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An Ex-Transformer owner here, wondering if there are many other folks that are sat on the fence with regards to which tablet to buy? I popped into my local PC World today and had a look at the various tabs on display, as expected the Asus screen looked fantastic compared to the others (although it showed signs of LB).
The Acer Iconia was OK although I felt that the screen transitions weren't the smoothest in comparison, it's not the best looking tablet out there. The Motorola Xoom appears to be very well built, smooth in operation and with a mini hdmi port as does the TF. The screen isn't as crisp as the TF although this may be a contender for me, just a shame it's around £100 more than the TF. Can I get away with that .... hmmmm.
The spanner in the works, or what's preventing me from making a decision, is the forthcoming Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. We don't seem to have a firm UK release date or price yet, I don't think the spec is even certain yet. Bl**dy Samsung!
Anyone else care to share their 'on the fence' thoughts?
Well, I had 2 TF's for about 2 weeks in total and liked the experience on the device. But, had to return both, due to speaker issues. I was hoping to get the 10.1 hoping, if it would have a better CPU(Exynos) than Tegra 2, but in vain. Acer hasn't impressed me. For the price range, I guess I will go again for the Transformer, hoping that pieces from newer production batches, might have the speaker issues fixed.
I was sold on the keyboard dock functionality, so there wasn't (still isn't) anything on the horizon that entices me more than the TF. When the next TF (Tegra 3) goes up for pre-order my current TF will go on Ebay.
So why exactly did you return the TF?
I returned mine mainly because of the light bleed, it was quite bad and the replacement wasn't any better. The light bleed wasn't there for the first couple of days, it just appeared from nowhere. That got me concerned that the same might happen with a good replacement. It had unbalanced speakers although that wasn't a major concern, maybe a software fix would sort that out. The TF's body didn't seem to be very substantial, I experienced SOD, it even happened when I went to return the unit .... that was quite funny really.
Please don't get me wrong folks, I'm honestly not TF bashing, just sharing my experiences with the one that I had. I would like another TF, but I'm struggling with the build quality.
P.S, I posted the OP here as there isn't a general Tab forum (unless I've gone forum blind) and I've been most active within the TF forum.
I an currently sitting on the fence watching and waiting to see if the galaxy tab has a SD card slot if not I will prolly fall in the xoom yard
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There a Transformer - Xoom comparison here http://ht.ly/1cPdhx you can clearly see that the TF has a much nicer display. The guy mentions a difference in video playback, I imaging that the Xoom is a bit smoother with it having 3.1?
Edit: It sounds like the Xoom's SD slot doesn't function out of the box, but there are ways to get around that problem.
To be honest, there really aren't any other Tablets I'd consider, at least not Android tablets. The TF blows all the others out of the water as far as I'm concerned. It's specs are at least as good as all others, but with a much better quality screen. Also, it seems like you must've had a dud or something, but I am actually very impressed with the build quality overall.
The Samsung looks semi-interesting to me, but it doesn't offer a keyboard attachment or a fully functional office suite built in. As well, Samsung is known for their plastic / cheap feel when it comes to build quality and is also known for being the slowest manufacturer to put out updates, correct me if I'm wrong...
Yes, I can't have had a good one that's for sure, but of the 4 or 5 TF's that I've seen in the flesh, all of them had light bleed. Thinking about it, the only reason I really like the TF is because of the screen clarity and colour. If only I could slap an IPS screen (a good one ) onto the Xoom's sturdy chassis!
I ordered the 32GB TF from AAFES (Military retail store) but they never actually had it to ship. I was always on the fence between the TF and Xoom.
The biggest negative for the Xoom was the price but AAFES just price matched Walmart.com's $569 sale price for me with their usual free shipping and no taxes. In the end, the Xoom price was almost the same as the 32GB TF after you add on the tax and shipping to the $499 pricetag since I would have had to purchase it from another retailer.
I am looking forward to my new Xoom. Seeing how I am colorblind, I don't think I will miss the difference between the two screens, lol.
So I got a great deal (I think) at microcenter yesterday for the Transformer ($299). I was actually going out the door with a 16gb Ipad2 but I really had great experiences with asus products (two laptops) so I figured this should be good too.
Lo and behold there seems to be quite a few issues with this particular model (101) and looking at my reciept I have 14 days still to see if I want to go back and get something else (although at this pricepoint ($300-350) my choices are limited). So I was wondering how I check within the time limit for these RRs, battery drains, SODs (?) ? Apparently these problems affect some but not all tablets (is there certain batches that are affected or is this kinda random?). Obviously ICS has it's quirks and software fixes are a normal part of a maturing platform, but hardware issues require RMAs and I don't have the patience for that once my 14 days are up.
Thanks!
I will be absolutely honest with you, walking out the door with an iPad2 is the better choice at the moment, there's far, far too many issues with the TF101 for me to recommend anyone buying it at the moment
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So I got a great deal (I think) at microcenter yesterday for the Transformer ($299). I was actually going out the door with a 16gb Ipad2 but I really had great experiences with asus products (two laptops) so I figured this should be good too.
Lo and behold there seems to be quite a few issues with this particular model (101) and looking at my reciept I have 14 days still to see if I want to go back and get something else (although at this pricepoint ($300-350) my choices are limited). So I was wondering how I check within the time limit for these RRs, battery drains, SODs (?) ? Apparently these problems affect some but not all tablets (is there certain batches that are affected or is this kinda random?). Obviously ICS has it's quirks and software fixes are a normal part of a maturing platform, but hardware issues require RMAs and I don't have the patience for that once my 14 days are up.
Thanks!
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>.< the iPad 2 is terrible...you should really have bought the Transformer Pad 300...is like the prime with a different display and without the metallic backplate. Its got the quad core Tegra 3, and isn't crap like the iPad 2. If you really have to buy an iPad, you really should go with the iPad 3.
I'm gonna go against the crowd and say after I rooted and kerneld I had NO problems.
I have been on the market for an Android 10 inch tablet for close to a year. I have watching several of the devices that have come on the market there. I like the iPad for some things but I hate the proprietary nature and many other numerous issues to list.
Back to my original question though
I have been following reviews online and this is probably the 3rd or 4th time that I have seen reviews on Amazon.com or other sites that the ASUS TF700 has some "build quality issues" they have pointed out problems with the tablet making a squeaky noise when pressing on the glass in some areas and it appearing that the "glue is coming loose". I wanted to say that if I'm spending $500+ on a device. I want it to work, and work well, and not have to replace it in a year or less.
Another comment I have seen is that its sluggish when doing "heavy multitasking". I plan to do quite a bit of multitasking on it and wondered what other user's experiences are. I have read that ASUS will release the Jelly Bean update to this device and I would expect that this may help with some of that.
One of the reasons that I'm certainly considering going with the ASUS over the other tablets is that I prefer ASUS devices on other platforms. I have an ASUS laptop that originally came with Windows Vista (that tells you how dated it is). It's probably 4-5 years old at this point and it's still working off the original AC adapter, original battery and it still works flawlessly. I have owned several ASUS motherboards that work perfectly and last.
I wanted your opinions, since you guys are the Android tablet guru's and I've read some of the other posts. Even the one about the squeakiness by the speaker. But I' m wondering if this is a common issue or one to be concerned about.
One last thing is that I noticed there is an Atmel stylus that might be compatible with it. Has anyone purchased and used one yet? If so, what do you think about it? I'm seriously considering the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 as well because of this stylus capability and the 2GB of ram in there. Money is not that much of a problem since I will be using gift cards (like up to $700 worth) to buy it.
Yes, Asus definitely has some quality-control issues, but if you do get a "bad" one, you can always just return it for another. Personally, my TF700 is fine - some minor light bleed on the bottom and right sides, but it's only noticeable at full brightness, which I'll never use anyway. I don't have the clicking/squeaking noise either. I truly believe that most of these issues are very minor and most folks wouldn't even notice them if they weren't looking for them.
Don't let this hold you back from an awesome tablet - that's why they make warranties! My original TF101 is still running great (hardware-wise, at least - ICS is another story!) - never had any hardware issues with it and my wife still uses it daily.
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I'm surprised. From what I see here, I think I got one of the nicer tablets. My screen has no obvious light bleeds, no dust trapped under the glass, or scratches. The display is bonded firmly and doesn't squeak. I guess it may be potluck with the build quality, but mine is built well.
Like jtrosky said, if you get a bad one, you can exchange it.
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I'm surprised. From what I see here, I think I got one of the nicer tablets. My screen has no obvious light bleeds, no dust trapped under the glass, or scratches. The display is bonded firmly and doesn't squeak. I guess it may be potluck with the build quality, but mine is built well.
Like jtrosky said, if you get a bad one, you can exchange it.
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First one had dust under screen.
Second had huge bright white crater-like defect in center of screen. Really bad defect - can't understand how that passed quality control.
Third one is perfect....so far....
Asus should stay with what they do best..build computers. They sucks with pad, problems after problems. The TF700 is not ready for prime time. They did the 201 and still making too many mistake with the 700. I can named many like, USB,SB card, I/O bottle neck, phone jack volume, noise when pressed on glass, not fitting well with dock..and on and on. I would wait for Samsung Note 10.1.
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Asus should stay with what they do best..build computers. They sucks with pad, problems after problems. The TF700 is not ready for prime time. They did the 201 and still making too many mistake with the 700. I can named many like, USB,SB card, I/O bottle neck, phone jack volume, noise when pressed on glass, not fitting well with dock..and on and on. I would wait for Samsung Note 10.1.
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But then what would be the alternative: Acer? Apple? Samsung where you're stuck on the same firmware forever?
I think the problem is the separation of design and production these days. These tablets are made by faceless Chinese workers, and then shipped over here. Its not like it used to be where the factory workers and the manufacturer and quality control were all in one place. In fact, do we even know if ASUS ever even sees the tablets after they leave the factory and get shipped to the warehouse?
You should be honored. You're now an ASUS employee - we get to inspect the tablets and return the defective ones - we're quality control technicians!
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But then what would be the alternative: Acer? Apple? Samsung where you're stuck on the same firmware forever?
I think the problem is the separation of design and production these days. These tablets are made by faceless Chinese workers, and then shipped over here. Its not like it used to be where the factory workers and the manufacturer and quality control were all in one place. In fact, do we even know if ASUS ever even sees the tablets after they leave the factory and get shipped to the warehouse?
You should be honored. You're now an ASUS employee - we get to inspect the tablets and return the defective ones - we're quality control technicians!
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Asus sold the product, they're 100% responsible for their product, doesn't matter how/where they were made. I payed Asus with my own hard working money and I do have the right to complaint when the product is not working as advertise. I will be glad to contribute my free time to test for them for free if they allowed me to have the product for FREE.
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Asus sold the product, they're 100% responsible for their product, doesn't matter how/where they were made. I payed Asus with my own hard working money and I do have the right to complaint when the product is not working as advertise. I will be glad to contribute my free time to test for them for free if they allowed me to have the product for FREE.
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That sounds nice. But you have to vote with your wallet. And the public already has. People want cheap stuff. The Chinese make cheap stuff. So regardless of weather ASUS is responsible or not, if people continue to buy it, why would ASUS have any reason to change? The days of real premium quality merchandise are over.
Every product on the face of the planet is now made in one place. We chose to abandon our factories and manufacturing facilities. So cheap lower quality stuff is now the norm.
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Asus sold the product, they're 100% responsible for their product, doesn't matter how/where they were made. I payed Asus with my own hard working money and I do have the right to complaint when the product is not working as advertise. I will be glad to contribute my free time to test for them for free if they allowed me to have the product for FREE.
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I believe that he was just being sarcastic with that last statement!
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I was in the same boat as you, waiting for a 10" tablet that I thought fit my needs and was worth the premium we pay for tablet devices.
I was concerned about quality as well. I kept seeing all kinds of stories on the forums (loose glass, dust, light bleed, etc). I ordered from Amazon knowing that it would be easy to return if there was a problem, but mine is just fine and fortunately has none of the problems that some other people have had.
Re: multitasking - I do a lot of multitasking. I usually have it on "balanced" mode and it's super smooth. It slows down a very little bit when I'm updating 2+ apps simultaneously, and the odd occasion where I'm running multiple CPU-intensive apps, but I just switch to "performance" mode for that short period of time and it's back to being snappy.
If you get a bad one, just return it immediately and get a new one. I'm loving this tablet =)
Thanks, I appreciate your input. I think I may end up going with it. We'll see...The samsung note 10.1 doesn't even disclose how much it will cost yet. I'm worried that even $700 may not be enough. I have heard some rumors of around $750. Plus, I don't know how much I would honestly use the Stylus. It would be a fun toy, but not practical for day to day use for me most likely. I'm so used to using touch interfaces all my other android tablet devices and a prior iPhone now anyway.
Keep in mind as well that it'd usually not the happy people that write or speak out. Its often the dissatisfied. There are plenty of happy and satisfied users out there as well.
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Got my T700 a couple weeks ago
I've had enough time to grow accustomed to it and I love it so far. I can see what same are saying about the build quality issues. The glass feels slightly loose in some areas but not so much that it would come apart.
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I've had enough time to grow accustomed to it and I love it so far. I can see what same are saying about the build quality issues. The glass feels slightly loose in some areas but not so much that it would come apart.
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I hope it works out for you. I think this is a terrific tablet (and keyboard dock).
Starting with The Prime (I'm not including the TF101 and TF300 because they don't invoke the level of controversy, nor do they polarize their owners into "You want to take this discussion outside buddy?" kind of dialog's, the way Asus' shiny metal tablets do.
As far as that polarization, it's obvious that people get quite "intense" over these tablets, for a number of reasons. I have Love/Hate emotions toward my Asus Tablet. I LOVE the device's potential and the look feel (sans defects) of the Infinity. It is indicative of how these affect people that in one Video review out there, the reviewer continuously goes on about how "premium" the Infinity is, and how it is "THE BEST ANDROID TABLET" in the SAME VIDEO he crashes the browser so bad, he can't even get it going again for more than 5 minutes! Then he shows how the tablet has a horrendous creak/clicking/screen separation issue, concluding that "it will probably break in the next few days, and that TWO OTHER ASUS INFINITY TABLETS he has in his possession do the same thing, yet in the same breath says it is so "premium" and has such amazing"Build Quality" compared to the (admittedly) plastic crazy Samsung Note 10.1. I understand what he meant, thats what I mean by POTENTIAL. - If fabricated and constructed properly the Infinity is amazing. The problem? It doesn't happen consistently enough in Asus factories
So, I considered the two extremes I have witnessed over the last year, and these are what I determined were the best and worst moments
Asus' Worst Tablet Moment:
They put the TF201 out there, knowing full well that WiFi reception was compromised, and that GPS was non functional - what, were they hoping that the tablets amazing looks and the fact that wifi worked at all would be enough to overcome the problem? Anyone who defended them came off a jackass because either a) They knew the design was compromised and sold it anyway, or b) They DIDN'T KNOW, which means they sent a product out without testing it. And then the put the whammy on it, with the sneaky, deceptive move of taking down the GPS spec quietly hoping they could get away with it. They didn't. People caught them in the act, and started posting in XDA and elsewhere, and THEN Asus came out with a statement. Tehre is no way they were going to do so if they weren't caught. How do I know? Easy one. Every thing they did up to that point shows they were NOT going to be upfront about the issue. Then they sealed the deal by showing a nice "Fixed Prime"at MWC way back in February when all the early adopters (those people who love your products again, Asus) had all BOUGHT the Prime. HUGE slap in the face to that group, me included. Resulting, eventually in
Asus BEST Tablet Moment
This is, like everything I have posted strictly opinion, but I have some facts to back it up, at least for myself. You can believe what you choose. So most of us caught word the you could take a Prime to your local best Buy, and as long as you actually had a receipt (I think there was an exception or two, but cannot verify) they would hook you up with a shiny new TF700 Transformer Infinity Pad. With a long list of possible defects, build issues and so on and so forth. What a lot of folks do not know is that Asus sponsored that program at Best Buy, and logic dictates that they did a similar deal with Amazon customers. I was amazed, and pleased like others that Best Buy was taking back an 8 month old product, with no special warranty or purchase protection plan (I sure didn't have one) and providing the new product in it's place. Even is pricing matched it was an unprecedented move to all ALL those returns, with so little fuss. A few store/managers fought the tide, but overall a HUGE number of people got new product, if all the posts are to be believed. Personally, I believe them; here's: why
While returning my 7th Infinity (Update: I still have the 8th one. Not because I ever achieved "perfection" but because I got a middle ground "acceptable" tablet in each area and that has no glaring, stand out kind of issues.) I was something on the Best Buy screen to this effect: "Exchange for current model - OK per manufacturer" That one line leads me to think that Asus, having enough embarasment and bad will from the Prime/Infinity conundrum, has chosen to quitely buy back, or rather exchange the problem child for the new model. Again, just my opinion, but it does make a lot of sense, don't you think?
The funny part? When the Prime owners started posting, and even petitioning Asus to "Replace my Prime with an Infinity" they were told to stop being ridiculous. Asus is NOT going to do that, ever. I assume they considered options like replacing the back shell of all the Primes, but the cost or recalling and rebuilding was prohibitive (and imagine what a colossal mess THAT would have been; Asus can't even handle normal RMA's never-mind mass refurbing like that!)
I remember that time... It was a rollercoaster ride being for us who fell in the so called minority. But thank god the "minority" had enough voice to get Asus to quietly do the right thing. Too bad for the other Best buy and Amazon customers who purchased a defective prime and do not know about XDA, but I guess its the price for not being updated on their tablets. It was rather an easy transaction too returning the prime as did on Oct 11, I even had a geek squad lady on the customer service (under staffed I guess) and all she had to do was check the computer and she told me a giftcard or exchange. It was exchanged for an infinity, still had it light bleeds and had to manually update still dont know if it was the server on the tablet at fault (but others here had similar issues on that day). Well see how the inifinity will pan out, but i doubt well ever see Asus doing an exchange like they did with the prime since they fixed the GPS and wifi issue that was a major complaint of the prime.
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I remember that time... It was a rollercoaster ride being for us who fell in the so called minority. But thank god the "minority" had enough voice to get Asus to quietly do the right thing. Too bad for the other Best buy and Amazon customers who purchased a defective prime and do not know about XDA, but I guess its the price for not being updated on their tablets. It was rather an easy transaction too returning the prime as did on Oct 11, I even had a geek squad lady on the customer service (under staffed I guess) and all she had to do was check the computer and she told me a giftcard or exchange. It was exchanged for an infinity, still had it light bleeds and had to manually update still dont know if it was the server on the tablet at fault (but others here had similar issues on that day). Well see how the inifinity will pan out, but i doubt well ever see Asus doing an exchange like they did with the prime since they fixed the GPS and wifi issue that was a major complaint of the prime.
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Indeed - they really did the right thing at least in the BB replacement deal. Think about it, best Buy is a mess, and they do have issues, but no way were they going to foot the bill for all those tablets, without even having the Purchase Protection that they sell. I saw every person that tried got a new tablet, so again, I know Asus was involved from what I saw on the screen. Asus also knows that the major upset audience was the folks on the forums, and those are the ones they ended up replacing, so it works out pretty good for all. This has been going for months now, and as you saw it is still in effect.
One other thing on the Infinity, Yes GPS works well, but WiFi is also like 5 times that bandwidth of the Prime. Range is not the best device I own, but range is also decent. You probably noticed that the trick they used on the Prime - cranking the hell out of WiFi is still in place on Infinity. Look at battery statistics and often it is using more than the screen, which being HD is a huge drain itself. I think they reasoned that since it helped the Prime, it would show that they REALLY fixed reception on Infinity, LOL! Finally, the HD screen has proven to be a mixed blessing. It really is hard to distinguish in Movies and photos unless you zoom WAY in, but Text of all things looks amazing. All the reviewers and folks that INSIST this is needed and necessary, also cannot say exactly WHY it is a "Must Have" They HATED that the Note 10.1 is 1200x800 when last year that was an "Amazing experience" Honestly, it DOES look amazing,and the HD is awesome, but it's Asus incredible Back-lighting that makes it truly shine (Pun intended) It can just go so BRIGHT. The downside? A number of Games are not compatible and may not ever be, since the developers don't see enough devices to justify the rework for HD. SIMS Free Play is one example, I could play it on Prime, but not in Infinity. Not that much if a deal. After over a month with the Infinity, I will say, I am glad I upgraded and did not go for the Note 10.1 (I have a Note Phone, so it did not "wow" me and the plastic Tab does not compare to Asus on look and feel. It's MOSTLY fixed... JB is good. I/O will probably always remain the one major FAIL for Asus. they have the issue on every tablet they make to some degree, with the Nexus 7 being effected the least, and the Prime & TF300 probably the most.
For my own use I switch from infinity to the note due to I/O issues and crackling speaker. I was overall satisfied even without the FHD. The prime I switched out for the infinity the other day was my cousin's that I had bought for him. I compared the wifi side by side and the note had a good 10dB over the infinity, but the infinity was indeed better than the prime. I get to play with his infinity every other day just to make sure there isnt any problems to suit his needs, I have yet to try out the bluetooth on his inifinity on JB, since that was one of my dissatisfaction with the infinity I exchanged.
I bought the tf700 about 2 weeks ago from best buy using the 50$ coupon that best buy messed up on. I actually bought it for 419 w/ tax going up to 450 which also includes the dock. Is this a good price for this? Well I have 2 weeks left for a full refund and I'm still debating if I should get a refund and wait for tegra 4 tablets or just keep it. There is slight flex on the screen which makes a clicking noise when I press on it but it doesn't really bother me. At first I was looking into ultrabooks but I gave tablet a try. Besides it's hard to find i5 ultrabooks for under 500. Help me decide!!
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I bought the tf700 about 2 weeks ago from best buy using the 50$ coupon that best buy messed up on. I actually bought it for 419 w/ tax going up to 450 which also includes the dock. Is this a good price for this? Well I have 2 weeks left for a full refund and I'm still debating if I should get a refund and wait for tegra 4 tablets or just keep it. There is slight flex on the screen which makes a clicking noise when I press on it but it doesn't really bother me. At first I was looking into ultrabooks but I gave tablet a try. Besides it's hard to find i5 ultrabooks for under 500. Help me decide!!
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That is a good price IMO.
I'd say this is a factor of your budget and how much you use your tablet. I got the first Android tablet, a Motorola Xoom, on launch day. I had it for a few months and used it a lot then decided to sell it prematurely in order to wait for the next best thing which in my eyes was an HD screen. Well I ended up having to wait almost a year before I got my next tablet, a TF700. That entire year I was kicking myself for not holding on to the Xoom until I actually had another tablet in my possession.
So I guess you have to ask yourself how important to you is having a tablet? At that price I'm guessing you could probably sell it for a ~$100 loss a few months down the road. Who knows though the next generation of tablets might take longer to come out, like the delay we had on the 1080P tablets. With that in mind, if I were you, I'd keep it!
$450.00 for tab and dock?
I'd say that's a good deal.
If the click bugs you trade that in for one that doesn't click.
Just picked up a TF700 myself and I was literally asking myself the same question. I've got a little less than 60 days to return this to BBY if another tab is announced for release soon.
I guess, there are a few things to consider.
1) Is the better performance/battery life of the new device going to be significant? If they jack up the resolution like the N10, it will probably be closer to par with the TF700.
2) Will a new tablet have any hardware issues (e.g. TF-Prime GPS & Wifi problems)? The TF700 is a mature product and it's limitations are well outlined. If you buy a TF700 now, you know exactly what you are going to get.
3) What new features will be on this Tab, and are they worth waiting for? TF700 has SDXC, mini HDMI, a dock with full USB, Full HD, etc. It's a good feature set. TF700 is a bit low on ram with only 1GB, I'd rather have 2GB. It's missing an integrated LTE modem that is said to be in T4, but TBH, I would always buy the wifi version anyway. Better battery life, I wouldn't pay for the extra data plan, and my phone is now tethering fine (thanks TrevE). N10 like resolution looks impressive on paper, but not so in person. I have good eyesight, and the difference isn't noticeable. It's an advertising point over the ipad. Google needs to stop chasing Apple and build more hardware features into their tablets that Apple didn't already do a year ago, but I digress.
4) Are there any applications you cannot run on the TF700 that a new tab would fix? I picked u the TF700 because my Touchpad (running CM9) keeps crashing skype; which I use daily. I run a somewhat recent nightly, and since the Camera fix (thanks for that Dorregaray) being able to use skype at all is awesome. However, having to reboot the tablet 6 times in a night and constantly mucking up the conversation is real pain. Since using the TF700, I haven't had one hiccup in skype. That is worth a lot to me, but a newer tab won't make it better.
Anyway, those are the things I've been mulling over. I will need to see what the new Transformer will look like before I make any kind of decision.
Edit: FWIW, I paid $468 for the tab & a 32GB micro sdxc card. I think you got the better deal.
Have they given a release date for any Tegra4 device? I thought one was shown at the last electronics show but it was still a development model and didn't mention anything about release times or price. You could be waiting awhile and in meantime if you keep the TF700 start stashing away some money monthly for the next wave of tablets. That could help on any loss you take or cover the difference to a model with more storage.
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1 - I don't think anyone can tell what the performance and battery life will be like right now. New devices and cpu's are marketed as more performance while reducing energy needs but the tech community needs products to test before accepting what is said as fact. Are Tegra4 chps supposed to run at the same power that today's Tegra3 chips do but have the better performance? That is a performance improvement while reducing the power needed if they were to make a Tegra3 to equal that performance. Someone may have a better answer regarding power saving but remember a bumped up screen size will probably draw more power anyway.
2 - Again probably hard to answer. Until the product hits the market we really won't know how it performs and what problems it may or may not have. It is a risk you take by buying the next and greatest device. Prime was the next and greatest device and we know how that turned out. We can only hope they get the message after 3 devices that they need better I/O components.
4 - As far as applications I think many people have issue with games that are released or already out and "not supported" by our device. It will take some time once a new device comes out for companies to tweak the code or whatever they do to have the games run on the device. That is done on their whim. Why some haven't not done now on the TF700 (Gameloft and EA) is a question I don't think anyone truly knows. Some guess it's screen resolution and they don't want to change the code to render the graphics properly for our device.
But really you can wait and wait and still not be satisfied because something else is a few months away. This technology is moving fast.
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But really you can wait and wait and still not be satisfied because something else is a few months away. This technology is moving fast.
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Well, I had really wanted a "Wayne" (Tegra 4) device, and was waiting for that to launch to replace/augment the touchpad. The marketing slides showing kepler tech integrated into the SoC is actually a little bit exicting to me. However, I took advantage of a time limited offer to get the TFI at a reduced price. I use google docs for invoicing clients, and the Touchpad wasn't handling that well enough for me to do it on site. I found myself just waiting to get home to do it & emailing an invoice back. The TFI with the keyboard dock provides an excellent solution, and I had considered getting an ultra book for this purpose, but at about half the price of the ultrabook I was looking at, while fulfilling essentially the same purpose, having the same size profile, and better battery life, well it seemed like the better bargain.
That said, if I could get my hands on a next gen transformer within the next 60 days, I'd likely trade this in, in a heart beat.
My opinion the TF700T is viable for a while longer.
Glad the FHD tabs didn't shoot of into a numbers game as quick as I thought they would.
All I can say is after the "lobotomy" lol...my tablet has been a satisfying adventure.
It's smooth no jitters, games well (light gaming), plays my Xfinity downloads without a hitch, wifi connects stays connected, gps is quick,
browser is hanging in there...etc.
Just for a bit of comparison:
I've side by sided the tablet with my 2 year old HP AMD A6 notebook, and for what it is the tab has about the same amount of annoyance that a Win7 notebook has.
Not comparing Windows to Android just noting all devices big and small can of course suffer glitchiness.
Once the system settles in and with a little restraint as far as collecting\installing poorly written apps the Infinity remains a buy at least for me.
Hopefully when the newer tabs start popping perhaps some of us hold-outs will benefit from a much better selection of HD tablet applications.
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Just picked up a TF700 myself and I was literally asking myself the same question. I've got a little less than 60 days to return this to BBY if another tab is announced for release soon.
I guess, there are a few things to consider.
1) Is the better performance/battery life of the new device going to be significant? If they jack up the resolution like the N10, it will probably be closer to par with the TF700.
2) Will a new tablet have any hardware issues (e.g. TF-Prime GPS & Wifi problems)? The TF700 is a mature product and it's limitations are well outlined. If you buy a TF700 now, you know exactly what you are going to get.
3) What new features will be on this Tab, and are they worth waiting for? TF700 has SDXC, mini HDMI, a dock with full USB, Full HD, etc. It's a good feature set. TF700 is a bit low on ram with only 1GB, I'd rather have 2GB. It's missing an integrated LTE modem that is said to be in T4, but TBH, I would always buy the wifi version anyway. Better battery life, I wouldn't pay for the extra data plan, and my phone is now tethering fine (thanks TrevE). N10 like resolution looks impressive on paper, but not so in person. I have good eyesight, and the difference isn't noticeable. It's an advertising point over the ipad. Google needs to stop chasing Apple and build more hardware features into their tablets that Apple didn't already do a year ago, but I digress.
4) Are there any applications you cannot run on the TF700 that a new tab would fix? I picked u the TF700 because my Touchpad (running CM9) keeps crashing skype; which I use daily. I run a somewhat recent nightly, and since the Camera fix (thanks for that Dorregaray) being able to use skype at all is awesome. However, having to reboot the tablet 6 times in a night and constantly mucking up the conversation is real pain. Since using the TF700, I haven't had one hiccup in skype. That is worth a lot to me, but a newer tab won't make it better.
Anyway, those are the things I've been mulling over. I will need to see what the new Transformer will look like before I make any kind of decision.
Edit: FWIW, I paid $468 for the tab & a 32GB micro sdxc card. I think you got the better deal.
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How did you get the 60 day refund period? On my best buy receipt it states 30 days hassle free returns. Also it's a little weird that my tf700 freezes and randomly reboots. It doesn't do it frequently but once in awhile it does that.....very weird. This is actually my second tablet because the first one had slight flex but the current one actually makes a small clicking noise too. Honestly it doens't really bother me but ASus def needs to work on their quality control
Personally, waiting for the next tablet from ASUS (I assume you want a Transformer tablet) will be a very painful experience. Our tf700 was announced at CES 2012 (in January 2012), but only became available for sale at least 4 months later (depend on your location). Given the fact that ASUS has not announced any successor to our Infinity yet, I am inclined to believe if there is a Tegra 4 tablet from ASUS, it will only be available to us on the second half of the year. I have been waiting for the Transformer Book for many months but it is still not available. To me, waiting for something that is not even announced yet is a waste of time and effort.
I would strongly reccomend this tab to anyone who needs something with similar functionality to a netbook or ultrabook but I am looking forward to see what will come next. I would love to see something with a little more power hit the same nitch and with about the same price point... I'm actually waiting on the razer edge tablet to see what it turns into. anyways, I plan on hanging on to my TF700 even if I do get an ultrabook or the edge.
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How did you get the 60 day refund period? On my best buy receipt it states 30 days hassle free returns. Also it's a little weird that my tf700 freezes and randomly reboots. It doesn't do it frequently but once in awhile it does that.....very weird. This is actually my second tablet because the first one had slight flex but the current one actually makes a small clicking noise too. Honestly it doens't really bother me but ASus def needs to work on their quality control
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Premier Silver. Drop enough cash at best buy and you get side benefits, like a doubled return period. Most of the the other benefits are less useful. I don't bother with the complimentary Geek Squad services, for example. Even if I wanted or needed their services (I don't), I still wouldn't use it. Mostly, that's just an opportunity for them to come into your home and look for things they can sell you.
Honestly. ...maybe a extra gig of ram would make this tablet perfect for me. The resolution is ideal for me and the speed is great (running CleanRom) and it does what I hope to get from it. And I use my note 2 for the extra stuff (multi window, nfc sharing etc). And to top that, the mobile giants still have not made 100% use of the quad core as it is and until then, asus infinity is a keeper.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Tegra-4-Wayne-Project-Shield-Nvidia-Grid-Fiscal-2013,21082.html
Tegra 4 isn't shipping until QTR 3 2013. Given that time frame, I'm reasonably happy with my purchase. If the SoC isn't even shipping until then, you won't see devices until QTR 4, and that's nearly a year away. No doubt there will be better performers from Qualcomm sooner than that, but even so, I'm happy with the device I have for now.
searched but haven't even found rumors on a successor - had the TFPrime before and since it got nicked I am waiting for sth new to play with.
Have started considering the Samsung Tab Plus (whenever announced) given the higher res. Still seems that the TF700 has enough muscles and the add keyboard (+battery) is clearly a plus...
Anyhow - have there been any news on the TF700 successor that I missed
Its becomming a bit rusty given the time its already in the market :laugh:
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Honestly. ...maybe a extra gig of ram would make this tablet perfect for me. The resolution is ideal for me and the speed is great (running CleanRom) and it does what I hope to get from it. And I use my note 2 for the extra stuff (multi window, nfc sharing etc). And to top that, the mobile giants still have not made 100% use of the quad core as it is and until then, asus infinity is a keeper.
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I have to agree about the extra gig of ram. But in response to the OP's question, yes that is a very good price. You could always dualboot it with rabbits' linux so as to gain some of the functionality that you would get with an ultrabook. The infinity will not become redundant for a while yet in my opinion so I say go for it.
For tablet with awesome dock integration the tf700 cant be beat. You also got a great deal on both. As far at Tegra 4 devices in particular Asus ones, no one knows yet when they will actually release one so you will have to play the waiting game. Vizio is the only one I know of that is coming out with one but not sold in the U.S. and doesn't have a keyboard dock option.
As someone mentioned the tf700 is a good laptop or netbook replacement. So if you're not going to play high graphic games on it like gameloft games then its a good tablet. But I do recommend you unlock and install custom rom on it as it lags quite a bit in stock form.
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The price is good, considering you got the dock with it.
Toastysoul said:
Just picked up a TF700 myself and I was literally asking myself the same question. I've got a little less than 60 days to return this to BBY if another tab is announced for release soon.
I guess, there are a few things to consider.
1) Is the better performance/battery life of the new device going to be significant? If they jack up the resolution like the N10, it will probably be closer to par with the TF700.
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Unless the device has a battery-powered dock, I'd suspect battery life is going to be on par at best -- expect it to be worse. This may not apply if the new device carries one of those funky new battery design which last for a week and are charged in 10 minutes, but those will only get on the market in about two years, they reckon.
2) Will a new tablet have any hardware issues (e.g. TF-Prime GPS & Wifi problems)? The TF700 is a mature product and it's limitations are well outlined. If you buy a TF700 now, you know exactly what you are going to get.
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Obviously true, and very significant remark. Any device will have its issues, and given the fact that the TF201 suffered from some of these as well, I'd not expect the next Transformer to be faultless either. :S
3) What new features will be on this Tab, and are they worth waiting for? TF700 has SDXC, mini HDMI, a dock with full USB, Full HD, etc. It's a good feature set. TF700 is a bit low on ram with only 1GB, I'd rather have 2GB. It's missing an integrated LTE modem that is said to be in T4, but TBH, I would always buy the wifi version anyway. Better battery life, I wouldn't pay for the extra data plan, and my phone is now tethering fine (thanks TrevE). N10 like resolution looks impressive on paper, but not so in person. I have good eyesight, and the difference isn't noticeable. It's an advertising point over the ipad. Google needs to stop chasing Apple and build more hardware features into their tablets that Apple didn't already do a year ago, but I digress.
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And the N10 has both QA and availability issues, for example.
Following your digression for a bit: Apple had already lost the innovation game in the tablet and smartphone worlds a few years ago. All they have done is increase screen size, and (sometimes) resolution.
4) Are there any applications you cannot run on the TF700 that a new tab would fix? I picked u the TF700 because my Touchpad (running CM9) keeps crashing skype; which I use daily. I run a somewhat recent nightly, and since the Camera fix (thanks for that Dorregaray) being able to use skype at all is awesome. However, having to reboot the tablet 6 times in a night and constantly mucking up the conversation is real pain. Since using the TF700, I haven't had one hiccup in skype. That is worth a lot to me, but a newer tab won't make it better.
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If anything, the older device will probably support more apps altogether -- if you have experienced the transitions from Froyo to Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich to Jelly Bean, you have noticed that we lost a lot of apps along the way that were pretty good in themselves, but just weren't given the TLC to update them to function on the new version. Backward compatibility is less of an issue when the programmer takes it into account when developing his/her app, but too often an app is just hacked together and subsequently, essentially, abandoned.[/QUOTE]