Sorry if this is repetitive....
So I've checked my phone and currently it states that it is
"Re-locked"
I downloaded a recovery so it's currently on my phone. Furthermore I all ready had a copy of SU sitting in my phone's download folder.
Does this mean that I'm going to...
- Unlock bootloader (that is currently relocked) and have everything erased again.
- Reboot from recovery (of the evita 2.2.img I just downloaded with TWRP)
- Then flash the SU root I all ready have on my phone?
Pbdeng said:
Sorry if this is repetitive....
So I've checked my phone and currently it states that it is
"Re-locked"
I downloaded a recovery so it's currently on my phone. Furthermore I all ready had a copy of SU sitting in my phone's download folder.
Does this mean that I'm going to...
- Unlock bootloader (that is currently relocked) and have everything erased again.
- Reboot from recovery (of the evita 2.2.img I just downloaded with TWRP)
- Then flash the SU root I all ready have on my phone?
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yeah unlock the boot loader. set up the phone again
then install the recovery then root.
to make your unlock stick, turn off fastboot in power options, then power down phone completely then restart it to the bootloader.
Hmm, so my phone is definitely unlocked now. I installed the recovery and I manually flashedthe new SuperSU in that link you posted for me. As far as I can tell nothing is happening.
Note: It says that it installs the recovery but there is no reboot that occurs. I've done this both with the android app and manually and nothing is happening.
I don't see SuperSU and rootchecker is confirming that my phone isn't rooted yet.
so you reboot to recovery, choose the superSU package to install then what happens?
I know this works I've done it quite a few times myself.
Presently I installed the latest img file with TWRP with the app. There is not reboot that occurs (unless I'm suppose to reboot on my own?). If that's the case then I've been a total idiot.
I've just been installing the openrecovery and then I press "Flash Roms" to flash the supersu. I get a little notification that says "Preparing to Flash" and then nada.
After you install twrp recovery you reboot. Then you boot to recovery and flash the super su zip manually
Wooh! I got it to work! Thank you so much!
Pbdeng said:
Wooh! I got it to work! Thank you so much!
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No problemmo.
Does this also mean that I can flash any ROMs I want on my phone now?
Yes. But you will have to flash kernels aka boot.img separately using fast boot.

Jelly Bean OTA effects on rooting, unlocking bootloader etc...

Basically I'm asking before I apply the ORA whether or not it will be a harder, easier, or exactly the same process to get root and unlock the bootloader.
Any extra steps to flash or incompatible roms afterwards?
Just curious. I am not rooted but have studied the process to where I know I could if I wanted to. Wondering if applying the OTA will change what I already know and/or make it harder to get root.
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GoodVibrant-ions said:
Basically I'm asking before I apply the ORA whether or not it will be a harder, easier, or exactly the same process to get root and unlock the bootloader.
Any extra steps to flash or incompatible roms afterwards?
Just curious. I am not rooted but have studied the process to where I know I could if I wanted to. Wondering if applying the OTA will change what I already know and/or make it harder to get root.
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Check out this thread over in the dev section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046439
GoodVibrant-ions said:
Basically I'm asking before I apply the ORA whether or not it will be a harder, easier, or exactly the same process to get root and unlock the bootloader.
Any extra steps to flash or incompatible roms afterwards?
Just curious. I am not rooted but have studied the process to where I know I could if I wanted to. Wondering if applying the OTA will change what I already know and/or make it harder to get root.
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I re rooted after going back to stock ICS. Verified root, then upgraded to OTA Jellybean. Root stayed via OTA Rootkeeper.
GoodVibrant-ions said:
Basically I'm asking before I apply the ORA whether or not it will be a harder, easier, or exactly the same process to get root and unlock the bootloader.
Any extra steps to flash or incompatible roms afterwards?
Just curious. I am not rooted but have studied the process to where I know I could if I wanted to. Wondering if applying the OTA will change what I already know and/or make it harder to get root.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda app-developers app
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If you use cwm6 you won't lose anything. Accept the update, after booting into recovery cwm will ask if you want to install un trusted . zip. Say yes. It installs, just before reboot it will ask if you want to keep root, then ask if you want to keep custom recovery. Answer yes and you're good. It will reboot and say update failed but that's just because you kept the recovery. If you go to check for update it will say you are up to date.
Frunple said:
If you use cwm6 you won't lose anything. Accept the update, after booting into recovery cwm will ask if you want to install un trusted . zip. Say yes. It installs, just before reboot it will ask if you want to keep root, then ask if you want to keep custom recovery. Answer yes and you're good. It will reboot and say update failed but that's just because you kept the recovery. If you go to check for update it will say you are up to date.
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This is correct. Same thing happened on my rooted GS 3. The update menu said "failed" but the update did actually take.
But don't do what I just did: try to back up the ROM Manager. It will not make the phone happy. Now stuck at the soft brick screen. Argh
Knightvision said:
This is correct. Same thing happened on my rooted GS 3. The update menu said "failed" but the update did actually take.
But don't do what I just did: try to back up the ROM Manager. It will not make the phone happy. Now stuck at the soft brick screen. Argh
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If you haven't already fixed it, this happened to me upgrading to the various JB leaks once when I forgot to re-unlock the bootloader and tried to boot into CWM recovery. It gave me the Verizon warning screen, but I was able to use the Vol. Down + Home method to get into download mode and then just had the phone reboot. It booted normally and then you can use EZ-unlock to unlock the bootloader again. It might tell you that it is already unlocked, which isn't right so lock it and then unlock it.
BigErnM said:
If you haven't already fixed it, this happened to me upgrading to the various JB leaks once when I forgot to re-unlock the bootloader and tried to boot into CWM recovery. It gave me the Verizon warning screen, but I was able to use the Vol. Down + Home method to get into download mode and then just had the phone reboot. It booted normally and then you can use EZ-unlock to unlock the bootloader again. It might tell you that it is already unlocked, which isn't right so lock it and then unlock it.
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I can confirm that this method works. I used Voodoo to keep my root and then answered yes to allowing CWM to install the unsigned .zip and answered yes to keeping root. I then got the dreaded Verizon warning triangle and was prepared to Odin back to Stock and start over. Just by chance I went into download mode and it allowed me boot my Rom. Once in, I checked EZ-unlock and it said I was unlocked, so I went ahead and locked and then unlocked and all was good! Hope this helps saves someone else some hassle.
Real_JESRadio said:
I re rooted after going back to stock ICS. Verified root, then upgraded to OTA Jellybean. Root stayed via OTA Rootkeeper.
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man I tried this but it didnt work rootkeeper says its rooted but no root access the super user app is there...could i have done something wrong?? do i have do something after i upgrade to get to work?? thanx
BigErnM said:
If you haven't already fixed it, this happened to me upgrading to the various JB leaks once when I forgot to re-unlock the bootloader and tried to boot into CWM recovery. It gave me the Verizon warning screen, but I was able to use the Vol. Down + Home method to get into download mode and then just had the phone reboot. It booted normally and then you can use EZ-unlock to unlock the bootloader again. It might tell you that it is already unlocked, which isn't right so lock it and then unlock it.
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It's fixed now. The CMW recovery mode wasn't working for some reason. Whatever broke ROM Manager did so by breaking CMW Recovery. I blame myself for stupidly trying to run a backup like that. Anyway, all I could get was the triangle screen and it would only reboot to that or the CMW that wasn't working. Ended up putting it in Odin mode and reflashing with one of the no-wipe leaks. Works fine now. And VZW says I am up to date.
Will get around to rerooting/unlocking again later today. And smacking myself for getting into this mess.
Good to learn from mistakes that are not fatal. Good to have LOTS of resources to figure out how to bail it out too!

[Q] Need help with unrooting VZW GSIII

Hey everyone,
Recently I rooted my GS3 using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984436
After a successful root, I tried to run CWM and all of the sudden it rebooted to a screen that said "software not authorized by Verizon Wireless". This is not so much a problem since I can just boot into downloading mode and then cancel and it will boot normally, but it seems I have tripped the flash counter.
My question is whether or not you think my bootloader is unlocked. I want to unroot my phone because I realize that I do not know enough information about rooting to continue with custom ROMs and I am having connectivity issues after I rooted so I want to go back to factory settings. I want to know the best way to unroot my phone, I have read that I need to use Triangle Away, but it says that it will brick my phone if I use it on a locked bootloader, so I am not sure what to do at this point.
Please let me know if anyone has some suggestions!
Thanks :good:
twofooted said:
Hey everyone,
Recently I rooted my GS3 using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984436
After a successful root, I tried to run CWM and all of the sudden it rebooted to a screen that said "software not authorized by Verizon Wireless". This is not so much a problem since I can just boot into downloading mode and then cancel and it will boot normally, but it seems I have tripped the flash counter.
My question is whether or not you think my bootloader is unlocked. I want to unroot my phone because I realize that I do not know enough information about rooting to continue with custom ROMs and I am having connectivity issues after I rooted so I want to go back to factory settings. I want to know the best way to unroot my phone, I have read that I need to use Triangle Away, but it says that it will brick my phone if I use it on a locked bootloader, so I am not sure what to do at this point.
Please let me know if anyone has some suggestions!
Thanks :good:
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Sounds like you understand most of it, you just didn't unlock your bootloader properly.
Download ez unlock version 1.2 and install that, you can unlock your bootloader from there. At that point you can flash any custom rom or use your custom recovery without issues. But if you want to go back to stock...
Download triangle away then run it, that will reset your flash counter.
Then Odin flash a stock Rom, then accept any ota needed, then you're completely stock.
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BadUsername said:
Download ez unlock version 1.2 and install that, you can unlock your bootloader from there. At that point you can flash any custom rom or use your custom recovery without issues. But if you want to go back to stock...
Download triangle away then run it, that will reset your flash counter.
Then Odin flash a stock Rom, then accept any ota needed, then you're completely stock
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Thanks, will I need to still download ez unlock before running triangle away?
twofooted said:
Thanks, will I need to still download ez unlock before running triangle away?
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I think so, you mentioned that the app needed you to have the bootloader unlocked. EZ unlock is how you do that, so I would do that first.
BadUsername said:
I think so, you mentioned that the app needed you to have the bootloader unlocked. EZ unlock is how you do that, so I would do that first.
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Thanks! EZ-Unlock worked perfectly. I went ahead and unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM 10.2. Figured I might as well try something out while its rooted.
twofooted said:
Thanks! EZ-Unlock worked perfectly. I went ahead and unlocked the bootloader and flashed CM 10.2. Figured I might as well try something out while its rooted.
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That's exactly what I wanted you to say, hope you have a good experience.
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BadUsername said:
That's exactly what I wanted you to say
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Glad I could make your night. Working great so far, thanks again for the help.

[Q] 1st Hard Brick, I Think?

Got the Casual Root, Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery .jar file about a week ago. Rooted my phone, no problem. A few days later unlocked the bootloader, no problem. Just installed ClockWorkMod Touch Recovery and tried to boot into it and got the yellow triangle with "System software not authorized by Verizon found on your phone. Turn off and go to store for help. At the top in red "Secure Fail:Kernel. Did I just brick my phone? Searched for a way out and found a few but they are for 4.3 and I'm running 4.1.1 and not sure if it's even bricked. Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
BoJatey said:
Got the Casual Root, Unlock Bootloader, Install Custom Recovery .jar file about a week ago. Rooted my phone, no problem. A few days later unlocked the bootloader, no problem. Just installed ClockWorkMod Touch Recovery and tried to boot into it and got the yellow triangle with "System software not authorized by Verizon found on your phone. Turn off and go to store for help. At the top in red "Secure Fail:Kernel. Did I just brick my phone? Searched for a way out and found a few but they are for 4.3 and I'm running 4.1.1 and not sure if it's even bricked. Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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You unlocked through casual right? Sometimes it doesn't always take properly.
Boot into download mode, and hit volume down to force the phone to boot into the system. Download ez unlock version 1.2 and install it, open it and unlock, then you're good to go.
If you can't get that to work, you need to Odin this rom, reroot with casual, then get ez unlock and make sure you're unlocked before you flash a custom recovery:
http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23134718111254196
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Yeah, tried to unlock with Casual. Tried DL mode before I posted and didn't work. Worked now and up and running. So the phone locked because bootloader wasn't unlocked when I tried to flash recovery. Got it. Thanks, thought I bricked it.
BoJatey said:
Yeah, tried to unlock with Casual. Tried DL mode before I posted and didn't work. Worked now and up and running. So the phone locked because bootloader wasn't unlocked when I tried to flash recovery. Got it. Thanks, thought I bricked it.
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You did brick it.
Easy fix though, glad you are up and running again quickly.
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BadUsername said:
You did brick it.
Easy fix though, glad you are up and running again quickly.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
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Thank you again. Installed the latest CWM Touch I think and now just need to pick a ROM. With my DroidX all I had to do was root , install recovery and flash. Now I'm seeing custom kernels and modems and firmware. Think I'll read a little more and flash on the weekend. Thanks again. By the way, which Rom did you link me to that you wanted me to flash?
Added later: Going to go ahead and flash that zip you sent. It doesn't say what it is but I think it's the 4.1.2 stock or some version of it. Want to get on that before I try customs. Thanks again.

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