Okay last couple of questions, than I need a break :fingers-crossed:
1-Once I "Flash" a ROM, do I need to keep the .ZIP file on my phone assuming I have backed up my current ROM. They don't take up a ton of room but I don't like keeping a ton of stuff on my phone. It is nice to have it case I don't have the backup.
2-There are hundreds of different ROMS out there.....
I currently have ViperXL which seems awesome....
Some ROMS seem really stripped down.....
IS that what it comes down to in ROMS....Asthetics? The look and feel?
3-Now that I have a rooted phone....that I can update constantly (Jellybean etc) how far will this current model go (2 more major updates....Keylime etc)
Thanks for all of the help along the way!!!
Once you flash you can delete the zip
Everyone has their personal opinions about Rom you could love viper but someone could not like it and prefer hatka/clean Rom or cm
If we don't get the key lime pie kernel for the one xl it'd be heard porting HTC roms over due to lack of kernel but aosp will probably do well... We can portsense 5 here
a box of kittens said:
Once you flash you can delete the zip
If we don't get the key lime pie kernel for the one xl it'd be heard porting HTC roms over due to lack of kernel but aosp will probably do well... We can portsense 5 here
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Hmmm.Newbie here!!!
Does that mean there will be an easy fix for Key Lime Pie? A ROM will most likely be developed?
I hear a lot of talk about Kernels but that seems too much for me to grasp....:laugh:
I was under the impression that once I rooted my phone, I could always flash a ROM to keep it current with the most up to date version of Android.
Is that not the case?
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Hmmm.Newbie here!!!
Does that mean there will be an easy fix for Key Lime Pie? A ROM will most likely be developed?
I hear a lot of talk about Kernels but that seems too much for me to grasp....:laugh:
I was under the impression that once I rooted my phone, I could always flash a ROM to keep it current with the most up to date version of Android.
Is that not the case?
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Without kernel source that's a bit hard to do sometimes and HTC doesn't have the best reputation
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Once you flash you can delete the zip
Everyone has their personal opinions about Rom you could love viper but someone could not like it and prefer hatka/clean Rom or cm
If we don't get the key lime pie kernel for the one xl it'd be heard porting HTC roms over due to lack of kernel but aosp will probably do well... We can portsense 5 here
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Without kernel source that's a bit hard to do sometimes and HTC doesn't have the best reputation
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So HTC will need to release the "Kernel" (Some Source Code) I assume.....
From there, People will Develop ROMS based on that.......?
Without that is this phone is dead in the water as far as updates are concerned?
Just think of this...the kernel contains all the proper WiFi libs and camera libs and a lot of other things...without the proper kernel wed have to hack things which can take a while and produce worse results...the Rom is not based off kernel it's based off the Rom... Than they build from their if it's aosp they build from source and port over if it's sense they do the base and build off that
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Just think of this...the kernel contains all the proper WiFi libs and camera libs and a lot of other things...without the proper kernel wed have to hack things which can take a while and produce worse results...the Rom is not based off kernel it's based off the Rom... Than they build from their if it's aosp they build from source and port over if it's sense they do the base and build off that
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Got it.....
but what is Aosp??
Hopefully the fine folks on this forum will work their magic for complete noobs like me....I would hate to not keep up with the times :fingers-crossed:
It was a headache for me just to get it rooted and ViperXL installed =)
We will get aosp keylime roms for sure. We have an awesome dev community. We probably won't get a keylime sense Rom because HTC most likely won't develop one for this phone. But aosp (android open source project) which is the os written by Google for their nexus devices that the oems take and make their own version (sense, touchwiz, etc) should always get updated
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We will get aosp keylime roms for sure. We have an awesome dev community. We probably won't get a keylime sense Rom because HTC most likely won't develop one for this phone. But aosp (android open source project) which is the os written by Google for their nexus devices that the oems take and make their own version (sense, touchwiz, etc) should always get updated
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That's awesome news....
I'm not a fan of HTC Sense.....
I opted out of it with the VIPERXL Rom....
Glad to hear my HTC One X will stay current for some time.....
I hate buying a new phone every other year to stay current with Software etc!!!
My HTC desire which the last official Rom was gingerbread, is running jb 4.2.2 dont worry xda makes phones future proof
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1) You can just delete it. I usually save on my computer for a while, just in case I want to move it back on the phone to re-flash, in emergencies, etc. I usually try to have either (but not both) a nandroid or the ROM zip on the phone, just in case.
2) The differences are aesthetics, features, performance. The thread for each specific ROM will usually have a good description of the features. But you may need to learn some more of the lingo, before you really understand what they are talking about. Start looking through the threads, and you will start to figure out what the differences are, which ones you may like, what others like, etc. Then just choose a few, and flash away.
3) Completely depends on how long the device keeps developer interest, and whether HTC actively supports the device and (as mentioned) releases kernel source for the device for the given Android build.
For example, if HTC decides not to release KLP for the device, and doesn't release kernel source, it makes it really difficult for devs to make custom ROMs with all the hardware components working properly (cameras, Bluetooth, etc.). But its not impossible, and if some devs are still inspired, they may try to make things work as much as they have time for.
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Is it possible to build a ROM off of an OS that doesn't officially exist?
Meaning, would I be able to build an Android 2.4 ROM, based off various SDKs?
And if so, how would I do this?
Thanks to all!
But Android 2.4 does exist, here's the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrAjgYDx7yU
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But Android 2.4 does exist, here's the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrAjgYDx7yU
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1- Isn't that a developer version of 2.3? Unreleased?
2- I wanted to build it off of 2.3, 3.0, and 4.0, if that would even be possible, and then have it look unlike anything Android has released yet.
And 3- Thank you for that video. I didn't think it existed
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1- Isn't that a developer version of 2.3? Unreleased?
2- I wanted to build it off of 2.3, 3.0, and 4.0, if that would even be possible, and then have it look unlike anything Android has released yet.
And 3- Thank you for that video. I didn't think it existed
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2.x.whatever is just a software version. So if you are using the baseline code of 2.3, it is still a 2.3 gingerbread based ROM. And if it is a custom ROM, you can call it what ever you want. myrom 6.9..doesn't matter. The only way it is officially 2.4 is if you use the 2.4 source code as the baseline for your ROM. Implementing features from different software versions doesn't make it an official new version of android. When Cyanogen 7 came out based off of gingerbread, it had way more features than 2.3.3. But since it was based off of 2.3.3, the software version was still 2.3.3...Kind of a jumbled post, but hope it helped shed some light.
Just build it off of ics and put whatever features you want into it. I'm not really sure what you want to do. You could build it from froyo or something and make it look like something different.
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2.x.whatever is just a software version. So if you are using the baseline code of 2.3, it is still a 2.3 gingerbread based ROM. And if it is a custom ROM, you can call it what ever you want. myrom 6.9..doesn't matter. The only way it is officially 2.4 is if you use the 2.4 source code as the baseline for your ROM. Implementing features from different software versions doesn't make it an official new version of android. When Cyanogen 7 came out based off of gingerbread, it had way more features than 2.3.3. But since it was based off of 2.3.3, the software version was still 2.3.3...Kind of a jumbled post, but hope it helped shed some light.
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But could you modify the settings .apk to make it say 2.4? If not, then can you mix and match apps from different version system dumps, or would you need to modify them?
I'm totally new to this, so I don't know how to do any of this
Thanks!
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But could you modify the settings .apk to make it say 2.4? If not, then can you mix and match apps from different version system dumps, or would you need to modify them?
I'm totally new to this, so I don't know how to do any of this
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But just modifying the ROM to say a different version doesn't mean anything. You can make your gingerbread based ROM say software version 1.5...but that doesn't make it a cupcake ROM...
No offense but you seem like you shouldn't be making roms anyway. Its very difficult.
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What news to day ?
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But just modifying the ROM to say a different version doesn't mean anything. You can make your gingerbread based ROM say software version 1.5...but that doesn't make it a cupcake ROM...
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Well, I just want it to say 2.4
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No offense but you seem like you shouldn't be making roms anyway. Its very difficult.
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None taken, I just want to figure out how so I can make my own rom, due to the fact that all the roms available for the DInc are either really bad, or boring (except MIUI)
I agree, and I guess if your up to it there are some tutorials on the forums or Google it. It would be cool to see something new like that.
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How are the roms for the droid incredible "boring"? Have you looked at what newtoroot, jermaine, mcd, incubus, ihftp, and joelz have been doing for the phone in terms of development? Look in the dev thread, tell me inc2 mctwist is "boring." And then tell me that "android 2.4 is cool"
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
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How are the roms for the droid incredible "boring"? Have you looked at what newtoroot, jermaine, mcd, incubus, ihftp, and joelz have been doing for the phone in terms of development? Look in the dev thread, tell me inc2 mctwist is "boring." And then tell me that "android 2.4 is cool"
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I guess 'boring' was the wrong word. I've had the Incredible for a year, and I've gotten tired of Sense, I hate it now. I guess I should've specified farther- I hate Sense, and all the AOSP roms (other than MIUI) are boring.
So I found a tool on XDA that allows me to put the ROM of choice to be ported and the base ROM. I'm trying to port Paranoid Android 2.00 since we don't have it, and now that we have somewhat steady CM10 nightlies I *should* be able to use it as a base. (The tool is called RomPorter)
So I went ahead and compiled a ROM, but I'm not sure if I should flash. I mean if it was this easy to port ROM's wouldn't we have ROM's just popping up everywhere? I used the HTC One X International version's PA 2.00 as the input ROM btw. I have some coding experience in Java but if it's this easy to port without any coding required why hasn't it been done yet? Just curious. I looked at the CM9 guide to porting PA and I have to make a linux portal and all those things. Basically my main question is, will this work? I don't want to flash and end up hard bricking my phone. I went and checked the build.prop, and framework and it all seemed like a hybrid of CM10 nightly and Paranoid Android 2.00 but is there something I'm missing?
Thanks a lot guys! I'm tired of just being somebody who stands on the side and waits for things to get ported or created. I'm taking a heavy load in college but I want to try and port something at least to contribute.
Using the international base could cause a brick unless you ported an evita kernel too. The international one x has a different partition layout as well.
Read read read, check, double check and triple check. When your confident its possibly bootable, sure that it is not harmful THEN flash it to your device first. Ports are always going to start with bugs. Don't expect perfection, expect a WIP. Importantly, have fun learning. Most importantly , FIRST FLASH IS ALWAYS YOURS :beer::beer:
Added People port roms all the time for themselves. Now posting one on xda and maintaining a thread with dozens-hundreds of followers is a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY
I just want to try it but I'm afraid it'll brick. I mean what's the worst case scenario? Boot loop then restore to my nandroid? Or being stuck with a brick forever? I don't have a backup phone at the moment lol. Maybe I should invest in one.
If you flash something that overwrites hboot you're hard bricked. That's what I meant by different partition layout.
Here's a easier start for jb paranoid Android port.....dload the HTC evo 4g lte jb paranoid port rom, unzip it, delete the included boot.img, use a hox boot.img from a hox jb rom to replace it with. Zip it and flash it.(use the one XL cm10 boot.img) It will give u a bootable port of jb paranoid Android. Then like most ports, you will start fixing bugs. Camera and wifi won't work, you will need to fix those for sure. But a lot will work so start with priority bug fix#1 and keep on goin
Added: paranoid android rom I would consider the land of the brave for first time porting. U may encounter fixes to be harder than some less modified roms.
I understand now what the scare was. But when taking the Evo LTE ROM and pushing our own boot.img it'll allow me to at least get it started to see what I need to get going and fix! That's a fantastic idea. I'm going to head over there now and see what ROM's they have. I mean technically we share very similar devices internally right? I haven't looked into the Evo specs much.
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I understand now what the scare was. But when taking the Evo LTE ROM and pushing our own boot.img it'll allow me to at least get it started to see what I need to get going and fix! That's a fantastic idea. I'm going to head over there now and see what ROM's they have. I mean technically we share very similar devices internally right? I haven't looked into the Evo specs much.
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make sure you pull out any radio images you find in the roms you look at.
Could I push the ones from a cm10 nightly?
No idea. Probably. Or just don't include one.
getting in contact with the developer for the Evo PA ROM. Hopefully this goes somewhere.
Don't we already have a pa rom? You've inspired me though. I'm going to look at porting roms too.
The PA ROM is still ICS, and the biggest killer is that the multi-touch fix is not incorporated because the ROM was cooked pre kernel release unfortunately. The latest update the dev was supposed to release didn't boot and I don't know what happened after that.
And do it! The more devs the better. I want some variety in this little community.
By the way, PARANOIDANDROID 2.00 is not out yet. The last OFFICIAL release is 1.992: Changelog. As for the port, I would love to port roms to our device, since it is my primary device.
I already port ROMs from the i9100 to i777(SGSII Internation to AT&T US Version), but this is a VERY simple operation. And you can use a pre-made program to port by ktoonsez called Flashaholics, but it is only for porting to the i777. I hope we eventually get that far but these 2 devices are far more similar that the One X/OneXL or Evo LTE/One XL.
Just use the latest paranoid rom with the latest cm10 boot.img. I did it a few times when I had my hox. And gunny is right. Either pull the radio or flash a hox radio after u flash ur port and u will get signal with working talk, text. 3g should work too, mms won't, streaming video will be iffy. Just run thru the major stuff, write down what's broken, prioritize it, then always make a nandroid of your previous build so u can revert back if fixes make things worse
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He's gonna work off a unofficial paranoidandroid jb 4.1 from the evo lte. It'll boot but there will be plenty of fixing to do. I think its for his use/learning, not sure if he plans on putting it up on forums
I don't plan on uploading it to the forums unless I get the features working. I'm off all day tomorrow so I'll probably give it a shot to see what I can do.
I also realized PA is not 2.00 after I posted that, buts its still a JB Paranoid ROM so it'll do for now while I learn.
It's really good seeing someone (who isn't a regular dev that I know of?) taking such initiative and asking the right questions and such in order to get some dev'ing underway.
Great job! :good:
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It's really good seeing someone (who isn't a regular dev that I know of?) taking such initiative and asking the right questions and such in order to get some dev'ing underway.
Great job! :good:
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Thanks! I appreciate it So I got a little ahead of myself and tried it tonight, I'm slowly following a guide and I THOUGHT I was doing everything correctly but it won't flash after "Verifying system partition size" and I got an error. This seems to be a common problem that leads to the updater script, so I'm going to take a look at it when I get up. Could just be a syntax error, or maybe I'm just building it wrong I'm kinda tired
U can always nab the updater script from cm10 hox also. Its been a while and I forgot to mention that. I had the same issue with the evo rooms and that did the trick:beer:
I tried: using the ports updater, the base, and a collaboration of the two and it still didn't go through. Maybe its something else ? I'll try it again to double check.
After seeing the Development for our phone i thought lets take a look what is still missing so here is some things i felt that are missing...
1.CWM Touch recovery 5.5.0.4(Only Manual recovery 6.x.x.x by Sarthak Acharya)
2.TWRP 2.3(Currently we have 2.2.2.1 by cute_prince and oblikas both have their own builds)
3.CM7.2 fully Fixed with cam(I know its old but alot of customisation can be done with it more then ICS and JB)
4.A proper P.A.C rom from source build(Ported rom are alot buggy)
5.Oxygen(GB/ICS/JB) & CNA(ICS/JB) rom from source build(GB not sure for Oxygen)
7.CyanmobileX 2.3.8 and GingerDX types rom build from source
8.S-OFF most important to flash HBoot
9.Overclock(I know many people wont support it but hey people like me need it 600Mhz isnt enough)
10.Sense 2.1(I know OLD but it looks classic than our sense 3.5)
Have suggestions..?? dont waste time say it....
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After seeing the Development for our phone i thought lets take a look what is still missing so here is some things i felt that are missing...
1.CWM Touch recovery 5.5.0.4(Only Manual recovery 6.x.x.x by Sarthak Acharya)
2.TWRP 2.3(Currently we have 2.2.2.1 by cute_prince and oblikas both have their own builds)
3.CM7.2 fully Fixed with cam(I know its old but alot of customisation can be done with it more then ICS and JB)
4.A proper P.A.C rom from source build(Ported rom are alot buggy)
5.Oxygen(GB/ICS/JB) & CNA(ICS/JB) rom from source build(GB not sure for Oxygen)
7.CyanmobileX 2.3.8 and GingerDX types rom build from source
8.S-OFF most important to flash HBoot
9.Overclock(I know many people wont support it but hey people like me need it 600Mhz isnt enough)
10.Sense 2.1(I know OLD but it looks classic than our sense 3.5)
Have suggestions..?? dont waste time say it....
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Nothing missing but we still have to work alot on the current ROMs like CM9/10 , AOKP, MIUI , Sense 4. Coz theres still alot of work left on these ROMs, as the newer version of Android comes the development of older versions is left behind so if it goes on like this we will never get any stable ROM but many ported buggy ROMs.
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I just think it is amazing all the great development that is taking place. I originally thought it would be great if I could get ICS when HTC said it was not possible, now it looks like I will get a fully stable JB shortly and maybe even Sense 4. Deferas' build is almost unbelievable - he is a genius. I wish someone from HTC would help him unofficially. They know what he needs and could help him easily.
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Perfect Android is a redistribution of the Android Open Source Project and Google software code that I have lightly modified to make as a daily driver for myself that I'm sharing with the community. This project doesn't have and won't focus on adding a ton of features and mods but instead focus on stability, and reliability so yes basically this is a stock like rom but not just stock my only efforts will be to make it run better, and be more polished, and complete.
GOOGLE APPS ARE INCLUDED
DOWNLOAD:
https://hotfile.com/dl/181925379/d84644d/perfect_grouper_ota_2012-12-01.zip.html
Mirrors:
If you have an error or something pops up I ask that before you post about it please make sure that you are running the ROM as provided. I cannot troubleshoot anything that is related to using other kernels, mods, or themes.
This ROM is basically like a stock rom of jelly bean so there is not a need for screen shots ........
Always remember that XDA started out as a great place and will remain a great place as long as we are great to each other anything used in this ROM is available upon request and feel free to use this as a base rom for any other project my ROM is un-branded just give me some mention .......
WANT TO CUSTOMIZE THIS ROM READ THIS:
Like the ROM and want to add or remove anything or customize for yourself use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246 DSIXDA's Kitchen. Its a great kitchen for customizing prebuilt ROMs
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CyanogenMod Team
Google - I used their apps
AOSP - of course
Probably gonna add a changelog here
AOSP 4.2 ROM so quickly? That will be interesting
Can you have some screenshots?
yep its uploaded
it looks just like stock I built it to be at least as good as what you get from google if everything is working correctly that is when I will begin modifying but for now it looks like the stock ROM so I didn't think screenshots would be needed
first of all you have to give us changelog, then i'll flash it, because now i don't know exactly what are the differences between Your rom and stock, so is it worth flash it?
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first of all you have to give us changelog, then i'll flash it, because now i don't know exactly what are the differences between Your rom and stock, so is it worth flash it?
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Its solely up to you guys if you want to flash it as this is an expensive hobby for me I'm just sharing what I do with the community so is it worth it, for me yeah, for you I really don't care, I hope I'm not coming off as an ass but I have to draw a line somewhere. I not making any claims with this ROM I just sharing it if you use it fine if not fine, I don't get into the whole screenshots large claims huge changelog thing I just post and share I also maintain this ROM for the Sprint Galaxy Nexus which it has done just fine so if you want you can do a search here and see what and where I come from .......
I'm very happy when see any new rom in N7 development, because nexus need fresh look from developers, so i was thinking that You could push some new tweaks into ours devices. Almost all roms here are just "cleaned" or "minimalistic" or "performanced" in real these rom are almost stock with the same user experience. So do not get angry when I want to know if there will be something more here...
Does it work with twrp?
After flash with twrp, I see the information is Android 4.2 JOP40C. I dont know whether it is flashed or not?
I will happily try your rom to see how it compares to CleanRom, give my feedback tomorrow
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I'm very happy when see any new rom in N7 development, because nexus need fresh look from developers, so i was thinking that You could push some new tweaks into ours devices. Almost all roms here are just "cleaned" or "minimalistic" or "performanced" in real these rom are almost stock with the same user experience. So do not get angry when I want to know if there will be something more here...
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I'm not getting angry with you in fact I agree however, regardless of how you feel about those roms someone still put that effort into them. Honestly for me the N7 is a new device and before I go making claims that my ROM can start your car and end world hunger I want to make sure that it at least meets stock standards. AOSP has done a lot of work to somewhat remove google entries in their code so it has taken me a few days to re-build AOSP code to work correctly with G-APPS and other Google code I do NOT claim to be an over the top developer I just do this as a pastime I have certain things that I do not like and thats why I have started making my own ROMs so that I always get what I want. Now I can tell you this and I know this as a fact THIS IS NOT A WINZIP KITCHEN ROM IT IS BUILT FROM SOURCE it took hella work to get it up to a win zip ROM and thats where we're at so far lol. When I learn all the changes to the 4.2 coding I will start to add small feature to my ROM.
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Does it work with twrp?
After flash with twrp, I see the information is Android 4.2 JOP40C. I dont know whether it is flashed or not?
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yes it works with TWRP and the information in the About screen is correct
There isn't developer section in setting menu. Is this normal?
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There isn't developer section in setting menu. Is this normal?
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Tap on the build in settings>about phone 7 times and it appears.
Paul
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Tap on the build in settings>about phone 7 times and it appears.
Paul
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Thank you! I dont know this.
This ROM doesn't include busybox. I think jakdillard should install busybox by default .
Testing this ROM with LeanKernel.
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Thank you! I dont know this.
This ROM doesn't include busybox. I think jakdillard should install busybox by default .
Testing this ROM with LeanKernel.
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lol who knows I might depends on how things go with this
Installed thid yesterday and so far no problems, nice deep sleep of 96%. Nice work
With leanKernel, I just have 86% batterry overnight :crying:. I charged it fully the night before.
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With leanKernel, I just have 86% batterry overnight :crying:. I charged it fully the night before.
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haven't checked for myself but is leankernel updated for 4.2
This might be a noob question, but I want to know that since our bootloader is locked, how we are able to port Cynaogenmod and other ROMs like Paranoid Android to Atrix 2? Recently official AOSP ROM was released for Moto RAZR which also has a locked bootloader. So why we can't have an official CM for Atrix 2?
What difference is there between a CM port and an official CM for unlocked bootloader device ?
Just some noob questions which came in my mind. Please clarify. Sorry for a silly question.
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This might be a noob question, but I want to know that since our bootloader is locked, how we are able to port Cynaogenmod and other ROMs like Paranoid Android to Atrix 2? Recently official AOSP ROM was released for Moto RAZR which also has a locked bootloader. So why we can't have an official CM for Atrix 2?
What difference is there between a CM port and an official CM for unlocked bootloader device ?
Just some noob questions which came in my mind. Please clarify. Sorry for a silly question.
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It all surrounds around the kernel. Unlocked bootloader devices can run "custom" compiled kernels, and CM and the other "custom" non-stock based roms all have their own kernels too.
The reason that we can run "unofficial" versions is because your devs (me included), have to compile the ROM around the "stock" kernel, so that it can be installed right along side the stock kernel, and run without issue. All of the AOSPA, and PA, and such are the same exact way.
Anything that can be done on the Razr can pretty much be done on this phone. The thing is that your dev team is much smaller on the A2 as it was not a very popular device, so it takes longer if ever to get something since the devs make the choice to work on a specific ROM or not.
Also the "official" CM compiles are done by the cyanogen mod team themselves and they do all the coding and have an auto compile server to get the versions out to the public, so again it is up to the developers there to decide which phones they want to support. Again though if you look all the "official" build devices ALL have unlocked bootloaders in some form or fashion, so that the "custom" compiled kernel will install with out issue.
Actually, it looks like Hashcode and dhacker recently got the RAZR included in the "official" CM nightlies... http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Spyder_Info
So, if something stable enough is worked out for the A2 (i.e. kexec), then we could possibly see an "official" edison of some sort at some point... in theory.
For now, I'll be happy with stable "unofficial" builds..
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Actually, it looks like Hashcode and dhacker recently got the RAZR included in the "official" CM nightlies... http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Spyder_Info
So, if something stable enough is worked out for the A2 (i.e. kexec), then we could possibly see an "official" edison of some sort at some point... in theory.
For now, I'll be happy with stable "unofficial" builds..
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That is still not considered "official" cyanogen builds.....
If it is not listed here, then it is not 100% official:
http://get.cm
It is lets say.... an unofficial, "official" build, though. LOL
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That is still not considered "official" cyanogen builds.....
If it is not listed here, then it is not 100% official:
http://get.cm
It is lets say.... an unofficial, "official" build, though. LOL
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Um, Jim.. spyder and umts_spyder are both listed there
Still, I think Hashcode and dhacker have the status/connections to get it dubbed "official"..
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Um, Jim.. spyder and umts_spyder are both listed there
Still, I think Hashcode and dhacker have the status/connections to get it dubbed "official"..
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so do I.... Don't forget who is on the cm coding team....
I did some looking internally at CM and found that these are semi-official, right now, with a big but, the kexec I am told is what is keeping it with the semi status...
They are looking into changing that for kexec based compiles, so.... Hopefully, that happens.
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It all surrounds around the kernel. Unlocked bootloader devices can run "custom" compiled kernels, and CM and the other "custom" non-stock based roms all have their own kernels too.
The reason that we can run "unofficial" versions is because your devs (me included), have to compile the ROM around the "stock" kernel, so that it can be installed right along side the stock kernel, and run without issue. All of the AOSPA, and PA, and such are the same exact way.
Anything that can be done on the Razr can pretty much be done on this phone. The thing is that your dev team is much smaller on the A2 as it was not a very popular device, so it takes longer if ever to get something since the devs make the choice to work on a specific ROM or not.
Also the "official" CM compiles are done by the cyanogen mod team themselves and they do all the coding and have an auto compile server to get the versions out to the public, so again it is up to the developers there to decide which phones they want to support. Again though if you look all the "official" build devices ALL have unlocked bootloaders in some form or fashion, so that the "custom" compiled kernel will install with out issue.
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Thanks for the reply. I wish I could also develop something for Atrix 2. But I am not familiar with the development. How is it done? and where do you test it and all other things? Is there some starting tutorial there for it? Or maybe some place from where you all guys started learning the developement?
androiddecoded said:
Thanks for the reply. I wish I could also develop something for Atrix 2. But I am not familiar with the development. How is it done? and where do you test it and all other things? Is there some starting tutorial there for it? Or maybe some place from where you all guys started learning the developement?
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I would start with my thread for all the tools you need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404442
Then you can start with taking a shot at a stock based ROM, since they really are the easiest place to start. You will need some form of linux ubuntu is really the most supported distro for android dev work, so that is a good start. This can be a VM to start out with, you can use a free VM tool like virtual box, if you want to just to give it a try, but I will tell you a dual boot works much better, and I will be honest I have a machine that just uses ubuntu and does not run windows at all. I have a wine install for things like netflix and such, but other than that.... no windows. That is just me though.
The key is the android kitchen... and that ONLY runs on linux, that where you build your ROM at. There are guys like rdavisct, who do it on windows, but even he would tell you how much of a PIA it was for him, and he did eventually go to ubuntu with my help.
After that you can start to look at compiling roms like CM, aospa, and the like.
jimbridgman said:
I would start with my thread for all the tools you need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404442
Then you can start with taking a shot at a stock based ROM, since they really are the easiest place to start. You will need some form of linux ubuntu is really the most supported distro for android dev work, so that is a good start. This can be a VM to start out with, you can use a free VM tool like virtual box, if you want to just to give it a try, but I will tell you a dual boot works much better, and I will be honest I have a machine that just uses ubuntu and does not run windows at all. I have a wine install for things like netflix and such, but other than that.... no windows. That is just me though.
The key is the android kitchen... and that ONLY runs on linux, that where you build your ROM at. There are guys like rdavisct, who do it on windows, but even he would tell you how much of a PIA it was for him, and he did eventually go to ubuntu with my help.
After that you can start to look at compiling roms like CM, aospa, and the like.
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I don't want to be the antagonist here , but I did everything in Windows until I started my attempts at building from source.
Dsixda's kitchen works fine in Windows with Cygwin. I started off building pseudo-ROMs (or rebuilding the stock ROMs) with the kitchen, and then I eventually just used 7-zip and other tools and did it manually.
I currently use Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit in Virtual Box in Windows on my laptop to compile from source. But I did just install 12.10 fully on my old PC... 32-bit unfortunately.. I need to upgrade that comp, or find a work-around to build in 32-bit.. Anyhow, it runs much nicer than windows xp did.
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jimbridgman said:
I would start with my thread for all the tools you need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1404442
Then you can start with taking a shot at a stock based ROM, since they really are the easiest place to start. You will need some form of linux ubuntu is really the most supported distro for android dev work, so that is a good start. This can be a VM to start out with, you can use a free VM tool like virtual box, if you want to just to give it a try, but I will tell you a dual boot works much better, and I will be honest I have a machine that just uses ubuntu and does not run windows at all. I have a wine install for things like netflix and such, but other than that.... no windows. That is just me though.
The key is the android kitchen... and that ONLY runs on linux, that where you build your ROM at. There are guys like rdavisct, who do it on windows, but even he would tell you how much of a PIA it was for him, and he did eventually go to ubuntu with my help.
After that you can start to look at compiling roms like CM, aospa, and the like.
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Thats awesome. I have both Red Hat and Ubuntu installed. What about the testing? After compiling do you test it directly on your Atrix 2? I have only one mobile and am afraid to test it directly on it. :crying:
androiddecoded said:
Thats awesome. I have both Red Hat and Ubuntu installed. What about the testing? After compiling do you test it directly on your Atrix 2? I have only one mobile and am afraid to test it directly on it. :crying:
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Yes, that is the only way. That is why you have the fxz and rsd lite handy and ready, just in case. 20 min. and you are back up and running. If you are concerned go buy a 10-40 buck "burner" at Walmart and put your sim in it, for while you test. I am lucky that I still have my HTC hero lying around for just that purpose... Every time I bricked my a2 (doing bootloader work), that was my go to backup.
I never needed it while doing ROM work, because the worst that will happen is boot loops/soft brick, it is nearly impossible to hard brick the a2 testing a ROM that does not have a kernel in it.
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Yes, that is the only way. That is why you have the fxz and rsd lite handy and ready, just in case. 20 min. and you are back up and running. If you are concerned go buy a 10-40 buck "burner" at Walmart and put your sim in it, for while you test. I am lucky that I still have my HTC hero lying around for just that purpose... Every time I bricked my a2 (doing bootloader work), that was my go to backup.
I never needed it while doing ROM work, because the worst that will happen is boot loops/soft brick, it is nearly impossible to hard brick the a2 testing a ROM that does not have a kernel in it.
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Thanks sir. Got that
Will try to contribute something if I can. Kudos to our dev team. You guys are doing a great job. Happy to be a part of a great community
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Yes, that is the only way. That is why you have the fxz and rsd lite handy and ready, just in case. 20 min. and you are back up and running. If you are concerned go buy a 10-40 buck "burner" at Walmart and put your sim in it, for while you test. I am lucky that I still have my HTC hero lying around for just that purpose... Every time I bricked my a2 (doing bootloader work), that was my go to backup.
I never needed it while doing ROM work, because the worst that will happen is boot loops/soft brick, it is nearly impossible to hard brick the a2 testing a ROM that does not have a kernel in it.
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I took the Paranoid Android ROM from this page for practice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050705
I extracted it using Android Kitchen, but it says boot.img not found. Do we need to add boot.img from our phone or its not needed since we have a locked bootlader. Or should I take stock Atrix 2 ROM?
androiddecoded said:
I took the Paranoid Android ROM from this page for practice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050705
I extracted it using Android Kitchen, but it says boot.img not found. Do we need to add boot.img from our phone or its not needed since we have a locked bootlader. Or should I take stock Atrix 2 ROM?
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Ok, so you need to let the kitchen create or import a "fake" one, as the kitchen was originally made for like samsung and htc phones and they require one, so the kitchen needs one, it will remove it when it builds the ROM and creates the zip file.
Also make sure you have the edison file, that was listed and where to put it was also listed in my thread on ROM building for the A2. That will help you create a proper updater-script when it builds the ROM, as well as give the proper mapping for our partitions on the A2.
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Ok, so you need to let the kitchen create or import a "fake" one, as the kitchen was originally made for like samsung and htc phones and they require one, so the kitchen needs one, it will remove it when it builds the ROM and creates the zip file.
Also make sure you have the edison file, that was listed and where to put it was also listed in my thread on ROM building for the A2. That will help you create a proper updater-script when it builds the ROM, as well as give the proper mapping for our partitions on the A2.
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I will do it tomorrow. Really thank you for assisting me.
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Ok, so you need to let the kitchen create or import a "fake" one, as the kitchen was originally made for like samsung and htc phones and they require one, so the kitchen needs one, it will remove it when it builds the ROM and creates the zip file.
Also make sure you have the edison file, that was listed and where to put it was also listed in my thread on ROM building for the A2. That will help you create a proper updater-script when it builds the ROM, as well as give the proper mapping for our partitions on the A2.
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One more doubt. I am building ROM from already built ROM i.e. the zip is already compiled, so how can I fix bugs like camera bugs and other things because they are already compiled i.e. in the form of apk.So should I use APK tool which is used to decompile the apk? Is there any difference while creating a ROM from source and creating it from already compiled zips.?? Silly question but I want to clear all these doubts
I downloaded the leaked 4.1 for Atrix 2. But I can't see the same folder format in that like system, META-INF? Why is that difference
androiddecoded said:
One more doubt. I am building ROM from already built ROM i.e. the zip is already compiled, so how can I fix bugs like camera bugs and other things because they are already compiled i.e. in the form of apk.So should I use APK tool which is used to decompile the apk? Is there any difference while creating a ROM from source and creating it from already compiled zips.?? Silly question but I want to clear all these doubts
I downloaded the leaked 4.1 for Atrix 2. But I can't see the same folder format in that like system, META-INF? Why is that difference
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The issues for the camera are NOT in the apk itself, they are in the vendor libraries, the issue is that when vendor libraries are introduced for certai n things the ROM does not boot.
The best bet until you get better at C code and compiling ROMS, I would not mess with that. You can however build a working CM10.1 with a working camera by using a camera apk from the market, like 360 camera, and there are a few others, you can just drop that into /system/app and build the ROM and it should work for you.
Once you complie CM there is not much you can fix like that, rdavisct and I were doing just that until Wang released his source for the required A2 files (we did find a lot of issues and fix them, but they were actual missing libs and similar back then., It really is a lost cause to use the zip to "fix" "real compiled in bugs, because anything you do like that will not have the needed pieces compiled around it, some libraries will not work right since others that are from CM were not compiled around the ones from the phone, and think that they are part of the CM code, and are not "includes" in the compile.
You can however do a lot of customizing to the ROM to fit YOUR needs, but do not expect to fix any issues this way. Like I mentioned the camera is an easy one, you then just go to settings tell it your "default" camera app is the 360 camera, not the stock CM one.
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The issues for the camera are NOT in the apk itself, they are in the vendor libraries, the issue is that when vendor libraries are introduced for certai n things the ROM does not boot.
The best bet until you get better at C code and compiling ROMS, I would not mess with that. You can however build a working CM10.1 with a working camera by using a camera apk from the market, like 360 camera, and there are a few others, you can just drop that into /system/app and build the ROM and it should work for you.
Once you complie CM there is not much you can fix like that, rdavisct and I were doing just that until Wang released his source for the required A2 files (we did find a lot of issues and fix them, but they were actual missing libs and similar back then., It really is a lost cause to use the zip to "fix" "real compiled in bugs, because anything you do like that will not have the needed pieces compiled around it, some libraries will not work right since others that are from CM were not compiled around the ones from the phone, and think that they are part of the CM code, and are not "includes" in the compile.
You can however do a lot of customizing to the ROM to fit YOUR needs, but do not expect to fix any issues this way. Like I mentioned the camera is an easy one, you then just go to settings tell it your "default" camera app is the 360 camera, not the stock CM one.
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Oh, ok. So can I try removing Moto Homescreen app and setting Nova Launcher as default?
And why is the difference between files between Moto 4.1 leak and Paranoid Android ROM. The regular mapping of folder is not there like META-inf , /system etc..
EDIT: I think I got it. Leaked Moto 4.1 is fastboot file and PA is flashable zip. I think I am right. Can I get the zip for Moto 4.1 leak?
4.1 leak is not a flashable zip.
The meta-inf folder items are for zips that are flashed in recovery.
And, not to dissuade you from jumping in to modding/dev'ing, but you may want to take things a bit slower... Start small.. And read/research a lot.
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Oh, ok. So can I try removing Moto Homescreen app and setting Nova Launcher as default?
And why is the difference between files between Moto 4.1 leak and Paranoid Android ROM. The regular mapping of folder is not there like META-inf , /system etc..
EDIT: I think I got it. Leaked Moto 4.1 is fastboot file and PA is flashable zip. I think I am right. Can I get the zip for Moto 4.1 leak?
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No, there is not a flashable "zip" for the Moto 4.1 leak, you will have to build that on your own with the Rom kitchen, since it is an FXZ, it will not have those flashable parts. The kitchen is very easy to use, it is menu driven and only takes about 30 min to an hour to do what it seems you want to do.
You can replace the launcher from within a flashable zip, but you might have issues, because the MOTO blur junk that is in their ROMS DEPENDS on it, if you do NOT leave it (moto blur launcher) in /system, then a number of things will not work that depend on the moto launcher (they are embedded in the xml files in the apks, and need to be edited to NOT look for the moto laucher), I think it is more trouble than it is worth, personally.
I would throw Apex in there if that is what you want, and then on first boot select it as your default launcher and be done with it, less issues and mess, other than the old moto launcher taking space in /system. BY the way ANYTHING that you put in /system is not really 100% upgrade-able by the market app, so like lets say you put apex in /system, then the market can not update the version in /system, since it is read only, and it will either fail the update, or try to put the newer updated files /data, so you will have things in two places for your 3rd party launcher. It is MUCH better to put any APKS that would come from the market into /data so they can get updates with out any odd issues, just a heads up...
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As alteredlikeness said about the same time I was posting, start a little smaller, and do a bunch of learning, because from what I see you asking about and posting in here, you have a good bit of learning to do, about how the directory structure and things are and work in android, as well as some ROM building basics.