i have boon looking around and havent seen this brought up (hopefully not just because it is a stupid question)but it appears from all he phone sites that the spint touch pro will have a faster processor than the verizon version. if i was to purchase the sprint release could it be used on verizons network?
dont laugh at me if the question is a ridiculous one. at least just answer it out of pity.
spanks
i think they are different network technologies so I serisouly doubt it but I could be wrong. Wiat on someone to confirm but doubtful in my limited knowledge. Even if it could, it would have to be SIM unlocked for sure
The Sprint and Verizon networks are both CDMA, which means that SIM cards are not used (and that their radio networks are compatible). Instead, the phones have unique IDs that need to be activated by the carrier. The problem is, most carriers (Sprint is one, I believe), will not activate a phone they did not sell. Verizon has an open policy (supposedly), so you might get them to activate a Sprint phone.
I'm sure there are ways around this with the right connections (and cost), but I'm not familiar with them. They are probably the same ways that phones are cloned for illegal use of others' cell plans, so I don't think you want to go that route. Try calling the carrier you want to switch to and ask. They'll probably say "no", but it can't hurt to check.
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i have boon looking around and havent seen this brought up (hopefully not just because it is a stupid question)but it appears from all he phone sites that the spint touch pro will have a faster processor than the verizon version. if i was to purchase the sprint release could it be used on verizons network?
dont laugh at me if the question is a ridiculous one. at least just answer it out of pity.
spanks
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According to this article you should be able to and its right from the horses mouth!
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2277399,00.asp
a fast way to do it is to say your having issues with the internet on sprint and thaat 6 digit code they give u will be the Subsidy lock
These guys in my area selling phones from Sprint and claiming they can put them on Verizon and vice versa. They are also selling phones like the Droid 2 and Pro, claiming to put them on T-Mobile. I know those are world phones with GSM capabilities but I did not think for the U.S. I always thought this was not possible. Can someone tell me if I am wrong?
i'd be very careful about dealing with them.
you can take a sprint phone and put it on verizon. you'll have to edit the esn on the phone which is illegal, but it can be done.
as far as putting a verizon phone on t-mobile, thats impossible afaik. unless these devices have north american gsm frequencies, it won't work. however if they do support NA frequencies, it would be possible.
Is this what they do when they talk about spoofing esns or something like that. I think I have an idea of what your talking about. I do not deal with them because I know they are less than reputable. But is that spoofing or whatever?
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These guys in my area selling phones from Sprint and claiming they can put them on Verizon and vice versa. They are also selling phones like the Droid 2 and Pro, claiming to put them on T-Mobile. I know those are world phones with GSM capabilities but I did not think for the U.S. I always thought this was not possible. Can someone tell me if I am wrong?
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The Droid 2 Global and Droid Pro DO have GSM capabilities, however as far as I know and from video reviews, if you put the phone in GSM ("Global" mode)with an domestic (American) SIM card, it'll shut of the GSM radio. Stupid, I know. But they know people will just take the phone to T-Mobile and AT&T. This is even after they give you the unlock code. It's part of the software itself.
Now in regards to Sprint, they are SUPPOSED to put other carriers' phones on their networks, however you will not find any employee who will do it for you. Unless you edit the ESN number, which, as someone stated, is illegal, they won't activate it. Other carriers, such as MetroPCS will flash any CDMA phone to their network (although data might not work, usually). Local Boost Mobile stores MIGHT be nice enough to activate a Sprint phone for you. Virgin Mobile, although they run on Sprint, won't.
Yes they would be spoofing the esn from another device so the carrier will see it as a compatible for their system.
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I thought it was funny business but like I said, I just wanted to make sure. Thanks guys
Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
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Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
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You have a legitimate complaint to file with the FCC. On behalf of all those who own an S3, please contact them.
Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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Have you by chance read the law?
You don't actually believe the "future update" crap do you?
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Have you by chance read the law?
You don't actually believe the "future update" crap do you?
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If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
Edit: Even if you're in the "Screw Verizon" crowd, there is much more incentive for them to unlock the GSM capabilities than to not. It would allow them to say "Hey look! We have the best coverage in the US, AND you can use it all over the world!", which is fantastic marketing.
For them to say they're going to unlock that and to not do it is marketing suicide. And if Verizon does one thing right, it's their marketing.
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You have a legitimate complaint to file with the FCC. On behalf of all those who own an S3, please contact them.
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Legitimate complaint??
Are you kidding me, where do people come up with this BS??
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If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
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Verizon IS screwing us though, again! Look at our bootloader and everyone else's, the rest of the world. And if this phone is a world phone with gsm capabilities, why lock it to begin with then promise to unlock it soon "in the future"? Do you actually believe that crap?
Put in an AT&T or T-Mobile sim in your phone first BEFORE rooting, it'll ask you for a sim unlock code, enter 000000 or 123456, that should unlock it. If it doesn't ask for a code, don't worry about it, root the phone (at your own risk) using the "Root66" method on this forum. Then go to this thread, whether you were able to unlock it with those generic codes or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1775566
Read all the instructions. You should be able to get voice and SMS working for any gsm carrier, and you should be able to get 2G (maybe also 3G and HSPA+ on some gsm carriers) working, you'll have to find their APN settings and manually switch to those using the instruction in the linked page though. 2G has been confirmed working on AT&T and t-mobile, no one has been able to test 3G and HSPA+ on AT&T yet. Good luck.
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If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
Edit: Even if you're in the "Screw Verizon" crowd, there is much more incentive for them to unlock the GSM capabilities than to not. It would allow them to say "Hey look! We have the best coverage in the US, AND you can use it all over the world!", which is fantastic marketing.
For them to say they're going to unlock that and to not do it is marketing suicide. And if Verizon does one thing right, it's their marketing.
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Legitimate complaint??
Are you kidding me, where do people come up with this BS??
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AlexDeGruven said:
Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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BS, you say? Off base, you say?
Here's the regulations regarding any device sold by Verizon as a "4g capable" phone...
ยง 27.16 Network access requirements for Block C in the 746-757 and 776-787
MHz bands.
(a) Applicability. This section shall apply only to the authorizations
for Block C in the 746-757 and 776-787 MHz bands assigned and only if
the results of the first auction in which licenses for such
authorizations are offered satisfied the applicable reserve price.
(b) Use of devices and applications. Licensees offering service on
spectrum subject to this section shall not deny, limit, or restrict the
ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their
choice on the licensee's C Block network, except:
(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical
standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the
licensee's network, or
(2) As required to comply with statute or applicable government
regulation.
(c) Technical standards. For purposes of paragraph (b)(1) of this
section:
(1) Standards shall include technical requirements reasonably necessary
for third parties to access a licensee's network via devices or
applications without causing objectionable interference to other
spectrum users or jeopardizing network security. The potential for
excessive bandwidth demand alone shall not constitute grounds for
denying, limiting or restricting access to the network.
(2) To the extent a licensee relies on standards established by an
independent standards-setting body which is open to participation by
representatives of service providers, equipment manufacturers,
application developers, consumer organizations, and other interested
parties, the standards will carry a presumption of reasonableness.
(3) A licensee shall publish its technical standards, which shall be
non-proprietary, no later than the time at which it makes such
standards available to any preferred vendors, so that the standards are
readily available to customers, equipment manufacturers, application
developers, and other parties interested in using or developing
products for use on a licensee's networks.
(d) Access requests. (1) Licensees shall establish and publish clear
and reasonable procedures for parties to seek approval to use devices
or applications on the licensees' networks. A licensee must also
provide to potential customers notice of the customers' rights to
request the attachment of a device or application to the licensee's
network, and notice of the licensee's process for customers to make
such requests, including the relevant network criteria.
(2) If a licensee determines that a request for access would violate
its technical standards or regulatory requirements, the licensee shall
expeditiously provide a written response to the requester specifying
the basis for denying access and providing an opportunity for the
requester to modify its request to satisfy the licensee's concerns.
(e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on
handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are
compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of
this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks.
(f) Burden of proof. Once a complainant sets forth a prima facie case
that the C Block licensee has refused to attach a device or application
in violation of the requirements adopted in this section, the licensee
shall have the burden of proof to demonstrate that it has adopted
reasonable network standards and reasonably applied those standards in
the complainant's case. Where the licensee bases its network
restrictions on industry-wide consensus standards, such restrictions
would be presumed reasonable.
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If that's too much to read, or too hard to comprehend, let me point out the specific part of those regulations...
(e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on
handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are
compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of
this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks.
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Still too much.. let me make it a little clearer...
nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks
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But Verizon says, and admits, no, you cannot have the unlock code to make your device available for use on other networks like they did for the OP.
But Verizon says, and will supposedly, release an "update" to allow this feature. Mind you- a feature it was required by the above regulation to come with out of the box. So exactly when, will Verizon comply with the Regs? When someone complains loudly enough, that's when.
I'm open to discuss this, and it's meaning and how the FCC will interpret it but from where I'm sitting, it's pretty clear. The OP does, infact, have a legitimate complaint. I ain't full of **** nor off base.
How many other devices has Verizon released that do not comply with the above regulations? It isn't just the S3, that's for sure. It won't end here either unless we petition the powers that be to force them to comply, or, give up the block C frequencies for re-auction to a company who will comply.
Frankly, I'm disgusted with the pro-Verizon rhetoric that's invaded XDA recently. Are they astroturfing for Verizon? How does anyone find Verizon's business practices acceptable? I like Verizon for the pipe it offers me, not for meddling with my phones and rendering the software on my phone obsolete because it's locked out third party developers and the powers that be decide it "isn't worth putting the newest OS on" is a good enough excuse to scam you into purchasing a new phone.
newuser134 said:
Put in an AT&T or T-Mobile sim in your phone first BEFORE rooting, it'll ask you for a sim unlock code, enter 000000 or 123456.....
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If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
roachkv said:
If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
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Doesn't work the other way around.
roachkv said:
If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
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It's not as simple as just switching the sim card on Verizon. Unlike the GSM networks, Verizon only allows devices that already have their ESN/MEID in the system.
Yes, should be working with proper steps..
ahanecurren said:
Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
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This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1775566&page=10 has a lot of information. My post #95 details the steps that I have taken, and I can confirm that I was able to get it to work with a T-Mobile card. I am heading to Russia and will test it there in GSM mode with a local card. I have an HTC Incredible 2 world phone as backup which I know works.
The key is that you must use HiAPN to be able to edit/change the internal APN setting to allow for other Sim cards. ALso load Phone Info to change the radio setting. I've already loaded APN's for three different Russian companies and hope that I can just pop them in, change the APN, change the radio and be good to go.
Hope this helps.
Great Post!
My friend do you hang out in the irc channels too?
I have a question:
I am currently using the verizon samsung galaxy s3 (SCH-I535) and will be moving to Japan in September, what can you recommend me to do? I want to be able of use the s3 with either 3g, LTE oe 2g with any carrier in Japan. I know if I unlock the phone via root and unlock I can use the softbank (japan carrier) for call/text 2g not data plan though. But If that is the only thing I can do I will get a pocket wifi so I can have data wherever I go that way.
Any recommendations? I still can't understand about the global unlocking update coming to verizon s3 ?
Thank you in advance!
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BS, you say? Off base, you say?
Here's the regulations regarding any device sold by Verizon as a "4g capable" phone...
If that's too much to read, or too hard to comprehend, let me point out the specific part of those regulations...
Still too much.. let me make it a little clearer...
But Verizon says, and admits, no, you cannot have the unlock code to make your device available for use on other networks like they did for the OP.
But Verizon says, and will supposedly, release an "update" to allow this feature. Mind you- a feature it was required by the above regulation to come with out of the box. So exactly when, will Verizon comply with the Regs? When someone complains loudly enough, that's when.
I'm open to discuss this, and it's meaning and how the FCC will interpret it but from where I'm sitting, it's pretty clear. The OP does, infact, have a legitimate complaint. I ain't full of **** nor off base.
How many other devices has Verizon released that do not comply with the above regulations? It isn't just the S3, that's for sure. It won't end here either unless we petition the powers that be to force them to comply, or, give up the block C frequencies for re-auction to a company who will comply.
Frankly, I'm disgusted with the pro-Verizon rhetoric that's invaded XDA recently. Are they astroturfing for Verizon? How does anyone find Verizon's business practices acceptable? I like Verizon for the pipe it offers me, not for meddling with my phones and rendering the software on my phone obsolete because it's locked out third party developers and the powers that be decide it "isn't worth putting the newest OS on" is a good enough excuse to scam you into purchasing a new phone.
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Verizon S3 Global Root Unlock
Can anyone tell me if i did this root and global unlock does that mean i can put a international verizon wireless plan and use it overseas or is this just to be able to use international SIM's?
I'm going to say it would be for local pre-paid SIMs only. If you call into Verizon and try to get international data on your line, it will throw up serious red flags for them. Verizon doesn't support (officially) this device to be used abroad yet. So if you call in saying you got it unlocked, you may get into a bit of a sticky situation.
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I'm going to say it would be for local pre-paid SIMs only. If you call into Verizon and try to get international data on your line, it will throw up serious red flags for them. Verizon doesn't support (officially) this device to be used abroad yet. So if you call in saying you got it unlocked, you may get into a bit of a sticky situation.
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Alternatively, one could do it, get into this sticky situation with them and invite the FCC in on the conversation.
I would love to have VZW chew my ass for some **** that they agreed to not block, just to turn around and use their information against them.
Oh, wait.. that's what I did with my FCC complaint! :silly:
ancashion said:
Alternatively, one could do it, get into this sticky situation with them and invite the FCC in on the conversation.
I would love to have VZW chew my ass for some **** that they agreed to not block, just to turn around and use their information against them.
Oh, wait.. that's what I did with my FCC complaint! :silly:
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I never read anything about a grace period in the block c regulations so I wonder how vzw can get away with dragging their feet with the damn global unlock? I don't get why it's taking them so long. You won't be able to use it on say at&t or T-Mobile when it gets unlocked will you?
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I never read anything about a grace period in the block c regulations so I wonder how vzw can get away with dragging their feet with the damn global unlock? I don't get why it's taking them so long. You won't be able to use it on say at&t or T-Mobile when it gets unlocked will you?
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You should be able to provided your radio is compatible with the others network. That was the nature of block c's "openness" or the idea behind it anyways.
Vzw challenged the block c regs in court, after they made the purchase, and lost. I think they are being defiant on purpose.
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How to unlock and set up your SGS3 phone for world use.
I fyou have not yet seen this, go to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314 and it will walk you through the steps that worked for me to use the Verizon Galaxy S3 overseas in GSM mode.
If it helps, give a thanks!
I'm writing a paper on Android bootloaders and security, profitability, and network performance and would like to get some of the enthusiast community's opinion.
The paper is framed as an internal proposal to Verizon Wireless management proposing further investigation into their current policies. Part of the paper involves investigating if Verizon Wireless (or ATT even) changing their locked bootloader policies and generally being more dev friendly would encourage those of us who have left them to return. This could provide a profit incentive by gaining new customers. While this would certainly not be a scientific poll, it should do for the purposes of a college paper.
So, again, the question is, would Verizon Wireless changing their locked bootloader policies cause those of you who left to return?
Please clarify your response below, and tell me if there's another option you'd like added to the poll.
JesusFreak316 said:
So, again, the question is, would Verizon Wireless changing their locked bootloader policies cause those of you who left to return?
Please clarify your response below, and tell me if there's another option you'd like added to the poll.
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For me to return to Verizon they would have to:
Allow bootloader unlocking.
Allow carrier unlocked phones on their network.
Allow their phones to be carrier unlocked to work on other networks.
Not charge so damn much.
Honestly, I don't think that your proposal would make any difference in profits. You could ask 100 random smartphone owners about the bootloader on their phone and maybe one or 2 could even have a clue what the bootloader is/does, and what an unlocked one means vs a locked one.
Planterz said:
For me to return to Verizon they would have to:
Allow bootloader unlocking.
Allow carrier unlocked phones on their network.
Allow their phones to be carrier unlocked to work on other networks.
Not charge so damn much.
Honestly, I don't think that your proposal would make any difference in profits. You could ask 100 random smartphone owners about the bootloader on their phone and maybe one or 2 could even have a clue what the bootloader is/does, and what an unlocked one means vs a locked one.
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Thanks for your input.
Hopefully carrier unlocked phones will happen with VoLTE only phones, but that's still speculating now as to whether the FCC band 13 restrictions apply to other services and not just data.
Little known fact, but Verizon is the only carrier that has to have all their LTE devices be carrier unlocked due to the aforementioned FCC rules.
Heh, that last reason is mostly what I meant by other reasons in the poll.
Certainly, I know the enthusiast community is barely a drop in the bucket compared to everyone else, but what I'm wondering is if they are not only missing out on revenue, but are also spending money on extra locks for the devices that don't really protect the network, as nothing on XDA can touch the modem. It's a case of why not, with possibly good publicity in the influential tech community.
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Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
TechOut said:
Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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I have sprint so I hope CDMA is there for BYOD
According to OnePlus.net ut only supports T-Mobile AT&T and U.S Cellular. Such a shame that they make such a good device at an awesome price and its only compatible with half the major us carriers
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
Dabarr said:
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
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No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
zelendel said:
No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
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You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
Josh LaCelle said:
You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
Josh LaCelle said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
Pater Draco said:
That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
Josh LaCelle said:
I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
Pater Draco said:
What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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Obviously you can't read or like to argue with someone.
Pater Draco said:
You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
TechOut said:
It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
Josh LaCelle said:
Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Still works though not all bands are required. It may affect signal in some areas but not all
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
Eric214 said:
Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs you can put a sim in and use it on 3G just fine. Verizon does use band 13 but you dont need all bands for it to work. Sprint does whitelist IMEIs so it will not work on sprint period
Pater Draco said:
What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
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I can't tell if your trolling or if you're genuinely a nasty person....
1. " take any device that DOESN'T support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM" I assume you meant that many Chinese devices DO use CDMA. Because what you said is incorrect. On top of that, not all CDMA bands are the same, so of course Chinese CDMA phones won't register on Verizon's network.
2. You can't dismiss his experiences either, or mine. I use non certified, lacking bands CDMA devices on Verizon's network without any major issues. Granted it's not optimal service, but it's the compromise of not having to carry two phones.
3. Sounds like you have some hate complex for people who live in the US. Only 10% of XDA users? Where'd you find that, and why is it important?
Eric214 said:
Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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TechOut said:
It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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I have a 1+3T. It has two of of three Verizon LTE bands: 2,4 but not 13. It also has CDMA band BC0. I have my personal SIM on ATT and my company's is Verizon. That is correct, if you enable LTE, it's slower speed than normal and calls and text don't come through. I leave my ATT on primary data so it works out pretty good. I hate carrying two phones. You don't have to get them to add a IMEI number, just activate the SIM on a Verizon phone and then pop it into the Oneplus.
The 1+6 on the other hands has CDMA bands BC0 and BC1, so hopefully that improves 3G connection. Stupid that they ignore the largest US carrier and not put band 13 in there. In a couple years everything will be on LTE anyways. I'm very curious why LTE disables calls and texts......any ideas?
Just sad to see no CDMA support on such a growing phone I like the Oneplus so much I may go to T-Mobile