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My phone has been running super slow ... called national help desk.. was told i had a OLD 2g sim card... Rep said NEW SIM CARDS have a black TM and then a number on gold side of similar card.. might wanna check yours... after my 4g sim was switched there was a huge increase in 4g internet speed...
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surfnhawaii808 said:
My phone has been running super slow ... called national help desk.. was told i had a OLD 2g sim card... Rep said NEW SIM CARDS have a black TM and then a number on gold side of similar card.. might wanna check yours... after my 4g sim was switched there was a huge increase in 4g internet speed...
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Oooh lord not this BS again. Hey guy why spread these rumors for? Do you work for TMobile and trying to get people to buy SIM Cards for $9.99? The fact is this theory has actually never been proven and there are people like myself who can verify who used 2-3years simcard and saw same speed. But the thing is old simcard had less memory for storage along with limit as how many time it could connect to the network for data connection before burnt out but sim could still be used for voice and edge. There is no such thing 4G simcard lol its just another failed attempt at cheap marketing go test your old "3G" simcard in MT4G and compare it with new "4G" simcard I grantee it you will not see any results, lets not fall for the companies BS okay folks this is what we call placebo effect.

Dude I have no idea what the heck your talking about.. or if you know what your talking about yourself..
Anyway my phone NOW has a UICC 4g sim card now, the old card was NOT A VICC card and help desk Rep said that old sim card should not have been Put in my phone to begin with, it was a oversight on tmos part. (Note it was placed in phone by MANAGER.. LOL!) .. the sim pattern on gold side of sim looks totally different than the gold contact side on old sim card (slow one!) Old Had several sections on the gold contact side, new one has FEW sections. Tmo national help desk verified i had new and correct sim card now. After it was swapped out at tmo, i called help desk back, and they said ".. looking at your phone i now see to have a 4g sim..." and he said its a VICC SIM..
Anyway phone is at least 4x faster on 4g.. i went from 1.2 mbps to 4.2 mbps while at store and with VICC sim... so for me it was the sim, i wouldnt have believed it myself if i had not see it myself on same phone at exact same spot with different sim cards...
Again if your internet is slow and it shows "H" check your sim card.
Again it was free to swap old sim for a new sim .. and it made a huge difference on my phone here in Hawaii.
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Old sim...
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832797.png
NEW VICC SIM....
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832736.png
Pictures speak for themselves...
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BlackSHELF said:
Oooh lord not this BS again. Hey guy why spread these rumors for? Do you work for TMobile and trying to get people to buy SIM Cards for $9.99
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Boy, your a ARROGANT jerk
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Ya I don't know what I'm talking about last time I checked I was the network admin with 2years sIC in telemetry. Matter of fact I know one of the foremost authority in person with PBE as he manage and builds and consults for FCC. You going to teach me the HSPA+ Rv1? Do you even know how to modify the setting manually? Much less access it? Lol @ national desk center. H can mean anything as you can access the data via UTMS and HSDPA. Most problem happens as people like you keep taking it out for silly reasons like this as its delicate. Don't ever confuse defect with standard go find me 4G simcard for GSM.
PS: There is no such thing as VICC 4G SimCard, go find me technical doc for it.
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surfnhawaii808 said:
Old sim...
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832797.png
NEW VICC SIM....
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832736.png
Pictures speak for themselves...
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That proves what your defect card? Do I need to pop my old simcard and take some silly photo with actual network overhead which you can't access and show my point which is direct contradiction to your so called finding which is defect. Go post this in official TMo forum and see what happens lol also bring those national desk techs to join. This is just isolated how come it can't be replicated?
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BlackSHELF said:
Ya I don't know what I'm talking about last time I checked I was the network admin with 2years sIC in telemetry. Matter of fact I know one of the foremost authority in person with PBE as he manage and builds and consults for FCC. You going to teach me the HSPA+ Rv1? Do you even know how to modify the setting manually? Much less access it? Lol @ national desk center. H can mean anything as you can access the data via UTMS and HSDPA. Most problem happens as people like you keep taking it out for silly reasons like this as its delicate. Don't ever confuse defect with standard go find me 4G simcard for GSM.
PS: There is no such thing as VICC 4G SimCard, go find me technical doc for it.
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Dude, all he did was share an experience he had. He didn't tell anyone to go give money to tmo. He had an old card that wasn't working well for whatever reason and a replacement fixed the issue. You may be right about the technicalities in this regard, but nobody respects an arrogant **** even when he is right.
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TJBunch1228 said:
Dude, all he did was share an experience he had. He didn't tell anyone to go give money to tmo. He had an old card that wasn't working well for whatever reason and a replacement fixed the issue. You may be right about the technicalities in this regard, but nobody respects an arrogant **** even when he is right.
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Now if he said that then we wouldn't be having problem. But you have to understand that not everyone is registered in XDA as so many folks just browse web and come here from search. People who don't understand will read it and waste money on thing that haven't been even proven. Like I said it was defect which I can live with that's the beauty of forum if you start a thread lol then post some screenshots then try to push some miss information claiming its correct because some fools at desk center with CompITA certified said so then it has to be corrected. Btw who comes online for respect? You don't have to know me or like me but you will know the truth even when its little bitter. Without people like me they would have a blast at gimmick targeting users who don't know better.
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surfnhawaii808 said:
Old sim...
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832797.png
NEW VICC SIM....
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832736.png
Pictures speak for themselves...
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I have a question about the pics you posted... From the time stamp the old card was tested after you tested the new card? Doesn't tmo cancel the old card to transfer your data to the new one? And you had a minute to power off, switch card, boot up and test again?

crxtasi said:
I have a question about the pics you posted... From the time stamp the old card was tested after you tested the new card? Doesn't tmo cancel the old card to transfer your data to the new one? And you had a minute to power off, switch card, boot up and test again?
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Not to mention that the old sim was done after the new one based on the times....
From my permarooted 1209mhz G2 with CM7 nightly 6

When I had tmobile change my sim card I had to give them the new sim number so they would disable old one and enable new one. That was instantaneous but.... One minute to replace card, retest....?
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Fact: "4G sim cards" are a gimmick..for now at least.
Fact: Older sim cards have had several documented issues with slower data and dropped/missed calls. Why else do you think it is *recommended* to change to the newer versions?
Fact: T-Mobile does NOT charge for a sim swap. However, they do charge (in-store) if you're requesting a new one and don't have the old one with you.
As for the pictures though, I'm gonna call them bogus. I just felt that some things needed subtle clarity without being a douchebag.
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I understand that you're just trying to state the facts and such but the op had success in doing what he did and that's why he's sharing it with us. What other explanation do you have for his success?
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I understand that you're just trying to state the facts and such but the op had success in doing what he did and that's why he's sharing it with us. What other explanation do you have for his success?
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Read the whole thread you will understand it.
1) Original SIM defected.
2) Old SIM deactivated when new activated.
Don't forget explanation means nothing as we want results which means under same condition everyone should be able to replicate it. Then only then can it be called facts as its applicable proven.

surfnhawaii808 said:
Old sim...
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832797.png
NEW VICC SIM....
http://www.speedtest.net/android/35832736.png
Pictures speak for themselves...
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Uicc sim card.... and yes it will make a difference BC old Sims are rated at 90000 connections. The Uicc sim cards are unlimited connections and support faster provisioning.

http://www.justaskgemalto.com/en/communicating/tips/what-uicc-and-how-it-different-sim-card
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sk337sk337 said:
Uicc sim card.... and yes it will make a difference BC old Sims are rated at 90000 connections. The Uicc sim cards are unlimited connections and support faster provisioning.
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Now taking it that since we are using HSPA+ Rv1 the limit is 21mbps which is throttled to 14mbps on MT4G and TMo close to 7mbps now as you can see half of that mostly used on UTMS/HSDPA. Now far as the unlimited connection goes as we are aware of that as I stated but far as provisioning faster tier goes it subjective. As this has been discussed in the past with little to no result.
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http://www.justaskgemalto.com/en/communicating/tips/what-uicc-and-how-it-different-sim-card
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Thank you for not understanding what you read and posting the first thing you found on Google search.

Is there a possibility that this could be explained by an old and worn-out card as opposed to technical differences?
I'm using a 5 year old card and it seems fine.
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Which SIM card is best and why? Yes there is a difference.

I've personally experienced the differences with SIM cards.
Having been with T-Mobile (since Voicestream) I've gone through tons of SIM cards throughout the years. For the heck of it every time I got a new phone I just swapped to the new SIM.*
Ok so let's talk present day. I've noticed that the SIM cards have been changing. The large gold surface area is now small etc...
* Recently (past few years) before all the smart phones started to pop up like crazy, I was using the same SIM card with several devices. I remember getting crappy data speeds at one point then I swapped out to a newer SIM and it was night and day.
Now it looks like the newest SIM's are marked with an, "activate by," date. I wonder if there are limits to how many times that SIM can connect to the network?
Anyhow, anyone with advanced knowledge about SIM's, your input would be greatly appreciated. I find it a pretty interesting topic due to my personal experience. There has to be something with the changes that do effect the data speeds for example.
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"SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE HAVING CONNECTION ISSUES, COULD IT BE PERHAPS YOUR SIM?"

the reps at a store just told me to makr sure I used the new sim card they gave me because only their new ones allow for the 4g network
they have a diff design hatched in the gold
but u r correct in noticing the difference
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rich2thad said:
the reps at a store just told me to makr sure I used the new sim card they gave me because only their new ones allow for the 4g network
they have a diff design hatched in the gold
but u r correct in noticing the difference
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That's odd, I'm still using my sim from my old G1 and I hit 9018kbits when I did a speed test a couple of days ago.
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rich2thad said:
the reps at a store just told me to makr sure I used the new sim card they gave me because only their new ones allow for the 4g network
they have a diff design hatched in the gold
but u r correct in noticing the difference
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Interesting as figured. Thanks for your input.

well in their defense , they said new sim card in respect to at some point in time they changed how thw sim cards were made and was concern if i had an old one seeing as I've been with then for years...
but
ugh I wish I got speeds like that northern cali speeds suck ...
in sacramento I get maybe 1mb if I'm lucky usually around 0.85mb/s
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I just switched sim cards one day ago. I switched to the one that came with the phone. I notice no difference at all. The old one had been in my vibrant for about 7 months. T mobile rep told me that the only difference in sims(size of gold area) is how many contacts they will hold. I do not believe that for a minute. I just sold my Nexus One and it would not recognize the sims with the smaller gold contact area. I have been told so much BS from CS and tech reps at tmobile that I rarely believe any thing they say at this point. I am getting a replacement phone which should arrive on Monday. I just hope that it is free of most of the issues that my present one has or what I have seen listed in these threads. I really really like this phone just hope either it is issue free or the issues are addressed by LG right away if not I will send back and cancel the order. This phone has potential to be THE Beast of the the Bunch!!!!

I just got a new sim card with smaller gold area for my N1 and it works fine.
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davehasninjas said:
That's odd, I'm still using my sim from my old G1 and I hit 9018kbits when I did a speed test a couple of days ago.
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I'm also using one that I got with my G1 and am pulling down almost 6mb myself. The TMo rep stated that my SIM will work just fine, and it does. But if I notice slow speeds, I should just activate the new one and put that in.
Side note, anybody know how to activate it to your account without having to go through the completely clueless IVR? Perhaps through their website?

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Side note, anybody know how to activate it to your account without having to go through the completely clueless IVR? Perhaps through their website?
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Closest I know of is doing a chat session with a rep through their web site. I have only swapped SIMs once when I switched to the Nexus One and had the 3G connection issues (didn't have them with the G1). Went smooth and had no problems.

I work at a retail store and the newest SIMs have a matte white finish to them and have the numbers "5.0.0.1" on the bottom. I don't know if it gets you faster speeds , but generally these ones fix most customers connection problems.
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I'm having super nasty reboot issues, but I also have the SIM from my T-Mobile Wing still so I'm going to go swap it tomorrow and see if it at least helps.

I just chatted with T-Mobile customer rep online and she swap for me in 5 mins. Painless process.

Been curious lately myself. To Tmobiles reps surprise when I told them. (After they said I wouldnt have 3g or 4g) I told them I am still using my simcard from 2003.. from my Nokia 3650! I use it in my G1, I have used it in my HD2 with Android and Better windows rom for HSPA (4g) just fine..
Reps didnt really believe I am using that old of a sim card. I am however. Data speed seems fine to me. Wouldnt mind being proven wrong if a new sim style has faster speed.
I will believe the new sim cards have larger space for contacts tho.
The main reason I think there are new sim cards and they are being pushed, is due to sim cloning. Older sim cards could be cloned so you could put multiple numbers on 1 sim, or just clone it to prevent swapping. Newer sim cards however, cant really be cloned. So if you want my thoughts, its not about the data, its about the security.

That's a good observations.
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rich2thad said:
well in their defense , they said new sim card in respect to at some point in time they changed how thw sim cards were made and was concern if i had an old one seeing as I've been with then for years...
but
ugh I wish I got speeds like that northern cali speeds suck ...
in sacramento I get maybe 1mb if I'm lucky usually around 0.85mb/s
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I am in Northern Ca too, and I am getting between 2.5-4M down, and 1.1-3 Up

As far as how GSM works i know the carriers network information is on the sim card not the phone. Hence why you can swap GSM carriers on your phone at any time. The sim card carries the prl which instructs the phone what towers to use. So getting a new sim card once or twice a year would seem like a good idea.
This is my guessamation lol
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Older SIM cards, unlike the newer ones, have an activation limit (usually ~90,000 or so). Once this limit is reached, the SIM card will not connect to the network anymore. The 'activation' event occurs each time your modem connects to a new cell radio on the towers. This wasn't a large issue with GSM/EDGE because they had a larger cell radius and your phone would use data less. With HSPA(+), your phone can make hundreds of connections in a day, sometimes thousands.

JaiaV said:
Older SIM cards, unlike the newer ones, have an activation limit (usually ~90,000 or so). Once this limit is reached, the SIM card will not connect to the network anymore. The 'activation' event occurs each time your modem connects to a new cell radio on the towers. This wasn't a large issue with GSM/EDGE because they had a larger cell radius and your phone would use data less. With HSPA(+), your phone can make hundreds of connections in a day, sometimes thousands.
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Never seen or heard this one before. I mean using it since 2003 to now. I would be sure over my time and travel I wouldve connected that much and more.

First off - there is supposedly a problem for Wifi calling and the G2X and the TM9177 sim card,
many seem to find that switching to an older TM9073 (or TM9035) SIM card fixes the wifi calling problem.
see: http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/10103?tstart=0
see: http://support.t-mobile.com/message/68263
I had the older TM9073 which worked great for 2g/3g/HSPA+/wifi calling- but it died on me while traveling for work, and I was fortunately able to stop by a T-mobile store, and they gave me a new SIM --- the TM9177 --- which works fine for 2g/3g/HSPA+... but wifi calling is a mixed bag, it works on some ROMS, but not otthers.. whereas before the TM9073 works for all ROMs.

arvonn said:
First off - there is supposedly a problem for Wifi calling and the G2X and the TM9177 sim card,
many seem to find that switching to an older TM9073 (or TM9035) SIM card fixes the wifi calling problem.
see: http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/10103?tstart=0
see: http://support.t-mobile.com/message/68263
I had the older TM9073 which worked great for 2g/3g/HSPA+/wifi calling- but it died on me while traveling for work, and I was fortunately able to stop by a T-mobile store, and they gave me a new SIM --- the TM9177 --- which works fine for 2g/3g/HSPA+... but wifi calling is a mixed bag, it works on some ROMS, but not otthers.. whereas before the TM9073 works for all ROMs.
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+ 1 my new SIM didn't like wifi calling at all... but switched to the TM9073 and never had a problem since on any rom.
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Samsug Infuse Sim Card Problem/Compatibility

So I just got my Samsubg Infuse however when I switched the sim card from my Atrix to the Infuse the Infuse could not read my sim card...I get the "Sim Card Not Installed"message. So I went to 1 AT&T retail store and 1 AT&T device support store to have them switch out my sim card and after THREE new sim cards NOTHING (keep in mind these are all the "newer" sim cards AT&T gives out with no design on the front)...I keep getting the same message.
SO I tried an OLDER sim card I had sitting around (the "OLDER" version with the "3G" symbol on the front) and it indeed did read it. So what I did was call AT&T and had them switch my account to the "older version" sim card I had an VOILA everything works...so i thought stranger...such a new phone but it would not work with the newer sim cards AT&T store gives out....
So I talked to Samsung directly and told them that I think I had a defective device...they said NO because it reads my older sim card and I went on and on about how the only sim cards AT&T issue are the newer ones...they said they will open a ticket blah blah blah...Im hoping I can get a new device because if I ever had to sell this out or need a new sim card I'll be SCREWED....
But I was wondering what sim cards are you guys using...the newer AT&T one or the older "3G" one...plus does anybody know of anything I can try...
I tried resetting the APN, hard reset, soft reset, battery pull etc etc...but nothing...

Using the new one without the design on the front. No problems here sorry... I would say your device is faulty
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No problems here either i have the newer sim card with the half white half blue and the numbers.
they did give me a brand new one but i have no use for it since i have mine and it worked. keep it as a back up i guess

is there a difference between these 2 cards...because supposedly the newer sim cards are "4G" enabled and the older one is 3G enabled...

dietanson said:
is there a difference between these 2 cards...because supposedly the newer sim cards are "4G" enabled and the older one is 3G enabled...
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I had heard that from a Rep when I asked about 4g on the Atrix she said there would be new similar cards...
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Well i ran a speedtest and my infuse seems to be right around par with everyone elses. 5.3 down and 1.3 up. So i guess the card doesnt make a difference...

dietanson said:
Well i ran a speedtest and my infuse seems to be right around par with everyone elses. 5.3 down and 1.3 up. So i guess the card doesnt make a difference...
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Do you have the h+ symbol for your cell connection?
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I'm using a Infuse with a 3G Cingular branded card and it works fine (H+, yada yada).

All smoke and mirrors, friend.
dietanson said:
is there a difference between these 2 cards...because supposedly the newer sim cards are "4G" enabled and the older one is 3G enabled...
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h8rift said:
All smoke and mirrors, friend.
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yeah...thought so too...but yeah I do have the H+ logo and stuff...

Any new info on switching back and forth between LTE phones and Standard 3G phones?

Given the TBolt has the sim card, it seems it would be a little crazy to switch back and forth (if not impossible). This issue was touched a while ago, but is there an easier way yet? I guess anytime you wanted to switch back to the tBolt you needed to get a new SIM card. Is this still the case? Or can you use the website to switch back and forth between phones.
Reason I am asking is that I would like to use the iPhone during my work day since all of our machines are Apple based... and tBolt any other time. It just doesn't seem possible unless something changed?

I was also wondering how this would work. I have several phones and, until recently when I got my Tbolt, would switch between them quite often. Now with my first 4G phone, I wasn't sure that would work. From your post, it sounds like I could go online and switch from my Bolt to one of my 3g devices as I always have, but going back to the 4g Bolt might be a problem? I don't have 4g in my area, but I really am liking my bolt and don't feel the itch to switch devices yet, but I would like to be able to have the option.

Why not just call VZW and ask ?
That would be the easy way to answer your question.
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jbh00jh said:
Why not just call VZW and ask ?
That would be the easy way to answer your question.
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They give different answers each time you call! Depends who you talk to.

if it helps, sim cards are sim cards and the one in the tb (though it works in a slightly different way than what would be normal for a sim) is the same as any other sim card. However, if you switch to activating a 3g phone without a sim card, they will deactivate your tb sim card for sure. They may even if you don't, just because they're verizon and are slightly clueless on how sim cards work still.

psufan5 said:
Given the TBolt has the sim card, it seems it would be a little crazy to switch back and forth (if not impossible). This issue was touched a while ago, but is there an easier way yet? I guess anytime you wanted to switch back to the tBolt you needed to get a new SIM card. Is this still the case? Or can you use the website to switch back and forth between phones.
Reason I am asking is that I would like to use the iPhone during my work day since all of our machines are Apple based... and tBolt any other time. It just doesn't seem possible unless something changed?
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Can you ever switch phones online without calling Verizon. I have never been able to do it other than when setting up maybe a new phone but never switching back to an old one. Good luck though it would be nice to be able to freely switch. I have a DInc and OG Droid just sitting here
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Switching from 4g to 3g phones you have to call in each time
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I have tried switching from 3g phone to 4g phone and it is a pain. You need to call or go into the store and get a new sim card each time. The minute you place a 3g device on your 4g account the sim card is deactivated.
I switch back and forth now because i talked the store manager into giving me a few sim cards. You can also call every other day and have the customer service send you a new one. They are free but some stores will try to charge you.
Once you have the sim card all you need to do is turn off the 3g phone, place the new sim card in and it should activate itself.

Wow thats pretty sad that its this difficult.

I had tried this once and it brought up a question that I did not have the guts to answer myself. If you went back to 3g for a short while then afterwards reactivated on 4g would you loose the grandfathered unlimited data?
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theryanguy said:
I had tried this once and it brought up a question that I did not have the guts to answer myself. If you went back to 3g for a short while then afterwards reactivated on 4g would you loose the grandfathered unlimited data?
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No since you aren't changing your plan
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Just talked to a VZW rep on the phone, who I'm assuming went to talk to a supervisor or a tech, and she said as long as I keep the sim card in a place where the gold contacts don't get harmed (like in the phone), then I can keep the same sim card between activations, I just have to either call in to switch back to the TB or activate it online.. She talked to someone about this after I asked if I could have a few sent to me, so I'm assuming whomever told her this at least had some knowledge on the situation, but I guess we'll find out when it's time to switch back

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No since you aren't changing your plan
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Awesome, thanks.
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the verizon rep that told you you can keep the sim card between activations is wrong. The sim card for verizon doesnt store any data its just basically a key to there 4g service. They can only be used for one activation and once they are deactivated they are dead. The only way to switch back and forth would be to have a surplus of sim cards. You would still have to call in and have them activate the new sim card before using it.
Ii have done this a few times on my thunderbolt so I know from experience.

Not sure on that having multiple SIM cards is right. I have switched between my DX and Tbolt numerous times and never gotten a new sim card. I do have to call every time when reactivating the bolt though.
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I can't see how this would work since LTE and gsm cards aren't compatible. If you could do that, you could drop it in most of the decent BlackBerrys and run... But ya can't. Anyone telling you that you can isn't at all familiar with the specs.

What a pain in the butt.
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just my experience...
Using the My Account web site, I can...
Change between multiple 3G phones, no problems.
Change from 4G/LTE phone to 3G phone, no problems other than... the Web site warns the LTE SIM will be disabled after 90 days of non-use, implying that you could re-use it for up to 90 days, BUT the SIM gets deactivated immediately.
If I try to change from 3G phone to 4G/LTE phone, no problems IF I have a NEW SIM card. If I try to re-use my SIM it fails and I need to call in. When I call in, its hit or miss if they can enter that same SIM back into the System (customer service can't, but tech support has done it) or make me get a new SIM.
I haven't tried switching in about 3 weeks. So I don't know if anything has changed since.
Also, I find it best to complete the equipment change before 11pm eastern, otherwise the device change could get hung up in VZW's switch/system and not complete/clear until the morning.

SIM card/switching from 4G to 3G
psufan5 said:
Given the TBolt has the sim card, it seems it would be a little crazy to switch back and forth (if not impossible). This issue was touched a while ago, but is there an easier way yet? I guess anytime you wanted to switch back to the tBolt you needed to get a new SIM card. Is this still the case? Or can you use the website to switch back and forth between phones.
Reason I am asking is that I would like to use the iPhone during my work day since all of our machines are Apple based... and tBolt any other time. It just doesn't seem possible unless something changed?
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At this time, it is still necessry to relace the SIM card if changing from a 4G device to a 3G device. So, if you were to change devices each day, you would need a new SIM card each time. Please check out our forums for updates at our website. Go to the website for Verizon Wireless, click Contact Us, then Customer Forums. You can also sign up for email updates from this site.
Thank you and have a good day!
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VZWSupport said:
At this time, it is still necessry to relace the SIM card if changing from a 4G device to a 3G device. So, if you were to change devices each day, you would need a new SIM card each time. Please check out our forums for updates at our website. Go to the website for Verizon Wireless, click Contact Us, then Customer Forums. You can also sign up for email updates from this site.
Thank you and have a good day!
Christina B
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verizon actually semi pays attention to xda

Problems

So, I got a SGS2 Skyrocket a few days ago from a guy on craigslist for $400. Great deal, or so I thought. The phone worked well until today, I'm not receiving text messages or phone calls and I cannot send text messages. I first though, "great, I bought a stolen phone and and now it's been disabled." I googled it and it seems that I wouldn't be able to make calls if it had indeed been reported stolen. Any ideas? I restored the device and it didn't help. Thought it was interesting when I went to software update under settings it says "DM initialization is not ready. Check network or sim card." Could I just have a signal problem or something? I have full bars...

Did you get a new 4G LTE sim card for the phone?

No, I didn't. But it was sending texts just fine yesterday and now I'm trying to use the sim on my old phone and it wont send texts either.

Sounds like a sim issue. You might need to head to your ATT store and upgrade your sim card. This should solve your problems. Older sims won't work on the newer 4G phones. I had this issues with my 1st skyrocket and my old sim. It worked for a bit then stopped working, we replaced the old sim with a new one and all was good....

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So, I got a SGS2 Skyrocket a few days ago from a guy on craigslist for $400. Great deal, or so I thought. The phone worked well until today, I'm not receiving text messages or phone calls and I cannot send text messages. I first though, "great, I bought a stolen phone and and now it's been disabled." I googled it and it seems that I wouldn't be able to make calls if it had indeed been reported stolen. Any ideas? I restored the device and it didn't help. Thought it was interesting when I went to software update under settings it says "DM initialization is not ready. Check network or sim card." Could I just have a signal problem or something? I have full bars...
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"Guy......Craigslist"..... = problem?
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I bought mine off Craig's List and experienced the same thing. Your sim from your Captivate will only work briefly for phone/SMS, but not at all for data.
You MUST get a 4G LTE sim card for the Skyrocket and AT&T will change your data plan "type" (same data and price per month, but different line item on the billing).
5 minutes in AT&T and I was good to go.
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Grut said:
Sounds like a sim issue. You might need to head to your ATT store and upgrade your sim card. This should solve your problems. Older sims won't work on the newer 4G phones. I had this issues with my 1st skyrocket and my old sim. It worked for a bit then stopped working, we replaced the old sim with a new one and all was good....
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Dont listen to people like this when they tell u older sims will work for a min then stop. Complete and utter bull****. Me and my friend have the skyrocket and he uses and older version sim and has no problems. The new sim only matters cuz it gives u the lte data plan. Its not gonna stop text from going thru. Such misinformation going on. This is y people are so screwed up
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Justinfedor said:
Dont listen to people like this when they tell u older sims will work for a min then stop. Complete and utter bull****. Me and my friend have the skyrocket and he uses and older version sim and has no problems. The new sim only matters cuz it gives u the lte data plan. Its not gonna stop text from going thru. Such misinformation going on. This is y people are so screwed up
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Really? So if your information is correct, and you are all knowing, then why not help him fix the problem.

First off sounds like a SIM issue. Sim is usually the problem when it comes to network connectivity issues. Did you check the litmus sticker for water exposure?
Call ATT and have them check the IMEI #. You should have done that before you bought the phone.
@Justinfedor: That kind of response is not needed. If you can't say what's on your mind kindly please go somewhere else.

When I got my Skyrocket (moving from Captivate) the sales person said directly I would get a new SIM because the 4G LTE needed a new (assumably different) one. I'm sure you just need to get a new SIM which ATT should do no problem.

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First off sounds like a SIM issue. Sim is usually the problem when it comes to network connectivity issues. Did you check the litmus sticker for water exposure?
Call ATT and have them check the IMEI #. You should have done that before you bought the phone.
@Justinfedor: That kind of response is not needed. If you can't say what's on your mind kindly please go somewhere else.
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4g lte sims are for data. Like i said my friend doesnt have one in his phone. We dont live in an lte area so hes not getting a new one. U all say people need a new sim for a 4g device. Thats a complete lie. Sims can cause the issue but its not always the answer. Oh and i will go somewhere else cuz you all obvisously think you know everything. No need to be in here with a bunch of low life.
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Justinfedor said:
4g lte sims are for data. Like i said my friend doesnt have one in his phone. We dont live in an lte area so hes not getting a new one. U all say people need a new sim for a 4g device. Thats a complete lie. Sims can cause the issue but its not always the answer. Oh and i will go somewhere else cuz you all obvisously think you know everything. No need to be in here with a bunch of low life.
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WOW! Holy childish over-reaction batman!

Can't you just get a new Sim? Worst case, is that your carrier might charge you something like $10.00......
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If that's the way you're going to act, then please leave. I used to work for ATT a while back. What I don't think you get is... You're right and you're wrong. No you don't need a LTE sim. If the sim is bad it can cause connectivity issues, and weird stuff all together. That last statement is what you're completely ignoring.

Justin and X10D3 are correct. I used my sim from my Atrix in my phone since I got it. You'll need to be set up on the LTE plan through att. All that happened is their system doesn't have your account provisioned for LTE and it took a day or so for them to catch it. Login to your account and see if you're on an LTE plan. If not, then call them, but I know my sim is the same one from my Atrix and I've hit LTE areas the whole month in December with no issues. It shouldn't change your rate plan just need it provisioned for your account to register properly with their LTE network.