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I currently have a desires s (S-ON, not-rooted and bootloader unlocked), I am not sure if I should downgrade to hboot 0.98 as S-OFF for this is not available right now and as the title says I want you all to tell me what to do !
I could either keep this hboot and simply unlock the boot loader, root my phone and install a custom recovery to flash roms. But that way I won't be able to S-OFF my device and hence I wouldn't be able to install all custom roms such as virtuous saga which requires S-OFF .
And If I downgrade my device, I am not sure if the kernels,radio, and other things would be that efficient plus I doubt if I would be able to install all roms, like ICS Sense 4 roms
(kinda new to all this so I don't know if I am being a noob, but I seriously need your reply on this)
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I can tell you what i did:
I unlocked my bootloader at htcdev right away when i got my desire s, then got superuser access to my phone. It was pretty fun, but I couldn't do EVERYTHING Plus, I lost parts of my warranty.
I really wanted s-off to be able to flash all roms available.
After a month or so, i did a downgrade of the hboot, with this instructions.
It worked flawlessly, although it's an hour of work or so if you're new to android. Terminal/ADB looks weird and complicating at first, but hey, you just need to copy the lines off the tutorial, it works perfect if you do as told
My advice: DON'T unlock at HTCdev (gives yo FULL warranty, even if you flash a custom rom), and just simply follow the downgrade instructions. Then you'll have full access, full warranty and no limitations at all, it's absolutely worth the downrade/s-off!
I'm running ICS now and couldn't be happier with my phone!
First of all thank you for your help on this, even I have had the same thought that its better to downgrade my phone and S-OFF it rather than keeping it S-ON.
Btw I came across anouther doubt which I guess its better to ask here instead of creating a new thread every time, : if I have to use an ruu to downgrade ny device, should my current radio (as seen in bootloader) match the ruu's radio ??
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No
Have changed my Rom twice not touched the radio firmware at all.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, also read on xda somewhere radio firmware is a local thing it may work in your area but not mine
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13th Dev said:
I could either keep this hboot and simply unlock the boot loader, root my phone and install a custom recovery to flash roms. But that way I won't be able to S-OFF my device and hence I wouldn't be able to install all custom roms such as virtuous saga which requires S-OFF .
And If I downgrade my device, I am not sure if the kernels,radio, and other things would be that efficient plus I doubt if I would be able to install all roms, like ICS Sense 4 roms
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IMO, there is not much need for you to flash radio.. most of the time you won't need to do so..
and HBoot version can be changed if you are S-Off..
but i have to disagree with your statement that if you don't S-Off you are not able to flash all custom roms.. yes, some may fail to boot up, but mostly they will boot up without problem..
I am currently at the same Hboot as you, HTCDev unlocked and i have tried many roms without problem..
the only thing about having S-On for me is that i will always be dependant on my computer to flash ROM.. other than that, there's no problem generally.. Oh, maybe there is one thing, HTC may know that your phone has already been unlocked since you are using their unlocker.. but there are some ways to relock it and restore the "RELOCKED" in bootloader to "LOCKED"..
I am a newbie, and that's why i unlocked it with HTCDev, but if i were to do it all over again, i would have spend few more days to learn how to downgrade the Hboot and S-Off instead.. you can always flash newer Hboot later anyway..
So my advice, don't worry so much about the radio, or the Hboot version (you can tweak that later) at the moment, then downgrade the Hboot and S-Off it..
IMO it's much better than using HTC unlocker..
thank you guys for all your help and advice, finally after spending a couple of days,I successfully downgraded hboot 2.00.0002 to .98 one.
once again, thankyou all
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I assume that you're revolutionary S-OFF by now, you can now easily upgrade on the latest re-engineered hboot
@doghous exactly !, I'm thinking of changing my hboot to the new re_engineered 2.00.0002 by vampire36, or if someone could suggest a better one.......
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13th Dev said:
@doghous exactly !, I'm thinking of changing my hboot to the new re_engineered 2.00.0002 by vampire36, or if someone could suggest a better one.......
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I have successfully S-Off my DS from HTC Unlock using the method by Skanob, it's pretty straight forward and noob-proof.. (not that you need that now ) and can be used to revert back to stock, S-On, Locked (not Re-locked) if you ever need to repair..
As for Hboot, i have upgraded the Hboot to Eng Hboot 7.00.1002 (the one you mentioned above) so that would be my recommendation, too!
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I assume that you're revolutionary S-OFF by now, you can now easily upgrade on the latest re-engineered hboot
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Does anyone know what the differences between the different versions of ENG Hboot?
ENG v0.98.2000 vs. ENG v2.00.xxxx vs. ENG v7.xx.xxxx
Any benefits of using v2.00 or v7.xx over the v0.98?
Thx.
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ENG v7.xx.xxxx
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This one isn't an eng hboot. Better use 2.00.2002
anchemis said:
Does anyone know what the differences between the different versions of ENG Hboot?
ENG v0.98.2000 vs. ENG v2.00.xxxx vs. ENG v7.xx.xxxx
Any benefits of using v2.00 or v7.xx over the v0.98?
Thx.
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A good question actually, even I have the same doubt and would really appreciate if someone could post the answer !
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This is what I've gathered from forum trawling...
v0.98.xxxx: the original hboot for 1.x roms
Has the partitions: /system, /cache, /data (all ext3 or ext4)
Fastboot support, supports Revolutionary S-OFF
ENG v0.98.xxxx: engineering version of above
v2.00.2002: the new hboot for 2.x roms (Sense 3.0 etc.)
Has the partitions: /system, /system/lib, /cache, /data (all ext4)
NOT supported by Revolutionary
-> apparently, some Sense 3.0+ roms need this new /system/lib partition to work (stability issues), but I'm not sure which ones though...
->Note Revolutionary is NOT supported, so to S-OFF you need to downgrade using TacoRoot, ZergRush/Misc_versions, XTC clip or some other method.
ENG v2.00.xxxx: engineering version of above
RVL v6.98.1000: hboot that comes after you S-OFF with revolutionary
It is of a higher version number so breaks overflashing functionality, so you CANNOT revert to RUU (for warranty returns etc.)
-> Note: This can be overflashed with v6.98.2000 (OverARX), which then allows you to overflash a stock or engineered hboot.
v7.00.1002[\B]: modified 2.00.2000
NOT ENG BOOTLOADER
But are there any real life benefits of one over the other?
for example I have the Rev v6.98.1000 hboot, so what you mean is that I could have problems while flashing roms (occasionally), and hence I should change my hboot to the engineered one ?
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I got really frustrated with being S-ON and found the HBOOT downgrade instructions dubious so I found someone in my area with an XTC CLIP device and S-Offed the bastard , don't care much about warranty at this point however.
@ste_vald well done there !, having an s-offed device is surely much better
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13th Dev said:
for example I have the Rev v6.98.1000 hboot, so what you mean is that I could have problems while flashing roms (occasionally), and hence I should change my hboot to the engineered one ?
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No, you should be fine installing most of the ROM's (unless specified otherwise in the OP of the ROM).
However, ENG Hboot is recommended so that if required later you can easily flash new radio's / Hboot.
Thank you, but can't I flash radios on this rev hboot
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No, i believe you can't! You will require an ENG Hboot...
What am I able to do with those in terms of roms and kernels?
doesn't matter for ROMs, but kernels and radios can't be flashed through recovery on that hboot.
Cid just means you're rooted. Your hboot means you can flash kernels and ROMs with an extra step. You'll have to fastboot flash the boot.img then install the .zip from twrp.
To save you from doing that, you can downgrade your hboot and then RUU downgrade to 1.85 so you can flash a radio. Go to the eMMC JET tool in the android dev forum if you want to downgrade your hboot.
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Myrder said:
Cid just means you're rooted. Your hboot means you can flash kernels and ROMs with an extra step. You'll have to fastboot flash the boot.img then install the .zip from twrp.
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I've had a good amount of luck with Aroma installers taking care of the boot.img flashing for me. Between CleanRom and BeastKernel, I only had to flash the zips from twrp.
Instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd just bump this one.
Anyway, just bought a used AT&T HTC One XL and it has CID: 11111111 and S-ON. I need to update my HBOOT so I can run CM10. I just want to know what exact firmware/HBOOT to use so I can use the phone.
Thanks in advance!
The easiest thing to do would be to s-off. Then you can flash whatever you want.
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You shouldn't need to update your hboot to run cm10 but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't encountered people with phones that wouldn't boot cm10 unless they updated to the 2.14 HBOOT.
Bear in mind on the 1.14 hboot, you need to extract the boot.img from the rom and flash it using fastboot before most roms will boot. If it still doesn't boot or you don't like the idea of flashing boot.img separately every time you flash a rom then yes I would agree to S-OFF and use the 3.18 ruu.
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ratsack said:
Instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd just bump this one.
Anyway, just bought a used AT&T HTC One XL and it has CID: 11111111 and S-ON. I need to update my HBOOT so I can run CM10. I just want to know what exact firmware/HBOOT to use so I can use the phone.
Thanks in advance!
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Thank you for not creating a new thread. Let everyone else said, it would be wise to do s off while you are this far.
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I think it is my old HBoot as it's doing the same thing my wife's HTC One X did the other day when I tried to put CM10 on it. Updating HBoot fixed that.
I can't boot into Android as it isn't working. Is there a way to S-Off (that's easy) where I don't need to boot into Android? All I really want is to update HBoot and I'll be happy.
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Well, I think the issue was I that I wasn't using the correct recovery to flash the CM10 & GApps. Was using the recovery for a One X, not XL. Put the correct recovery on and now I'm typing this message on my phone. Yay!
Thanks for the help peoples! Now to find out how to remove the red text on start-up!
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Ok so I have unlocked rooted an it is hboot 1.09 from the hboot downgrade
If I wanted to restore to stock with out upgrading the hboot what would be the best ruu to use I know 2.20 has 1.14 but I'm not sure about 1.85 an 1.73
Also if I use the ruu to go to stock would it be like I was never on 2.20 hboot 1.14
Thanks for any help
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krazydude4g said:
Ok so I have unlocked rooted an it is hboot 1.09 from the hboot downgrade
If I wanted to restore to stock with out upgrading the hboot what would be the best ruu to use I know 2.20 has 1.14 but I'm not sure about 1.85 an 1.73
Also if I use the ruu to go to stock would it be like I was never on 2.20 hboot 1.14
Thanks for any help
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You can use the 1.85 or 1.73 ruu but 1.85 is usually recommended and yes now that you've downgraded you have nothing left over from 2.20 basically
alright thanks alot just wanted to make sure first i love trying things i havent before so i figures returning to stock an rooted again might be some fun
just tryed 1.85 and came back with error 140 boot loader version wroung so im trying 1.73 now
You have to Relock your bootloader before running an ruu
i relocked my boot loader and didnt work thats the first thing i did was relock it after i ran the 1.85 i ran the 1.73 an nether worked an it had me stuck in boot loader with security warning an couldnt go anywhere else no recovery nothing so i restored with 2.20
does 1.85 an 1.73 att/cingular for sure have the 1.09 hboot
If you didn't change your main version then that's why the ruu failed. Instructions on how to do so are on the first page of the JET thread.
Edit: it's post 4 in the JET thread to be exact, posted by grim.
So, I'm currently S-OFF, bootloader unlocked, SuperCID, etc. I was originally on the 1.73 base/RUU, and then upgraded using the 3.18 RUU. I would like to revert back to the 1.73 RUU. Since I'm S-OFF, can I simply run the 1.73 RUU (the older version) without doing anything fancy? I just plug my phone up and run the 1.73 RUU, even though it's a MUCH older RUU than the one I last used?
Thanks.
Yes.
Though I did not have supercid when I did it. You should be able to with s-off no problem.
If you're worried just fastboot OEM writecid "whatever your cid was originally" minus the ""
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exad said:
Yes.
Though I did not have supercid when I did it. You should be able to with s-off no problem.
If you're worried just fastboot OEM writecid "whatever your cid was originally" minus the ""
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Ok, and do I need to relock my bootloader before running the RUU if I'm S-OFF?
No, don't
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i have s-off with 3.18 firmwares on it running custom aosp roms. i find the 3.18 radio to be the best for at&t. since i have ruu i haven't reverted hboot or anything besides downgrading the touchscreen. if you run aosp roms i would flash the cm10 3.18 cwm flashable zip, since most use the older 2.20 radio.
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i have s-off with 3.18 firmwares on it running custom aosp roms. i find the 3.18 radio to be the best for at&t. since i have ruu i haven't reverted hboot or anything besides downgrading the touchscreen. if you run aosp roms i would flash the cm10 3.18 cwm flashable zip, since most use the older 2.20 radio.
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I also have S-OFF , unlocked and go back and forth between the 3.18 and older RUU's , then flash radios that suit my area. At the time on 2.20, Clean Rom 5.1, with 3.18 radio. As I understand most posts on the deal, once S-OFF , you can do most anything as long as its a RUU for the particular phone , in this case the HTC one x Evita.
I cannot boot into ROM, but stuck at Bootloader. And I'm relocked.
The only thing I have is Fastboot USB.
I would like to RUU into a Stock ROM. How to do so?
Well ruu should be pretty self explanatory. If you are in the boot loader just run the ruu. Since you are relocked shouldn't take much work. Are you s-off? Why not just grab an AT&T ROM and flash it over. Sure it will be rooted, but delete the super user app
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Yeah, I just figured it. RUU was some executable file. I thought it was more complicated. No I'll just leave it like this and not S-Off, thanks. Apparently I'm not more than 30% battery though. But how do I see the battery from the Bootloader screen?
I dont believe you can. Only from recovery. Just let it charge for about 20-30 mins and you should be good
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If you have supercid and s-on running a ruu will brick your phone just a warning
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How do I check if I have SuperCID or not?
And apparently the device name is GT-9100 which seems wrong...?
There is command in fastboot I think it is fastboot get cid but not sure do you have a att phone
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Nope, I do not. I do not need to worry about that then.
No you should be ok att phones are the only ones that had to change there cids to unlock bootloader
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Fastboot oem readcid
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Fastboot oem readcid
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Thanks couldn't remember what it was
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Oh no! Can anyone please help me?
None of the RUUs work.
I'm Asian and I tried all:
1.88.707.2 ( Error 170, bad USB )
2.23.707.2 ( Error 170 )
This is the only one that I could select ROM and upgrade.
3.17.707.1 ( Less than 30% error is result of previous fail, so reboot. Actual Error 155 )
And I'm S-ON
hboot 1.09
radio 0.17a.32.09.16_2
OpenDSP - What's this and is it useful for my situation?
eMMC - boot
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I think probably I can only install 3.17 RUU is because my last working ROM was CM10.1. After that I tried Sense ROMs but many failed hence I thought of doing Relock and RUU.
Is there any other thing I can do in my bootloader state? I tried Factory Reset.
Is it possible I attain S-OFF from here and flash recovery and flash OTA from there?
Or even better yet, can I try doing OTA from this state?
Aerodeath said:
And I'm S-ON
hboot 1.09
radio 0.17a.32.09.16_2
OpenDSP - What's this and is it useful for my situation?
eMMC - boot
Apr 2 2012, 21:08:21
I think probably I can only install 3.17 RUU is because my last working ROM was CM10.1. After that I tried Sense ROMs but many failed hence I thought of doing Relock and RUU.
Is there any other thing I can do in my bootloader state? I tried Factory Reset.
Is it possible I attain S-OFF from here and flash recovery and flash OTA from there?
Or even better yet, can I try doing OTA from this state?
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I thought if you ran the ruu with s on you could brick...just obtain s off and then run the ruu
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I can't successfully S-OFF because I can't get into Android, stuck at bootloader.
And I'm not on AT&T, I don't need superCID and I can't change it to 11111111 either...
My CID is HTC__044
version-main is 1.88.707.2
Bootloader relocked
hBoot now 2.14?!
RUU_Evita_UL_hTC_Asia_WWE_1.88.707.2_R3_Radio_0.17a.32.09.16_2_10.88.32.17L_release_263455_signed should work but it didn't...
Never mind, everything seems to be working now.
It seemed that my hboot was too low to attempt RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_hTC_Asia_WWE_3.17.707.1_Radio_0.23a.32.09.29_10.128.32.34a_release_298958_signed and Running as Administrator helped too.
Aerodeath said:
I can't successfully S-OFF because I can't get into Android, stuck at bootloader.
And I'm not on AT&T, I don't need superCID and I can't change it to 11111111 either...
My CID is HTC__044
version-main is 1.88.707.2
Bootloader relocked
hBoot now 2.14?!
RUU_Evita_UL_hTC_Asia_WWE_1.88.707.2_R3_Radio_0.17a.32.09.16_2_10.88.32.17L_release_263455_signed should work but it didn't...
Never mind, everything seems to be working now.
It seemed that my hboot was too low to attempt RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_hTC_Asia_WWE_3.17.707.1_Radio_0.23a.32.09.29_10.128.32.34a_release_298958_signed and Running as Administrator helped too.
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I'm telling you this because I don't want you to go through what I did.
I'm on a telus one x, did not need super cid to unlock my bootloader. I relocked and flashed stock recovery, ran RUU. The RUU completed successfully but my phone was a full brick. Only JTAG would have saved it.
If you want to RUU, re-unlock your bootloader, flash recovery, flash stock rooted sense rom, hex edit your CID to 11111111 and S-OFF, then RUU. It's a lot safer now that you've unlocked your bootloader and rooted.
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I'm telling you this because I don't want you to go through what I did.
I'm on a telus one x, did not need super cid to unlock my bootloader. I relocked and flashed stock recovery, ran RUU. The RUU completed successfully but my phone was a full brick. Only JTAG would have saved it.
If you want to RUU, re-unlock your bootloader, flash recovery, flash stock rooted sense rom, hex edit your CID to 11111111 and S-OFF, then RUU. It's a lot safer now that you've unlocked your bootloader and rooted.
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It's okay, I was running an international One XL, and luckily RUU was smooth, now the problem is solved and my phone has been sold and changed hands .