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I know you can use different virtual applications that will allow a person to run Android on a Windows device. For example:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-and-run-android-4.0-on-mac-windows-pc-or-linux-tutorial/
What I'm wondering is . . . is it possible to remove the Windows OS on a netbook and run Android 4.0 instead? If so, does someone have a link they can point me to?
*BUMP* Anyone?
Yes, it's possible. Just burn an ISO with Android-x86 (ICS RC1), delete all the partitions you have on your netbook and then create two - one ext3 for Android (4-8GB should be ok) and one fat32 for your data. Then boot Android installer and install on ext3 partition. And yes, it can boot as a normal system.
Teoretically it should work. Don't know if there are any more things to do.
Thanks for the info, so you're saying it's possible to dual boot, windows or Android, just as long as I have the partitions set up correctly? Has anyone else done this? If so, do you have a link to a tutorial or thread? I appreciate the help!
I might try to do this when my I disconnect service to my netbook. Is the android version that is installed rootable?
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disconnecktie said:
I might try to do this when my I disconnect service to my netbook. Is the android version that is installed rootable?
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For what I see, Android x86 comes with the SU command, so it's already rooted.
Hell yea. Since there isnt a boot loader there is no need for unlockig either.
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You probably want your data partition something other than FAT32, because it has problems with larger files...
Android-x86.org
There i got 4.0 fully ru.ning on pc
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mkm1126 said:
Thanks for the info, so you're saying it's possible to dual boot, windows or Android, just as long as I have the partitions set up correctly? Has anyone else done this? If so, do you have a link to a tutorial or thread? I appreciate the help!
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It is indeed possible, I have done it. If you have the partitions setup right the installation is pretty straight forward, it asks if you have Windows so it's dualboot capable, it will install GRUB and add the Android and Windows items to it for you.
Format your hard drive to ext, then install the Android-x86 project.
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Format your hard drive to ext, then install the Android-x86 project.
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You really don't even have to do this, you can install it to a FAT32 partition (I think even an NTFS. But by doing so you can't have root.
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not sure the point of this , I **** canned WIN7 on my netbook and put Kubuntu on it and it flies now , Windows slowed it down, but Android I dont think would do anything for me, its like running Windows 8 on a desktop (which I am doing right now because I dont have an ARM available)
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not sure the point of this , I **** canned WIN7 on my netbook and put Kubuntu on it and it flies now , Windows slowed it down, but Android I dont think would do anything for me, its like running Windows 8 on a desktop (which I am doing right now because I dont have an ARM available)
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Windows 8 consumer preview is not that bad on a desktop but Android is indeed not that useful on a desktop at all. Although on a laptop of any kind, it's pretty nice as an instant on.
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Well if thats the case just download the app Bluestacks, then you can keep Windows and run all your android apps in a second! Personally speaking , on the netbook ,windows uses too many resources for it to be useful , Kubuntu only uses what you want and therefore is far superior (on this platform)
hi everyone well im getting a custom built pc soon but not sure which os so what do you think (also i have heard there are also driver problems and ubuntu is not for gaming)
Run Ubuntu then run windows inside of it
Run Windows then run ubuntu inside of it
only thing is i cant burn windows straight away so ubuntu is probably the way to go
all input would be appreciated
Ryan Stampton said:
hi everyone well im getting a custom built pc soon but not sure which os so what do you think (also i have heard there are also driver problems and ubuntu is not for gaming)
Run Ubuntu then run windows inside of it
Run Windows then run ubuntu inside of it
only thing is i cant burn windows straight away so ubuntu is probably the way to go
all input would be appreciated
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Neither. Dual-boot it so that both Linux and Windows are both running natively as it's a much better way to run them.
SimonTS said:
Neither. Dual-boot it so that both Linux and Windows are both running natively as it's a much better way to run them.
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Thanks i forgot you could duel boot
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Thanks i forgot you could duel boot
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Not a problem. It is slightly trickier installing Linux first, then Windows - but not a real problem. You will just have to make sure that you keep your Linux Live image handy so you can re-install the Linux bootloader afterwards as Windows doesn't like sharing with anything else
Yeah, definitely dual-boot if you must have Linux, though I find it's a rather irrelevant operating system.
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Yeah, definitely dual-boot if you must have Linux, though I find it's a rather irrelevant operating system.
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Irrelevant? Really? Do you have an Android phone? You are aware that Android wouldn't exist without Linux and the Linux kernel ... aren't you?
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Irrelevant? Really? Do you have an Android phone? You are aware that Android wouldn't exist without Linux and the Linux kernel ... aren't you?
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Android and GNU+Linux are largely unrelated. That said, it's hard to see how he could call the latter "irrelevant". It's really only "irrelevant" if you are a hardcore gamer (and even then, there are pretty decent stopgap solutions for many games, and steam is also coming).
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Irrelevant? Really? Do you have an Android phone? You are aware that Android wouldn't exist without Linux and the Linux kernel ... aren't you?
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I often work with Windows 7, then install Wubi to create a dual-boot system with Ubuntu (except that the Ubuntu disk is stored inside a virtual disk file on the host filesystem, whilst still running on its own).
Try it, super easy, simple and safe
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I often work with Windows 7, then install Wubi to create a dual-boot system with Ubuntu (except that the Ubuntu disk is stored inside a virtual disk file on the host filesystem, whilst still running on its own).
Try it, super easy, simple and safe
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Wubi is more vulnerable to corruption in the event of a hard reboot, and is naturally slower.
The problem with ubuntu (alone) is that the first things you do is to install WINE (or else it does not last long).
If you install a dual boot and if you are accustomed to windows most of the time you will use windows.
for a time I had windows and ubuntu installed but it was really useless however do it if you want it costs nothing more (first install windows and next ubuntu, it's easier in this order)
Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8./LINUX !!
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Now we will be concentrating on Linux. it Will be easier.
Please use this thread for discussing Linux on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
Thanks for reading !
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Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8.
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Thanks for reading !
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much like apple windows 8 is closed source. Thats pretty much the end of the thread. Without a way to compile, edit the operating system and know what changes your making its just not a undertaking many will accept.
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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well quite honestly your talking about porting windows to a device. Our device comes with android and you want to port windows to it instead. So on our device there are parititons chuncks of data of varying sizes allocated to hold a small part of the code that runs our phone. from ramdisk to the radio. The issue on its surface, we dont know how that partition table lines up with a different device.(which the partition table can and most likely is, completely different) and because winodws 8 is closed source we dont know how it boots, or how to edit the imstaller to ensure the os gets copied over the correct partitions. if porting were as easying as just flashing what ever you want and then changing some things to tweak it i'm sure you'd see hundreds of ports in a day or two. Unforntatley it really kinda sucks
The partitions are the biggest problem. We could in theory also boot from the SD card and as a result bypass all the android stuff and get it dual-booting but first we need to know how we can boot windows
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Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) " 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER ( NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD ) contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out http://reboot.pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
@trevd @wranglerray Thanks so much for the input
This shouldn't really be too hard to do for an experienced dev IMO but I don't have mcuh experience with all this stuff
The stuff that has been done to the HD2 was a lot harder I think but Cotulla still managed to make a custom bootloader and boot WP7 things like that
Thanks again for the comments
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
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@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
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As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
dale_para_bajo said:
As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
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@dale_para_bajo EXACTLY my friend. You stole the words right out of my mouth
Objective: Get Linux booting. SD card way is better.
Any updates on this?
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Any updates on this?
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It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
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It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Even if Windows RT aka an ARM optimized ISO, was downloadable, it COULD NOT be used on Tab 3 10.1
Because this Tab doesn't have an ARM CPU, it have a x86 (32Bits) CPU. So better get a x86 ISO. I also got the same idea (like many other Tab 3 10.1 users). But the dream is NOT going anywhere. Also, Android apps are honestly BAD OPTIMIZED for this CPU ! That's why the Tab lags.
I sold mine and have bought a Tab 7.7 w/ SuperAmoled HD Screen but I broke its screen and can't now find any replacement in my region
Our best chance would be:
Ability of instally Windows 8 into a single .IMG file like Windows XP has been installed !
However, QEMU and KVM refuses to install Windows 8 into a VM idk why !
The RAM of the Tab is also a bit low to run Windows 8 inside Android.
If only a Great Dev could port or create "The Multi-boot bootloader" for Tab 3 10.1 as done on Nexus 7, then I won't waste my money buying a Windows 8 Tablet again since I would manage to install Windows 8 natively, whatever happened !
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Can this work?
trevd said:
Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) "* 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER (* NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD )* contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out httpdouble slash)reboot(dot)pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase** @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
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I am new to the forum but not windows and android though not advanced but do you think that getting those files in the 100mb partition and making an ext2 image of them with slight modifications to fit in the architecture and flash the image as a recovery image?
or perhaps we could use rom manager and by creating a virtual rom composing of windows and boot them via the rom manager tool.
or perhaps we could use grub or a similar tool to boot into an image file or sdcard with windows installed on it and flash the grub files onto the recovery partition but some one with advanced info please confirm all these possibilities!
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Hit thanks if I helped, its not that tough
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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yes but
Nonta72 said:
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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i think it's possible
check this out starting at angel_666's post #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589370&page=2
finding out where the flag checking starts and finishes would probably make the third stage boot
more realizeable. i directly flashed both grub and then plop to recovery block and got nowhere,
so it's mmcblk0boot0 or mmcblk0boot1, i haven't found anything in param===>/dev/block/mmcblk0p16 yet
and if p5210 has the little kernel burnt onto the chip setup, from my understanding of what i've
read it's a really basic/small/simple setup so even if the flag was there and unchangeable we should
still be able to get past it somewhere else, right?
Really ?
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Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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I firstly got this idea and have posted here on XDA about it :good:
Look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2682603
However, mine was about running Windows 8 inside Android
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Hello,
I have found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070139
If you read further, you can find almost complete solution for archlinux natively on Note 10.1. WIth multiple fixes/scripts. Any reason why it cannot be done on tab3 10.1? I'm asking because I might try to compile proper kernel and prepare some distribution as tablet provides power that ends up completely wasted by android.
I've been informed that this secure boot unlock is only for Windows 8.0 and NOT 8.1. Attempting this on Windows 8.1 can result in a brick! This may also be risky for Windows 8.0 You've been warned.
We need some serious help and organization. This thread will be dedicated to getting Linux on these Surface RT tablets. We already have the secure boot unlock so why don't we have a full Linux install? I believe it's because all the information is strewn about the internet with incomplete information and broken links. So please keep this thread topic only on the topic of secure boot unlock and Linux booting on Surface RT.
Ok so about the unlock, for those who are asking you can get it here, check the end of the post. To run the secure boot unlock: Move the SecureBoot zip to the desktop, unpack it, and run the script InstallPolicy.cmd as an administrator. (right click and "run as administrator"). In my case it was not working properly because I was trying to run it off a removable usb thumb drive, you should run it from the desktop. Your tablet should reboot then you should get the "secure boot debug policy applicator" install menu with a bunch of warning text. If your RT device has a removable keyboard then please use the volume keys as the "arrow keys" to select accept and confirm it by taping the "windows key" below the screen, I had to do that for my Surface RT. It now should reboot back to windows and at this point you'll want to open a CMD in administrator mode (search for CMD, right click and "run as administrator") and run the command as mentioned in the included readme file.
Code:
bcdedit /set {default} testsigning on && bcdedit /set {bootmgr} testsigning on
Now reboot one last time and your good.
So now what? How do you boot? You can boot anything now by going to settings in the side bar menu, clicking "change PC settings", navigating to "general" settings, and at the bottom of that you should see an "advanced startup". Selecting "restart now" underneath "advanced startup" should bring you to a menu that will allow you to select a USB drive to boot off of. Included at the bottom is also a grub bootloader that's been created for these RT devices and a couple of other possibly related zips.
WE NEED PEOPLE WORKING ON GETTING THE KERNEL TO BOOT! SHARE THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO COULD HELP! I was trying to use the source for a related (but not totally the same) hardware known as the "Cardhu Development Board" from Nvidia. The source code for that can be found here, and their own released version of Ubuntu Linux for Cardhu can be found here. I couldn't get the compiled kernel from source to boot but maybe some drivers can be had from that repository.
I DID NOT CREATE ANY OF THESE HACKS, I'm just more a hobbyist learning computers and programming who also loves Linux. Credit seems to go to users @Wack0Distractor, @black_blob, and the folks at ROL for the original hacks. Credit goes to @[email protected]@f for recovering the files, his original post is here, seems ROL had a bit of a issue and a lot was lost but their IRC is still up.
List of possibly related and useful information
Secure Boot Golden Keys: https://web.archive.org/web/20170604013028/https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/
Below is a index of posts in this thread that should be of interest.
Page 9 Post #85 -- Getting into APX mode (AKA RCM mode): https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77286176&postcount=85
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How do we use the GRUB, ci_tools_arm & EFIESP??
I have Windows RT 8.1
XDA-00 said:
How do we use the GRUB, ci_tools_arm & EFIESP??
I have Windows RT 8.1
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My Surface RT was a used tablet and it came with Windows 8.0 afaik, so everything just worked. I actually don't know what "ci_tools_arm" are but I do know with EFIESP and GRUB you just unzip the contents of just one (take your pick) to the root of a USB drive and they will boot whatever you configure them to boot. "EFIESP" can be used to boot the Windows IOT from https://forum.xda-developers.com/wi...ows-phone-windows-10-mobile-surface-t3365743/ while GRUB can be used to boot ANYTHING, even Windows, so long as you have the proper kernel or files. If you try to boot GRUB you'll just get the GRUB loader screen and the attachable keyboard doesn't work in GRUB, a USB keyboard might though. Right now we need someone to compile a working kernel with drivers for the RT line of devices.
EDIT: Booting stuff requires that you unlocked "secure boot" as mentioned above.
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You are going to get people bricked with this method.
DO NOT under any circumstance use this guide if you are on RT 8.1. It will end up in crashing your device and possibly even bricking it (that has been reported). RT 8.1 automatically relocks the secure boot and if you try and install the EFI, it will brick your device.
DO NOT follow this guide unless you are on RT 8.0. Even if you are on RT 8.0, it is still risky.
The kernel for RT is structured differently than a standard linux ARM kernel. That's one of the reasons why linux will most likely not happen for RT devices.
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Is there any way to revert to RT 8 from 8.1?
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Is there any way to revert to RT 8 from 8.1?
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Nope
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Qiangong2 said:
You are going to get people bricked with this method.
DO NOT under any circumstance use this guide if you are on RT 8.1. It will end up in crashing your device and possibly even bricking it (that has been reported). RT 8.1 automatically relocks the secure boot and if you try and install the EFI, it will brick your device.
DO NOT follow this guide unless you are on RT 8.0. Even if you are on RT 8.0, it is still risky.
The kernel for RT is structured differently than a standard linux ARM kernel. That's one of the reasons why linux will most likely not happen for RT devices.
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Added warning to op. Thank you for letting me know.
Qiangong2 said:
You are going to get people bricked with this method.
DO NOT under any circumstance use this guide if you are on RT 8.1. It will end up in crashing your device and possibly even bricking it (that has been reported). RT 8.1 automatically relocks the secure boot and if you try and install the EFI, it will brick your device.
DO NOT follow this guide unless you are on RT 8.0. Even if you are on RT 8.0, it is still risky.
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Quit the fearmongering, MSFT's security update has already been worked around
The kernel for RT is structured differently than a standard linux ARM kernel. That's one of the reasons why linux will most likely not happen for RT devices.
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What do you mean by this
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Quit the fearmongering, MSFT's security update has already been worked around
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The new dev tool, when run together with unlocking secure boot, bricks your device.
What do you mean by this
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The ARM processor is configured to the NT kernel. Unlike most which are configured to a Unix kernel.
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The kernel for RT is structured differently than a standard linux ARM kernel. That's one of the reasons why linux will most likely not happen for RT devices.
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Isn't the device not loading any kernel when GRUB is loaded on a Surface RT? I thought when GRUB was proven to load, that any kernel would load on the Tegra processor, I've seen documentation online where most of the Tegra code (from Nvidia or from Open Source) was ported into the latest Linux kernel.
ShapeShifter499 said:
Isn't the device not loading any kernel when GRUB is loaded on a Surface RT? I thought when GRUB was proven to load, that any kernel would load on the Tegra processor, I've seen documentation online where most of the Tegra code (from Nvidia or from Open Source) was ported into the latest Linux kernel.
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We could just adapt a Linux kernel (like with Android) if the RT kernel was a Linux kernel, but it isn't. RT blocks different kernels from being loaded (like a locked bootloader, just more complex)
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Qiangong2 said:
We could just adapt a Linux kernel (like with Android) if the RT kernel was a Linux kernel, but it isn't. RT blocks different kernels from being loaded (like a locked bootloader, just more complex)
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Is there any documentation stating this? Is the RT kernel active when we boot up GRUB?
There is Linux (Android) kernel available for TF502T Asus tablet which is almost the same as Surface RT and totally same as TF600T. Here you can still download it from Asus website: https://www.asus.com/us/support/Download/28/1/0/17/32/
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There is Linux (Android) kernel available for TF502T Asus tablet which is almost the same as Surface RT and totally same as TF600T. Here you can still download it from Asus website: https://www.asus.com/us/support/Download/28/1/0/17/32/
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I could give it a shot later, sure. Thanks for the information.
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Is there any documentation stating this? Is the RT kernel active when we boot up GRUB?
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We have restricted access (basically cannot do anything), but yes. It is active.
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Qiangong2 said:
We have restricted access (basically cannot do anything), but yes. It is active.
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I'm guessing there is no known button combo to boot up some sort of debug mode, like the fastboot mode on android devices.
Has anyone seen if there are any JTAG or serial connections somewhere on the board?
ShapeShifter499 said:
I'm guessing there is no known button combo to boot up some sort of debug mode, like the fastboot mode on android devices.
Has anyone seen if there are any JTAG or serial connections somewhere on the board?
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Not as far as I know
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Not as far as I know
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Microsoft has really screwed this tablet then, I'm out of ideas for now. For anyone coming across this, if you have ideas or possible solutions please share them.
Hey,
yeah I know what you think. But I don't want to install Windows 10 on any of my tablets.
I just want to know, what work has to be done, to install Windows 10 on a Android Tablet. Just theory, nothing practially.
Ty
nameplayer said:
Hey,
yeah I know what you think. But I don't want to install Windows 10 on any of my tablets.
I just want to know, what work has to be done, to install Windows 10 on a Android Tablet. Just theory, nothing practially.
Ty
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Do a related Google search: you'll get many results!
nameplayer said:
Hey,
yeah I know what you think. But I don't want to install Windows 10 on any of my tablets.
I just want to know, what work has to be done, to install Windows 10 on a Android Tablet. Just theory, nothing practially.
Ty
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The if and how of that question depends on the device in question, the process may or may not vary depending on exactly which device you would be doing this on. Some are simple, most are not and only tablets with certain hardware architectures can even attempt to install Windows 10. The tablets that can install Windows 10 usually can't install the complete Windows 10 OS, they have to use a specialized version that has been trimmed down to reduce the storage space required to install it.