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mobile data vs wifi for google voice calls?

i had my thunderbolt set to wifi which i hardly ever do, left my house, and made a phone call using google voice while going for a walk. after i hung up, i noticed i had never turned mobile data back on. so, how did google voice handle my call half a mile from home without the verizon network? did it somehow switch seamlessly from wifi to mobile data without me agreeing to turn mobile data on?, just curious.
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wrb123 said:
i had my thunderbolt set to wifi which i hardly ever do, left my house, and made a phone call using google voice while going for a walk. after i hung up, i noticed i had never turned mobile data back on. so, how did google voice handle my call half a mile from home without the verizon network? did it somehow switch seamlessly from wifi to mobile data without me agreeing to turn mobile data on?, just curious.
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Google voice isnt VOIP... its using your cell signal, not your data. It does use a few packets to initiate the call over a data network, but after that, its using your minutes and your cell connection. The only real benefit for your average user is free text messaging (no mms) and visual voicemail for free. Its the same as using your cellphone otherwise, with far worse call quality.

if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different? I have only recently started using voice to dial out on calls and haven't really noticed a difference.

johnchad14 said:
if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different? I have only recently started using voice to dial out on calls and haven't really noticed a difference.
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There is no difference. Whether you are on WiFi or not, it still uses regular Verizon cell network as though you dialed the call normally. It still uses your minutes and doesn't use data.
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johnchad14 said:
if it's using cell connection, why would call quality be any different?
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Because you're going through more hops, which means more transcoding and latency.

hmm seems like the quality is fine to me... its not like im calling into a recording studio to lay down the vocals for my next track anyway.
the real question is more about how google voice can just turn my mobile data on without asking me when i turned it off, whereas something like google maps has to prompt me every time to turn gps on. it would be nice if google maps could just remember my preference "yes, its okay to enable gps when i launch maps/navigation or click to show my location" rather than being sent to the location settings from maps every time
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I'd heard about lower quality on voice calls but just haven't experienced it. Is the call still connecting through a third party between callers these days? My understanding was callers are connected by the service but once connection is established they are directly connected. Would be curious to know the technical details
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You mean you are getting free text messages with GV? It doesnt count towards your text mesaging plan

Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service. Quality is the same, because you your "voice" is not being re-encoded, altered, or even rerouted in any way. All the Google voice service does is accept/make calls then hand them off. Just like calling a secretary and them transferring you to another office. Your GV number is the secretary, when someone calls it it informs all your phones that someone wants to talk to you and when you pick one up it "transfers" the call to you on that phone. Just as if they directly called you. Absolutely no difference. This is not voip, like skype, vonage, etc.

trikotret said:
You mean you are getting free text messages with GV? It doesnt count towards your text mesaging plan
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yep, but google voice can't handle picture messaging. i just told everyone, hey... can't get picture messages anymore. post stuff on facebook or email it to me. awesome to be able to save $10 or so a month doing this on verizon. on sprint they don't let you decline text messaging on a smartphone plan that im aware of, so it doesn't matter on sprint. very happy with verizon on this issue!
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Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service. Quality is the same, because you your "voice" is not being re-encoded, altered, or even rerouted in any way. All the Google voice service does is accept/make calls then hand them off. Just like calling a secretary and them transferring you to another office. Your GV number is the secretary, when someone calls it it informs all your phones that someone wants to talk to you and when you pick one up it "transfers" the call to you on that phone. Just as if they directly called you. Absolutely no difference. This is not voip, like skype, vonage, etc.
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thanks for the explanation - good to know.
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TsaiKimon said:
Most of you are misunderstanding the GV service.
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Especially you.
When a secretary transfers a call, it's to another DN on the same PBX, the connection is simply rerouted within the same system. If they "hand you off to another office," then they are adding a hop, and possibly transcoding, unless the PBXs are in a common VoIP domain, or in very specific cases, are coordinated to do anti-tromboning (e.g. all calls enter the main office, which then trunks them to remote sites - if a call is then transferred back to the main site or to another office, anti-tromboning may be used).
With GV, when you call out, your phone calls a special number belonging to GV (you can see this if you have detailed billing). From that point, the number you dialed is in turn connected. GV can't reach into the carrier's system and reroute the call there. So, it's another hop of latency and transcoding. It wouldn't surprise me if Google had SIP trunks, since they tend to be cheaper at scale.
It's similar in reverse, someone calls your GV number, they're connected to a Google site, which in turn forwards the call to your cell number (or whatever number you define). Again, another hop.

the call quality is fine
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My call quality actually went down after starting to use GV on my Thunderbolt. I have a severe 2-3 second lag with almost all my calls I start. I have no problem when receiving a call, there's no lag. Anyone else in the same boat?
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yes to lag when starting calls, but that is due to the connection method certainly. Has to connect to voice, then voice connects both parties.
But haven't noticed any call quality degradation from switching (yet?)

Wifi Calling?

Hey guys, im wondering if anyone has gotten any sort of Wifi calling to work on the shift? Im rooted with CM7, im bored so i need something to do to the phone lol

I recommend downloading/installing GrooVe IP whcih will allow you to use VoIP via 3/4G networks as well as WiFi. The only requirement with using GrooVe Ip is you have to have a GVC.

Wow thanks for mentioning grooveip worked great and was a snap to set up. Wish I had it when I had my G1 'cause I was getting free internet on it as long as i put 10 bucks every three months on my flexpay account. All well...

Anyone set up the SIP calling feature that in gingerbread? I don't know too much about voip =/
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Once CM7 is updated to 2.3.4 I believe we should be able to make calls over data via gtalk.
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jesusice said:
Once CM7 is updated to 2.3.4 I believe we should be able to make calls over data via gtalk.
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Yes, once Gingerbread is updated to the .4 version, you'll be able to use Google Talk for VoIP. Until then, get GrooVe IP. As I mentioned in my earlier thread, all you need to do is sign up for a GVA to use with GrooVe IP.

lilgrass71 said:
Anyone set up the SIP calling feature that in gingerbread? I don't know too much about voip =/
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VoIP in essence lilgrass71 takes an analog voice signal, converts it to binary code, sends it across the internet in data packets and converts it back to an analog voice signal on the receiver's end. Examples of VoIP are Vonage, Magic Jack and Google Voice.

wireless.praying.mantis said:
VoIP in essence lilgrass71 takes an analog voice signal, converts it to binary code, sends it across the internet in data packets and converts it back to an analog voice signal on the receiver's end. Examples of VoIP are Vonage, Magic Jack and Google Voice.
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Not Google Voice.
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jesusice said:
Not Google Voice.
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I should have said Google Voice is VoIP when used via WiFi.

wireless.praying.mantis said:
I should have said Google Voice is VoIP when used via WiFi.
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Nope. Texts sent via Voice app go over data but not calls. It still uses minutes.
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jesusice said:
Nope. Texts sent via Voice app go over data but not calls. It still uses minutes.
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Your right jesusice. As I originally suggested earlier, get GrooVe IP.

I see. So is there a way I can find the log in server and information to put into my dialer to make the sip calling functionality work with my google voice account?
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What I had to do was set up a PBX server and enter my Google voice information there! I used C sip Simple not the stock sip client on Android, it did not work as well. Then I could make Wifi calls from my cell and receive them on my GV number. I am guessing that is a lot of work for what you want to do, as of early this year tho I think T mobile was the only carrier that would allow you to use your cell and place wifi calls without using sip. Not sure if this was any help but just thought I would let ya know an option! This was the only free option I found as Google does not charge for "minutes"

jesusice said:
Once CM7 is updated to 2.3.4 I believe we should be able to make calls over data via gtalk.
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Wow, now I can't wait for 7.1. Lmao
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As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, GrooveIP is a very acceptable app for WiFi calling. HOWEVER, the kicker on this app for me (and perhaps it needs its own thread rather than semi hi-jacking this one) is the ability to make outgoing GV calls again from your primary headset if you've already integrated your Sprint ph # w/ GV. So, if you set up GV w/ an alternate ph # previously and have hesitated going w/ the Sprint-GV intergration because you didn't want to lose the call-out features, GrooveIP is your answer.
There IS an option w/i GrooveIP to accept incoming calls, but as of yet, every test inbound call I've made has been missed (edit - incoming works fine so long as data signal is strong). But outgoing works fine, voice quality is fine, and the comfort of again being able to use 2 phone numbers on the same headset is awesome. Highly recommended!

Msaiko said:
What I had to do was set up a PBX server and enter my Google voice information there! I used C sip Simple not the stock sip client on Android, it did not work as well. Then I could make Wifi calls from my cell and receive them on my GV number. I am guessing that is a lot of work for what you want to do, as of early this year tho I think T mobile was the only carrier that would allow you to use your cell and place wifi calls without using sip. Not sure if this was any help but just thought I would let ya know an option! This was the only free option I found as Google does not charge for "minutes"
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Can you elaborate on this (either on the forum or through PM), as I've been trying to set up a PBX unsuccessfully, and C sip Simple. I can't find the GV sip or domain info to complete this. Thanks!

[APP] groove ip google VOIP with sprint number!!

Hey guys I’ve been looking for a good VoIP caller for my phone that uses my sprint number for a while now, and I finally found one and I would like to share it with everyone
It’s called groove ip
click up ^^ here for the market link
It is a paid app, I found it on the market and I believe it wasn’t any more than 5 dollars.
set up:
I integrated Google voice on my account keeping my sprint number
I then downloaded Google voice on my phone and set it all up.
Then I downloaded groove ip and signed in.
you have options on when to use groove ip.
i have it auto start and set to ask when placing a call.
there is no battery drain when on standby.
obviously it uses some battery when placing or receiving calls
ive used it for a few days now, and i love it.
texts also work with the google voice app
Now you can use my phone even if you don’t have service as long as there is wifi !!

What about mms? I have Grooveip as well, but I'm hesitant to port my number completely to Voice. I use Voice for the voicemail and voip only... I use my Sprint number for everyday calling to other cells and sms/mms

Mms doesn't work on just WiFi, but is does on the cell network. I have no problems with it at all. Everything works the same for me. I also installed the voice app and grooveIP on my tablet and I can now use that as a spare phone at home. I still have to set it up online to ring the tablet tho
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Google Voice not working very well.

Just got my Play today. White international version.
Im having terrible luck with google voice. I can't get to forward my calls through voice. I can't set it to receive texts through voice only. All I can do is revives calls when people call me. This is a bad issue. Does anyone else have any luck with Google voice? This could factor into a speedy return
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Zardos66 said:
Just got my Play today. White international version.
Im having terrible luck with google voice. I can't get to forward my calls through voice. I can't set it to receive texts through voice only. All I can do is revives calls when people call me. This is a bad issue. Does anyone else have any luck with Google voice? This could factor into a speedy return
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Look for the app GrooveIP
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Leraeniesh said:
Look for the app GrooveIP
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Checked it out. Not what im looking for. Thanks though.
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Zardos66 said:
Just got my Play today. White international version.
Im having terrible luck with google voice. I can't get to forward my calls through voice. I can't set it to receive texts through voice only. All I can do is revives calls when people call me. This is a bad issue. Does anyone else have any luck with Google voice? This could factor into a speedy return
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"I can't get to forward my calls through voice." I'm not sure what you mean. You can't get it to take incoming calls to your Google Voice number and forward to your native number or you can't get it to take incoming calls top your native number and forward to Google Voice for voicemail? Mine pops up a dialog saying that it failed to forward native calls to GV voicemail but it actually works. Even if it didn't there's still a code I can dial in to do the same thing. Some carriers do not support it though. My boss could not use GV to forward his MetroPCS voicemail to. If you are saying that you want calls made to your native number to ring your GV number, that would not be a feature of GV. That would require you to set up forwarding through your carrier.
"I can't set it to receive texts through voice only." Uhh, it can't block texts sent to your native number. Block texting with your provider and tell people to forget your old non-GV number, then use the GV app to receive texts (setting it to also receive via native Messaging app will forward them to your mobile number as regular billable text messages despite the wording of the option). Forwarding native texts to GV is also something your carrier would have to do unless you could find some app to do it. It's not a GV function.

I should have been a bit more clear. Was in a flurry last night.
I've got most of it fixed. I ported my phone number to voice when I changed carriers. So everyone still calls that, then voice routes the call to any phone you want. When I call out from my Nexus, it goes through Google voice and on the other persons end it shows my Voice number instead of my "real" phone number.
My Xperia recieves calls fine now, but I cant get it to call out through Google voice. So people are seeing my "real" number instead of my voice number.
First world problems.
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Zardos66 said:
I should have been a bit more clear. Was in a flurry last night.
I've got most of it fixed. I ported my phone number to voice when I changed carriers. So everyone still calls that, then voice routes the call to any phone you want. When I call out from my Nexus, it goes through Google voice and on the other persons end it shows my Voice number instead of my "real" phone number.
My Xperia recieves calls fine now, but I cant get it to call out through Google voice. So people are seeing my "real" number instead of my voice number.
First world problems.
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In the options for th GV app I set it to use GV for all outgoing calls. If I have a poor signal or weak WiFi, it causes it to hang on some intermediary screen before the dialer pops up so it is using Internet data for that step. If you can't enable the option, I'd check your cellular data settings.

Oh yeah. Ive got that set up. Been using voice for over a year now. Play just doesn't seem to like it as much.
In a completely unrelated note, this phone has amazing battery life
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Zardos66 said:
Oh yeah. Ive got that set up. Been using voice for over a year now. Play just doesn't seem to like it as much.
In a completely unrelated note, this phone has amazing battery life
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The only issue I have on my PLAY is the error saying that I can't enable voicemail forwarding even though it does enable it and forward just fine (the setting still shows that my carrier is handling VM). Even then, I think it's a problem with AT&T still having something configured wrong from my iPhone plan with VVM. Also, my battery would die in 8 hours of leaving the device locked on the stock AT&T ROM but, luckily, you never had to deal with that.

Got it all figured out.
Rooted the phone and removed a bunch of bloat. Phone is amazing now! I love you XDA.

Ok so Im not trying to change the subject, but does anyone get googles video chat to work without huge lag? I bought my girlfriend a Xperia play right after I got mines & installed video talk (via Video Talk Installer) & also the GTalkEnabler (to enable "Talk" over mobile data) & attempted both video & voice chat. My voice chat worked well over wifi & mobile, but the video chat was almost impossible due to lag on AT&Ts HSPA/Almost kinda 4g & not much better on wifi. With both XPlay's on wifi the video jumped frames and had green or pink pixel boxes & voice was lagged over 5 seconds. This makes the front cam & video chat useless. Whats the deal with this??

Groove IP settings on your N7000

I just can't seem to find the right settings for groove IP. Anyone had any success? I get stutter / cut outs, roboticish voice, etc. I know it isn't googlevoice call quality because when i'm home I use an 8 year old wireless phone along with an obi100 and call quality is excellent.

LxMxFxD said:
I just can't seem to find the right settings for groove IP. Anyone had any success? I get stutter / cut outs, roboticish voice, etc. I know it isn't googlevoice call quality because when i'm home I use an 8 year old wireless phone along with an obi100 and call quality is excellent.
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I been using groove ip for a while.. let my give you my settings which .. I agree.. are a result of trial and error:
In troubleshooting... I keep the screen on
In echo cancellation... post processing
Other settings are default.. and I keep it up from morning til night since I am outside the US and get "local" US calls
Now I also have GIP in my moto Atrix and the settings are different..
I agree with you.. it is difficult and they also depend on the quality of your internet connection or if you have 3G HSPDA+ on your data connectionn
I have also used Talpatalk (which I have in my iCrap devices and the it works fantastic.. not much tweaking. The latest versions of
Android Talpatalk are better than what they used to be a few months ago but I bought GIP premium when Tapatalk had not released the Android app, so I am using GIP
If anyone else can drop ideas.. much appreciated

ricardowec said:
I been using groove ip for a while.. let my give you my settings which .. I agree.. are a result of trial and error:
In troubleshooting... I keep the screen on
In echo cancellation... post processing
Other settings are default.. and I keep it up from morning til night since I am outside the US and get "local" US calls
Now I also have GIP in my moto Atrix and the settings are different..
I agree with you.. it is difficult and they also depend on the quality of your internet connection or if you have 3G HSPDA+ on your data connectionn
I have also used Talpatalk (which I have in my iCrap devices and the it works fantastic.. not much tweaking. The latest versions of
Android Talpatalk are better than what they used to be a few months ago but I bought GIP premium when Tapatalk had not released the Android app, so I am using GIP
If anyone else can drop ideas.. much appreciated
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Really appreciate the settings. On my S2 I had the settings pretty well tweaked to have "good" voice quality about 90% of the time. Seems that either ICS changed the audio stack (S2 was on GB) or there is significantly different hardware in the note such that those same settings did not translate at all to the Note. Also could be the latest version of GooveIP isn't as good or whatnot.
I will try those settings later tonight. What do you have your mic and speaker volumes set to? What about mic buffer length? Oh and I only use grooveIP on a quality wifi connection. T-mobile in the USA only gets 2G service anyway on the Gnote.

Just to say I decided to switch to Talkatone.. much better,

ricardowec said:
Just to say I decided to switch to Talkatone.. much better,
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I just downloaded and tried it briefly. Seems it is free but ad supported? Any particular settings that you set up with it?

Buy. Premium.expensive but worth it

Pardon the silly Q but what is the difference between that and Google Voice? I thought with google voice I was already saving on my minutes but reading about that it claims that using Groove IP with google will save you on your voice minutes..so I am confused.

Any updates from anyone using grove ip on their note?
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shaolin95 said:
Pardon the silly Q but what is the difference between that and Google Voice? I thought with google voice I was already saving on my minutes but reading about that it claims that using Groove IP with google will save you on your voice minutes..so I am confused.
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Google voice only forwards calls to your mobile if you use it on your mobile. The app also allows you to use free "texting" if you forward texts to your gchat (option is available in gvoice settings).
Using groove IP on the other hand allows you to send/receive phone calls to your mobile using the app, without using any carrier, just internet. Its basically a mobile VOIP connection. The downside is of course that you must be on wifi or a super duper 4g connection (with low pings) to get good quality calls.

One good thing about grooveip is the the sound in the speaker and the ear piece can be set to really loud. I have never found any app that was able to do this .
Wish some one could figure out how its being done.