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This seems to be a daily occurance with Verizon being down on data, no 3G or 4g for hours!!! I was with All-Tel and now Verizon and very very disappointed with this service. This will be our last time to renew our contract!! This is unacceptable service from a big city such as Phoenix. This is not just in one location its all over dam city! Lots of people are posting the very same issue across the whole us. I guess its due to growing pains, so kick back some money to the users that are being screwed paying top $$$ for a service that half the time is down. Hoping others post here and other forums of the awful service being received from Verizon.
Cheers
You know you wasted this rant in a place Verizon will never see or bother to look, right?
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You know you wasted this rant in a place Verizon will never see or bother to look, right?
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Come on Adrynalyne, use your godlike development powers to fix Verizon's network for him hehe
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Come on Adrynalyne, use your godlike development powers to fix Verizon's network for him hehe
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LOL you and I both know if it was the network, that rbox would be ranting and raving in irc.
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LOL you and I both know if it was the network, that rbox would be ranting and raving in irc.
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OH yeah, good point, lol
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This seems to be a daily occurance with Verizon being down on data, no 3G or 4g for hours!!! I was with All-Tel and now Verizon and very very disappointed with this service. This will be our last time to renew our contract!! This is unacceptable service from a big city such as Phoenix. This is not just in one location its all over dam city! Lots of people are posting the very same issue across the whole us. I guess its due to growing pains, so kick back some money to the users that are being screwed paying top $$$ for a service that half the time is down. Hoping others post here and other forums of the awful service being received from Verizon.
Cheers
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best thing to do is to call them every time it happens and make them note it on your account. It's how I got out of my t-mobile contract without etf's....
azbobs said:
This seems to be a daily occurance with Verizon being down on data, no 3G or 4g for hours!!! I was with All-Tel and now Verizon and very very disappointed with this service. This will be our last time to renew our contract!! This is unacceptable service from a big city such as Phoenix. This is not just in one location its all over dam city! Lots of people are posting the very same issue across the whole us. I guess its due to growing pains, so kick back some money to the users that are being screwed paying top $$$ for a service that half the time is down. Hoping others post here and other forums of the awful service being received from Verizon.
Cheers
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I've found that doing the ##778# and edit mode with the pass of 000000 to enable revA made my data A LOT more consistent. You do loose the connection to the 4G towers but personally I'd rather have reliable 3g than flakey 4G
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I seemed to have more data drops here in phx when I was on the mr2 radio. Ended up flashing back to bamf 1.8 with the froyo radio and not the data drops are much less frequent. And I didn't notice a data drop today. Usually happens around midnight for me.
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Yeah my 3g is intermittent as well. Starting to get annoyed.
It's funny. For some reason. I k.ow I could jump on he forum and see a post about this.
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I've found that doing the ##778# and edit mode with the pass of 000000 to enable revA made my data A LOT more consistent. You do loose the connection to the 4G towers but personally I'd rather have reliable 3g than flakey 4G
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I, too, keep it in EVDO mode since it appears stable as compared to eHRPD then toggle on 4G with LTE On/Off app when needed.
Since I got the phone I have really had no problems with service. Occasionally the 4g is a little wonky, but no big problems. I live on the northern border of the 4g reach, so I'm usually on 3g anyways
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Okay this requires you to have another IMEI number so if you have a Infuse you will need either a iPhone a BlackBerry or a LTE phone's IMEI number
Call AT&T tell them you need to update your IMEI # and update the Unlimited Data plan to the Unlimited Data plan for that phone. I used a Skyrocket IMEI for NY Infuse they took a few minutes updating it and once I got off the phone I went into Airplane mode and out of Airplane mode and had full speeds again.
Everytime you are throttled call back give them the old IMEI # and have them update the Data Plan again for full speeds!
No need to change your APN!
Hit Thanks if this helps you!
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This is a SERIOUS security concern that the govt. doesn't deal with easy. IMEI numbers are used to track phones, esp when they want to point in on law breakers.
I would NOT suggest anyone doing this.
One reprieve is that you are not physically changing the IMEI of your device. But I am still unsure of how ethical this is.
Edit: Also, if I am not wrong, IMEI number is transmitted every time you place or receive a call.
Yes but if you own the phone
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i told you all they slow you down by the device!
i was slowed down on my infuse, then i got my blackberry and my speeds where back to normal!
i guess i'll start carrying another device. root it and then just use tether hotspot when i get throttled.
I tried putting my sim into my buddies g-note and I was still throttled!
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i guess i'll start carrying another device. root it and then just use tether hotspot when i get throttled.
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Yeah. And then you will get the email telling you to stop tethering and then if you don't you will be pushed through to the tethering plan.
Optimus, I think that bbs are different. There plans are weird. For instance, you can tether to a playbook and whatnot.
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Just change IMEI's to another device of yours that has a different data plan as long as its a smart phone it'll fix it
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The other issue to think about is that there are different data plans, even for the same level. For example, there is a $30 3GB smartphone 3G plan, $30 3GB iPhone plan, $30 3GB iPhone 4S plan, $30 3GB smartphone 4G plan, etc. They may all seem the same to you, but when your bill comes you could end up with pro-rated charges for each one.
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It still equals the same
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Simple answer: Use the phone data plan as a phone data plan, and not as replacement to home internet.
Whatever you do, you'll get caught one way or other. And changing IMEI's can have really bad consequences, even if you own the other device. Just saying.
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Simple answer: Use the phone data plan as a phone data plan, and not as replacement to home internet.
Whatever you do, you'll get caught one way or other. And changing IMEI's can have really bad consequences, even if you own the other device. Just saying.
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You can always change it back right after your done it will still work.
Please stop flaming because people who barely use the internet are being throttled
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This is a SERIOUS security concern that the govt. doesn't deal with easy. IMEI numbers are used to track phones, esp when they want to point in on law breakers.
I would NOT suggest anyone doing this.
One reprieve is that you are not physically changing the IMEI of your device. But I am still unsure of how ethical this is.
Edit: Also, if I am not wrong, IMEI number is transmitted every time you place or receive a call.
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Nothing illegal about switching your SIM to another phone and having AT&T update their database with the correct data plan. The government couldn't care less about this since you're not cloning or changing the IMEI of the phones.
Thank you, this was just away I got my internet back to working condition after I used 2.3 GB's of Data...
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You can always change it back right after your done it will still work.
Please stop flaming because people who barely use the internet are being throttled
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****. Meant to quote not thank.
My answer. Lol. That's all. Diablo knows his stuff.
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we need to figure out a working apn fix or something else..
As of right now there are only TWO apn's AT&T uses except iPhones they have 3 one is for Voicemail.
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diablo009 said:
Simple answer: Use the phone data plan as a phone data plan, and not as replacement to home internet.
Whatever you do, you'll get caught one way or other. And changing IMEI's can have really bad consequences, even if you own the other device. Just saying.
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this !!!
guy brought is phone today and said i need to return it i asked why he says its burning up ( heat ) i simple asked what have you need doing with it when it heats up . he said and i quote using it to play MW3 on xbox live ...
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this !!!
guy brought is phone today and said i need to return it i asked why he says its burning up ( heat ) i simple asked what have you need doing with it when it heats up . he said and i quote using it to play MW3 on xbox live ...
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So you work for a phone store? Hmm.. Do you have the phone that ATT (I asdumr) gives you. And that's hilarious. Tell him to put a fan over it, turn it sideways and take the battery cover off. It cools it down real fast. I had to take the battery cover off after watching an or so of the Mentlist.. . On my phone. Not tethering.
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lol i only tether (Only to my Ps3) when my home internet which we paid about $60 a month (Xfinity Comcast) for isn't working.
Read it and weep...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ing-if-you-buy-a-4g-phone-this-summer-onward/
Verizon can kiss my yam bag.
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Doesnt matter to me, i only tether when necessary. Most the time at my house my phone goes on my wifi. This probably has something to do with those who abuse tethering by using lte for all their stuff. If you want to complain, thats where i would start, not verizon.
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Simple mobile or red pocket here I come
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So pissed.
First off: !!!!
OK, there has GOT to be some sort of way around this, or at least a way to delay this from happening to one's self for a bit....
A) What about going out now and purchasing a new LTE device at full retail ahead of your upgrade date (mine is this November)? Will that grant me an extra 2 yrs of unlimited data before I am forced off?
B) And what's this I hear about buying phones directly thru the Play Store and going month-to-month with Vzw? I was hearing you will soon be able to do this and retain unlimited data this way?
There's gotta be a way....I will NOT go to shi**y At&t or Sprint or TMobile......
How many people really use 4 gigs a month? Thats what i have cox hispeed at home for. I know between cox, vzw, and sirius for car and phone, its expensive, but i have everything i need whenever and wherever i need. I know this sucks for those who abuse it, but shouldnt all around network quality be better if it is limited? Ive been unlimited since the alltel days, im not happy, but the only time i tether is once a week when at my hotel, just to have a secure connection. I can shop around next time, but as much as i travel and work in the sticks, verizon is my best option.
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How many people really use 4 gigs a month? Thats what i have cox hispeed at home for. I know between cox, vzw, and sirius for car and phone, its expensive, but i have everything i need whenever and wherever i need. I know this sucks for those who abuse it, but shouldnt all around network quality be better if it is limited? Ive been unlimited since the alltel days, im not happy, but the only time i tether is once a week when at my hotel, just to have a secure connection. I can shop around next time, but as much as i travel and work in the sticks, verizon is my best option.
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Some of us like myself don't have the luxury of high speed internet at home. I use a lot data because my phone is my internet connection. I don't use most of my data on 4G though because I only get it at my house and I disable it when I'm working because I'm at locations that dont have it so it eats my battery up. They won't keep it like this forever anyway. I remember when 3g came out and they charged people for data pretty much until the whole network was 3g and then by allowed it to be unlimited. Anyhow I don't really see Verizon keeping this up forever. I bet they will lose a lot of customers over this move. If they won't renew my unlimited plan I'm gone.
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But the phone as the internet connection is the problem. Thats not what it was meant for. People playing ps3 or xbox, streaming netflix, torrent downloads. Everyone who is abusing it is why its making them go this route. There is free wifi almost everywhere. People can sign up for home internet service. If your a college student, the activity center will have wifi. I hate paying $54 a month for internet at my home, but i also get up to 50 meg dl, i run all laptops, printers, and all cell phones connect as soon as its in range. If people want to leave for a more crappy network to abuse, let them. The tethering is a big reason phones are getting harder to unlock. The only unlimited in our area is sprint, but they suck outside of big cities. If forcing limits on everyone makes the network better, ill adjust to it, as i always have.
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Unfortunately I have to tether for work, and also do it at home because my apt's internet selections are wayyyy too much money for the crappy speed. I am sitting at 24gbs right now for this billing cycle, and it resets on the 18th....so I am not ready to pay $220 worth of overages.....outrageous
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Unfortunately I have to tether for work, and also do it at home because my apt's internet selections are wayyyy too much money for the crappy speed. I am sitting at 24gbs right now for this billing cycle, and it resets on the 18th....so I am not ready to pay $220 worth of overages.....outrageous
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The work is one thing, i mean how much can u use. Ive tethered at eork to upload documents and med supp apps. Its the people using it for homes that are the problem. Not what it was meant for and i dont blame vzw. Wanna play, gotta pay.
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T-Mobile here I come. Again....
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It really is unfortunate that they are going to end up doing this. I don't know what other carriers would be worth switching to. Anyone have any ideas for a carrier/phone that would even be worth going to or is it better to just ride this out and hope for the best?
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T-Mobile here I come. Again....
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T mobile isnt true unlimited. They throttle it to nothing after 2 gigs. My son is a supervisor there. He takes his free phone, but says the network sucks. Have fun with that.
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24 GBs? Get off my network.
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24 GBs? Get off my network.
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Right on dude! +1
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And I thought the 9gb I used was a lot....
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I have 3 lines on my account and don't use that much!! Well, I will have to find another network as well. I pay enough as it is, not paying anymore. Sorry big red, but I think you will losing a lot of customers.
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Well, seeing as how there's nothing groundbreaking that any of the new phones can do that the Thunderbolt can't already do, I'll be using my Thunderbolt until rubber bands and epoxy can't hold it together anymore. I got mine on launch day, and other than the kickstand losing a bit of its finish, the rest of the phone is in perfect condition.
Wife is bummed about not being able to get an iphone5 once it comes out, but maybe after this fails badly for Verizon, and/or there's a big class action lawsuit, and they finally kick in the auxillary retro thrusters, I'll consider getting a new phone then. Sprint LTE is still going to suck because they're still using 1900mhz that doesn't do good building penetration, thats the reason Wimax failed.
I left sprint where I had 25% off monthly for big red.
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I only tether mine when my wife needs to do something for work which is maybe twice a month. Even without tethering I still use 5 gb on a low month. Lots of Pandora and with a 2 year old netflix is a must for long trips, or even when waiting at the doctor or when waiting at a restraunt. If they kill unlimited for me I will either change carriers or go to a feature phone. I love my bolt, but I can move vids to my tablet for my kid and bring my zune back out for music. I'm old enough to remember life before the internet much less mobile anything, and smart enough to not get raped by big red because they want more money. Unfortunately some people are so attached to being connected 24/7 they will pay whatever to keep that data going.
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I only tether mine when my wife needs to do something for work which is maybe twice a month. Even without tethering I still use 5 gb on a low month. Lots of Pandora and with a 2 year old netflix is a must for long trips, or even when waiting at the doctor or when waiting at a restraunt. If they kill unlimited for me I will either change carriers or go to a feature phone. I love my bolt, but I can move vids to my tablet for my kid and bring my zune back out for music. I'm old enough to remember life before the internet much less mobile anything, and smart enough to not get raped by big red because they want more money. Unfortunately some people are so attached to being connected 24/7 they will pay whatever to keep that data going.
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+1 on this. I'm right there with you. I have this phone with all its cool features, but I don't need it!! Life would be much simpler without it all anyway.
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I come home today and find a letter from AT&T and open it up (thinking this outta be good)...Apparently they finally figured out the way they're gonna force us (those in grandfathered unlimited data plans) off. Their letter goes as following:
"Dear (My Name)
We've noticed your service plan may need updating.
Many AT&T customers use their smartphones as a broadband connection for other devices, like laptops, netbooks or other smartphones- a practice commonly known as tethering. Tethering can be an efficient way for our customers to enjoy the benefits of AT&T's mobile broadband network and use more than one device to stay in touch with important people and information. To take advantage of this feature, we require that you have a tethering plan.
Our records show that you use this capability, but are not subscribed to our tethering plan.
If you would like to continue tethering, please log into your account online at www.wireless.att.com, or call us 866-975-0003, Mon-Fri, 6am-midnight or Sat-Sun, 8am-9pm CT, by the end of this month sign up for a plan that allows tethering. Viable plans include the DataPro 5GB for Smartphone plan, the DataPro Enterprise plan, or any of our AT&T Mobile Share plans."
They then go on to list both plans priced $50 and $65 then go on to say "If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you in one of the above individual Smartphone DataPro 5GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle........If you discontinue tethering by the end of the month, no changes to your current plan will be required."
Funny thing is I don't tether and any usage has been me watching netflix, youtube videos, downloading files from threads here and browsing the web. I wanna complete listing of these alleged "records" they speak of because I'll be damned if they get me off my unlimited data plan!
I got the same letter today. Also got a text
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It's based strictly on usage. I routinely use my phone as a mobile hot spot for my laptop, but only when absolutely necessary and only for a few MB at a time. I've never once heard from AT&T. Meanwhile, I know someone who never tethers to their phone (why would they when they have a mobile wifi router FROM AT&T?). They do, however, smoke through 3-4GB of data per month, as they use their phone in lieu of a laptop when on the road. Now, not that I would ever piece together what I've learned through casual conversation with an AT&T employee or two, but they've both suggested that something like this might resolve the situation if you're ever presented with it:
1. Call AT&T. Ask for supervisor right away--don't waste time with the peons.
2. Ask for the supervisor's name and number. Write them down. Inform supervisor that you received the letter, but do not tether and never have. Ask what "records" they're pulling from. You'll probably get a "usage" reply. If so:
3. Ask them how simple data usage can indicate whether you're tethering or not. They'll most likely say that the amount of data you're using is indicative of tethering.
4. Ask whether your plan contains unlimited data. The answer, of course, is yes. State once again that you do not tether, and as your plan has unlimited data linked to it, they cannot use the amount of data you consume as evidence of tethering.
5. Without giving the supervisor a chance to talk, quickly state that unless they can produce for you documentary evidence of cell data traffic being generated by a device tethered to your phone (here's a hint--they can only see your phone's data, they can't see anything connected to it), you expect them to honor the unlimited data agreement you have with them, and any attempt on their part to move you onto a different plan will be seen as a breach of that agreement and handled as such. Tell the supervisor that you expect a call from the call center's manager within 24 hours to acknowledge that your plan will not be changed absent documentary evidence of tethering, which you are not engaged in in the first place. Confirm the supervisor's name and number with them, "just in case we have any discrepancies when I talk to the center manager".
Not that I would've ever relied upon friends in the right places to detail such an approach for me or anything, but I have heard through the grapevine that the tethering letter consistently goes out to unlimited data users in certain "usage brackets", and they're banking on us not knowing that their towers can't tell whether the data is coming from our phone or from a laptop tethered to it.
Att did the same thing with Iphone users but it wasn't a bluff.. They knew in fact you were tethering...
I wouldn't be so quick to assume they are going only on data usage..
I'm willing to bet they know the second you tether...
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It's based strictly on usage. I routinely use my phone as a mobile hot spot for my laptop, but only when absolutely necessary and only for a few MB at a time. I've never once heard from AT&T. Meanwhile, I know someone who never tethers to their phone (why would they when they have a mobile wifi router FROM AT&T?). They do, however, smoke through 3-4GB of data per month, as they use their phone in lieu of a laptop when on the road. Now, not that I would ever piece together what I've learned through casual conversation with an AT&T employee or two, but they've both suggested that something like this might resolve the situation if you're ever presented with it:
1. Call AT&T. Ask for supervisor right away--don't waste time with the peons.
2. Ask for the supervisor's name and number. Write them down. Inform supervisor that you received the letter, but do not tether and never have. Ask what "records" they're pulling from. You'll probably get a "usage" reply. If so:
3. Ask them how simple data usage can indicate whether you're tethering or not. They'll most likely say that the amount of data you're using is indicative of tethering.
4. Ask whether your plan contains unlimited data. The answer, of course, is yes. State once again that you do not tether, and as your plan has unlimited data linked to it, they cannot use the amount of data you consume as evidence of tethering.
5. Without giving the supervisor a chance to talk, quickly state that unless they can produce for you documentary evidence of cell data traffic being generated by a device tethered to your phone (here's a hint--they can only see your phone's data, they can't see anything connected to it), you expect them to honor the unlimited data agreement you have with them, and any attempt on their part to move you onto a different plan will be seen as a breach of that agreement and handled as such. Tell the supervisor that you expect a call from the call center's manager within 24 hours to acknowledge that your plan will not be changed absent documentary evidence of tethering, which you are not engaged in in the first place. Confirm the supervisor's name and number with them, "just in case we have any discrepancies when I talk to the center manager".
Not that I would've ever relied upon friends in the right places to detail such an approach for me or anything, but I have heard through the grapevine that the tethering letter consistently goes out to unlimited data users in certain "usage brackets", and they're banking on us not knowing that their towers can't tell whether the data is coming from our phone or from a laptop tethered to it.
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Exactly! I literally haven't tethered and my data usage did surpass 5GB last month ( I got the infamous text the very last day literally minutes before my billing cycle resets) but is around 3.5 this month....this is a pathetic move on their part to bank on people not opening that letter and change their plan without notice. Once the subscriber notices the call will go something along the lines of "Oh I'm sorry there's nothing we can do as it's a system change and we can not reverse or restore that previous plan." As if I don't pay enough for my monthly plan as it is......corporate greed at its best.
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Att did the same thing with Iphone users but it wasn't a bluff.. They knew in fact you were tethering...
I wouldn't be so quick to assume they are going only on data usage..
I'm willing to bet they know the second you tether...
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Based on what those in the know have told me, they have no way of knowing and go solely by usage on Android platforms.
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Based on what those in the know have told me, they have no way of knowing and go solely by usage on Android platforms.
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Either that is 100% false or I'm very lucky.. I get throttled from att every month still and in my protest have reached 30gb+..
The only time I got a letter from att I was on an Iphone and was in fact tethering.
I do believe att knew this whole time about tethering but didn't care because they had bigger fish to go after.. Android will eventually level the playing field and att will be concerned with our data usage also.. That might be what you see going on now.. Att trying to go after tethering android users before it becomes a bigger problem...
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Based on what those in the know have told me, they have no way of knowing and go solely by usage on Android platforms.
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They don't. They just rely on usage patterns to determine if you're a "data hog" and look for backhanded ways to penalize you based on that data ( really only applicable to those remaining unlimited data folks ) If I was on a tiered data plan they could give two ****s what and how I use up data they'd encourage me to rack up all the GB of data I can and smile at the end the billing cycle cause they know I got ****ed good and hard.
Not the first time I have received the letter, all times I had in fact tethered in the month prior.
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Part of me hopes they pull this with me so I can get out of my contract...I used 16 GB a few months ago and no letter though. Oh and I never tether.
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They know if you tether. That's why certain tethering apps have spoof capabilities to mask your ID.
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It's all in HOW the tethering is done. If the app or ROM just simply says to use the built in tethering, then it's very trackable. If the tethering is spoofed to look like the normal data connection, then it can't be tracked.
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It's all in HOW the tethering is done. If the app or ROM just simply says to use the built in tethering, then it's very trackable. If the tethering is spoofed to look like the normal data connection, then it can't be tracked.
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All I use is foxfi and got the letter FWIW
And no, you can't get put of your contract with att on something like this ....its in the fine print that they can change pretty much whatever they want.
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All I use is foxfi and got the letter FWIW
And no, you can't get put of your contract with att on something like this ....its in the fine print that they can change pretty much whatever they want.
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Fine print isn't automatically legally binding. That guy sued AT&T for throttling and won.
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Fine print isn't automatically legally binding. That guy sued AT&T for throttling and won.
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That guy won simply because it was proven they were throttling him at a lower usage than an equally priced capped plan.
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And no, you can't get put of your contract with att on something like this ....its in the fine print that they can change pretty much whatever they want.
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Legally, you are correct.
However, if you speak to the right people, anything is possible; ESPECIALLY if you've been a customer in good standing for a long time.
Not saying it could happen, just saying it's possible. I missed out on unlimited data, but I do agree with the person on page 1 who numbered out the steps. That is definitely the right way to go.
liquidzoo said:
Legally, you are correct.
However, if you speak to the right people, anything is possible; ESPECIALLY if you've been a customer in good standing for a long time.
Not saying it could happen, just saying it's possible. I missed out on unlimited data, but I do agree with the person on page 1 who numbered out the steps. That is definitely the right way to go.
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I agree with post on page 1 for sure. I wouldn't be very optimistic on being released from contract obligations though
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00mred00 said:
All I use is foxfi and got the letter FWIW
And no, you can't get put of your contract with att on something like this ....its in the fine print that they can change pretty much whatever they want.
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I used foxfi too... first time this month. Probably around 30mb only, decided to try it to see if it works. I received the exact same mail.
Wonder if I should call or not because it says if you stop they will not switch you over. Now, I'm thinking maybe I should. I spent 3gb last month (our area is not LTE but my phone is LTE). What's the best advice on how to go about calling them? SHould I admit to using it or pretend I didn't.
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I used foxfi too... first time this month. Probably around 30mb only, decided to try it to see if it works. I received the exact same mail.
Wonder if I should call or not because it says if you stop they will not switch you over. Now, I'm thinking maybe I should. I spent 3gb last month (our area is not LTE but my phone is LTE). What's the best advice on how to go about calling them? SHould I admit to using it or pretend I didn't.
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Last time I got the letter I just told them I downloaded some app , was unaware of it being an issue, thanked them for the warning and let them know I wpuldnt do it again
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Att probably targets high usage customers for data profiling. When your WoW user agent pops up... bam, they send the letter.
Replace "WoW" with your favorite easily-profiled bandwidth-sapping client, Windows time request, etc.
And that's ignoring any differences between Windows/Linux/android networking stacks that can be finger printed...
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I was at a VZW center yesterday, and one of the reps (to who his credit, didn't sound like a complete idiot like a lot of the employees there.)
Anyway, he told me that if you have the $30 unlimited tethering promo that was optional for a short time when the Tbolt came out...once you update to ICS you will lose it.
I don't know if what the rep said was true or not, but just felt I should give anyone who might be in this situation a heads up.
Sorry, if this has already been mentioned, by the way...I just wanted to get it out there quickly.
That salesman's knowledge seems questionable
Fail on reading comprehension on my part...I read that as unlimited data not unlimited tethering. I thought they lost a court case recently where they couldn't charge for tethering anymore? (Found a link, can't post it, yay new user, but if you google "verizon court case tethering" you should find several articles about it) At any rate I imagine as long as you keep root they can't really stop you from tethering.
nuggetfn22004 said:
Fail on reading comprehension on my part...I read that as unlimited data not unlimited tethering. I thought they lost a court case recently where they couldn't charge for tethering anymore? (Found a link, can't post it, yay new user, but if you google "verizon court case tethering" you should find several articles about it) At any rate I imagine as long as you keep root they can't really stop you from tethering.
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Yeah with root, I don't think they can do anything about you tethering. I personally have used my rooted tethering for some really data-intensive power sessions--like 10-15GB a week while I was away (VZW was much faster than the local wifi at my hotel where I was doing after-hours work). Never heard a peep from Verizon about it.
They're allowed to provide their own paid tethering service, they just aren't allowed to force you to use that or use nothing. In other words, they can't tell you not to use a free app for the same thing.
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tm24fan8 said:
They're allowed to provide their own paid tethering service, they just aren't allowed to force you to use that or use nothing. In other words, they can't tell you not to use a free app for the same thing.
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I believe the actual compromise was that if you were on a tiered data plan, they weren't allowed to prevent you from tethering, and they can't prevent you from installing the app regardless, but they could prevent you from tethering if you are using one of the grandfathered "unlimited" plans?
They can't prevent you from using it nor can they even prove that you are using it. If they could I would have been charged thousands of dollars already since I've been using WiFi tether for about 4 years now.
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I know awhile back I mentioned to a verizon rep that they couldn't prove if I was tethering and he went on a long defensive rant about how they monitor your usage and if it spikes they know you are tethering. It took a lot of self-restraint to keep from laughing in his face. I guess they figure most people won't do outside research and just listen to whatever they're spoon fed by verizon.
I have unlimited data so that is a crock of ****. They can tell if I use a lot of data and that is about it. They can't tell if it resulted from tethering. 95% of my data usage comes from using my phone to download roms.
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disconnecktie said:
I have unlimited data so that is a crock of ****. They can tell if I use a lot of data and that is about it. They can't tell if it resulted from tethering. 95% of my data usage comes from using my phone to download roms.
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Yeah, they just try to use scare tactics on people who don't know any better. Since tethering goes through the phone, it shows the same on their network regardless of whether its the phone or 10 other devices connected to the phone doing the downloading.
If you use their hot spot and it isn't the hacked version I think they can tell. I'm not sure though and wouldn't take that risk.
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disconnecktie said:
They can't prevent you from using it nor can they even prove that you are using it. If they could I would have been charged thousands of dollars already since I've been using WiFi tether for about 4 years now.
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The big fun will come when you get the letter saying, "We understand you've used thousands of dollars worth of tethering but we see you've failed to declare this as taxable income.
We figure you owe $xxx,xxx.xx plus interest and penalties.
Love ya, the IRS!
xs11e said:
The big fun will come when you get the letter saying, "We understand you've used thousands of dollars worth of tethering but we see you've failed to declare this as taxable income.
We figure you owe $xxx,xxx.xx plus interest and penalties.
Love ya, the IRS!
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Lol last time I checked the verizon corporation wasn't apart of the irs. Just saying....
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But you can bet the IRS keeps track of VZW AND VZW customers :crying:
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But you can bet the IRS keeps track of VZW AND VZW customers :crying:
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Nah maybe verizon but not me.
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Im a little confused, since im pretty new to the t-bolt since i bought it on ebay a few months ago. If i use a free tether app, will VZW NOT charge me for data? on my old moto x2 using a root tether app meant you still got charged for data, but not for the tethering service. Is this different on the TB?
ryan1407 said:
Im a little confused, since im pretty new to the t-bolt since i bought it on ebay a few months ago. If i use a free tether app, will VZW NOT charge me for data? on my old moto x2 using a root tether app meant you still got charged for data, but not for the tethering service. Is this different on the TB?
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If you're on a limited data plan, tethering uses your data. If you're on an unlimited plan you're supposed to pay a monthly fee to use tethering, however, there are apps that you can use to get around this.
Classic Verizon reps, think they're smarter than you... No I'm only here because I need a SIM card and corporate says you can't just give me a SIM card, you have to do it yourself.... Of course that's changed now, but boy that was a *****. I hate giving them my brand new phones, too, I've heard stories where they screw up the battery cover and such.
Woo rant!
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nuggetfn22004 said:
I guess they figure most people won't do outside research and just listen to whatever they're spoon fed by verizon.
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When paid by Verizon I assume one becomes a mouthpiece for Verizon, and it makes some logical sense for them to preach Verizon's sermons to all who aren't tech savvy.
That said, I did a doubletake on the OP, as I have the unlimited data and I sometimes tether while on the road (yay root). Tbh, I (ab)use an app called DropSync to do some crazy stuff with DropBox, and when I'm not on WiFi for a time it's common for me to rack up 10GB+ from just that. I really haven't got as much usage from my tethering. So if anyone from Verizon ever got after me for tethering, I'd just disable my WiFi and let them watch me push a ton thru my LTE, just to be spiteful. :victory:
Screw them tether away!!!!
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why not??
why not??i just flash santod stock ics last month..no problema at all...