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I am a Hermes owner as well. On my Hermes, the icon shows '3G' most of the time until the phone needs to download. At that point, IF HSDPA is available, then the icon changes to 'H' then back to '3G' when download is complete. However, on the Kaiser, when the HSDPA switch is enabled, it never shows '3G'. Always 'H' wherever it's available, then 'E' everywhere else.
Why doesn't it scale back to 3G at all? I would rather the phone be in 3G mode than H all the time to reduce battery drain? Is this right?
You're right in that the phone should act the same way as the Hermes (H when using it, then 3G when idling). I remember vaguely some 6.1 ROMs had an issue where they displayed H all the time, whether it was using HSDPA or not.
Which ROM are you using, my friend? Might be worth looking through the thread for that ROM and seeing if it's a known issue with the ROM, and if it isn't mentioned, posting in that thread to see what other users are experiencing.
I'm sure you'll find that it's just an icon quirk rather than the phone's in the "wrong" state, so your battery life shouldn't be affected.
When I first started using my Tilt, it would switch back and forth between 3G and H icons depending on the network. For the last 4 months, it has remained on H the whole time.
I use KaiserTweak to auto disconnect HSDPA/3G after 1 minute of inactivity, so regardless of the icon being displayed, I have no adverse effects on my battery life.
In freeware PocketToolman, under OS Tweaks, there is an option that allows you to "Show EDGE network icon instead of GPRS". Untick this option to disable the "E" display.
HSUPA
I've seen in some threads that when your icon stays as an H that you are in an HSUPA enabled area. As I don't seem to live in one I couldn't tell you for sure.
When I'm in NYC, my phone is always showing "H." On my train ride between home (CT) and NYC the phone will switch between all bands depending on my location.
So, it's not just always showing "H" irrespective of the true band. And, when home it'll always show 3G until something is downloading, just like you note.
So...it has to be the band in NYC (for me) that's causing the continuous "H."
The best thing is that there is no difference in the battery drain even though the phone is constantly showing "H," and my download speeds have never been faster. I'm constantly in the 1+ mb range.
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You're right in that the phone should act the same way as the Hermes (H when using it, then 3G when idling). I remember vaguely some 6.1 ROMs had an issue where they displayed H all the time, whether it was using HSDPA or not.
Which ROM are you using, my friend? Might be worth looking through the thread for that ROM and seeing if it's a known issue with the ROM, and if it isn't mentioned, posting in that thread to see what other users are experiencing.
I'm sure you'll find that it's just an icon quirk rather than the phone's in the "wrong" state, so your battery life shouldn't be affected.
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I have used Dutty's and uDK ROMS. They both act the same. I guess we really don't know EXACTLY which state the phone is on for sure. Since mine only show either 'H' or 'E'. Never ever see '3G'. On my hermes, it's mostly '3G'. I have to see if this really drains my battery quicker or not.
But all of you guys think that it's bug in the icons then?
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I've seen in some threads that when your icon stays as an H that you are in an HSUPA enabled area. As I don't seem to live in one I couldn't tell you for sure.
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I've never heard that. I always thought 'H' was for HSDPA. I guess they should make it distinguishable from each other like 'Ha' and 'Hu' or something.
Originally Posted by sirooga
I've seen in some threads that when your icon stays as an H that you are in an HSUPA enabled area. As I don't seem to live in one I couldn't tell you for sure.
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Yes...maybe that is close. My observations:
The alpha letter(s) refers to the data connection technology. AT&T Q1-2008 network software upgrades enabled the HSUPA feature. At the same time I also noticed the constant "H". However, I caught it early and depending on where I was, I would observe "3G" (idle) - "H" (active data session) - 3G (idle)...or...constant "H". I asked some AT&T contacts and learned that they were rolling out SW upgrades across the market, over a 2-3 week timeframe.
I now get the constant "H". Same ROM through all of this.
"3G" (data) refers to older R99 technology. "H" refers to HSxPA (high speed packet access). It may be that in upgraded areas, the network now defaults to HSDPA (and eventually HSUPA) data connections if the device supports HSP...and the handset is simply reflecting this. Prior to the SW upgrades, HSP enabled devices were still getting pushed to HSP when the data session went active so there is no real difference in performance.
This "H" business has nothing to do with voice. Voice is always plain old UMTS WCDMA.
My point is that I don't think it is an issue with some ROMs. Can't really say that I have noticed any difference in battery life either.
as stated above, when I first got my phone I was getting 3g and H during download and as of late its been an H everywhere, I flashed to dutty's 6.1 rom and everything went back to 3g it dosent even give an H during download.
Might be network specific. I've tried so many roms (on TYTN II) and it has always acted that way where it shows 3g or H from time to time although sometimes it would go down to "G"
I have had the same thing on my kaiser on T-Mobile in the UK, both using the original WM6 rom and that of Dutty (6.1). But it only happens where I live! In most parts of the country, it reverts to 3G. But where I live (North London), it stays constantly on H, irrespective of the rom and the radio used. This started maybe thre months ago. Before that, it would revert to 3G. Any idea?
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as stated above, when I first got my phone I was getting 3g and H during download and as of late its been an H everywhere, I flashed to dutty's 6.1 rom and everything went back to 3g it dosent even give an H during download.
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That only happens I think when you have HSDPA turned off. Did you check to see if it was on?
FWIW...
I just flashed to Official *TEST* ATT Build 6.1 AKU 1.0.2 Build 19209. Default icon behavior was constant "3G" after flash. I enabled HSDPA via Kaiser Tweak and icon behavior changed to constant "H". Speed tests report 875 kbps (or so) regardless of HSDPA setting via Kaiser Tweak. Toggling HSDPA on/off via Kaiser Tweak does not appear to change radio performance and speed test results. It only changes icon behavior. The radio is always operating in HSDPA mode, irrespective of icon indication.
YMMV
Im using Dutty WM 6.1. On my Tilt, H only shows up when I have an active data. It reverts back to 3g when there is no data connection or not active data
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I have had the same thing on my kaiser on T-Mobile in the UK, both using the original WM6 rom and that of Dutty (6.1). But it only happens where I live! In most parts of the country, it reverts to 3G. But where I live (North London), it stays constantly on H, irrespective of the rom and the radio used. This started maybe thre months ago. Before that, it would revert to 3G. Any idea?
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It seems as if its related to network dependant than the rom itself as i use to get 3g on and off and revert to H but now its constant H and that started around 3-4 months as well location U.K LONDON
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Im using Dutty WM 6.1. On my Tilt, H only shows up when I have an active data. It reverts back to 3g when there is no data connection or not active data
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What radio are you using and which dutty 6.1? I have used all the 6.1 (currently using dutty 6.1 rtm of april 1) and they all have just shown the H regardless of active data or not..Similar to the other poster with a constant H or 3g
Okay, never mind, Dutty answered...But my Athena (and also my Hermes) still changes from 3g to H and back to 3g..Just my tilt stays on H.
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When I first started using my Tilt, it would switch back and forth between 3G and H icons depending on the network. For the last 4 months, it has remained on H the whole time.
I use KaiserTweak to auto disconnect HSDPA/3G after 1 minute of inactivity, so regardless of the icon being displayed, I have no adverse effects on my battery life.
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Hey Bro, I was doing the same thing with KaiserTweak; and I ran into my tilt not being able to simultaneously do data and voice when I selected anything other than: Disabled (Default)
I use Wayfinder and Google maps while driving and often talk on the phone while needing to download data such as map data.
I raised the question in another thread and a another member pointed out the bug in KaiserTweak.
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What radio are you using and which dutty 6.1? I have used all the 6.1 (currently using dutty 6.1 rtm of april 1) and they all have just shown the H regardless of active data or not..Similar to the other poster with a constant H or 3g
Okay, never mind, Dutty answered...But my Athena (and also my Hermes) still changes from 3g to H and back to 3g..Just my tilt stays on H.
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I was using the same rom as you were and the NIKI radio (1.58.21.23 ). Just this morning I loaded the new Dutty rom with radio 1.58.16.27...H is shown with active data and 3g is shown with no data or not active....my location ROCKLIN CA.
Well I have just upgraded my Vodafone UK V1615 to the new official Vodafone release of Mobile 6.1, before that I had WM version 6.0.
Before the upgrade my icon like many here would stay as H in HSDPA enabled areas and then change to 3g or even G in other areas, regardless of whether I had a data connection or not. Now since the upgrade the strange thing is it varies between G and 3G but does not, ever, go to H. I am absolutely certain that I have HSDPA enabled on the phone.
The funny thing is that when I am work which is definitely an area where HSDPA is constant it still reports 3G but when I run a test it downloads at 1350kbps which is definitely HSDPA. Go figure. This rom has only been out a couple of days so it may be a bug. Be interesting to see if anyone else reports this problem, or it may be deliberate because 3g is more familiar to users here in the UK then HSDPA - maybe its to do with marketing!
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Barney
Hi there,
I'm using Revolution HD 3.6.1 with its radio and relative RIL (which becomes with the rom by default). Obviously I have S-OFFed and rooted.
I'm experiencing some hiccups in 3G data connections. I don't know if it's due to the carrier (Wind Italia) or something in the phone (maybe the radio doesn't support it at all?). I'm in Europe, precisely in Italy.
Maybe should use an european version of radio? Or what?
In detail:
I activate data connection. The phone shows 3G before, and quickly goes in H (HDSPA). Then I use many apps that needs internet connection. Within a short time it goes again in 3G and i have absolutely NO data connections. After a delay of 5-10 sec it goes again in HDSPA and everything works. When it goes again in 3G i have no data, then again H and data working.
What's the problem?
EDIT: Problem solved! See in this post.
P.s.: Sorry for my bad english
I was going to ask about something similar to this, so rather than start a thread I will post it here. I too am running the 3.6.1 with its radio, S-OFF, & rooted.
What I am seeing on boot up is the standard progressive upgrades of data networks (just bars, then 2G, then 3G, finally H). The H only stays for a few seconds then drops to 3G and basically stays like that. However, as soon as I open an internet requiring application, it jumps to show H and typically stays that way as long as a data connection is active. My Speed Test results show its 4G speeds (same as stock ROM and radio) when its showing the H, so obviously its working, I'm just wondering if its intentional that the display only shows 3G? Or maybe its set so the ROM "relaxes" on 3G, but switches to 4G when data is actually being sent/received?
~T.J.
Maybe you used to have a 'background' app updating constantly.
The G, 3G and H usually depends on the signal in your area, the H is usually for high data transfer. If you're not using the internet,downloading anything or updating anything on your phone, then why would you need it on all the time?
3g is usually the norm, so I wouldn't worry!
For my issue, my stock ROM showed me what was available in the areas as I moved around, including showing 4G all the time if I was in a coverage area (which pretty much everywhere around me is). If I moved out of the 4G area for instance, it would drop to show me 3G.
This one just shows 3G all the time, even when I'm in areas I KNOW are 4G; UNTIL I use the data connection, then it switches and shows the H. I know its silly, but I liked actually gauging my providers service by being able to see what kinds of connections were available in various areas.
The fact I have to actually open the browser or run a speed test to see if 4G (H in this case) is available in that area is a little odd to me, why doesn't it just show the connection that's available?
~T.J.
Guys, I found a solution to my problem, googling around. That's awesome.
FYI I'll post here:
1. dial *#*#4636#*#*
2. Go to phone information
3. Toggle ciphering so it's off
4. Turn off radio
5. Turn on radio
6. Toggle ciphering back on
It seems to be working to me. An half hour without hiccups till now.
I have had this problem ever since my hd2 two years ago. I thought it was normal. I'm about to try the fix. If it fixes it you are a life saver.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Aww man same thing. Maybe its supposed to be like this.
Basically for me its for example on the xda app when ill refresh something it will always say processing as soon as the 3g symbol turns to h with both arrows on simutaneously.
Maybe that's how its supposed to be idk.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Glad its not only me!!!! This is a problem. I am in the U.S and i have it also. Ive been trying to figure it out. I have radio 10.15.9035.2_2 and bricked kernel 1.2 i can not figure out if this started happening from when i flashed the lastest radio or when i went with bricked kernel above 0.91 i am still trying to figure it out. *#*# 4636#*#* is only a brief temp fix i know that much. But lets try and put our heads together and get to the bottom of it. Cause its been slowly pissing me off daily. Let me know what you guys hear. And i will keep you updated as well. Please pm me if you here anything on the issue. Thanks!!!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
Xx12thANG3LxX said:
Glad its not only me!!!! This is a problem. I am in the U.S and i have it also. Ive been trying to figure it out. I have radio 10.15.9035.2_2 and bricked kernel 1.2 i can not figure out if this started happening from when i flashed the lastest radio or when i went with bricked kernel above 0.91 i am still trying to figure it out. *#*# 4636#*#* is only a brief temp fix i know that much. But lets try and put our heads together and get to the bottom of it. Cause its been slowly pissing me off daily. Let me know what you guys hear. And i will keep you updated as well. Please pm me if you here anything on the issue. Thanks!!!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
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Only a brief temp fix? Are you sure?
I'm not having the same problem as before, now. I hope it remains still as it is.
Hi all
I have an annoying problem with my sensation, well i say annoying its more frustrating.
I noticed when i look at my phone the 3G symbol is next to the upload and download arrows, when i click on a web page it pauses for about 5-10 seconds and then changes to a H symbol and away it goes.
I understand what it all means that H stands for HSDPA and its faster etc.
The problem is this, my wife had a HTC wildfire and my Mate has a HTC Desire and were all on the three network, so tonight when we were ll together mine was the only phone showing the 3G symbol both of theirs was showing the H constantly and was quicker of the mark when we compared speeds on the net.
anyone any ideas why i have the 3G symbol showing when the other 2 on the same network have the H symbol?
Thanks all
Chris
chrisnewton said:
Hi all
I have an annoying problem with my sensation, well i say annoying its more frustrating.
I noticed when i look at my phone the 3G symbol is next to the upload and download arrows, when i click on a web page it pauses for about 5-10 seconds and then changes to a H symbol and away it goes.
I understand what it all means that H stands for HSDPA and its faster etc.
The problem is this, my wife had a HTC wildfire and my Mate has a HTC Desire and were all on the three network, so tonight when we were ll together mine was the only phone showing the 3G symbol both of theirs was showing the H constantly and was quicker of the mark when we compared speeds on the net.
anyone any ideas why i have the 3G symbol showing when the other 2 on the same network have the H symbol?
Thanks all
Chris
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Each HTC device most likely have different radios, whereas you will get different speeds.
would you not think the sensation would have the best radio? with it being the better phone??
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would you not think the sensation would have the best radio? with it being the better phone??
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That's subjective. That's why there are so many various radios available here to try, depending on where you are.
I mean, at home, my Nexus One gets better reception than my Senny.
Just a quiick update, i have restarted my sensation by holding down the button etc and since then its had a constant H symbol. Can this be a fault of the phone do you think? does anyone else get the 3g symbol on there phone?
Thanks again
Chris
chrisnewton said:
Just a quiick update, i have restarted my sensation by holding down the button etc and since then its had a constant H symbol. Can this be a fault of the phone do you think? does anyone else get the 3g symbol on there phone?
Thanks again
Chris
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Right now I have the 3G symbol as we speak, as soon as i hit the submit button I will get the H icon.
Edit: and it did.
Still my Sensation might not be as fast as previous phone which was and LG G2x and it would constantly beat my Sensation when it came to speed test but what I can assure you is that I can now watch HD videos streaming off YouTube without constantly buffering like my previous.
I look for reliability and real world experience more than numbers, statistics and benchmarks.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Thanks for your reply, do you get an annoying little pause when it goes between 3G and h sometimes?
I have the same problem.
I had it also in my previous smartphone, HTC Desire.
I tried to change my SIM with another (different carrier), and the other SIM went perfectly on constant HDSPA.
If I put another SIM which has the same carrier (I have Wind) it will have the "3G-standby" problem.
I haven't tried to put my SIM on another smartphone (not HTC), so I don't know if it's an HTC-specific problem.
I've ever wanted to figure out the problem and searched everywhere for a solution, but nothing. I've tried thousands of tweaks, hacks and speed improvement guides, but none of these solved the problem.
Which carrier have you got, and where do you live in?
EDIT: Oh, and I have the same problem with every radios, so I think it doesn't matter.
This isn't a bug it's a feature... Depending on the rom, typically the phone switch from H to 3G when no data is being transferred.
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This isn't a bug it's a feature... Depending on the rom, typically the phone switch from H to 3G when no data is being transferred.
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I doubt it, if i put another SIM in the sensation, it will show H icon everytime.
By the way, you know how to disable this feature?
yea i doubt its a feature too as since i have restarted the phone i have nothing but H symbol.
I am on the 3 network and in the UK
Not 100% sure, but think it maybe a feature in that when signal strength is low it drops to 3g when idle to conserve power as hspda uses a lot of juice in poor signal conditions. There are lines in build prop starting ro.rill which can be changed to alter your H and 3g and g values. Did it on my X10 a year ago following a guide on here.
ro.ril.enable.3g.prefix=0
ro.ril.enable.dtm = 0
ro.ril.gprsclass = 12
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 10
ro.ril.hsupa.category = 6
ro.ril.hsxpa = 3
ro.ril.enable.ganlite = 1
These are my values on my sensation xe, running aosp rom, and I don't see 3g very often. Take a back up and give it a try, don't forget to reboot after applying new values to see if it works. If no change or worse, then just restore your backup file.
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Not 100% sure, but think it maybe a feature in that when signal strength is low it drops to 3g when idle to conserve power as hspda uses a lot of juice in poor signal conditions. There are lines in build prop starting ro.rill which can be changed to alter your H and 3g and g values. Did it on my X10 a year ago following a guide on here.
ro.ril.enable.3g.prefix=0
ro.ril.enable.dtm = 0
ro.ril.gprsclass = 12
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 10
ro.ril.hsupa.category = 6
ro.ril.hsxpa = 3
ro.ril.enable.ganlite = 1
These are my values on my sensation xe, running aosp rom, and I don't see 3g very often. Take a back up and give it a try, don't forget to reboot after applying new values to see if it works. If no change or worse, then just restore your backup file.
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I will try. Thanks.
What are that variables referring to? Are there a guide explaining that?
(many thanks)
I tried editing build.prop like that, but it didn't solve anything.
Maybe here I should increase or decrease some values. But I don't know which variables should edit to.
Cincinnati Bell 4G vs T-Mobile
I bought an unlocked HTC Sensation made for Cincinnati Bell about 3 weeks ago. Since day one, I could only connect to T-Mobile 3G network. Occasionally, the H symbol showed up, but it was very rare.
Called T-Mobile, they asked me to come in to one of their stores to swap a new SIM. In addition, they reset the network service on my account and confirmed that their computers showed that I'm in a very strong 4G network. Still, I could only connect at 3G.
Finally, called HTC. After asking me for the IMEI, the HTC rep. told me that the Sensation 4G's made for Cincinnati Bell have different frequencies. That's why it could not connect to T-Mobile 4G network.
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I bought an unlocked HTC Sensation made for Cincinnati Bell about 3 weeks ago. Since day one, I could only connect to T-Mobile 3G network. Occasionally, the H symbol showed up, but it was very rare.
Called T-Mobile, they asked me to come in to one of their stores to swap a new SIM. In addition, they reset the network service on my account and confirmed that their computers showed that I'm in a very strong 4G network. Still, I could only connect at 3G.
Finally, called HTC. After asking me for the IMEI, the HTC rep. told me that the Sensation 4G's made for Cincinnati Bell have different frequencies. That's why it could not connect to T-Mobile 4G network.
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So, with your Cincinnati Bell you could only connect on T-Mobile 3G network? Is that roaming?
If that, I think you're not talking of the same issue on switching between 3G-HDSPA.
I noticed that a lot of the time my SIM network is constantly switching between 3G and H.
I've got the latest Bugless Beast installed, along with Simple kernel 1.20.
Sounds like a radio deal. When idling, it should be on 3G. When data is being transferred, it'll switch over to H.
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Sounds like a radio deal. When idling, it should be on 3G. When data is being transferred, it'll switch over to H.
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So how do I fix it? Do I have to flash another radio, is that it? If so, where can I get those?
Never messed with the radios, so I don't even know what to search for...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116884
Make sure you follow directions and flash the appropriate one for your carrier. I've never had an issue like yours so I can't say for sure if this will solve it.
Sent by pocket technology.
My understanding is that this is completely normal and working as it should.
The changing between 3g and H icons is not an indication of switching networks but just letting you know that data is flowing to and/or from your device.
i.e. when your 3G/HSPA data is idle your device will indicate "3G" and switch to "H" when it's in use.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium
I've found this in an other topic:
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Switching between 3G and H is a feature of CM. It saves on battery as a 4G signal uses up more juice than 3G. You automatically switch to H when you need a faster connection but then will change back to 3G when you don't.
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My data keeps cycling from HSPA+ to HSPA to 3G which has been happening on all my roms. i dont understand why it does this. I have had many HTC devices and never had this issue. and coming from a Nexus. i dont get why it constantly does this. can someone help me out?
ElChibo said:
My data keeps cycling from HSPA+ to HSPA to 3G which has been happening on all my roms. i dont understand why it does this. I have had many HTC devices and never had this issue. and coming from a Nexus. i dont get why it constantly does this. can someone help me out?
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Had this problem back on aosp. Try a sense rom
ElChibo said:
My data keeps cycling from HSPA+ to HSPA to 3G which has been happening on all my roms. i dont understand why it does this. I have had many HTC devices and never had this issue. and coming from a Nexus. i dont get why it constantly does this. can someone help me out?
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This is completely normal. AOSP displays what is actually happening with your phone. Even on a sense rom your phone is still switching between 3g, H, H+, etc, however AT&T just labels them all under one 4g icon. I haven't been on any sense ROM since AOSP was available for our device, so I am unsure what kind of reporting sense does, but if it is one static icon, it is false.
I don't remember when AOSP began doing it this way, but I will take true reporting rather than false any day.
From my own observations, your phone will show 3g until you start using any data, then AT&T instantly switches you to H for the actual download.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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This is completely normal. AOSP displays what is actually happening with your phone. Even on a sense rom your phone is still switching between 3g, H, H+, etc, however AT&T just labels them all under one 4g icon. I haven't been on any sense ROM since AOSP was available for our device, so I am unsure what kind of reporting sense does, but if it is one static icon, it is false.
I don't remember when AOSP began doing it this way, but I will take true reporting rather than false any day.
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Lol. It shouldn't be constantly showing me 3G then H then H+. AOSP never did that on any other device. eh. It doesn't bother me anymore because its not causing battery drain.. as much as i thought it was.
ElChibo said:
Lol. It shouldn't be constantly showing me 3G then H then H+. AOSP never did that on any other device. eh. It doesn't bother me anymore because its not causing battery drain.. as much as i thought it was.
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It's showing in real time the speed you are currently using with 3G being the minimum. When you start using data the increased network speed is detected by the rom and changes the icon based on current use download speeds. This is useful as you can see if you're speed is being limited while you are accessing data. I don't see what coming from a nexus has to do with anything. It's just another useful feature. Yay!