I own a samsung galaxy tab 2(GT p3100), which initially had 4.0.4 ICS with 687 MB RAM(but specified as 1 GB RAM, as some developers claim that it is being reserved for system). I updated my firmware to 4.1.2 and now it showed me 770 MB RAM. later i rooted my device and installed the latest CM(cyanogenmod) 10.1 (jelly bean 4.2). To my surprise this rom which has less bloatware and is smoother, it showed me 691 MB RAM, less than 770 MB as displayed by the STOCK jelly bean OS.
i would like to ask, which OS(custom/stock) displays the MAX RAM for GALAXY TAB 2 7.0(P3100)???????
as i don't ve enough internet downloading capacity(limited downloads), i can't just go on downloading all the firmwares and keep flashing everytime, SO EXPERIENCED USERS, PLEASE SUGGEST.
for more info(for my knowledge), do please tell this also--------->tab 2(my device specifies 1 GB RAM and the same does galaxy s2, but why with ICS(4.0.4) installed both the devices show different MB RAM. tab2 shows around 680 MB wheras S2 shows around 880 MB, wheras HTC one X shows 1 GB.
why is this so????? i know some developers claim that this RAM is being consumed by system or reserved for system, but why is it different for different devices, when the OS is the same?????
again if you claim that it is reserved by the android system, then WHY DO , WITH NO APPS INSTALLED TOO, I SEE AROUND 300-400 MB RAM BEING USED(300 MB WHEN I DNT USE ANY WIDGETS AND ALL, AND I STOP ALL THE PROCESSES, BY CLICKING FORCE STOP ON ALL APPS LIKE GMAIL AND EVERYTHING EXCEPT ANDROID SYSTEM AND PHONE AND SOME NECESSARY RED MARKED APPS IN THE DEFAULT TASK MANAGER).
if android process is being displayed here with this 770 MB ram, then where has the 230 MB ram gone------------>do you mean the android process consumes the hidden RAM and also a part of this RAM too???????------------------>this sounds too unpleasant, when htc one x displays all the specified RAM but my tab fails.
really disapponting
You are getting too excited about available RAM. The OS system manages available RAM so each different ROM will use it a little more or less.
The amount of free RAM has nothing to do with how many apps are stored, ONly how many apps are RUNNING. Android system efficiently manages RAM and tries to keep it about 80% full all the time. So called Bloatware (one mans bloat is another mans useful app) has nothing to do with speed , they do nothing if you don't run them.
The system RAM usage contained OS buffers, temp storage and system routines that are always loaded for speed.
1GB is a ton of RAM for android.
You do not have a RAM issue.
You can run out of SD storage space for downloaded apps if you store too many. But you have several GBs of storage so that's hard unless you are a real pack rat.
DigitalMD said:
You are getting too excited about available RAM. The OS system manages available RAM so each different ROM will use it a little more or less.
The amount of free RAM has nothing to do with how many apps are stored, ONly how many apps are RUNNING. Android system efficiently manages RAM and tries to keep it about 80% full all the time. So called Bloatware (one mans bloat is another mans useful app) has nothing to do with speed , they do nothing if you don't run them.
The system RAM usage contained OS buffers, temp storage and system routines that are always loaded for speed.
1GB is a ton of RAM for android.
You do not have a RAM issue.
You can run out of SD storage space for downloaded apps if you store too many. But you have several GBs of storage so that's hard unless you are a real pack rat.
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Right Sir,
well, regarding storage i dont ve any issue as some data like pics and vids can be kept in ext storage card too,but i also wanted to know which ROM provides user with more RAM, so that it will be good for multitasking or if i play high end games like NFS MW
fbh59 said:
Right Sir,
well, regarding storage i dont ve any issue as some data like pics and vids can be kept in ext storage card too,but i also wanted to know which ROM provides user with more RAM, so that it will be good for multitasking or if i play high end games like NFS MW
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The amount of difference between one kernel and another (which is what really matters here) isn't large enough to make any real difference in the performance of any application. The available RAM after the kernel grabs its stuff varies around 10% from one kernel to the next.
If you want to make a performance impact, make sure you minimize the number of running applications that compete for the available RAM. However, that won't make much difference as Android is very aggressive about grabbing memory back from idle applications.
Basically, you're obsessing over something that in the end will make no difference in how your tablet runs.
fbh59 said:
Right Sir,
well, regarding storage i dont ve any issue as some data like pics and vids can be kept in ext storage card too,but i also wanted to know which ROM provides user with more RAM, so that it will be good for multitasking or if i play high end games like NFS MW
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Irrelevant. Android will clear apps from RAM if it's needed by an app with high memory usage. This isn't windows
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well, if this is the thing, and android can kill apps automatically then why do some people prefer custom ROMs like CM or AOKP.
even for installing custom ROMs they need to root their tab/phone, and if they root and want to get rid of so called bloatwares and make their OS lightweight, they can uninstall it using root uninstaller(available for free in google play)....
but why do they prefer custom ROMS?????
fbh59 said:
well, if this is the thing, and android can kill apps automatically then why do some people prefer custom ROMs like CM or AOKP.
even for installing custom ROMs they need to root their tab/phone, and if they root and want to get rid of so called bloatwares and make their OS lightweight, they can uninstall it using root uninstaller(available for free in google play)....
but why do they prefer custom ROMS?????
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More features generally. Some roms will manage the memory better than others, ie at what point it starts to kill apps to free RAM(although this can be adjusted in any rom using rom toolbox or a similar app). many custom roms include a theme engine allowing more customiza. They may make better use of resources to decrease battery usage or because it has better cpu governors which will increase performance. They may flash a custom roms because it's kernel includes modules that aren't in the stock Kernel. There are many reasons besides RAM usage, since as you say you can root and remove bloatware and change memory handling(called minfree or oomut of memory)
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Does the 768 RAM on the MyTouch 4G allow installing more apps or is the memory reserved for apps/data the same as for a 512 device?
Thanks.
I think you are confusing the memory used for storage (1gb available internally) with the memory used for running apps (768mb).
You have 768mb of system memory (for running apps). 1gb of internal memory for apps/storage along with 8gb on the removable SD card.
What are you talking about man?
RAM = random access memory.
ROM = Read only memory.
Ram is what used to allocate the programs/app that is already installed on ROM, so it can run on the phone. In simple ROM is where you install it and to run the program when you load it then its allocated in RAM, I hope it make sense to you.
I've currently got an Acer Liquid E which has 512 MB RAM but I need an AWS phone now.
The phone has 512 MB RAM but only part of that is allocated for storing apps and their data. I believe after a clean wipe only around 70 MB is available for apps (I could be wrong about that number). I believe the rest of the RAM is reserved for the OS and various caches. Even though many apps can be moved to the SD card, there always remains part of the app taking up memory in RAM so if you install too many apps you'll eventually run out of space and things get ugly.
So my question is whether the larger amount of RAM (an extra 256MB) is (at least partially) available for a larger amount of app space, or whether the amount of space available for apps is the same as on a 512MB device, with the additional 256MB being used only by the OS...
I'm sure I've got some of the details wrong, but still the basic question: can the MyTouch 4G have more apps installed before going wonky than say a Samsung Vibrant?
Thanks!
No wonder you got confused I just looked up the spec for Acer Liquid E. It has 512MB ram and rom. Now you are saying that you installed alot of apps and its becoming sluggish? In that case disable some of the service and close some apps you don't use. Normally you won't have 512MB or the actual ram in any device as OS itself and other things use some memory some even used for accelerated graphic depending on the phone.
What you should look for is first remove all the boltware and run the phone barebone without running many things then you can see how much actual memory is available to you to run other service/apps. Also you can save the app as in installing in SD but that has nothing to do with the RAM which is just saving in SD and not in NAND. But when you run the app it will still have to be allocated on RAM thus enabling you to use it.
On my system the RAM appears to be partitioned into /system, /data, and /cache. It seems the /data partition is what's available for use by apps. When this gets low (around 20 MB or so) performance is seriously affected and some apps don't even work right. On my system there is 200MB available for data. I assume it's similar on other devices with 512 MB RAM.
One way to check is install the free app "App 2 SD Free" and on the "On phone" tab at the bottom it will give you total and available memory. (I'm sure there are lots of other ways to check, but it's one app I've got installed that has this info. Here's a link: whoop's it won't let me post a link...)
Anyway, what I'm trying to find out is if there's more available memory on the MyTouch 4G. If someone with this phone could run this app let me know what the "total" memory "On Phone" is I'd appreciate it!
Thanks!
tmagritte said:
On my system the RAM appears to be partitioned into /system, /data, and /cache. It seems the /data partition is what's available for use by apps. When this gets low (around 20 MB or so) performance is seriously affected and some apps don't even work right. On my system there is 200MB available for data. I assume it's similar on other devices with 512 MB RAM.
One way to check is install the free app "App 2 SD Free" and on the "On phone" tab at the bottom it will give you total and available memory. (I'm sure there are lots of other ways to check, but it's one app I've got installed that has this info. Here's a link: whoop's it won't let me post a link...)
Anyway, what I'm trying to find out is if there's more available memory on the MyTouch 4G. If someone with this phone could run this app let me know what the "total" memory "On Phone" is I'd appreciate it!
Thanks!
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You have your definitions messed up:
You are talking about ROM (read only memory) which is like hard drive in your computer. MT4G has 2gb of memory with about 1gb available to end user. SD card can be used to supplement ROM, if app developers enable it (most do) so you have the potential to have up to 17gb of storage space for apps.
RAM (random access memory) is what used to actually run those apps (i.e ability to multitask) and so far this phone has more RAM then any other phone on the market (768MB).
In short: you have roughly 5 times more available memory for apps then on old phone and that does not even include SD card.
Does that help?
Ignore this post: read the one below.
OK, I think I've been confused because the Acer has 512 MB RAM and ROM. So as I understand it now, there's some amount of ROM on the phone that is available to install apps and separate from this is the RAM used to run the apps. I'm guessing the amount of RAM taken up by apps depends on the apps and services currently running, not on the total installed in the ROM?
So having more ROM will let you install more apps but having more RAM will be better for multitasking and speed since more apps can reside in RAM before being swapped out?
From what I've picked up on this thread and Google:
MyTouch 4G: 758 MB RAM, 1 GB user ROM
Vibrant: 512 MB RAM, 2 GB user ROM
Liquid E: 512 MB RAM, 200 MB user ROM
The Vibrant can have more apps installed but the MyTouch should be better at multitasking (and 1 GB space for apps seems like plenty). Either phone should be far better than the Liquid which is seriously constrained by the small ROM.
Is this generally correct? If so, I'm definitely leaning towards the MyTouch 4G.
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Yes thats some what correct. In this case you might want to go with MT4G due to superior hardware capabilities. Vibrant has issues and you will need lagfix before you can work it fully but on MT4G is good to go out of the box if you are android normal user.
If you look at quadrant benchmarks for Vibrant against MT4G. The MSM8255 (2nd gen snapdragon) CPU and Adreno 205 GPU blows away the Hummingbird CPU and SGX 540 GPU. ATM MT4G and DHD is the fastest android device in market. With MT4G you have elegant balance in ROM/RAM for nice performance. BTW MT4G has 4GB ROM but 1GB user accessible.
Thanks. I'm going to try and get the MT4G.
Hey guys i have been enjoying my rooted sensation with ARHD 6.6.4 rom and its working perfect but i only have one issue.
Is the memory usage always so high?
I used this app called Memory Booster Lite and it shows used memory 75% and free only 23 or 25% always no matter how many apps or services i close.
Is this normal and is there any way to improve free ram memory?.
Thanks
Anything above 150 MB free memory is considered good in my books.
Most custom ROMs will get you between 200-250 MB free memory, which is normal.
You don't need to improve the amount of Free RAM you have at any given time. And your memory booster app is probably counter productive to achiving improved performance.
When you load an Android App, it will stay in RAM until something else needs that memory. It's not supposed to get dumped out of RAM just because you close the app.
If you have 100mb of RAM (using easy to work with numbers here) and an app takes 50 MB of RAM and anothe rapp takes 25MB of RAM, both apps will stay loaded in RAM so make them load quicker if you go to use them again. This saves load time and battery as the phone doesn't have to spend energy to transfer the app from storage back into RAM.
So in this scenario you'll have 25MB of RAM left.
Now say you want to load a 3rd app that takes 50MB of RAM. Obviously you don't have enough RAM to load it, so the system will now dump the other 50MB RAM user so it has room to load the new 50MB into RAM.
The system does it all for you natively so you don't need memory improvement apps. All they do it use up RAM permently (since they keep themselves in active memory and won't let themselves be killed) and use up extra battery power because they perform a task that will be performed again by the system later.
Android is very efficient at dumping apps form RAM when not in active use.
Over the course of a battery cycle you'll find that you use the same apps multiple times in a row. The phone app, text app, web browser app, etc are all things that you will use over and over and over. So rather than dumping these out of memory it keeps them so they load faster the next time. And it works VERY well. And it custom tailors itself to the user. If you never use the text app, but use Angry Birds all the time, Angry Birds will stick in RAM.
Sense is a RAM hog. If you want more RAM use AOSP. Having said that, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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You don't need to improve the amount of Free RAM you have at any given time. And your memory booster app is probably counter productive to achiving improved performance.
When you load an Android App, it will stay in RAM until something else needs that memory. It's not supposed to get dumped out of RAM just because you close the app.
If you have 100mb of RAM (using easy to work with numbers here) and an app takes 50 MB of RAM and anothe rapp takes 25MB of RAM, both apps will stay loaded in RAM so make them load quicker if you go to use them again. This saves load time and battery as the phone doesn't have to spend energy to transfer the app from storage back into RAM.
So in this scenario you'll have 25MB of RAM left.
Now say you want to load a 3rd app that takes 50MB of RAM. Obviously you don't have enough RAM to load it, so the system will now dump the other 50MB RAM user so it has room to load the new 50MB into RAM.
The system does it all for you natively so you don't need memory improvement apps. All they do it use up RAM permently (since they keep themselves in active memory and won't let themselves be killed) and use up extra battery power because they perform a task that will be performed again by the system later.
Android is very efficient at dumping apps form RAM when not in active use.
Over the course of a battery cycle you'll find that you use the same apps multiple times in a row. The phone app, text app, web browser app, etc are all things that you will use over and over and over. So rather than dumping these out of memory it keeps them so they load faster the next time. And it works VERY well. And it custom tailors itself to the user. If you never use the text app, but use Angry Birds all the time, Angry Birds will stick in RAM.
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All of this. Every bit of it. I had to explain this to someone the other day who was hellbent on achieving MAXIMUM FREE RAM.
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You don't need to improve the amount of Free RAM you have at any given time. And your memory booster app is probably counter productive to achiving improved performance.
When you load an Android App, it will stay in RAM until something else needs that memory. It's not supposed to get dumped out of RAM just because you close the app.
If you have 100mb of RAM (using easy to work with numbers here) and an app takes 50 MB of RAM and anothe rapp takes 25MB of RAM, both apps will stay loaded in RAM so make them load quicker if you go to use them again. This saves load time and battery as the phone doesn't have to spend energy to transfer the app from storage back into RAM.
So in this scenario you'll have 25MB of RAM left.
Now say you want to load a 3rd app that takes 50MB of RAM. Obviously you don't have enough RAM to load it, so the system will now dump the other 50MB RAM user so it has room to load the new 50MB into RAM.
The system does it all for you natively so you don't need memory improvement apps. All they do it use up RAM permently (since they keep themselves in active memory and won't let themselves be killed) and use up extra battery power because they perform a task that will be performed again by the system later.
Android is very efficient at dumping apps form RAM when not in active use.
Over the course of a battery cycle you'll find that you use the same apps multiple times in a row. The phone app, text app, web browser app, etc are all things that you will use over and over and over. So rather than dumping these out of memory it keeps them so they load faster the next time. And it works VERY well. And it custom tailors itself to the user. If you never use the text app, but use Angry Birds all the time, Angry Birds will stick in RAM.
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Wow thanks a lot for the explanation i really didnt know that.I got used to the pc ram optimizing hahahaha my bad.
so these apps android booster and memory booster shall i remove them all?
but apps running in background they dont drain ur battery?.
Like i am running music player and later i stopped it but its still there in process does it drain battery as long as its there in services?
High Always
Memory free has always been low to about 215 MB max. If you really want you can freeze sense and use a basic launcher from the play store to increase memory by about 50-70 MB.
Memory free is about 300 MB with Virtuous Inquesition 4.0.2 for me!
gamer1291 said:
Wow thanks a lot for the explanation i really didnt know that.I got used to the pc ram optimizing hahahaha my bad.
so these apps android booster and memory booster shall i remove them all?
but apps running in background they dont drain ur battery?.
Like i am running music player and later i stopped it but its still there in process does it drain battery as long as its there in services?
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Yeah get rid of all that stuff.
And no, having an app loaded in RAM doesn't mean it's using processor power, which is what uses the battery. (Nor does it mean it's forcing the screen to stay on, which is your biggest battery drain)
Think of an app you just closed as a guy on a bus. He's just sitting there taking up a seat on the bus not bothering anyone. He doesn't weigh much compared to the bus itself so he's not decreasing the fuel efficiency of the bus. And when a little old lady needs to get on and have a seat, he'll gladly give up his seat for her and get off the bus....then patiently wait on the sidewalk for the next bus.
But as long as he's sitting on the bus quietly he's primed and ready to jump into the drivers seat if you need him to do so. Once he gets off the bus, it takes a second for him to reboard so he can drive.
well, all of this is so wrong... (this maybe true if gingerbread, but not ICS)
Read here:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2012/03/30/learn-about-the-technical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics/
http://source.android.com/compatibility/4.0/android-4.0-cdd.pdf
ICS is designed for 1GB RAM devices (eg: Galaxy Nexus),
and ICS need at least 340MB for linux user space + hardware functions (eg: camera, modem) + 64-128mb max for each running application
so ICS will need more ram than GB. that's why I think 100-150mb free ram isn't enough on Sensation-ICS, especially if you run heavy games that consume very big memory
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well, all of this is so wrong... (this maybe true if gingerbread, but not ICS)
Read here:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...ical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics/
http://source.android.com/compatibility/4.0/android-4.0-cdd.pdf
ICS is designed for 1GB RAM devices (eg: Galaxy Nexus),
and ICS need at least 340MB for linux user space + hardware functions (eg: camera, modem) + 64-128mb max for each running application
so ICS will need more ram than GB. that's why I think 100-150mb free ram isn't enough on Sensation-ICS, especially if you run heavy games that consume very big memory
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Maybe you forgot nexus s or some phone with 512MB, i use it on ics and still smooth and no problem with gaming.
Google never explain how much ram requirements to run ics they just said about STORAGE minimum is 1GB.
One of the improvement of ics is on memory management, we can call it ram management.
In eclair you have to use ram management apps to kill your background tasks in order to run heavy apps smoothly, but in gb google made some improvement on ram management so we dont need an app anymore.
In ics google improve memory management again, thats why even you playing heavy games then minimize it and open browser or something else, you dont feel laggy browsing or because system will kill the game, and you have to start from scratch if you open the game again.
And 768MB is enough for me to run shadow gun, x-plane, gta 3.
Do some research before you say something mate.
And for free ram, i can get 300MB on MIUI sense based, but i dont even care, just leave it let system do the job.
C'mon, we dont need 300MB (except for show off ) what we need is smoothness and battery efficient.
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I thought that they did have rom management in older android versions. If all recent apps stayed open then it would crash the phone because it couldnt handle the load. And apps have different API levels which decided what apps were killed, depending on the kind of app(which you could change with an app). Ics and jb just have a better from management system. Correct me if I'm wrong
And could I hear more about the extra RAM?
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I thought that they did have rom management in older android versions. If all recent apps stayed open then it would crash the phone because it couldnt handle the load. And apps have different API levels which decided what apps were killed, depending on the kind of app(which you could change with an app). Ics and jb just have a better from management system. Correct me if I'm wrong
And could I hear more about the extra RAM?
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Thats what i mean, in eclair phone become laggy when opened a lot of apps, but fixed on GB and more optimized on ICS.
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haha my bad. And is there really a 300mb ram hack in miui? This is the first I've heard of it
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In linux, the expression goes "free RAM is wasted RAM."
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In linux, the expression goes "free RAM is wasted RAM."
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not true anymore, modern linux distro such as Fedora16 64-bit (kernel 3.x) only consume 320 MB of 8GB total RAM and 0 MB swap after start-up (no prefetch by default)
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Maybe you forgot nexus s or some phone with 512MB, i use it on ics and still smooth and no problem with gaming.
Google never explain how much ram requirements to run ics they just said about STORAGE minimum is 1GB.
One of the improvement of ics is on memory management, we can call it ram management.
In eclair you have to use ram management apps to kill your background tasks in order to run heavy apps smoothly, but in gb google made some improvement on ram management so we dont need an app anymore.
In ics google improve memory management again, thats why even you playing heavy games then minimize it and open browser or something else, you dont feel laggy browsing or because system will kill the game, and you have to start from scratch if you open the game again.
And 768MB is enough for me to run shadow gun, x-plane, gta 3.
Do some research before you say something mate.
And for free ram, i can get 300MB on MIUI sense based, but i dont even care, just leave it let system do the job.
C'mon, we dont need 300MB (except for show off ) what we need is smoothness and battery efficient.
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yes of course you can run on sensation, but the system must kill other app running on background (just like my old moto milestone with 256mb ram kill app very frequently including homescreen launcher and it's very slow to start an app).
Read again the official Android 4.0 Compatibility Definition document:
http://source.android.com/compatibility/4.0/android-4.0-cdd.pdf
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...ical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics/
Do some research before you say something mate.
sure, nexus s meet the android 4.0 ccd because it has more than 340 MB RAM, but it struggle just like 512 MB sony devices
128MB is a MUST for each app, but have to adjust more if needed. So next year or two, all phone manufactures will not ship devices with 512MB anymore coz it's too slow & will kill app on background frequently (just like my old milestone)
if you're not developer you won't encounter about memory hungry app, currently I make 3D games on android and <512MB devices (such as xperia mini ics) will automatically exit, because my game take to much ram and probably draw calls (but run very well on my pc), optimization is the only solution (reducing vertices/poly & texture size)
gamer1291 said:
Hey guys i have been enjoying my rooted sensation with ARHD 6.6.4 rom and its working perfect but i only have one issue.
Is the memory usage always so high?
I used this app called Memory Booster Lite and it shows used memory 75% and free only 23 or 25% always no matter how many apps or services i close.
Is this normal and is there any way to improve free ram memory?.
Thanks
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haha.. you want more free memory? stop using a SenseUI rom...
trust me, youll get used to it. sense is nothing special after you get the full affect of an AOSP base
ALSO, just because memory is not free doesnt mean the memory isnt being allocated correctly. androids memory management is very intelligent. usually you dont need any task killers
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Up to a point but beyond a certain threshold too little ram can cause lag, look in the v6 supercharger thread for more info on this
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haha my bad. And is there really a 300mb ram hack in miui? This is the first I've heard of it
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You can easily reach 280MB free on MIUI sometimes 300MB. But c'mon, do you really need it?
Rotundjere said:
not true anymore, modern linux distro such as Fedora16 64-bit (kernel 3.x) only consume 320 MB of 8GB total RAM and 0 MB swap after start-up (no prefetch by default)
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yes of course you can run on sensation, but the system must kill other app running on background (just like my old moto milestone with 256mb ram kill app very frequently including homescreen launcher and it's very slow to start an app).
Read again the official Android 4.0 Compatibility Definition document:
http://source.android.com/compatibility/4.0/android-4.0-cdd.pdf
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...ical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics/
Do some research before you say something mate.
sure, nexus s meet the android 4.0 ccd because it has more than 340 MB RAM, but it struggle just like 512 MB sony devices
128MB is a MUST for each app, but have to adjust more if needed. So next year or two, all phone manufactures will not ship devices with 512MB anymore coz it's too slow & will kill app on background frequently (just like my old milestone)
if you're not developer you won't encounter about memory hungry app, currently I make 3D games on android and <512MB devices (such as xperia mini ics) will automatically exit, because my game take to much ram and probably draw calls (but run very well on my pc), optimization is the only solution (reducing vertices/poly & texture size)
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Maybe 2 years later google will optimize more this beautiful os so it wont become recource hungry OS, do we really need smartphone with 4gb ram? So it will become so smooth.
Ive tried samsung GS advance and its smooth, maybe samsung do better job in term of software. but oh, i forgot GS advance still on GB
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And i do some research before wrote all this, i used to developed some rom for Neo.
And c'mon what SE said about ICS is ****, even their GB is laggy, too much issue, and when ics come, some people including me trying to make it smoother. But still there is an annoying issue with video recording.
Ive readed the link.
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Hi
How can i create Swap Partition for increase RAM on Galaxy tab plus?
I find guide for other device, can`t find for Gt 6200
Thanks for help...
hmr007 said:
Hi
How can i create Swap Partition for increase RAM on Galaxy tab plus?
I find guide for other device, can`t find for Gt 6200
Thanks for help...
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you can;t and should never need to.
You have 1 GB of RAM more than enough for any application.
Swap has not been used since Froyo I think . Since OG phones with 300 mb RAM.
Not used not needed
DigitalMD said:
you can;t and should never need to.
You have 1 GB of RAM more than enough for any application.
Swap has not been used since Froyo I think . Since OG phones with 300 mb RAM.
Not used not needed
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Thanks for replay
but this 1GB (830 MB Actually) full after open 4-5 program or 2 game And Android close automatically other Application And last States!
I Want to save last States of other program Anyway until i Close program manually
For example Chrome close tabs after open 4-5 program and when i visit old tabs , it reloaded again!
hmr007 said:
Hi
How can i create Swap Partition for increase RAM on Galaxy tab plus?
I find guide for other device, can`t find for Gt 6200
Thanks for help...
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Hi. Easiest way is to download Swapper2 from the PlayStore.
viper001 said:
Hi. Easiest way is to download Swapper2 from the PlayStore.
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Only if you want to slow your tablet to a crawl.
Why would you want to swap very fast RAM with very slow SD memory? No need and a really bad idea.
DigitalMD said:
Only if you want to slow your tablet to a crawl.
Why would you want to swap very fast RAM with very slow SD memory? No need and a really bad idea.
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agree. but, it looks like he's more concerned with multitasking.
it always depends on the user. let him try it first and let him decide what's acceptable for him.
Besides, "slow your tablet to a crawl" is an exaggeration.
viper001 said:
agree. but, it looks like he's more concerned with multitasking.
it always depends on the user. let him try it first and let him decide what's acceptable for him.
Besides, "slow your tablet to a crawl" is an exaggeration.
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That won't help multitasking , Android already has an efficient memory management system. That OG swap app was for Froyo phones that only had about 300 mb to run the OS and apps. No longer applies. And since there are no true multi=tasking apps. IE you can;t run two foregrounds apps. ..... , you can never fill up RAM
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That won't help multitasking , Android already has an efficient memory management system. That OG swap app was for Froyo phones that only had about 300 mb to run the OS and apps. No longer applies. And since there are no true multi=tasking apps. IE you can;t run two foregrounds apps. ..... , you can never fill up RAM
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OK. "Task-Switching" then .
Agree that android memory management is "efficient". the problem is that when it runs out of memory the app at the "back" of the stack gets "killed". data is saved for that app so when it's called back up, it "seems" like it was running all the while.
So, as per the OP question, since his problem was that his web pages keep reloading, ie app was killed due to memory constraints, his idea is to increase the RAM or in this case adding virtual RAM via swap.
It's not a bad Idea, since the amount of RAM is virtually increased, then the amount of apps that can be in RAM at the same time is also increased.
FYI, not only for froyo, i use swap for my NEO V running ICS. made DEAD SPACE run better than without swap. :good:
Haven't encountered a need on the P6200 though. Ofcourse, there must be a reason why 2GB RAM devices are now available.
there is not reason that swapping would make your tablet run better, none.
Because as of ICS , and with 1gb+ ram, you are emulating and interfering with what Android (linux) already does .
you have one foreground task and whatever idle tasks and then unused apps that are retained in RAM until they are needed or another apps needs space and they are removed from RAM. Then they reside on SD memory so what advantage does swapping to SD memory give you, none, in fact it adds a extra useless step .
SO Android attempts to keep RAM 80% used.at all times. If you look at the process logically, I do not believe can lay out a scenario by which the swapper apps beings any benefit to current Android systems.
DigitalMD said:
there is not reason that swapping would make your tablet run better, none.
Because as of ICS , and with 1gb+ ram, you are emulating and interfering with what Android (linux) already does .
you have one foreground task and whatever idle tasks and then unused apps that are retained in RAM until they are needed or another apps needs space and they are removed from RAM. Then they reside on SD memory so what advantage does swapping to SD memory give you, none, in fact it adds a extra useless step .
SO Android attempts to keep RAM 80% used.at all times. If you look at the process logically, I do not believe can lay out a scenario by which the swapper apps beings any benefit to current Android systems.
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You actually pointed out the reason why the Original Poster wanted to use swap. he wanted his currently "unused" browser app to reside in ram, and not get killed. in this case it will be in virtual ram.
I agree with all your points. and I don't use swap on my tablet (P6200) haven't had a need, but i do use it on my phone(Neo V, 512 RAM, 384 useable).
All i'm saying is let him try. it's possible that he is hitting the limit on his Tablet. I know, cause it's easy to hit the limit on my phone that i'm very sure swapping works. e.g i can now switch between, Chrome, Facebook, Email, What'sUp, answer a phone call, send a text message and come back to Chrome (which has three open tabs BTW) without Chrome "reloading" those same three tabs. i wasn't able to do this before i starter using swap.
and yes, there's a bit lag but it's better than incurring cost of reloading a page each time, esp if your on a limited data plan.
One other thing that was not considered yet also are the OOM groups and Minfree. another option is Compcache.
The use of Swap really depends on the user and the way he uses his device. You can only see a benefit from swap if you consistently use up all your RAM. Which, if i understand the OP's problem correctly, is the case.
Hi I have galaxy y and I read it's phone specification online before buying it. the online specification all says that it has 512mb of ram. But after I bought the phone, task manager shows that the phone only contain two hundred something of total memory.so where is the remaining gone? Is there any way to gain them? Like uninstalling what from system? I have rooted my phone but I don't want use swap as well. I want the original ram memory to the maximum available. Any help would be appreciated.
It's used by all those system apps running in the background. Like launcher, phone, messages and stuff. 200mb is a decent amount of RAM (considering it has oly 512 mb). If u want more ram try using a light weight launcher, a custom rom helps too (as in stock rom they put a lot of unwanted stuff into it).
My Samsung Galaxy S5 is 1 week old, and it's using a lot of RAM. It has a total of 1.75 GB of RAM, and when I'm running no apps, it's using around 1.2 GB of RAM. Is this normal for Galaxy S5?
same problem to me
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Same here not S5 thought
My galaxy note n7000 alway use 400-500 mb while it idle
(Seem normal for note) (Dirty unicorn rom)
Now i got galaxy mega 2 it's alway use 0.9-1 GB ram
No apps running
Why would samsung need that much ram for system?
Okay i found a reason
"RAM, either full or empty, consumes the same amount of electricity, unlike RAM in computers.
The CPU copies data from storage to RAM and then runs the app. If the app is already in RAM, the CPU won't reopen it, it'll directly use it.
So making the RAM full of opened apps helps the CPU. The phone becomes faster, and the need of electricity running through the CPU to open the app is now nonexistent."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2601318
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My Samsung Galaxy S5 is 1 week old, and it's using a lot of RAM. It has a total of 1.75 GB of RAM, and when I'm running no apps, it's using around 1.2 GB of RAM. Is this normal for Galaxy S5?
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Yeah, that's normal. TouchWiz is a very heavy ROM, with lots of extra features, which means lots of processes running in the background. S Voice, S View, S Finder, gesture controls, etc. And if you've purchased from a carrier on a subsidy or payment plan, that means you'll have some carrier bloat running too. Some only a handful of MB, some take more, but when you have so many running at once, it all adds up. On my Galaxy Light (a lower end device), 700-800MB of the 1GB RAM is typically taken up. On my Note 3, which I've barely done anything with yet, .9-1.5GB can be used up pretty easily without any multi-tasking. Obviously, the Note 3 has many more features, which needs more RAM. TouchWiz is very heavy, which is why most of their newer mid-end models have been coming with 1.5GB RAM instead of the "standard" 1GB - one gig just isn't enough to run TouchWiz, even though it's plenty for stock or near-stock phones like the Moto G.
What you need to understand though, is that even if 1.2GB RAM is used up, that leaves 500MB or so for all the apps you'll be wanting running in the background. Facebook, Words with Friends, the camera, music, etc. That's actually quite a lot. Also realize that "no apps running" does not mean that no apps are running. There are LOTS of apps running (every feature/function is an "app"), but they're not ones that you've loaded, but they're part of the "system", so they're already running and can't be killed. Facebook is one you've loaded. Smart Screen is not, but if you have it enabled, it's still running, and it's still taking up some RAM.
What you also need to understand is that you want these apps running in the background, taking up your RAM. And you don't want to be using a task killer like Clean Master to obsessively free up RAM pointlessly. When an app like Facebook is running in the background, it's quickly retrievable. Kill it, and next time you want to load it, it has to load from the internal storage into the RAM again, which takes time, processing power, and battery life. You can still use a task killer like Clean Master to free up some RAM if things get sluggish, but it's best to white-list the apps you use a lot so you're not constantly loading them from storage and killing your battery and wasting time. Or, if you were playing an intense game for a while, but don't plan to again for the rest of the day, by all means kill it with the task switcher. Android actually does a very good job of managing your RAM, and except in certain circumstances, it's best to just let it do what it does by itself.
If you can't help but obsess with free/used RAM, or you actually multi-task to the point of things getting frustratingly sluggish, turn off all the features you don't need or rarely/never use. Go into your app manager and disable (Turn Off) apps/features you don't use. Find a "de-bloat" guide for your phone and find out what's safe to delete or turn off. This includes Samsung crap, carrier crap, and even Google stuff as well. If you don't need Lookout, disable it. If you don't use Google Wallet, disable it. Samsung Print Service? You don't use that. Disable that crap. Some of these wouldn't be running in the background anyway, but it's easy to accidentally load them, in which case they'll needlessly be taking up RAM.
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skyhot004 said:
Same here not S5 thought
My galaxy note n7000 alway use 400-500 mb while it idle
(Seem normal for note) (Dirty unicorn rom)
Now i got galaxy mega 2 it's alway use 0.9-1 GB ram
No apps running
Why would samsung need that much ram for system?
Okay i found a reason
"RAM, either full or empty, consumes the same amount of electricity, unlike RAM in computers.
The CPU copies data from storage to RAM and then runs the app. If the app is already in RAM, the CPU won't reopen it, it'll directly use it.
So making the RAM full of opened apps helps the CPU. The phone becomes faster, and the need of electricity running through the CPU to open the app is now nonexistent."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2601318
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I cross-posted with your edit, but you've found some of the reason. As I said above, you want your apps running in the background, taking up RAM, unless you don't plan on using it again for a while. The other reason, as I said, is that heavy ROMs like TouchWiz, LG's Optimus UI, Sense, etc, have a lot of features and running processes compared to stock, near-stock, or the custom AOSP ROMs.