Hello
A couple of questions about how handwriting recognition works for the 10.1:
i) Is it available for all apps, i.e. handwriting recognition can be selected for any app which has keyboard input?
ii) Assuming your handwriting isn't a scrawl, how good is the recognition, (e.g. how does it compare to Windows 7/8 tablets)?
Thanks for any feedback
nomadic11 said:
Hello
A couple of questions about how handwriting recognition works for the 10.1:
i) Is it available for all apps, i.e. handwriitng recognition can be selected for any app which has keyboard input?
ii) Assuming your handwriting isn't a scrawl, how good is the recogition, (e.g. how does it compare to Windows 7/8 tablets)?
Thanks for any feedback
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Yes it can be enabled in any app that support kekeyboard input, and comparing it to other w8/7 tablets i havent tried them but handwriting recognition works perfect, fast and never faild to recognize my writing also i have a bad hand writing
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I can be pretty slack with my handwriting and it works pretty good with a 95% accuracy rate. The 5% it doesn't, I'd have trouble reading if I hadn't wrote it then and there...
This doesn't really help the OP, but I thought I might as well stick my question under the same header.
In the keyboard setting is a tick box for "change to handwriting recognition when Spen is detected" and I'm wondering how it's implemented as I have not noticed anything happening. I always have to change the keyboard manually. Wether I remove the pen or use my spare one. Thanks.
schnurrbidurr said:
This doesn't really help the OP, but I thought I might as well stick my question under the same header.
In the keyboard setting is a tick box for "change to handwriting recognition when Spen is detected" and I'm wondering how it's implemented as I have not noticed anything happening. I always have to change the keyboard manually. Wether I remove the pen or use my spare one. Thanks.
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I've tried and it somewhat works... but with varying results.
It surely doesn't work instantly (as one would expect). That is, if you have your keyboard out and you pull out the pen the keyboard doesn't change automatically and instantly from "typing mode" to "handwriting mode".
In a simple text editor (as Jota text editor) it works this way: if you have the pen out and you tap on the note as to insert new text, the type of keyboard is hw recognition. Then you put the pen in its slot (the keyboard stays out and doesn't change), close the keyboard (the keyboard disappears) re-tap on the note to write something else and the keyboard popping out is now the classical typing keyboard. The reverse also works.
In some other apps this behavior is not replicable. Maybe because these other apps "remember" (in the cache?) the last type of keyboard used and this overwrites Samsung "pen-detection" function.
Anyway there's a wonderful (and genial) app that automatically and instantly changes the keyboard (i.e. from the samsung stock one to another choosen one, i.e. some keyboard more advanced for traditional typing) with the pen's pulled out or in. It's called SPenBoard Switcher. The link is here.
(Unfortunately it's necessary to have a rooted device to install it...)
Thanks for your explanation. I didn't expect it to work instantly, I just never noticed it doing anything at all. But then again, I rarely use the attached pen, but one of those bigger ones. I will definitely give the suggested app a go.
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I have been using Swype keyboard for some time and absolutely love it, but have been annoyed about it not having special letters such as used in Scandinavia.
Then Yesterday I fell over a similar keyboard called SlideIt and that works same way as Swype, it just have support for all European languages plus Arabic and Hebrew, plus you can make abbreviations and as a benefit to all those that don't use WM you can also get it for Android and Symbian.
Price is a reasonable 7.99 USD
You read about here: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/
U are scandiavian? Does the keyboard support ÆØÅ?
Yes, I'm Danish.
Yes, as I wrote then it supports all European languages, you download a language pack of your choice, mine was of course Danish and you can just download the Norwegian language pack and in options you choose the language you want as Primary and which one you want as secondary and voila you have all the special characters for Norway.
The only issue is when you have used Swype for some time is that the buttons are a little smaller, but that only takes a day to get used to.
ok, and it works when u flip the phone to the side?
Have to check out the videos on youtube before i decide...
But if anyone else have used this, i would like to know about the feedback..
Brilliant, abselutly brilliant....
Recommended....
SlideIT is the no.1 keyboard for my/the HD2. Far superior over Swype IMHO.
kuzibri said:
SlideIT is the no.1 keyboard for my/the HD2. Far superior over Swype IMHO.
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After alot of tests, I can only agree
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After alot of tests, I can only agree
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Thanks!!! Certainly the new version kicks the hell out of Swype.
Im Norwegian and have been using SwipeIT since the start. Works fine, but the only issue i have is that it does not work in landscape mode. The keyboard turns all white and the letters are not visible.
Think this is a know'n problem since i have heard some other reports on the same.
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Im Norwegian and have been using SwipeIT since the start. Works fine, but the only issue i have is that it does not work in landscape mode. The keyboard turns all white and the letters are not visible.
Think this is a know'n problem since i have heard some other reports on the same.
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it is fixed in the new version, works like a charm
It is really a great keyboard! One issue I have is that it does not detect text selection in HTC Messaging application. I don't think the problem is with SlideIT since it works fine on another text application like Pocket Notepad, and also Swype does not detect selected text also... So probably a problem with HTC Messaging app text selection method...
Anyway it is a great input method and works very good!
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It is really a great keyboard! One issue I have is that it does not detect text selection in HTC Messaging application. I don't think the problem is with SlideIT since it works fine on another text application like Pocket Notepad, and also Swype does not detect selected text also... So probably a problem with HTC Messaging app text selection method...
Anyway it is a great input method and works very good!
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Double tap selection never works in HTC Messaging. Long press/hold on the word brings up the editing menu. It's stupid, in my view.
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Double tap selection never works in HTC Messaging. Long press/hold on the word brings up the editing menu. It's stupid, in my view.
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Yeah, I know about the long press editing menu. but even if I select a word with the little pointers (or whatever that things are called) SlideIT does not detect it, so I cannot add/edit/remove that word to/from the SlideIT dictionary like the video here: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/Corrections.php
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Yeah, I know about the long press editing menu. but even if I select a word with the little pointers (or whatever that things are called) SlideIT does not detect it, so I cannot add/edit/remove that word to/from the SlideIT dictionary like the video here: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/Corrections.php
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Ah, yes. I guess that is why so many people are disabling HTC Messaging and using the WM default client. It's better in these areas, but it looks like crap.
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Ah, yes. I guess that is why so many people are disabling HTC Messaging and using the WM default client. It's better in these areas, but it looks like crap.
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I agree! The HTC Messaging app has some serious issues that should get fixed. But it also has some nice features and is pretty
Best app i've downloaded so far, i couldn't be happier
Hi all!
Have just installed SlideIT and i think if i give it some time i will use it before the HD2 original one. But, is there some better looking skins for it? Or at least one with slightly bigger buttons?
Have googled it but i can't find anything that points me in any way that says that someone is making or are going make skins for it.
Can it be done?
In PDF User Manual, I read this:
"The user has the option to introduce a large number of new words into the dictionary rapidly or to even use a customized dictionary. To do this, create a file containing the new words on a PC and then move the file to the device. The user must open the file and select all of its content. Next, tap on the indicator ‘+’. The bulk update is then performed. Note that the maximum length of the selected text is 1000 characters."
But which kind of file I've to create, where I've to put it, and how can I access to it from the keyboard ?
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In PDF User Manual, I read this:
"The user has the option to introduce a large number of new words into the dictionary rapidly or to even use a customized dictionary. To do this, create a file containing the new words on a PC and then move the file to the device. The user must open the file and select all of its content. Next, tap on the indicator ‘+’. The bulk update is then performed. Note that the maximum length of the selected text is 1000 characters."
But which kind of file I've to create, where I've to put it, and how can I access to it from the keyboard ?
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You can use an application like Pocket Notepad with a txt file...
Why is it so much better than swype? I have 0 issues most of the time with swype unless im trying to do a lot of mixed numbers/letters...
It would be great to have a possibility to choose one keyboard for portrait mode (for example: swype) and the other for landscape one (for example: htc_ime).
Swype is great in portrait mode, but it sucks in landscape one (too large distances between the letters, swyping is slower than two hands typing, and a 'normal' typing using swype keyboard's layout is not so comfortable).
What do you think? Is it possible? The time to switch between keyboards wouldn't be too large? Memory utilization would be small enough?
Not sure if it is possible but I personally would also like the option to set the default keyboard per applications.
Why stop there? Would be great if there was a way to swipe through different keyboards in any app. Then you could just pick the best one for your current application. Of course the above feature would be great to have included with this.
Maybe some dev will pick up on this. Agree that it would be nice to have.
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Not sure if it is possible but I personally would also like the option to set the default keyboard per applications.
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+1. i would love to use the Graffiti keyboard for some of my medical applications as the swype keyboard is useless when it comes to hunt & peck typing of words that aren't in its dictionary.
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It would be great to have a possibility to choose one keyboard for portrait mode (for example: swype) and the other for landscape one (for example: htc_ime).
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+1!! great idea dude!!
how bout swype on the stock 2.2 keyboard mixed with htc_ime compact qwerty ???? FLAWLESS . "BEST" Keyboard EVER !
but swype + stock 2.2 keyboard,, would be a great thing !
Google get ON THAT ! pls
agreed a mod would finaly help bring the greatness of swype in portrait and HTC_IME in landscape would be amazing...
only issues i see coming from this is how will the OS juggle the two keyboards ?
this makes me jealous of people that have a keyboard android phone.. they can use swype and the default keyboard and not worry about the landscape swype.
It's been asked/suggested many times but it's simply not possible.
In Android, you cannot change input method (keyboard) without user interaction for security reasons. Think about it this way; would you want a malicious app that mimics the exact look/functionality of your keyboard, except that it logs/steals your every keystroke and is automatically enabled as the input method without you knowing it?
The security is in place to prevent that exact type of situation.
Minor correction/clarification. A third party app cannot switch input method automatically. Which means, creating an app to let you customize what keyboard to use in what orientation/app/etc simply cannot happen. A keyboard can, however, programmatically switch itself to another keyboard on a given event. The only way this could ever happen would be for both keyboards you wanted to use to have this functionality built into it (ie, htc_ime keyboard knows to switch to swype when going from landscape to portrait and swype switches back to htc_ime in the opposite). Given that these are both closed source keyboards (granted, htc_ime mod rocks) this will likely never happen unless the developers themselves were to do it (especially since we can't post swype apk's anywhere).
From: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/inputmethod/InputMethodManager.html
A client application can ask that the system let the user pick a new IME, but can not programmatically switch to one itself. This avoids malicious applications from switching the user to their own IME, which remains running when the user navigates away to another application. An IME, on the other hand, is allowed to programmatically switch the system to another IME, since it already has full control of user input.
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Is it impossible even on a rooted phone?
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Is it impossible even on a rooted phone?
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Unless you are running a custom Rom that specifically removes or bypasses that type of security (which would be foolish IMO) then the exact same restrictions from my previous post apply. It would take some serious core changes for this to ever be possible.
I know it isn't exactly what people are requesting, but what about a shortcut it widget that brings up the manual keyboard selection dialog? You could then map that to the long press search action our something similar. Maybe have it stay resident in the notification area so you can change keyboards on the fly without having to be in a text dialog. My main use to switch is when I am in a terminal window, which requires me to close out and bring up the search dialog, long press, change input methods, go back to the terminal... Pain in the ass, since Swype can't delete in a Connectbot shell one typo means going through that process to switch to Better Keyboard so I can complete my task.
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I know it isn't exactly what people are requesting, but what about a shortcut it widget that brings up the manual keyboard selection dialog? You could then map that to the long press search action our something similar. Maybe have it stay resident in the notification area so you can change keyboards on the fly without having to be in a text dialog. My main use to switch is when I am in a terminal window, which requires me to close out and bring up the search dialog, long press, change input methods, go back to the terminal... Pain in the ass, since Swype can't delete in a Connectbot shell one typo means going through that process to switch to Better Keyboard so I can complete my task.
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This is possible. A third party app can trigger the choose IME dialog to pop up. I'll try to throw something together this afternoon. You could then use an app like bartender, quickdesk, etc to setup easy access to it.
Hi all,
when using my TF with dock I bumped into a problem - the keyboard dock does not work well with 3rd party input methods (e.g. Go keyboard thumb layout). I was looking for an app or some other way to auto-switch current input method when docking/undocking.
When searching and googling I found a guide to auto-display input method chooser dialog when docked/undocked (Here).
Another related guide was about re-mapping keys on the dock keyboard (Here)
Well, my aim is to create an overall keyboard utility that would enable easy keyboard auto-switching and possibly re-mapping less useful keys (e.g. brightness) to something more practical.
I've started working on the application (well, spent a few hours over two evenings ), at the moment it is very simplistic. I just replicates the behavior from the Tasker guide, so that it shows the input method chooser dialog after docking and undocking (plus a config to enable/disable this). I did not want to purchase Tasker just for this.
I know that it is an intentional android security measure that apps cannot switch input methods at will, but if someone has an idea how to overcome this (for rooted devices), please, let me know.
Anyway, here is an initial version. Hopefully, someone else besides me will find it useful. Any comments, suggestions highly appreciated!
Thanks for the effort.
I consider this app as very useful. Unfortunately I cannot help you developing because I'm just a user but again the idea is great.
Regards
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I use tasker and confirm this works the same.
Your app does have 1 big advantage over tasker. With tasker everytime I close the tab&dock into their clamshell shape, when I unfold them and the screen turns on, tasker makes the pop up come on even though I did not undock the tab.
Your app does not do this which is great
good work, much appreciated!
Wow, this is awesome! The only thing that would make it better is the ability to switch input methods automatically without the pop-up. However - it is no problem to use the app as it is now. Great work!
OK, downloaded, installed and tested... awesome ! You just took my TF one step further on the way of perfection !
Very good idea, it's working great. SwiftKey tablet x is even better thanks to your simple app. Thanks!
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Awesome - thanks!
what an usefull app!i wonder if exists anything similar before....+1 for this little but awesome work mate!!
Brilliant! Now can you make an option to allow it to auto switch between says Asus keyboard layout when docked and Thumbs keyboard when undocked pretty please?
I've found that the keyboard choice dialog does come up when (un)undocking, but that it's "dead" (it ignores selections - NOTHING happens) - I have to tap outside the dialog to make it disappear, and then bring up the dialog "manually" via the settings menu.
Any solution?
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I've found that the keyboard choice dialog does come up when (un)undocking, but that it's "dead" (it ignores selections - NOTHING happens) - I have to tap outside the dialog to make it disappear, and then bring up the dialog "manually" via the settings menu.
Any solution?
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I have same "problem", but I just wait one minute and dialog unfreeze.
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both of you, check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118164
using autostarts you can disable that pop up.
using the guide in this thread i remapped my dock keyboard so that i could use whatever soft keyboard i wanted ( i use smart keyboard pro) and the dock keys wouldnt change.
my problem was that the only way i could get the @ key on the dock keyboard to work was with the standard asus keyboard chosen on the tablet, any other soft keyboard and the @ key wouldnt work.
all solved now though!!
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Sigismund83 said:
Hi all,
when using my TF with dock I bumped into a problem - the keyboard dock does not work well with 3rd party input methods (e.g. Go keyboard thumb layout). I was looking for an app or some other way to auto-switch current input method when docking/undocking.
When searching and googling I found a guide to auto-display input method chooser dialog when docked/undocked (Here).
Another related guide was about re-mapping keys on the dock keyboard (Here)
Well, my aim is to create an overall keyboard utility that would enable easy keyboard auto-switching and possibly re-mapping less useful keys (e.g. brightness) to something more practical.
I've started working on the application (well, spent a few hours over two evenings ), at the moment it is very simplistic. I just replicates the behavior from the Tasker guide, so that it shows the input method chooser dialog after docking and undocking (plus a config to enable/disable this). I did not want to purchase Tasker just for this.
I know that it is an intentional android security measure that apps cannot switch input methods at will, but if someone has an idea how to overcome this (for rooted devices), please, let me know.
Anyway, here is an initial version. Hopefully, someone else besides me will find it useful. Any comments, suggestions highly appreciated!
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solved already!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118164
turn off the pop op using autostarts
remap the keys however you wish.
Ok, help here, please..
I am lost in all these threads and guides and what not..
What I need is: how to make dock type in Cyrillic Serbian, like the on screen keyboard? I do not need the automatic change of KB, I just need the possibility to type in Cyrillic. When I select serbian, dock stays US and onscreen is changed only..
When you do the remapping from the already mentioned thread, is it possible after that to change to US easily?
Thanx
No pop-up?
Any luck updating this app so that there are two more selections in the configuration screen?
Soft Keyboard when undocked
Soft Keyboard when docked
Then when docking / undocking don't present a user prompt but just change to the selected keyboard?
Thanks!
Great idea! If you could add an option To remember the selection it would be perfect! Anyway GREAT WORK!!!
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Any luck updating this app so that there are two more selections in the configuration screen?
Soft Keyboard when undocked
Soft Keyboard when docked
Then when docking / undocking don't present a user prompt but just change to the selected keyboard?
Thanks!
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I would love this.
Hey Guys, I have been trying to find the perfect tablet for a while now and I thought the note might be it but something I tried at best buy yesterday did not work and I was hoping someone who has the tablet might try it out for me. My specific use for the tablet would be to take it on sales calls and use my very primitive excel order form. All I need it to do is be able to put a 1 or an x in a cell. I tried this with polaris with the pen and it would not write in the cell. Was it a setting I didn't see or does it just not work that way. I've used the transformer prime for work with this order form with the on screen keyboard but I just thought I could be faster writing with the pen. The other advantage is that I could see more of the screen If I didn't have the keyboard pop up.
Thanks for checking this out for me If you can....
Have you got an example of the sheet or are you just asking if you can place an X in a cell?
Happy to test for you if you provide a bit more detail or a sample sheet for specific testing.
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Have you got an example of the sheet or are you just asking if you can place an X in a cell?
Happy to test for you if you provide a bit more detail or a sample sheet for specific testing.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I am just asking If you go into polaris open up a new spreadsheet and see if you could write with the pen in the cell. For my purposes all I need to put in there is either a one or an x. Thanks again...
Just checked, all you need to do is double tap using the s pen in the cell you want to edit and the keyboard pops up, you then enter your 1 or X using the keyboard.
Edit: If you want to enter the X using handwriting recognition, its the same principal but you just need to have the keyboard in handwriting mode, you set this by keeping your finger on the setting button to the left of the space bar and slide it to the T icon that has a pen next to it. Once set, you can use the pen using your handwriting by writing in the panel that pops up at the bottom. The recognition is awesome.
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Just checked, all you need to do is double tap using the s pen in the cell you want to edit and the keyboard pops up, you then enter your 1 or X using the keyboard.
Edit: If you want to enter the X using handwriting recognition, its the same principal but you just need to have the keyboard in handwriting mode, you set this by keeping your finger on the setting button to the left of the space bar and slide it to the T icon that has a pen next to it. Once set, you can use the pen using your handwriting by writing in the panel that pops up at the bottom. The recognition is awesome.
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Thanks so much for this, obviously never using the pen before wouldn't know how to get into handwriting mode. One last question if you don't mind, I have had better luck with documents to go than polaris in the past, will the pen work with any app like you're saying or is it just for the built in ones.
The handwriting input panel will work with any App that allows text input as it is brought up as a keyboard option and you can switch between keyboard, handwriting input or voice input using the method described earlier.
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The handwriting input panel will work with any App that allows text input as it is brought up as a keyboard option and you can switch between keyboard, handwriting input or voice input using the method described earlier.
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That is phenomenal, thanks so much. Who knew I would get all my answers before 7 am. I hope my tablet quest is over for now, although I am like a lot of you guys on here I will never be satisfied and always have to move on to the next great gadget
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That is phenomenal, thanks so much. Who knew I would get all my answers before 7 am. I hope my tablet quest is over for now, although I am like a lot of you guys on here I will never be satisfied and always have to move on to the next great gadget
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Glad to have been able to help, like you, I just couldn't resist buying the tab on launch day because of my hunger for new tech even at the expense of not having 3g and larger storage. I convinced myself that I will not use it for calling and can use skype or tango if needed or can use my handset to tether when required also the fact that it has an sd card slot, space will not be an issue!
hello, how come swipe does not work for symbolic and numeric keys?
I also found that swpie does not work when running two apps side by side. Is this a bug?
Which two apps, which one is active and what style of keyboard are you using at the time?
As for symbols, I've never done swiping when using symbols so I have no idea. My first reaction to your initial question was "Is swipe using symbols even supposed to work at all? Given that swipe is a form of predictive text input how would the keyboard predict anything if you're not spelling words since it's all symbols?"
I can't use Swpie on numeric keys as well. Why swipe needs to be predictive? I use Samsung's virtual keyboard which came with the Note Pro? I don't remember the two apps. Will let you know latter.
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I can't use Swpie on numeric keys as well. Why swipe needs to be predictive? I use Samsung's virtual keyboard which came with the Note Pro? I don't remember the two apps. Will let you know latter.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here because I primarily use stock keyboards on my Nexus 4 and this tablet. It's been a few months since I've used other keyboards such as Swiftkey which also supports swipe input . . . In any event my understanding of swipe input based on the keyboards that I have used is this: the keyboard application analyzes the locations that your finger is stopping at and the directions in which your finger moves from each stopping point in order to predict the word that you are attempting to spell. The word that you are attempting to spell has to be in the dictionary of the language you have the keyboard application set to. If it isn't, the keyboard will not recognize the word and will therefore not predict it.
As an example; on both my phone and my Note Pro I have the keyboard language is set to English US. If I attempt to swipe the letters X-Y-L-E-C on the keyboard, which is just jibberish and not a real word in the english dictionary, the keyboard will not recognize this swipe pattern as a word and will attempt to predict something completely different (my tablet writes the word "clef" instead).
So what I'm saying is, how would the keyboard application know to string together a particular order of special characters?
Your answer is likely to be that it should know based upon where you pause with your fingers and you're right except that this isn't exactly how swipe was designed. Swipe is meant to allow you to minimize how long you need to pause. If you start at the letter T, swipe down rapidly to H and rapidly change direction towards E you need not stop exactly on the E key in order to have the keyboard predict the word "THE".
Thanks. I am using the stock Samsung virtual keyboard (US English) that came with the PRO 12.2. Trying to input things like muzzy996 using swipe does not work.
Yeah, it's working as intended.
What irritates me about the stock keyboard is unlike Swiftkey it does not seem to allow for addition of a word into the dictionary easily and there is no obvious way to manage the dictionary.
This is really bothersome for me because in my writing for work I often use technical terms that are not in the default dictionary and I use these terms frequently in documents or emails. The predictive nature of the keyboard does not seem to learn my frequently typed words well at all.
I've just switched back to Swiftkey and will probably try using that for a bit to see if I like it more than the stock keyboard.
Which version of SwiftKey of you use? Mine is SwiftKey Tablet 4.4.6.275. Swipe (called flow in SwiftKey) does not work. It seems that they have version 4. Worth to upgrade?
I was using version 4.4.6.275. I believe they unified versions now, I'm not using the one for tablets (which I believe is now marked as legacy in the play store). In any case I have switched back to stock. SwiftKey is buggy when multi window is used. Often times the keyboard vanishes when typing in a window. Hopefully they fix this but I'm not sure when they will, I see posts about it in their support website that are a few months old.
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