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This may be a little random but I felt like people might be interested. Went through Best Buy today and of course browsed the Android tablets. Both the TF201 and TF300 have the 4.1.1 update installed, and their TF700 had 4.0.3. 30 update. I ran quadrant on all of them and, interestingly, the TF700 had the highest score in the low 4000's (around 4200). The prime and 300 got high to mid 3000s respectively (about 3700 - 3500) which is honestly pretty terrible for a Quad core slab. All of the tablets suffered from ****ty I/O scores, the highest being 1200 on the Infinity. So all our hopes of Asus improving the I/O flaws with their stock OTA are almost certainly dashed. As a final aside, these are just floor models and results will vary from tablet to tablet, but it just seems like the 4.1.1 update is going to be underwhelming for the most part.
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wow, i was hoping JB will fix or at least workaround the I/O issue.. for the quadrant score, i don't believe we can compare both tablets as each is running at a different CPU speed even with JB on the TF300 (1.2 Ghz vs 1.6 Ghz)...
Benchmarks are not always indicative of real-world performance. We all know that the hardware cannot be improved by a firmware update, BUT, things can be done to mask the slow I/O, so the benchmarks aren't so important...
Besides, if you are really concerned with I/O being a bottleneck, you will most likely be installing a custom ROM anyhow, which, as we've already seen (with Zeus) can mask the I/O issues (if it even affects your daily use to begin with).
In my case, it's never been a *real* problem to begin with, as I'm not normally downloading a huge file while doing other things. If I'm going to download a huge file, it certainly wouldn't be from my tablet anyway (I would use a hardwired laptop/PC to download said file). Tablets aren't meant to be used for downloading huge files... yes, it can be done, but it's not something that would be recommended.
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This may be a little random but I felt like people might be interested. Went through Best Buy today and of course browsed the Android tablets. Both the TF201 and TF300 have the 4.1.1 update installed, and their TF700 had 4.0.3. 30 update. I ran quadrant on all of them and, interestingly, the TF700 had the highest score in the low 4000's (around 4200). The prime and 300 got high to mid 3000s respectively (about 3700 - 3500) which is honestly pretty terrible for a Quad core slab. All of the tablets suffered from ****ty I/O scores, the highest being 1200 on the Infinity. So all our hopes of Asus improving the I/O flaws with their stock OTA are almost certainly dashed. As a final aside, these are just floor models and results will vary from tablet to tablet, but it just seems like the 4.1.1 update is going to be underwhelming for the most part.
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Multiple discussion and in my opinion no true conclusion.
As jtrosky indicated benchmarks are number. It stresses system and measures the maximum capability. Just to put into simple context. If you are benchmark test believer, my Antutu score without any special tweak or custom rom other than turned off bloatwares and installed browser2ram, I get 13000+ Antutu total benchmark score. One can argue that Antutu total score if reflective of overall real life experience therefore, this tablet performs the best.
Alternative would be just as many are concerned, just pick the worst benchmark score subsection or component and conclude that the reflective of real life performance. This approach is technically not a bad idea as you basically making an assumption of bottleneck, which max out the entire system performance even before rest of the component can show their true power.
However, one flaw for applying this to IO. That the system is not sequential linear operation i.e. IO -> RAM -> Cache -> CPU/GPU -> Cache -> RAM -> IO then next cycle of operation. It is much more complex than this, and if it was truly above, no system can perform well in current days standard because no nand device is faster than the RAM, and no RAM is faster than the Cache. Also, why would desktop with much slower hard drive perform so well? (assuming other components are good).
Just as an example, instead of doing above one at a time and go back to IO, if you do two operations before you write back to IO, then what happens? You didn't really change nand writing speed, but you can potentially double the overall experience. Obviously, in order to do this RAM and Cache must have enough space to allow two operations before writing back, and also RAM and Cache as well as actual CPU/GPU processing has to be more than 2x faster than IO.
In any event, I am just bringing up an example that benchmark especially picking one component that is relatively lower end of processing chain is not the entire reflection of the system performance. You can do several things (in theory) to make overall performance increase.
My understanding of all these concern came up initially because of
1. Frequent Application Not responding
2. System lag/stutter while downloading/installing applications from Google Play
3. System lag/stutter while downloading file over wifi
Based on my experience (I had infinity from the day #1 release in US, and returned it after 4 weeks and now back), I had significant ANR initially which lead me to seek for alternative device. #3 is well demonstrated on Anandtech video. #2 is most of us experience at one point for sure.
However, currently on my stock rom with bloatware turned off browser2ram installed,
#1 is pretty much completely gone. And Prime user's forum have several comments stating significant improvement specifically about ANRs.
#2 is also reportedly improved according to some comment in prime user's forum after JB.
#3 is I have proven with my video on other thread either because of browser2ram or more recent firmware update, it had significantly improved/eliminated what Anandtech showed back in July.
We should be more concerned if IO issue was actually at RAM level because only way to fix it would be Cache but that has such small space to work. However, if we were to believe benchmark, Antutu RAM score on Infinity is better than that of Galaxy Note 10.1
Now I am not saying though ASUS will indeed fix these. Even there may be potential solution, they simply may not do so... So if you are having truly IO related issue, and after JB you don't see the improvement to the degree of your satisfaction, you may have to use custom rom. If you don't have Infinity yet, and considering buy it from place you can return after Jellybean update and use the system on your own for daily use and see if you can notice any issue because there is a chance that you may not even see the problem. So in the end what is that you are trying to fix (if there is still an issue).
The benchmark score? Or what deemed to be IO based issue? I am pretty sure it is latter and ask yourself so what's the IO issue that you have/had? Because to be honest, again I had issues originally but I no longer have any of those. Yes. I can crash my system by downloading 1GB system in background over wifi and try to play Horn, but I can crash my PC when encoding MP4 and try to play high end graphic game. It really depends on what you want to do.
Awesome post housashen!!! IV never had I/o issues and IV downloaded 6 torrents simultaneously and never had an issue browsing at the same time. This is my 4th infinity (returned the others for build issues) and never had I/o issues on any of them.
I think this whole io thing is overblown and I also believe we have by far the best tablet on the market.
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Benchmarks are not always indicative of real-world performance. We all know that the hardware cannot be improved by a firmware update, BUT, things can be done to mask the slow I/O, so the benchmarks aren't so important...
Besides, if you are really concerned with I/O being a bottleneck, you will most likely be installing a custom ROM anyhow, which, as we've already seen (with Zeus) can mask the I/O issues (if it even affects your daily use to begin with).
In my case, it's never been a *real* problem to begin with, as I'm not normally downloading a huge file while doing other things. If I'm going to download a huge file, it certainly wouldn't be from my tablet anyway (I would use a hardwired laptop/PC to download said file). Tablets aren't meant to be used for downloading huge files... yes, it can be done, but it's not something that would be recommended.
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While I agree tabs weren't originally designed for this, I will say many people are using the tab/dock combo more like a net book/laptop now and days. So I can see the desire for these features (large file download). For instance I'm at the airport and realize crap, forgot to put a movie on tab for my flight. So I use my bionic and tether 4g goodness and try to dl a movie for the flight. It takes well over 2 hrs to dl because the I/O limits to about 200k/sec. That is an issue for flash memory. I should honestly just start downloading to my phone and then transfer the file to my tab (light bulb just went on) or remember to do it before I leave.
I would like to call bull right now, first of all let's stop over reaching with this tablet. This tablet is by far the best tablet on the market right now no matter what operating system the tablet carries. Is it perfect? No, it has bugs and there are some defective units out there which is expected from any tech company. Android is trying their best to catch up with how far the hardware has progressed since honeycomb so there will be browser issues and other bugs. Saying that the IO issue will never be resolved is malarkey especially with people saying the Zeus Rom made some serious improvements. I don't expect for an 8 gb file to transfer over in 30 seconds. Not gonna happen on a tablet. Even though they say it houses a quad core only an idiot would expect i5 or i7 or even AMD Phenom performance from a tablet so thin and light. Even so Android is just getting it together with JB concerning getting the OS to match the hardware. I have had a few tablets and by far the TF700 is the best one of them all. I have had apps force close and other bugs but that is to be expected when the hardware is more advanced than the OS. ICS is just not optimized for a tablet with specs like this. Will JB solve all the issues with this tablet? Probably not but I don't expect to have a bug free electronic device to begin with.....its just comes with the territory especially from something so thin and light with so much under the hood. Lets come back to reality and just enjoy the tablet for what it is...a tablet and not the cure all of all electronic devices. I know some will say the tablet costs 499 or even 599 and I believe its worth every penny I spent.....I just don't expect it to perform like a laptop or desktop I expect it to perform like a portable device and we all know portable devices are buggy because they are portable. Those that have this tablet could afford it otherwise we would have gotten a lappy but we didn't we got a tabby. IJS
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I would like to call bull right now, first of all let's stop over reaching with this tablet. This tablet is by far the best tablet on the market right now no matter what operating system the tablet carries. Is it perfect? No, it has bugs and there are some defective units out there which is expected from any tech company. Android is trying their best to catch up with how far the hardware has progressed since honeycomb so there will be browser issues and other bugs. Saying that the IO issue will never be resolved is malarkey especially with people saying the Zeus Rom made some serious improvements. I don't expect for an 8 gb file to transfer over in 30 seconds. Not gonna happen on a tablet. Even though they say it houses a quad core only an idiot would expect i5 or i7 or even AMD Phenom performance from a tablet so thin and light. Even so Android is just getting it together with JB concerning getting the OS to match the hardware. I have had a few tablets and by far the TF700 is the best one of them all. I have had apps force close and other bugs but that is to be expected when the hardware is more advanced than the OS. ICS is just not optimized for a tablet with specs like this. Will JB solve all the issues with this tablet? Probably not but I don't expect to have a bug free electronic device to begin with.....its just comes with the territory especially from something so thin and light with so much under the hood. Lets come back to reality and just enjoy the tablet for what it is...a tablet and not the cure all of all electronic devices. I know some will say the tablet costs 499 or even 599 and I believe its worth every penny I spent.....I just don't expect it to perform like a laptop or desktop I expect it to perform like a portable device and we all know portable devices are buggy because they are portable. Those that have this tablet could afford it otherwise we would have gotten a lappy but we didn't we got a tabby. IJS
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I think my and a lot of people's argument to this would be why is it that phones which come in much smaller packages have better I/O rates and performance. Why can a 7" tablet. Zeus didn't fix the problem it masked it. I'm not saying the I/O issues are a deal breaker for me but using a part that probably costs $.50 more and could drastically improve the tab makes people wonder why they didn't just get better flash memory. Sure it's a great tab, but I don't think people have unrealistic expectations. When the I/O scores (and performance of file transfers etc) is well below even phones released a year ago it means the engineers overlooked something big.And this is why everyone is complaining.
I currently own the transformer prime and am considering getting the infinity but am curious if the improvements are sufficient to make the upgrade worth it.
Are you happy with your prime?
If yes it's not a massive upgrade.
I have an infinity and prime and this is what I noticed.
Prime is pretty quick on JB and whilst my Wifi was good it was never great.
Infinity screen is better as is Wifi but a lot of games are either incompatible or run slower due to higher res.
Am I happy I upgraded? Now I have clean rom, yes. But if I was stuck on stock No I wouldn't have been.
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I'd hold on to your Prime if your satisfied with it. Wait for something significantly better before you upgrade. The Infinity is not that much different/better than the Prime.
Thanks I had the impression that the reviews might have over hyped the improvements, and I had no idea that the hi res screen had actually broken compatibility for loads of apps (typical reviews always mention the glossy stuff but never the important info). I have already been blown away by the quality of the prime's display, so as if the app breakage is not enough of a knock on the better screen. The fact I am already pleased with the prime's display made me wander if I would really notice any difference, and the final sticking point is that I currently run official cyanagenmod nightlies on the prime and currently there is no "official" cyanagenmod for the infinity.
So I think considering all that and the fact we will probably have the infinity's replacement announced (not released) in less than 90 days I think I'll stay put and wait for the follow up to the infinity.
I am in the process of selling my ipad 3, Looking to buy either the prime or infinity.
As i don't currently own any what would you recommend i buy?
i would really appriciate any suggestions!
Thx
I think it depends on what your priorities are. If you can go to a brick and mortar store (such as Best Buy) to see an Infinity on display, you can get an idea if the improved display is important to you. I have noticed a definite increase in sharpness and clarity in text on the Infinity -- the graphics, not so much. While I never really had problems with Wifi on the Prime, the Infinity gives more bars and a better throughput. My GPS never worked on the Prime, but it does with the Infinity.
But as has been mentioned before, the overall performance of the Infinity is inferior to the Prime. There are more lags and stutters on the Infinity. Several games on the Google Play Store are marked as incompatible on the Infinity. The games I played on the Prime don't really look better on the Infinity -- they look about the same to me. The display on the Infinity helps mainly with text.
As for me, I use my tablet a lot for reading and researching, so the display is important to me. I don't play many games, and when I do, they are casual games that don't tax the hardware a whole lot. For what I do with a tablet, the Infinity is better.
Each tablet has its strengths and weaknesses, so what works best for you will depend on what you will be using it for.
I am coming from an Ipad 3 which runs & sounds great with an amazing display but faces Apple lockdown unless jailbroken & pretty boring!
I mainly use it to browse the web, check emails & watch sky sports with the occasional game. I don't understand how something with a slightly more powerful cpu can be slower without it being corrected in future updates to the software?
I have never owned an Asus pad so i'm not familiar with their customer support procedure. How quick are they usually at getting fixes out for their poor software?
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I am coming from an Ipad 3 which runs & sounds great with an amazing display but faces Apple lockdown unless jailbroken & pretty boring!
I mainly use it to browse the web, check emails & watch sky sports with the occasional game. I don't understand how something with a slightly more powerful cpu can be slower without it being corrected in future updates to the software?
I have never owned an Asus pad so i'm not familiar with their customer support procedure. How quick are they usually at getting fixes out for their poor software?
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If you can tolerate lower resolution i.e. non Full HD like retina display on iPad 3, you should also look into Galaxy Note 10.1, which is great tablet for non Full HD. As for Infinity having better CPU but not performing like iPad 3 (assuming that what you meant), it is mainly due to GPU difference. Apple put their money into GPU; whereas, Android devices on CPU. So perhaps that may explain the rendering issue on Infinity. Though I personally am satisfied with Infinity.
If you already own iPad 3, and using for what you mentioned, if it was me I would probably just hold off and wait until more ground breaking device so come into market such as Windows 8 Surface Pro, rumored Nexus 10 etc. and see how they perform.
On the other hand, if you just cannot wait and feel the urge to come to Android, personally two choices are Galaxy Note 10.1 and Transformer Infinity at this point. Games I play works fine on Infinity, and many are actually more compatible with Infinity than the Note 10.1, but I mainly play Japanese games.
As for CPU/GPU demanding game, I play Horn which is one of the most graphically advanced game on Android market right now, I basically see rare frame rate drop as in PS3 games but by no means unplayable or significant enough to take off point of the actual game play for me.
Even though the Infinity has a slightly faster CPU than the Prime, it also has to process more than twice as many pixels to the display. This is probably why its overall performance isn't quite as smooth as the Prime.
I've got both - the screen on the infinity is so, so much better. Side by side the TF700 just blows the TF201 away (the 201 looks yellow and granular). The TF700 is smoother in operation and slightly quicker for most things including browsing (the benchmarks suggest it's even more impressive than it is in practice).
If you do move Android I don't think SkyGo works on very many devices on that platform yet, including either the Prime or the Infinity - so that might be another consideration for your sports viewing.
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This is why I'm glad the Infinity is my first ever tablet. Might be a bummer for those who don't have the time or patience to do the necessary tweaking/intensive reading about the stuff you need to do to get it buttery smooth. Like they said, (and every other review as well) it isn't a huge upgrade but I personally think it's a good buy if it's your first device. Might just be me, but the end result of all the tweaking (rooting, unlocking, flashing) made it very fulfilling to own an Infinity.
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If you bought your prime at Best Buy you can do a 1:1 exchange for it through manufacture warranty.
Hi guys
Been thinking about buying a tablet for a long time. I have had extensive experience with the motorolla XOOM and a lenovo *forget the name*
Both were just not right.. They could not achieve what I wanted to achieve and the xoom was close but with no USB port to attach camera etc it just isnt right for my use.
I have been using android for a very long time and have thrown many custom roms on my phones etc
I plan to develop some apps, but most importantly I see the device being capable for travelling. Backing up my photos from my camera, taking movies with me for the plane etc.
A must is also the capability to browse Samba shares. I know android file manager apps have improved significantly to improve this.
As such, would you buy the device again? Has it got good developer community support as I am expecting that actual vendor support warranty is a joke like all devices.
Does the stock rom have a lot of crap on it? I currently run CM9 on my phone so i am guesing the answer will be yes. Could this potentially replace the notebook at home with the keyboard dock?
Thanks
if you would have asked me a month ago, i would have said no. But after unlocking, rooting, installing Cleanrom and overclocking, this device is a beast. I had an issue recently that made me want to get rid of it, but i came to find out it was app related. Its a great device. A lot of people have had issues with it, and a lot have it working fantastic. With whats available now, even including the new Google 10, i would recommend this device over everything available.
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if you would have asked me a month ago, i would have said no. But after unlocking, rooting, installing Cleanrom and overclocking, this device is a beast. I had an issue recently that made me want to get rid of it, but i came to find out it was app related. Its a great device. A lot of people have had issues with it, and a lot have it working fantastic. With whats available now, even including the new Google 10, i would recommend this device over everything available.
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Right on!
Took 86 words right from my mouth...
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timrock said:
if you would have asked me a month ago, i would have said no. But after unlocking, rooting, installing Cleanrom and overclocking, this device is a beast. I had an issue recently that made me want to get rid of it, but i came to find out it was app related. Its a great device. A lot of people have had issues with it, and a lot have it working fantastic. With whats available now, even including the new Google 10, i would recommend this device over everything available.
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Ditto. I've used it for movies on planes, output to a TV to watch a movie at a friend's house, and instant video review from a GoPro with the SD slot on the keyboard. Have used it to get files into flash drives via the USB as well. The keyboard also makes it perfect for RDP to my server, wherever I might be. I came from a Prime with serious antenna interference that prevented use through one wall at home, and that has not been an issue on my Infinity (though I still get a slight reduction in Wifi throughput while connected to Bluetooth). My biggest gripe until I unlocked was the interface speed, and Cleanrom made it feel like a whole new device; feels like my Galaxy Nexus.
This is my portable computer now; my trusty Thinkpad hasn't been touched since I got my Infinity.
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This device is very quick with Clean rom 2.3 and overclocked kernal. Before unlocking I was a little skeptical however once I unlocked the device has been great! If I was you I would go to best buy and buy it, test it out, then if you dont like it then return it before the 30 day warranty. Just keep it locked if you go that route. It doesnt use its full potential that way but atleast you will get a taste of this goodness. Stock Jelly Bean honestly wasnt that bad either just not as quick as Clean rom.
I also think it can replace a netbook maybe not a notebook like higher end notebook or anything. If you do a lot of game playing on a higher end notebook then its not the same however if you just browse the net then this is perfect for you and some.
Hi,
first of all: Sorry for my bad english. I come from germany.
I use this device for university, and i think i wouldn't buy it now, after using it for approx. 3 months. The stock browser is very slow. Even my Galaxy S2 with stock rom was better. Sometimes i don't believe that there's a quad core inside. It feels to slow. Pherhaps i also have to test a custom rom, but i don't want to loose guarantee.
The Infinity combinated with dock is really great to notice something very quickly. First I tried with an iPad in university and this was horrible. I sold it after 3 weeks. The Infinity is defintly better, but not what i expected to become. I hope that further Software Updates will fix this.
I don't want to be only negative: The micro HDMI is great. I used it several times. Also the possibility to plug in an usb - stick, or a micro sd card is very useful. The quality of the display is also very fine. Apps like dolphin browser, tune in radio ... are working very well. The killer feature against Apples iPad is the flash plattform.
If i have to say it in one sentence: It's to slow and has to much bugs for it's high price (in Germany it's 700€ ~ 905$)
No I wouldn't. Even with CleanROM and other tweaks, all sdcard related operations are too slow. App opening and closing animations are not smooth. Project Butter doesn't work, even on official CM10. Battery life is not good. I get max 5 hours of movie watching time. My old Xoom would give me 8-9 hours. In short, I'm not happy with the Infinity and I wish I'd have gone for Galaxy Note 10.1.
I would 100% absolutely buy the TF700 again. It's a great device, especially if you install a custom ROM (CleanROM *highly* recommended) as well as Clemsyn's OC kernel. Stock is not horrible, but CleanROM/Clemsyn combination is simply amazing. Makes the device crazy fast!
Of course, it's not a perfect device (there is no such thing), but it's by far the most versatile (keyboard dock, memory card slots, HDMI-out, etc), best looking (brushed aluminum), best performing, thinnest, lightest 10" Android tablet available right now.
The worst aspect of this tablet is the (lack of) quality control @ Asus. I would not recommend purchasing the tablet via mail order because of this. I would highly recommend that you purchase at Best Buy, so that you can exchange it if needed (in case you have a hardware issue). Best Buy has an excellent return policy.
I'd also recommend that you spend the extra $87 (with coupon) and purchase a 2-year Square Trade Accidental Coverage warranty. This way, even if you accidentally step on the device and break it, you are covered. Or, if you brick it while trying to install custom ROM's or something - you are covered. It gives you complete peace of mind for 2 years (at which point, you'll probably be upgrading again anyway).
Hope that helps you make your decision!
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no.
cleanROM + kernals and all that developer goodness is awesome, but ASUS should have gotten their product right before releasing it. build quality issues, crappy I/O, yada yada. that said, the IDEA of a tablet with these specs is awesome, and the potential was great. it's just implementation fail.
curious abt the Nexus 10. the resolution on that thing is ridiculous, wondering how the pixel-pushing is going to fare with that new SoC.
No... It's a lazy and very slow so I don't like it..
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Warranty invalidation for unlocking the bootloader is the only reason I wouldn't recommend it.
Yes I would, CleanRom has transformed this tablet into a beast and I have no regrets. Those kicking themselves for not getting an N10 will always be sore because technology isn't gonna stop improving just so you can feel better about your purchase. The Infinity has become my daily driver for all things related to the internet and gaming on the couch.
Yes I would, absolutely.
Sometimes, I'm thinking about the GNote 10.1, for example when I need to draw a graph on a PDF, but at the end it's very rare that I need it, my keyboard is so usefull : the battery, the keyboard itself, and to keep the tablet in a right angle in the bed, on the desk, during conferences with small places...
I had no issue with mine. Not at all, and I have locked bootloader (for now).
The best would be TF700 1080p screen with GNote 10.1 PLS technology (stylus and pressure), and Samsung multitasking-multiwindows system when it will be smooth.
I knew that it was overpriced and already outdated when I bought it, but I was too curious how it works with the dock, and the dock really makes it much more useful than a tablet alone (I had a TF101 without dock before).
1 GB RAM and the slow internal storage are not adequate for a high end tablet. And the software is very unstable and feels half-baked compared to a Linux or Windows desktop - even the Play store app crashed in the stock ROM (out of memory exception).
Do I regret that I bought it? No, money was not an issue, it is a nice toy and the screen is great. Would I buy it again? No. Let's see what 2013 brings.
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No I wouldn't. Even with CleanROM and other tweaks, all sdcard related operations are too slow. App opening and closing animations are not smooth. Project Butter doesn't work, even on official CM10. Battery life is not good. I get max 5 hours of movie watching time. My old Xoom would give me 8-9 hours. In short, I'm not happy with the Infinity and I wish I'd have gone for Galaxy Note 10.1.
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You must have a bad one. Mine is super smooth and fast!
So my answer is YES! Knowing what I know now, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. This thing is truly a beast. I never intentionally leave any of my devices stock...custom roms and kernels give you so much more. A Square Deal warranty is pretty cheap and gives great protection, so who cares about voiding the ASUS warranty?
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As such, would you buy the device again? Has it got good developer community support as I am expecting that actual vendor support warranty is a joke like all devices.
Does the stock rom have a lot of crap on it? I currently run CM9 on my phone so i am guesing the answer will be yes. Could this potentially replace the notebook at home with the keyboard dock?
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Yes, for sure I would.
It has Dev support and just started getting CM10 nightlies. Check out the Dev forum for more.
I think the stock ROM has some pretty useful tools. Splashtop, Asus cloud storage and even a tool for DNLA although MediaHouse is still the best for DNLA. I don't use the magazine, newspaper and book apps that came with it, but I guess they're useful for someone using them. The only real inclusion in the stock ROM that troubles some people is the stuff relating to the Asus Device Tracker, but you can search and read for more about that. I'm not worried about that given I have a SquareTrade warranty. So I'd get coverage regardless.
Yes, it can replace a notebook when you consider Splashtop. And if all you do is view media, read mail, edit a few files, browse the web and play games, yea it's all you need. If you need desktop specific applications, you can use them through Splashtop, WiFi connected desktop/laptop required .
No. You shouldn't have to root your device and install a custom OS to get decent performance out of a tablet. I am ok with it now that I have done these things, but the stock performance is unacceptable. I would definitely go with a different tablet if I had the choice.
If the stock performance had been good and custom OS's made the performance EVEN BETTER that would be ok in my book.
Hi all,
I didn't want to make yet another thread about should i buy blah blah blah.
please don't reply if you have had a sour experience with your unit as i think the reply will not be a genuine one.
I have looked at this tablet in local stores and tried some basic games and they run fine to me.
However i currently have a acer a510 1280x 800 res 1.3 tegra chip.
I have found all games from asphalt 7/6 nova 3 (even though not compatable) to run fine and smooth on my lower performance tegra tab.
My use will be gaming movies and also want the more laptop experience to respond to online questions while on the go.
Reading through the forum i see people complaining about slow fps and slow internal storage.
however the specs of the aussie version of this tab specifies ssd memory?
So my question is how do you perceive slow and this on all tabs or just some peoples. I.e. some one complaining about it being slow would get the same speed benchmark as some one who perceives it as being fine?
Also do you think it is more a optimization issue for games fps or the fact the res is just that much more? I know alot of games still have issues with tegra games and really for such a powerful company and chipset it really should get more attention than it is.
is the 1gb of ram a bottle neck?
I ask this because i have 1gb of ram on the a510 and have not had any specific issues running low on memory however i can see how a higher res "may require more ram" to run smooth.
I agree with many posts that this tablet really should be 1.5gb or 2gb of ram.
I was even surprised to see the upcoming lte model still only has 1gb of ram.
So i'm kind of stuck on if i should buy it or wait for the next gen hopefully mid next year.
Only the sometimes sluggish IO was a surprise, and not that big a deal to me. Otherwise, I knew the weaknesses when I bought it.
If 'the newest thing' is what you want, then yeah, you'll always be unhappy with what you've got. But if what you want is a little more specific and based on practicality, you can get a lot of life out of a good device, and the Infinity is a good device. I've had my TP2 for 3 years next month. I have no plans to upgrade that, and no device currently exists that I'd even consider to be an upgrade. I know what I want.
malos1984 said:
Hi all,
I didn't want to make yet another thread about should i buy blah blah blah.
please don't reply if you have had a sour experience with your unit as i think the reply will not be a genuine one.
I have looked at this tablet in local stores and tried some basic games and they run fine to me.
However i currently have a acer a510 1280x 800 res 1.3 tegra chip.
I have found all games from asphalt 7/6 nova 3 (even though not compatable) to run fine and smooth on my lower performance tegra tab.
My use will be gaming movies and also want the more laptop experience to respond to online questions while on the go.
Reading through the forum i see people complaining about slow fps and slow internal storage.
however the specs of the aussie version of this tab specifies ssd memory?
So my question is how do you perceive slow and this on all tabs or just some peoples. I.e. some one complaining about it being slow would get the same speed benchmark as some one who perceives it as being fine?
Also do you think it is more a optimization issue for games fps or the fact the res is just that much more? I know alot of games still have issues with tegra games and really for such a powerful company and chipset it really should get more attention than it is.
is the 1gb of ram a bottle neck?
I ask this because i have 1gb of ram on the a510 and have not had any specific issues running low on memory however i can see how a higher res "may require more ram" to run smooth.
I agree with many posts that this tablet really should be 1.5gb or 2gb of ram.
I was even surprised to see the upcoming lte model still only has 1gb of ram.
So i'm kind of stuck on if i should buy it or wait for the next gen hopefully mid next year.
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IMO I don't think this tablet would be the best for gaming until...when or if the Android game app market catches up to the hardware.
My wife plays the low end common games on this tab no troubles there.
I used to play Max Payne and Need for speed, those haven't been running too well lately for me.
The Tegra3 games are problematic for some and there isn't a large selection at this time.
Viewing movies in HD is fine for me...can't speak for others however.
Bottom line:
As the tablet stands now, I wouldn't invest the money to game on the Infinity if your Acer plays the intense games to your liking.
Best of luck with the tablet search.
jim
I think most people on this forum have come to love the Infinity for it's display and versatility, only to be disgruntled by lag and unresponsiveness of the UI, and freezing of applications.
Where the first impression was that the cause of this was an underpowered Tegra 3 (for the HD resolution) or RAM that was not speedy enough the cause now seems to narrow down on slow storage memory.
This becomes apparent with the data2sd modification for those that have dared to unlock the Infinity's bootloader thus voiding warranty and in the possession of a fast (class 10) microsd card to put the data partition on.
The above mentioned problems disappear and the Tegra 3 plus the RAM seem more than adequate for the task. So a relatively cheap component in the tablet (I bought a 64 GB class 10 / UHS-1 card for 55 euro's) is causing a significant deterioration in user experience.
To illustrate: When performing a I/O intensive operation such as downloading a torrent with a program such as aTorrent the tablet more or less freezes in normal operation. With data2sd you can happily continue to use it with only a minor impact on responsiveness.
Also heavy applications such as Linux under Android suddenly become much more usable.
So, this makes me wonder, is ASUS aware of this issue, and do people notice changes or less problems on the most recent versions of the tablet (referring to the serial numbers)? I think it's kind of sad that such a landmark device as the Infinity suffers from such a problem only related to a relatively cheap component in the tablet.
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I think most people on this forum have come to love the Infinity for it's display and versatility, only to be disgruntled by lag and unresponsiveness of the UI, and freezing of applications.
Where the first impression was that the cause of this was an underpowered Tegra 3 (for the HD resolution) or RAM that was not speedy enough the cause now seems to narrow down on slow storage memory.
This becomes apparent with the data2sd modification for those that have dared to unlock the Infinity's bootloader thus voiding warranty and in the possession of a fast (class 10) microsd card to put the data partition on.
The above mentioned problems disappear and the Tegra 3 plus the RAM seem more than adequate for the task. So a relatively cheap component in the tablet (I bought a 64 GB class 10 / UHS-1 card for 55 euro's) is causing a significant deterioration in user experience.
To illustrate: When performing a I/O intensive operation such as downloading a torrent with a program such as aTorrent the tablet more or less freezes in normal operation. With data2sd you can happily continue to use it with only a minor impact on responsiveness.
Also heavy applications such as Linux under Android suddenly become much more usable.
So, this makes me wonder, is ASUS aware of this issue, and do people notice changes or less problems on the most recent versions of the tablet (referring to the serial numbers)? I think it's kind of sad that such a landmark device as the Infinity suffers from such a problem only related to a relatively cheap component in the tablet.
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I don't have a lagging, unresponsive Infinity. I'm still stock but rooted and have no complaints about this tablet. Also, I'd guess that ASUS' opinion would be that there is no I/O problem only users pushing the tablet beyond its reasonable limits.
BTrack said:
I don't have a lagging, unresponsive Infinity. I'm still stock but rooted and have no complaints about this tablet. Also, I'd guess that ASUS' opinion would be that there is no I/O problem only users pushing the tablet beyond its reasonable limits.
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Ok, interesting because you state in your signature that you have a C90 revision. I run a C70 version myself.
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So, this makes me wonder, is ASUS aware of this issue.
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They moved to a different solution in the N7.
"Some manufacturers seem to do a better job of picking their storage solution, and the Kingston eMMC in the Nexus 7 is faster than the Hynix e-NAND ASUS has used in previous tablets. Neither is perfect however. There's a tangible impact on simple multitasking if you're downloading a lot of files or installing apps in the background. Even operations in memory are quite negatively affected by background IO. Take a look at how SunSpider performance is hurt by a background file download."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
I once complained to ASUS about this issue and compared it to the experience on my Galaxy SII.
There response was:
Thank you for your email.
We will forward your feedback to our R&D, but we cannot garantee that we can fix speed 1 on 1. Both products are build up in a different way.
We will continuesly update the android system to keep performance on a good level.
We hope to have informed you enough.
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I once complained to ASUS about this issue and compared it to the experience on my Galaxy SII.
There response was:
Thank you for your email.
We will forward your feedback to our R&D, but we cannot garantee that we can fix speed 1 on 1. Both products are build up in a different way.
We will continuesly update the android system to keep performance on a good level.
We hope to have informed you enough.
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Yes, I also own a SGS2. It (albeit OC'd) felt so smooth compared to the stock Infinity. And I also ran Androbench on it. Although I don't have the results remembered I do know they were approximately 2-3 times higher than my Infinity. This is what makes the difference and make Samsung's SGS2 feel so smooth.
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Yes, I also own a SGS2. It (albeit OC'd) felt so smooth compared to the stock Infinity. And I also ran Androbench on it. Although I don't have the results remembered I do know they were approximately 2-3 times higher than my Infinity. This is what makes the difference and make Samsung's SGS2 feel so smooth.
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I do not believe in benchmarks, as often enough they do not even approximate user experience. A clear case for my argument is that, for example on CleanROM, the benchmark scores actually did not exactly skyrocket (they hardly improved to any degree of significance across the board), but the user experience is miles ahead of that of a stock ASUS TF700. I have seen the same happen on my SGS2, where in the past benchmark scores were artificially improved by disabling fsync without notification (That is risky and irresponsible decision making on part of a developer, but that's another matter. ) -- creating a situation in which a fair comparison can hardly be made.
Especially on multicore devices, the benchmark suites tend to falter...
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Especially on multicore devices, the benchmark suites tend to falter...
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Tweaking SQLite and moving the data partition to a class 10 SD card kind of disprove your point because by bypassing or circumventing the NAND issue what's reflected in the IO benchmark scores between stock and tweaked pretty much reflect what people experience. And something like AndroBench is as basic a test as exists and its only function is measuring reads and writes to storage. Using it, my Teg3 device performs better than my Exynos device and the IO scores it reports jive with the IO differences reported by Quadrant. In non-IO tests I agree with you that some benchmarks don't leverage additional cores well but simple single-threaded IO tests shouldn't be impacted by the processor as the reads/writes are the lowest common denominator even on the fastest device. Compared to PCs, all Android devices have slow IO because of the NAND and eMMC storage solutions they use. The biggest difference between Android devices are those that have dedicated IO controllers. Exynos 4/5 and the S4 series all include a dedicated IO controller on the chip. HTC provides a dedicated IO controller on their Teg3 devices. That’s why the LTE TF700 below scores so high on the Quadrant memory and IO tests using Asus' NAND solution compared to the Wi-Fi TF700. So at least for IO what the benchmarks are reflecting represent actual performance.
To illustrate: When performing a I/O intensive operation such as downloading a torrent with a program such as aTorrent the tablet more or less freezes in normal operation. With data2sd you can happily continue to use it with only a minor impact on responsiveness.
-What exactly are you downloading from torrents on a tablet? You will get better performance doing that activity on a computer hooked up to ethernet. Granted these things are getting stronger, I don't think we should expect these devices to replace regular computers. They are more convenient for sure but they won't have the same processing power, expandability, or overall same user experience.
What are you expecting from your tablet? What is your purpose for buying it other than the cool factor of having a tablet? What you may want may not realistically be possible on any tablet currently. Go with Apple if you want something smoother. For what this device is intended for works. If the hang ups of the device are that annoying to you then sell it and get something else. You will only frustrate yourself by keeping it and festering over I/O.
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What you may want may not realistically be possible on any tablet currently.
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It's already been discussed (a lot) and part of what caused everyone here to come up with non-standard IO solutions. Either data2SD or browser2RAM allow the TF700 to function like other tablets because they bypass the stock NAND solution Asus uses. Android itself is capable of running multiple processes concurently.
TF700
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Oh I understand that Android is capable of doing much more and use browser2ram myself. Just not phrasing my question or thought right. I'm wondering what people are wanting to do with the tablet beyond it being a portable internet and multimedia device. Are they purposely doing so much with the tablet at once that it will lag? I'm constantly downloading 2-3 mp4 video files (range between 70-350mb each) while on a busy work wifi signal and browsed the web at the same time. Sure it runs a bit slower but it operates and I know it will be back to normal when the downloads finish. If I'm needing to download large files I'm going log into my pc with splashtop, set it download, and transfer it when I get home. It doesn't make sense to weigh down the tablet with large file downloads that can take hours to do. Especially when people know it can slow their tablet down and leave them feeling bummed with the device.
I don't mean to point the poster out and I apologize for that. On reading the post again I see they are using torrent download as example and asking about Asus response to I/O. I think it would be hard to think of Asus not knowing of the I/O problems and how disgruntled people are over it. There are many reviewers who have found the issue and probably countless owners who have brought it to their attention.
For people not willing to venture into modding their device then they may need to accept it will have this issue as is or find a different device. Cut your losses so you are not looking for lag and other problems instead of having fun with the device. Perhaps an Ultrabook will be better equipped to handle what they want. I enjoy the tablet so much more once I came to accept my unit has some light bleed. I festered over returning it for about 2 weeks. Then I stopped and thought of the vast improvement over my Prime this is. I could have ended up with a device having worse screen bleed or other issues. But key thing is I enjoy the tablet so much more once I got that hardware flaw out of my head. I don't actively look for the bleeding anymore.
@fsured,
Yes I used d/l-ing a torrent as an I/O heavy example. Or running Linux on Android because indeed because when doing those kind of things that most people don't do every day the issue really becomes really apparent... sort of like stress testing.
And... again my telephone is able to do that stuff instead of locking up like my stock C70 Infinity did... to put it into real world terms (I've read the comment about the limited use of benchmarks earlier in this thread).
And to answer your question/remark about how you (should) use your tablet? I leave my work laptop at work since I have it use it about 95% of the time with the keyboard dock and often with an external mouse. I do minor productivity stuff on it (some keeping track of expenses with the Officesuite HD spreadsheet app), a lot of internet browsing (first with browser2ram and now the freezes are also gone) with flash sideloaded. A lot of studying using repligo pdf reader, a lot of chatting with the Lilypad floating chat app while i'm web surfing or so, d/l-ing stuff, doing basic photo editing using photo mate professional and doing banking stuff with an app from my bank. Also I always use desktop sites (changed uastring).
So no, maybe I'm not a typical user, just like you and explore the boundaries of what people do with tablets like this. Yet that makes me see that the tablet with a dock is a very promissing form factor... and I'm not complaining about the Tegra 3's processing power especially no that the internal storage bottleneck has been circumvented.
My serial number is C60KAS082... does this mean I have C60 revision?
I bought this tab to replace my original galaxy 10.1. In some respects it's a great tablet and in others it completely sucks!!! I use my tabby for surfing, you tube, email, and internet fun. I read the Engadget review of the nexus 10 where they said that the tf700 tab was probably a better device. Based on that review I bought the tf700. I wish I would never had read that review! I had no idea that this tab had problems until I started using it. I have never seen a wait message in a browser, never. This tab does it all the time! If you're reading this, DON'T BUY A TF700!!!!!!!!!! I got mine at a good price from craigslist so I'm stuck with it. I like rooting, modding and the like, but not to recover basic functionality. Asus you suck!
Ologn said:
My serial number is C60KAS082... does this mean I have C60 revision?
I bought this tab to replace my original galaxy 10.1. In some respects it's a great tablet and in others it completely sucks!!! I use my tabby for surfing, you tube, email, and internet fun. I read the Engadget review of the nexus 10 where they said that the tf700 tab was probably a better device. Based on that review I bought the tf700. I wish I would never had read that review! I had no idea that this tab had problems until I started using it. I have never seen a wait message in a browser, never. This tab does it all the time! If you're reading this, DON'T BUY A TF700!!!!!!!!!! I got mine at a good price from craigslist so I'm stuck with it. I like rooting, modding and the like, but not to recover basic functionality. Asus you suck!
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This attitude is one I can never understand. Why punish yourself with lesser performance, just because the performance should have been better out of the box? You bought the tab used at a good price, so get with the program! Unlock (if not already) and start modding. You have some very good choices and I promise that you will be very happy with your results.
@Olagn... what okantomi says
The I/O is a major oversight... but the Infinity is otherwise great and can be made so with data2sd
And I created this topic wondering if Asus has an opinion (do they read posts here) and if newer revisions have faster storage memory to fix this
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@Olagn... what okantomi says
The I/O is a major oversight... but the Infinity is otherwise great and can be made so with data2sd
And I created this topic wondering if Asus has an opinion (do they read posts here) and if newer revisions have faster storage memory to fix this
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Newer versions do not fix this issue, infact Asus's Windows RT tablet also uses slow internal memory.
yumms said:
Newer versions do not fix this issue, infact Asus's Windows RT tablet also uses slow internal memory.
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So you have the equivalent of freezes and FC's under Win RT...
ASUS is testing brand loyalty the hard way it seems.
I was able to use uTorrent to download pRon on my Infinity and still use other applications with lag on stock Android 4.1, no modifications.
I think ASUS should give us a official solution for his TF700 I/O Bottleneck, becouse this tablet really freezes a lot in stock-unlocked. Maybe an official unlock that doesn't void warranty. Or an official data to SD software.
So yes, I love the fact that we can unlock, root, flash etc with tf700 but, what about the warranty? I don't want to lose it before 2 years (my warranty), ASUS don't allow me to find a solution by myself becouse it means lose of warranty, and also the device doesnt work as expected. And I don't have a "hardware warranty", if I unlock I lose it.
My day by day with a TF700 is surfing web and play local file mp3 music with Google Music app in background... just loading a page like this forum can mean browse freeze. I tried Chorme, Dolphin, StockBrowser.. sometimes it freezes 10-20 seconds every page load an also it makes the music freeze too... I have the impression of a "not tested device" I bought it NEW for 590€ aprox. a month ago.
So thanks god, someone creates an illegal (for ASUS) software solution so we can wait 2 years of warranty end and then apply it.
Thanks ASUS.
I just can't understand how ASUS, with all their millions of $$$ R&D budget, ended up producing a tablet that, quite frankly, has some serious flaws out of the box...
...but then you get developers such as Scrosler, with CleanRom, & Clemsyn, with his kernal mods, who have totally transformed the Infinity into the device we all hoped it could be.
It baffles me - what sort of effort do ASUS actually put into their devices with their crappy build quality, and unoptimised software!?
I just purchased this from Woot for $299 bundled with the dock.
I still haven't received it, I probably will next week, I just had some questions.
(I did own the TF300 dock bundle and liked it but had to sell it)
Do you think that's a good deal?
Do you still enjoy your TF700?
If you have CM10 on it, how does it work?
If you have any other ROM, what do you like about it?
Anything you feel I should know (or get)?
Case recommendations would be nice.
Thanks in advance!
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I just purchased this from Woot for $299 bundled with the dock.
I still haven't received it, I probably will next week, I just had some questions.
(I did own the TF300 dock bundle and liked it but had to sell it)
Do you think that's a good deal?
Do you still enjoy your TF700?
If you have CM10 on it, how does it work?
If you have any other ROM, what do you like about it?
Anything you feel I should know (or get)?
Case recommendations would be nice.
Thanks in advance!
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$300 with the dock is a fair deal for a new tablet with these spec's.
No I do not like my T700 anymore, the ram is not powerful enough to run at the tablets native resolution causing the machine to run slow and hang all the time.
CM10 works fine, it's the only way to stomach using this tablet. Don't keep this tablet unless you plan to root it. Heck Don't buy it period buy the new amazon kindle and root that. . .
I use a rooCASE you can find them on Amazon they are fantastic.
The rams fine, although 1gb is restrictive, most devices only have 1gb and android really dont need more currently. Theres a well known issue with Asus using cheap nand chips resulting to low IO performance, with custom ROMs and kernels this can be counteracted and isnt much of an issue.
This was the case with the tf300t also.
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The rams fine, although 1gb is restrictive, most devices only have 1gb and android really dont need more currently. Theres a well known issue with Asus using cheap nand chips resulting to low IO performance, with custom ROMs and kernels this can be counteracted and isnt much of an issue.
This was the case with the tf300t also.
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Ya, I had a Nexus 7 and it only had 1gb of RAM and it still flew. That is on a smaller tablet with the lower resolution.
I do plan on unlocking it and using a rom.
I was mainly curious if this thing is the beast I've heard about once it's unleashed or if the bitter people in the Amazon reviews were just unsavvy with tech and use everything stock.
I won't be doing too much except web surfing, maybe a little bit of gaming and some video watching and social media using. Nothing too spectacular. I just really liked my tf300 and remember dreaming of having this baby, or even the prime, in exchange. Mainly for the dock. Dat dock.
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Ya, I had a Nexus 7 and it only had 1gb of RAM and it still flew. That is on a smaller tablet with the lower resolution.
I do plan on unlocking it and using a rom.
I was mainly curious if this thing is the beast I've heard about once it's unleashed or if the bitter people in the Amazon reviews were just unsavvy with tech and use everything stock.
I won't be doing too much except web surfing, maybe a little bit of gaming and some video watching and social media using. Nothing too spectacular. I just really liked my tf300 and remember dreaming of having this baby, or even the prime, in exchange. Mainly for the dock. Dat dock.
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Well the biggest point of this tablet is the screen, which is still one of the best on the market, ive even been reading that the tf701 has a strange yellow tint to the screen, not the case here.
At stock their are issues with the tablet, caused mostly by that IO bottleneck, With cromi and _thatv5 or hundsbuah kernels this tablet is very smooth, for a bit of a gaming comparison i was able to play dead trigger 2 with tegra 4 extended effects at about 20-30fps using hundsbuahs kernel heavily overclocked, which is very acceptable considering its pushing a 1920x1200 screen.
I also have a tf300t in the house, and a side by side comparision makes the tf300t's screen hard to look at lol, before i owned the tf700 i thought the tf300ts screen was fantastic.
There is really no performance benefit over the tf300t but the tf700 is still a better tablet. For me the main advantage is our native linux dualboot. Turns this device into a very portable notebook with an almost unrivaled battery life, and fantastic for school etc, and then use android for media/ gaming etc.
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Well the biggest point of this tablet is the screen, which is still one of the best on the market, ive even been reading that the tf701 has a strange yellow tint to the screen, not the case here.
At stock their are issues with the tablet, caused mostly by that IO bottleneck, With cromi and _thatv5 or hundsbuah kernels this tablet is very smooth, for a bit of a gaming comparison i was able to play dead trigger 2 with tegra 4 extended effects at about 20-30fps using hundsbuahs kernel heavily overclocked, which is very acceptable considering its pushing a 1920x1200 screen.
I also have a tf300t in the house, and a side by side comparision makes the tf300t's screen hard to look at lol, before i owned the tf700 i thought the tf300ts screen was fantastic.
There is really no performance benefit over the tf300t but the tf700 is still a better tablet. For me the main advantage is our native linux dualboot. Turns this device into a very portable notebook with an almost unrivaled battery life, and fantastic for school etc, and then use android for media/ gaming etc.
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Yea, that sounds like what I was kind of expect. From what I could understand.
I never really had to instal a kernel on any of my devices so I'm not familiar with what to choose and all. Any recommendations or links would be much appreciated. I would like to have it dual-boot linux, although I'm curious if it works with any rom I pick, because I'd honestly really like to be using 4.3 if it's running properly.
Should I unlock this thing right when I get it because it's a great deal and a great tablet so who cares about the warranty or should I wait a while?
I guess I'm just hoping I don't get a tablet that lags all the time. I've heard black and white on that. But I'm not doing anything crazy on it so I figure I should be golden.
Well i proberly recommend this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2230059 for cromi
if you need more performance and the cost of battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143093 this is a good choice.
I havnt tried android 4.3 on this tablet (cyanogenmod etc) as im not a fan of the 4.2+ laucher, but it should run fine, i know some ROMs lack alot of framework for the keyboard dock that the stock roms have, but thats up to you
The dualboot has up til now only supported stock/cromi roms, but with the new method should work fine.
My recommendation on unlocking would be to use the tablet as stock for 2-5 days to make sure there are no hardware defects, after that you should be good to unlock. In that 2-5 days i recommend reading through the forum to understand the methods used to flash roms, unlock, root etc
One example of this is backing up your mmcblk0p6 partition and restoring it after unlocking with i believes restores the drm keys that are removed during unlocking process, i think these keys are needed for full hd playback in some drm apps.