[Q] iPhone 4 w bad ESN for development - General Questions and Answers

I finally purchased my first MacBook Pro so I can start iOS development. I do not own any iOS devices, other than my fiance's iPhone 4. I would like to ease myself into iOS development, so I am looking at purchasing a used iPhone 4. iPhone 4's can upgrade to iOS 6, so it seems to be the cheapest way to get into the iOS dev game.
Browsing ebay I see a lot of iPhones listed with bad ESN's. I understand this can mean it's a deactivated device which cannot be activated on a network, but would such a device be able to suffice my needs as a introductory development platform for either PhoneGap or native app development?
Would there be any pitfalls that may prevent me from working on wifi? I would not be activating the device on Sprint or anything, so could I theoretically buy some cheap att or verizon iPhone with a bad ESN and just use it on my local wifi for development purposes?

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Do you Think XDA should support iphone and ipad because you can make third party apps in themes?
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i think so i recently switched over to a 3gs coming from a htc pure (htc war hawk) the iphone is actually very customizable after you jail break. and there is a huge community behind it. XDA should create a area for both iphone and maybe the ipad
b14ck_h4wk said:
i think so i recently switched over to a 3gs coming from a htc pure (htc war hawk) the iphone is actually very customizable after you jail break. and there is a huge community behind it. XDA should create a area for both iphone and maybe the ipad
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Yes they should .I had contact them to maybe add it to xda.plus I got my iPhone 3GS like 3 to 4 days ago in it is customizable alot
Absolutely not. iphone is in no way related to XDA nor should the XDA community piss away valuable time to program for a company and community that hates modding and has tried in federal courts to block such activity. Exposing the XDA community to lawsuits and harassment from Apple should be avoided at all costs. The vast majority of the community here purchased their phones so they would NOT be part of the Apple idiocy and involved with a second set of parents. If you want to mod your iphone, there are many communities that already exist solely for that purpose.
If there were no jailbrake I would got bored with the iphone
iphone has its devs, and winmo and android have their devs. iphone and winmo/android are completely separate. they have their own forums. no need to ruin a good thing here at xda
-jd
They are not really different it just that Steve is a ass somtimes
Site for all 3 OS
Check out this site I had made for windowsmobile ,Android ,Apple IPhone and Ipad.Heres link http://iphonetechheck.webs.com/
What would be the purpose? There are already sooooo many iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad forums out there already.
Maybe I would feel differently if it was soley about upgrading old iPhones with Android OS (which would be a valid desire, especially for first-gen iPhone owners who Apple has abandoned), but there are already many established forums out there dealing with iOS.
GnatGoSplat said:
What would be the purpose? There are already sooooo many iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad forums out there already.
Maybe I would feel differently if it was soley about upgrading old iPhones with Android OS (which would be a valid desire, especially for first-gen iPhone owners who Apple has abandoned), but there are already many established forums out there dealing with iOS.
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Like right now my iPhone running a cool looking nexus theme now. In jailbreaking phone is just like when you all unlock your phone to get .The features you couldn't unlock.before now.plus he did add one .He can make it organize so you windows people and amAndroid users don't get mad at us iPhone users.But don't get me wrong I do have a tilt2 that I only have 5 days and the hp glisten but the iPhone is just better..it will be cool to have them just a backup phone or second phone to use maybe.
julian2596 said:
Like right now my iPhone running a cool looking nexus theme now. In jailbreaking phone is just like when you all unlock your phone to get .The features you couldn't unlock.before now.plus he did add one .He can make it organize so you windows people and amAndroid users don't get mad at us iPhone users.But don't get me wrong I do have a tilt2 that I only have 5 days and the hp glisten but the iPhone is just better..it will be cool to have them just a backup phone or second phone to use maybe.
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I do understand jailbreaking, I just wonder what would be the benefit of an iPhone forum here, when there are already big iPhone forums out there like this for example:
http://modmyi.com/forums/
It would be like re-inventing the wheel, except there would be much fewer iPhone users here to answer your questions as compared to there.
GnatGoSplat said:
I do understand jailbreaking, I just wonder what would be the benefit of an iPhone forum here, when there are already big iPhone forums out there like this for example:
http://modmyi.com/forums/
It would be like re-inventing the wheel, except there would be much fewer iPhone users here to answer your questions as compared to there.
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But least they can have the option to add a section on here.or I can just add one to my site that I already have.but it Will be cooler if it was on here .http://iphonetechheck.webs.com/
I was always under the impression that XDA is mainly about HTC devices, with some exceptions for WinMo and Android phones by non-HTC companies.
But imagine the banter getting out of control and moving into flaming, particularly between Android and iPhone folks. That might cause problems, and it's not what the forum's here for.
Well...this forum was started out for HTC deving; it has expanded to some Motorola, Samsung, and other devices and the dominant force is WinMo and Android. Microsoft does not constantly try to sue over modification of WinMo phones. Google does not sue over modifications made to Android.
Apple on the other hand, is the reason that courts finally ruled under DMCA, that modifying a phone's encryption/code for personal use is legal.
Do you really want to attract that kind of attention to XDA? I know personally that I don't want a bunch of rabid Apple fanboys floating around the site, only for Steve Jobs to come in and attack it.
~Jasecloud4
jasecloud4 said:
Well...this forum was started out for HTC deving; it has expanded to some Motorola, Samsung, and other devices and the dominant force is WinMo and Android. Microsoft does not constantly try to sue over modification of WinMo phones. Google does not sue over modifications made to Android.
Apple on the other hand, is the reason that courts finally ruled under DMCA, that modifying a phone's encryption/code for personal use is legal.
Do you really want to attract that kind of attention to XDA? I know personally that I don't want a bunch of rabid Apple fanboys floating around the site, only for Steve Jobs to come in and attack it.
~Jasecloud4
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Jailbreaking is now legal so now won't get attack by apple for doing anything to your phone.I'm typing this from iPhone just wanted to share that.I all ready send them a message would it be possible to add a section then if they don't then we could drop the topic . Just waiting for them to email now on the decision .
Umm...did you not read what I wrote? Apple sued in court repeatedly over jailbreaking and lost. I know it's LEGAL, however, throughout their company's history Apple has never been a gracious loser.
On top of which, many Android and WinMo users abhore the iPhone. I can only speak for myself, but I would leave XDA and never come back if an iPhone forum was added. There's just too much animosity between the different schools of thought for my taste.
Oil and water don't mix.
~Jasecloud4
you people rreally hate iphone and apple.I hate appple to thats why i jailbrake
Picture of IPhone3GS and 3G running Android on it one is nexus other one is HTC Sence hero somthing.
I could see a forum solely about running Android on the iPhone as being within the scope and culture of this forum, but there is already a forum for that too.
http://www.idroidproject.org/forum/index.php
wow ok but it looks better on here then there

Android Dies Tommarrow?

Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
Enjoy!
honeycomb is gunna rock peoples socks!
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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.
HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?
delugeofspam said:
iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD
BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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only used HTC handsets now for maybe 6 years or so, now purely android and a tablet as well.
wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be
BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android
Please don't feed the troll!
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!
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you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.
@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy
The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.
OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.
When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.
Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today
I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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I'm going to get new smartphone from my Omnia 7

Hi dear,
Im thinking to get a Nokia N8 .
I know symbian is not dead yet, but it's going to die by 2013.
As Im using a windows phone 7 which is Samsung Omnia 7, I've read the news that nokia will use WP7 as their main OS.
But I'm bored of using it since it has no turn by turn navigation app and still miss several important features to be smart. So I'm thinking to get a new smartphone. Actually, I have iPad right now and I'd used iPhone, blackberry, wm and android phone which was galaxy s, so I want to try new. And I don't really care of how many apps are in the market. I need only some crucial apps such as Skype.
My priority thing when Im getting new smartphone is Internet browsing, map, and multimedia functions which are camera, music and video. N8 is very suitable for my preference but I just worry about the OS. Some said symbian^3 is not good enough to be compared with iOS and android while the other said it's the best OS for heavy user or geeks.
Can anybody help me to make a decision? I nearly made my decision but after I've read some reviews from website such as engadget and cnet, I'm seriously thinking if it's good decision to get it.
Please help me folks
Why are you asking this here? This has nothing to do with Windows Phone.
We cant make a decision for you only you can. What do we know what you like.
I'm going to scratch my head.
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[Q] How To Get Free Phones for App Development?

I recently posted a thread on how I can start programming geared towards the mobile platforms.
I would like to develop apps for more than one mobile platform. However I just have access to an Android device (SE Xperia X10), iPhone 4, and an iPad 2.
Smartphones are not like candies, that you can go pickup at a cheap store.
I mean how and where can I and other people who want to develop apps for specific platforms get free phones for testing and using the apps we develop?
The emulator that is included with the SDKs are not always the best way to test.
Any suggestions? All help is appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that recently Windows Phone called over WebOS developers to develop applications on the WP platform, and Windows gave the developers free devices. But there are not many WebOS devs out there..
The best and fastest way to require a "demo" phone is doing the following.
Just get in touch with the companies that are creating the phones.
Explain your development and give them a nice overview on what your app is, what it does and how things go.
Make sure you don't demand a phone but wish to test run it on certain specific devices with key features that are a "+" in your app.
I think you'll have a chance to receive a demo phone.
Btw don't expect you'll be able to keep that phone forever.
I recently contacted HP to request an Elite-book from them for business usage.
Explained the plans and deals and after a few days i received one.
I need to return it by end of this year.(aawww )
Did same thing for some phones for my company
I think it depends on what you wanna test and how high your requirements are.
Also i think it's best to mail on behalf of someone working in the industry or on behalf of a company.
They had my company info in case of argument.
Sites like XDA got enough rep to request them and be trusted.
Individual guy asking for a phone is "50/50" chance. (depends on the person processing your mail and your info & app your working on)
One thread is enough: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1237030

[Q] How much $ to switch to Blackberry?

I am starting a new job soon that requires I use a Blackberry.
It's a small firm with outsourced IT. When I asked if I could use my Android, they said "no, we're not technologically advanced" and that was the end of it.
Here are my options:
1) They will provide me with a Blackberry (and pay for it) to keep up on my work e-mail, and I continue to carry around my android for personal use. I hate the idea of two devices.
2) They will allow me to port my phone number to their account, buy me a blackberry, and pay for the phone and my minutes/data plan. So, I will save the $80/month I spend on my current phone/data plan.
I have read there are ways to make Android phones work with BES, but let's assume that is not a possibility here.
Is $80/month in savings *12 = $960 a year enough for you to use only a Blackberry?
I don't think that is a question you should ask public. You need to consider advantages and disadvantages of using Blackberry instead of Android. I've recently switched from Blackberry to Galaxy S2 (I will NOT use iPhone even if they paid me) and I don't think I could use Blackberry again.
of course, if Blackberry is able to do everything you need to do, $960 a year sounds like a good deal but are you going to be satisfied with Blackberry?
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carry the two devices..
A blackberry is still by far and away the best pure communications device.. and the modern 9900/9930 phones are really excellent..in design, build quality and performance.
The drawback is that the fun/infotainment value is not there is a 2.6" screen so coming from android you may feel that its not much fun.. and it isnt..
Secondly, note that companies run BES for a reason, and understand what that means.. I recommend that you keep work & private separate.
Hmm, quite a conundrum. As the guys above said, it's really down to your personal choice but just like you I'd find it hard to decide as I'd also hate having two devices but would miss my s2 too much. However, that is a big saving over the year and that might be enough for me to make the switch. Only you can decide tho my friend!

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