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Post Your N4 Protection Setup

About Thread:
This is a thread for Nexus 4 owners to post their screen protector/case combo. It's a place for reviews of each product and for you to (hopefully) find the best products to protect your Nexus 4. Please post pictures, links to buy product, and a short review or some thoughts about that particular product.
Response Template:
Picture: Multiple visews would be ideal.
Case: How well does it fit? Does it cover anything? Please link it to it's amazon page or the product's homepage.
Screen Protector: Is it cut short? How long did it take to put on? Please link it to it's amazon page or the product's homepage.
Damage: Have you dropped your phone? Is there a scratch/crack/etc?
Other: Do you use anything else to protect your phone(i.e. pouch)?
Notes:
Please try to leave links to amazon/official website of each product. Please leave a picture for your setup. And tell us if you'd recommend each product. Thanks

Case:Rearth Ringke SLIM - Matte Black (Revised 2.0)
Screen Protector: N/A.
Current damages: N/A... back completely unscratched. Chrome has no damages. Never dropped.

Diztronic matte black TPU case and Black Mofi 5XL Pouch

Case: N/A
Screen Protector: Xtremeguard

Matte Black Diztronic TPU Case, Black Microfiber Pouch(Soon to be Mofi), and factory screen protector(Ordering SGP this week)

Official Bumper
BSE body protector
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screen protector: BSE full body
case: s line case
damage:none never even dropped it

Case: Bumper
Screen Protector: None
Tried Skinomi and Spigen screen protectors. Both sucked. The back of my phone already is scratched so I don't really care unless the glass cracks. Before the 1 year is up, I will probably get it switched out because I have Bluetooth issues (regardless of ROM)
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ptrm2 said:
screen protector: BSE full body
case: s line case
damage:none never even dropped it
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M0D3RNAFR0 said:
Official Bumper
BSE body protector
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How well do the Best Skin Ever skins fit?
How are they with cases?
Can you upload a pic. I'm still undecided on what screen protector to use. Thanks in advance.

Official bumper until I get ringke slim.
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Official bumper until I get ringke slim.
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I was actually debating vice versa just to try out the bumper because I would like the show off the back but I really love the ringke slim especially with the revised one. feels so good in hands. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046888 wouldn't mind that though

I thought this was gonna be a pics thread. add pics people! its just more fun to read with pics lol
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zephiK said:
I was actually debating vice versa just to try out the bumper because I would like the show off the back but I really love the ringke slim especially with the revised one. feels so good in hands. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046888 wouldn't mind that though
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I have both and I am using the ringke slim,the bumper makes the phone uncomfortable while writing.

Case: TPU-S Line http://www.ebay.com/itm/160921621336?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Doesn't fit well. Messed up with the front screen protector.
Screen Protector: Skinomi FullBody http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009W6C4FW/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00
I only use the back
Damage: None
Other: Waiting for a good flip case to surface.

zaki67 said:
I have both and I am using the ringke slim,the bumper makes the phone uncomfortable while writing.
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Good to know. Only reason why I'm kinda eager for the bumper is because it reveals the back but I guess I'll just save my ~$27. The design of it looks amazing with the buttons, maybe one day it'll be cheaper or something, I doubt it but oh well. $10 for a ringke slim was definitely worth it.

Fully naked with a Mofi pouch
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When my Nex 4 Arrives I think I'll be getting the XGear Fantom 4 (tempered glass) Screen protector and the Poetic Atmosphere case.

got myself SGP dual ultra clear screen protectors (front & back) + Diztronic Black + Poetic Bumper.
either will be worn depending on the occasion (friends & family = bumper, professional = diztronic)

ssskom said:
got myself SGP dual ultra clear screen protectors (front & back) + Diztronic Black + Poetic Bumper.
either will be worn depending on the occasion (friends & family = bumper, professional = diztronic)
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How does the back protector do with your diztronic case?

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How does the back protector do with your diztronic case?
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pretty good I would say. The Diztronic has a non-plasticky surface on the inner side of the case..so the protector wont stick on the case.
Also, the front protector is almost spot on with the edges of the case. I love this setup...looks minimalistically professional (if thats even a word! :laugh
Im going to have a hard time choosing between the two (poetic bumper)

Cruzerlite Bugdroid Circuit Written+Video Review

$12.99- Cruzerlite Bugdroid Case
This case is $12.90 and comes in many colors: smoke, red, pink, orange, blue, purple, teal, green, clear, and black. If you want to check the cases out go ahead and check the description for a link to Amazon.
Design
The first thing I noticed about this case is that installation is a breeze. The back has a nice modern design. Side by side the Diztronic TPU, the Cruzerlite looks much classier. The grey case and black phone gives you a nice contrast, especially with the silver buttons.
On the back we see a grey color, transparent “circuits”, and Cruzerlite branding. On the top we see a cut out for the 8 megapixel camera and on the bottom we see a cut out for the speakers. The Nexus logo and LG are both noticeable through the back of the case.
One of my favorite features is that it won’t attract any pocket lint and you can wipe away any residue. The case is a little slippery in the hand, but it isn’t too noticeable.
Protection
One of the benefits to the Cruzerlite case is that it has a lip, which protects the display from damage when placed or dropped face first. This case won’t protect the Nexus 4 from big drops, but it’s shock absorbent and will protect from minor nicks and bumps.
Final Verdict
The final veridct is that for $12.90 this is one of the best TPUs on the market. The modern unique design gives it a much better look than other competing cases and the grippy back is definitely a plus. With tons of different colors to choose from, you can’t go wrong with the Cruzerlite Bugdroid case. However, if this case isn’t for you, be sure to check out my reviews of the Poetic Atmosphere and Diztronic TPU.

Is the entire thing TPU or is the back a different material?
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Jaxidian said:
Is the entire thing TPU or is the back a different material?
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The back is more of a sold piece and the lip is rubber like.
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Nxxx said:
The back is more of a sold piece and the lip is rubber like.
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will this and the other cruzerlite case be put on the master list?

Droidguy987 said:
will this and the other cruzerlite case be put on the master list?
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Yes. I'm putting them up now.

Here is pictures of the black one. I have another one I might put on eBay since I don't need two black cases. They sent me one for free for the bs shipping problems I had with them.
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Is the finish on the back matte/grippy? Or does it feel smooth and plasticky?

smanthrav said:
Is the finish on the back matte/grippy? Or does it feel smooth and plasticky?
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The back looks to be a matte finish but idk if its grippy. You just feel the groves from the design and it feels smooth more then anything. But i think it feels pretty good overall.
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s10shane said:
The back looks to be a matte finish but idk if its grippy. You just feel the groves from the design and it feels smooth more then anything. But i think it feels pretty good overall.
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I agree with this. The case is neither slippery nor grippy.

here are some more pics. this is the smoked version.

I'm interested in this case, does nfc work with this case on?

Yep, I have the clear one and the quality is great. NFC works just fine (use it every day as a car dock)
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TPU case recommendations?

I already have the diztronic tpu case, and its great except for the matte finish. The phone actually has less grip with the case on.
Are their any tpu cases out there with the same style as the diztronic but with a finish that actually provides some grip with still making the buttons easy to use?
the s-line case I bought ages ago has a nice grip to it but the buttons are a nightmare on that thing.
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Kindatired said:
I already have the diztronic tpu case, and its great except for the matte finish. The phone actually has less grip with the case on.
Are their any tpu cases out there with the same style as the diztronic but with a finish that actually provides some grip with still making the buttons easy to use?
the s-line case I bought ages ago has a nice grip to it but the buttons are a nightmare on that thing.
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Doesn't diztronic have a glossy one?

I haven't tried it but a lot if folks like the Mercury cases.
Tpu, cut outs for the buttons and pretty grippy. My wife has one for her gs3 and loves it.
Here's a link to the white model. There are loads of colors.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AOW8ILC/ref=mw_dp_img?is=l
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You could also try amzer's soft tpu range. I'm using the pure black one really grippy and buttons are easy to use.
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I have a S-line one, it works great but I retired it for a bumper. There are grippy surfaces on both sides and the buttons are easy to press. It's a semi glossy and matte finish.
I can probably give it to you if you're from Singapore.

tiru.adi13 said:
You could also try amzer's soft tpu range. I'm using the pure black one really grippy and buttons are easy to use.
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Do they provide any genuine protection...? Or they seem like some cheap roadside stuff...? I saw flipkart having a lot of those but I never heard anyone recommend them...can u provide some info...? And a few pics too, if its not too much to ask...
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I highly suggest the tpu cases made by mercury. It has a nice grip to it (unless your hands are moist), with a beautiful finish.
There are cutouts for the buttons which is very easy to access.
I currently own both the diztronic and mercury cases, and I personally prefer the diztronic for its grip and ease of button use, and mercury for there nice range of colors and design.
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crownua6 said:
I highly suggest the tpu cases made by mercury. It has a nice grip to it (unless your hands are moist), with a beautiful finish.
There are cutouts for the buttons which is very easy to access.
I currently own both the diztronic and mercury cases, and I personally prefer the diztronic for its grip and ease of button use, and mercury for there nice range of colors and design.
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Can u leave a link to mercury cases u talked about...?
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punitthereddevil said:
Can u leave a link to mercury cases u talked about...?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2119890

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Can u leave a link to mercury cases u talked about...?
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All colors here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AOW8ICQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

punitthereddevil said:
Can u leave a link to mercury cases u talked about...?
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$5.99 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111021893842?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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Do they provide any genuine protection...? Or they seem like some cheap roadside stuff...? I saw flipkart having a lot of those but I never heard anyone recommend them...can u provide some info...? And a few pics too, if its not too much to ask...
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They do protect pretty well and will protect your screen to because there's a lip on the front. Pics I will upload a little later (sorry! I m out of town).
If you're looking for a good strong protective case then the amzers are good but they don't look all that good though....
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Well I got the A2 from cruzerlite (had one from on my one X) and out of driztronic, s-line and A2 the A2 wins.
The driztronic feels like it would offer more protection if the phone was dropped, but you would probably need that extra protection considering the finish they put on it is so slippery that you will be dropping it all time.
So while the cruzerlite does feel a bit thinner it just feels way better in the hand. The button cutouts are the perfect size making it easy to access, and while the buttons on the driztronic case were covered they did give a nice click when pushed. I just found the buttons were too flush with the case making it hard to feel were to push.
I will probably grab one of the mercury cases next just to compare all three of the "good" tpu cases out there.
As for the s-line, it might depend in who you get it from as the molds might be different from different places, but I got so fed up with the buttons on that case that I cut them out myself. What I found was the button covers on the case don't even line up with the buttons properly.
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Boxwave TPU: http://amzn.com/B000GGBDF4
just received it and here's my c&p from my amazon review:
Simple, and great looking case that fully protects your nexus 4. The back is a matte finish, while the sides and front are a gloss material which help with grip. The buttons are covered and molded, which give it a high quality look and they feel good to press. The camera/speaker/charger/headphone cutouts are perfect and there's no branding on the case. This case is much better than the diztronic I have, which has a big ugly logo on the back, hard to press buttons, and hard to grip.
+1 Also forgot to mention the front lip on the boxwave isn't as tall as the diztronic. With the diztronic I had a hard time touching the edges of the screen

Ringke Fusion ($13.99) vs Official Bumper ($12.95)

I was wondering which case is better than the other?
I'm looking to keep the nexus 4 slim, sexy, and functional.
I narrowed it down to these two cases because of the clicky tactile feels (on the fusion revision) and the original bumper while maintaining slimness.

I got the bumper a week after I received my phone. Well, not the official one, but a replica of the LG one that's sold in the Play Store. The one I received off Amazon seemed fine, but after about a week of normal use, 2 cracks appeared - one on the bottom where the USB is, and the other on the power button.
I think that they appeared because of plugging in the phone and clicking the power button turning it on and off. The material (metal-looking plastic) that surrounds the bumper is flimsy on it's own, and with a certain amount of pressure and heat from the phone, it's prone to cracking.
If you Google around you'll find that a lot of people have had the same problem with the official one. I bought the same bumper for my friend too, but his is holding up well so far, so I'm not sure. The bumper seemed to have a tighter fit on his N4 whereas mine felt a little loose. He has been using it for a couple months as his was the first wave of N4 that were shipped out. I just got mine a little less than a month ago.
Switched over to the Ringke Fusion based on the number of excellent reviews it got both on XDA and Amazon. Took about a week to get here and because it is the revision, the buttons are clicky and give a good feedback. The case also doesn't add much bulk at all. While I do like the heft of carrying around the phone naked, the glass panels scare me. I never used cases on my old phones, but then again, they were plastic and metal. They sure could take a hit!
The Fusion makes the N4 feel more solid as it is, and it works well with wireless chargers. The only complaint I have about it is the back clear plastic tends to dirty quite easily, with scuffs, fingerprints. But then again, who takes time out of their day to gander at the back of the phone. Sure it's pretty but you'll be spending more of your time messing around with the front.

Where'd you find the official bumper for 13?
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Ace42 said:
Where'd you find the official bumper for 13?
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It's a replica of the real bumper. It's on ebay and amazon.
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On amazon it says official bumer by Google 12.95 I'm in the US
zephiK said:
It's a replica of the real bumper.
It's on ebay and amazon.
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Where'd you find the official bumper for 13?
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I remember when i bought my N4, I kept buying different bumpers because either they were too tight [messed up my screen protector], too bulky or did not protect my phone good enough. In January, I bought Ringke Fusion; been using it since then . Its not one of those cheap bumpers, you will definitely feel the quality. Its fits the phone very well and you wont feel the size of it in your hand or in your pocket.

mc704 said:
On amazon it says official bumer by Google 12.95 I'm in the US
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It's a replica. The real ones are sold on the play store. If it says official elsewhere and is less than the price you would normally pay, chances are it's not official. Anyone can say it's official but it isn't.
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I got both . Currently sporting the white OEM bumper. Before that I sported the Ringke Fusion. I will continue using the Fusion when I travel to like Disney lol.

kpjimmy said:
I got both . Currently sporting the white OEM bumper. Before that I sported the Ringke Fusion. I will continue using the Fusion when I travel to like Disney lol.
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Same. I got the fusion and the white OEM bumper.
To the OP: if you haven't seen it yet, the poetic bumpers are pretty good.
Stopped using my white OEM one cause it turned yellow on the sides and can't clean it no matter what I try.
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Kendaihou said:
Same. I got the fusion and the white OEM bumper.
To the OP: if you haven't seen it yet, the poetic bumpers are pretty good.
Stopped using my white OEM one cause it turned yellow on the sides and can't clean it no matter what I try.
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I'm gonna use the hella out of the OEM white bumper because I got it for free .

The bumper makes the phone really wide
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I got ringke fusion, official bumper, the white look alike of fusion and poetic. I wanna use my fusion but my tempered glass doesn't fit well with it. I'll rather go with the fusion because of its solid feeling but the bumper is good.
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I got the Ringke Fusion. IT shows fingerprints REALLY bad - much worse than the back glass - and the fingerprints aren't easy to clean off unless you use water. I ended up taking it off and using the bumper I got free before finding another case.

scottharris4 said:
I got the Ringke Fusion. IT shows fingerprints REALLY bad - much worse than the back glass - and the fingerprints aren't easy to clean off unless you use water. I ended up taking it off and using the bumper I got free before finding another case.
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Fingerprints to me don't show as bad when I put my dbrand skin on. I hardly notice any unless I view the back at an angle.

scottharris4 said:
I got the Ringke Fusion. IT shows fingerprints REALLY bad - much worse than the back glass - and the fingerprints aren't easy to clean off unless you use water. I ended up taking it off and using the bumper I got free before finding another case.
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We talking about regular prints..? Cuz my hands are always clean, and while it definitely attract prints, a quick swipe from my t-shirt takes them right off.
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So the Google bumper on amazon is fake and the fusion case attracts a butt load of finger prints
I see that most people tell me that they are using bumper instead... What bumper? Poetic?

mc704 said:
So the Google bumper on amazon is fake and the fusion case attracts a butt load of finger prints
I see that most people tell me that they are using bumper instead... What bumper? Poetic?
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LOL I would personally get the Fusion, and yes, most bumpers online are replicas even if they are in LG packaging. The normal bumpers cost about 20bux (USD) so that's a good gauge in authentic or not.
There's a thread somewhere comparing the packaging but basically, if there's a holo sticker on the back, mine is square that reads "Original accessories by LG".
GL

Bumper
Wider
Looks better
Less protection
Ringke
Better protection
Lets you create custom designs to insert behind the plastic
horrible protruding creases on the back of the case. - rough to the touch
picks up fingerprints and dust way too easily.
I use bumper for everyday use and if i'm going to be somewhere outside for a long while where i won't have a place to put my phone safely away i use the ringke.

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Fingerprints to me don't show as bad when I put my dbrand skin on. I hardly notice any unless I view the back at an angle.
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Does the Ringke Fusion case fit properly with a dbrand skin on? Was looking on getting the case but was not sure if it would fit on, as I have a dbrand carbon skin on the back.

Androidttraction said:
Does the Ringke Fusion case fit properly with a dbrand skin on? Was looking on getting the case but was not sure if it would fit on, as I have a dbrand carbon skin on the back.
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Yes it fits fine. I have a custom and that's technically two skins of thickness in my areas and fits fine.

Opinions on TPU cases

Hey guys,
I'm considering buying a TPU case for my N4. Which ones do you recommend and why? I'm also especially interested in how much width they add. The OEM bumper case makes the phone too big for my hands.
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jordonwii said:
Hey guys,
I'm considering buying a TPU case for my N4. Which ones do you recommend and why? I'm also especially interested in how much width they add. The OEM bumper case makes the phone too big for my hands.
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I said that too when I first got my bumper and then tried it a second time and resold it again. Won a white OEM one and hasn't come off yet.
I suggest the Ringke Fusion, but you may not like fingerprints on the back of that. Also cruzerlite has some nice cases as well. Also Diztronic tpu cases are nice if you are looking for a plain jane tpu.

The Diztronic case is great. It barely adds any thickness to the phone. While not TPU, I'm also digging the Body Glove case. Laterally, it doesn't add much thickness, but it's a little beefier on the back which might be a good thing with the glass and all. Both cases have raised edges which allows you to put the phone face-down if that's ever a concern.

I have the Diztronic TPU on mine and my girls. She has dropped it numerous times and not a scratch on it.

Mercury 6$ case, it's nice as I have one for a note 2. The note 2 is more snug versus this one however, this one has lips on the sides to protect the screen.
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I must be the only one who thinks the diztronics tpu case is a pile if crap. Cutouts don't like up on either of the two I've had. Went in the garbage
I use the.bumper, and the body glove case when I am doing something where I need more protection
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I have the this one: Ringke Fusion. It adds very little to the bulk of the phone, whilst protecting the back.

I also like the Mercury case ..the look and feel is great.
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funky_snowman said:
I must be the only one who thinks the diztronics tpu case is a pile if crap. Cutouts don't like up on either of the two I've had. Went in the garbage
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You must've had bad luck with it then.. the cutouts on mine are perfect. What I do dislike though are the buttons, which are a bit hard to press and feel mushy.
I still haven't seen a case that I like 100%. Every single one makes it either look a lot cheaper, adds too much bulk or doesn't offer enough protection. But.. well, nothing you can really do, I guess

I have the official bumper, rinke fusion, poetic borderline. I can say using Ringke fusion brings the feeling of a solid phone. Using the official bumper adds a width for the phone. In the poetic borderline i didn't feel any bulk at all. That's my experience about those cases. I consider the back design in choosing a case cause i wanna let others can see the beauty of N4.

dijonemon said:
I have the this one: Ringke Fusion. It adds very little to the bulk of the phone, whilst protecting the back.
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Mine arrived this afternoon and I love it. Can't wait for my skin for the back to arrive so it can feel safe and look sexy.

Official Bumper, Diztronic, a two part mesh case, etc and my FAVORITE is the Cruzerlite Bugdroid case in Smoke. You can see Nexus through the back of the case, not much width added at all and with the Bugdroid pattern carved into the back it offers much needed slip out of the hand protection. Cut outs are perfect also.

I've only tried the diztronic and I highly recommend it. Doesn't look like anything special or nice but in terms of protection it works. I've dropped my phone many times with it on and no scratches or dents or anything. Also the cutouts on mine are perfect.. There is a whole thread on it here I believe. I do wish the beautiful back wasn't covered though.. ringke fusion might be better in that sense.

I've gone through a few cases and settled on this one. My fave case so far, offers great protection and fits over the iloome tempered glass screen protector, unlike the Ringke Fusion.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A06Z41E/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1