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Hi,
I have a Desire S:
- hboot 2.00.0002
- 2.3.5
- S-ON
What is the best and safe way to S-OFF and root this device?
Thanks
I dont understand, its possible root and install a custom ROM without S-OFF?
Just htcdev to unlock your phone
no way to s-off
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA
@Fredericosilva
Read some... and read some more...
If you wish to s-off then you need to downgrade to a supported hboot, search the general thread (search:downgrade) for how to.
If you wish to stay s-on and have most of the advantages of s-off (root/recovery/roms) then you need to use HTCdev, but your warranty could be voided.
To me the best way would be; downgrade, revolutionary to s-off, install 4ext recovery, and use it to install super user.
s-on
Guys,
can you flash a custom kernel with s-on?
please respond this is the only thing keeping me from rooting
swiftfraser said:
Guys,
can you flash a custom kernel with s-on?
please respond this is the only thing keeping me from rooting
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Y y yes, although you can only flash them via fastboot with HTCdev unlock.
foX2delta said:
@Fredericosilva
Read some... and read some more...
If you wish to s-off then you need to downgrade to a supported hboot, search the general thread (search:downgrade) for how to.
If you wish to stay s-on and have most of the advantages of s-off (root/recovery/roms) then you need to use HTCdev, but your warranty could be voided.
To me the best way would be; downgrade, revolutionary to s-off, install 4ext recovery, and use it to install super user.
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I am a little scared to downgrade, are many steps....
- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20535265&postcount=26
- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22271797&postcount=11
hboot 2.00.0002 will be supported by Revolutionary? If it will be i prefer wait instead of do something wrong and damage my beauty.
@Fredericosilva
It may be supported down the line..... Not a guarantee though.
Many steps..... not really.... Its up to you at the end of the day.
If you don't want to downgrade your hboot u can try this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525100
It'll leave your phone s-on, but you'll be root and you'll be able to flash roms.
So if I follow this guide what is the difference between this and do s-off?
I'll be able to install custom roms and install app that requiring root?
What the difference?
I rooted my phone earlier this week using the unlock bootloader method that HTCdev provided, and then rooted my phone, still have S-ON. At first I was very excited, but as I began trying to do other stuff, like flashing the kernel to overclock, flashing a rom and such I found out that it was not possible to do while I still had S-ON. So i went back, locked the bootloader, downgraded the bootloader 0.98.0000 and then used the Revolutiony.io to get the S-OFF and unlock the bootloader. It worked like a charm, and the method described in the guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20535265&postcount=26
is very easy to go by. It is, as mentioned earlier entirely up to you whether or not you want to do it. But I won't suggest waiting for Revolutionary to support the updated bootloader, since it might never happen and you'll end up growing weary knowing that you'll miss out all the fun you could have with a custom rom, overclocking and so on
Gormsen said:
I rooted my phone earlier this week using the unlock bootloader method that HTCdev provided, and then rooted my phone, still have S-ON. At first I was very excited, but as I began trying to do other stuff, like flashing the kernel to overclock, flashing a rom and such I found out that it was not possible to do while I still had S-ON. So i went back, locked the bootloader, downgraded the bootloader 0.98.0000 and then used the Revolutiony.io to get the S-OFF and unlock the bootloader. It worked like a charm, and the method described in the guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20535265&postcount=26
is very easy to go by. It is, as mentioned earlier entirely up to you whether or not you want to do it. But I won't suggest waiting for Revolutionary to support the updated bootloader, since it might never happen and you'll end up growing weary knowing that you'll miss out all the fun you could have with a custom rom, overclocking and so on
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Your DS was hboot 2.00.0002 2.3.5?
Non Branded?
I guess I will try it when I have time...
Gormsen said:
I rooted my phone earlier this week using the unlock bootloader method that HTCdev provided, and then rooted my phone, still have S-ON. At first I was very excited, but as I began trying to do other stuff, like flashing the kernel to overclock, flashing a rom and such I found out that it was not possible to do while I still had S-ON. So i went back, locked the bootloader, downgraded the bootloader 0.98.0000 and then used the Revolutiony.io to get the S-OFF and unlock the bootloader. It worked like a charm, and the method described in the guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20535265&postcount=26
is very easy to go by. It is, as mentioned earlier entirely up to you whether or not you want to do it. But I won't suggest waiting for Revolutionary to support the updated bootloader, since it might never happen and you'll end up growing weary knowing that you'll miss out all the fun you could have with a custom rom, overclocking and so on
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it is possible to flash a custom rom, look at this tutorial i've posted before, you only have to do it via fastboot. I'm not sure about the kernel thing.
Fredericosilva said:
So if I follow this guide what is the difference between this and do s-off?
I'll be able to install custom roms and install app that requiring root?
What the difference?
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you can flash custom roms, but you'll have to do it via fastboot. So it takes a bit more time. i'm not sure about other differences
ok so i just got this phone a few hours ago... so far ive used the HTC tool kit to unlock, flash CWM and gain root. fastboot says im still S-ON though but im unlocked and can confirm i have root access so is it safe to flash a custom ROM? my H-BOOT is 1.45.0013 & sw # is 1.63.531.2710RD. ive read that i can flash GB roms no prob but just wanted to make sure so i dont screw something up. thanks
lowrider262 said:
ok so i just got this phone a few hours ago... so far ive used the HTC tool kit to unlock, flash CWM and gain root. fastboot says im still S-ON though but im unlocked and can confirm i have root access so is it safe to flash a custom ROM? my H-BOOT is 1.45.0013 & sw # is 1.63.531.2710RD. ive read that i can flash GB roms no prob but just wanted to make sure so i dont screw something up. thanks
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Yes, it is safe to flash a ROM. Unfortunately, you'll have to extract the boot.img from the ROM's zip file and flash it through fastboot, however, since S-ON does not allow flashing the kernel through CWM. There are several stickied threads that show you how to do so in the Android Development section.
lowrider262 said:
ok so i just got this phone a few hours ago... so far ive used the HTC tool kit to unlock, flash CWM and gain root. fastboot says im still S-ON though but im unlocked and can confirm i have root access so is it safe to flash a custom ROM? my H-BOOT is 1.45.0013 & sw # is 1.63.531.2710RD. ive read that i can flash GB roms no prob but just wanted to make sure so i dont screw something up. thanks
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You can achieve s-off here via Juopunutbear. Be warned that your SD car will likely be wiped out in the process, so back up your data just in case.
michaelmab88 said:
You can achieve s-off here via Juopunutbear. Be warned that your SD car will likely be wiped out in the process, so back up your data just in case.
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I heard that the juopunutbear method has a high chance of bricking the device...
HappyKhicken said:
I heard that the juopunutbear method has a high chance of bricking the device...
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All I've been seeing is confirmations that it does work.. but I haven't been looking too hard, since I'm happily s-off.
Hi guys i recently updated my HTC Sensation 4G from 2.3.4 to OTA ICS 4.0.3
and now this is how my Hboot Looks Like:
***LOCKED***
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.27.0000
RADIO-11.23.3504.07_M2
OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012, 17:33:34
so basically i remained S-Off after updating from 2.3.4 to 4.0.3, so i want to install Root and Custom Recovery Again.
Since im in ICS, 1- Which custom recovery should i install? (Regular or Touch)
2- which Root should i install Superuser or SuperSu?
3- is there a guide to accomplish this?
4- can any1 tell me or direct me or guide me or link me where to go to get this done?
thanks in advanced
dr69 said:
Hi guys i recently updated my HTC Sensation 4G from 2.3.4 to OTA ICS 4.0.3
and now this is how my Hboot Looks Like:
***LOCKED***
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.27.0000
RADIO-11.23.3504.07_M2
OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012, 17:33:34
so basically i remained S-Off after updating from 2.3.4 to 4.0.3, so i want to install Root and Custom Recovery Again.
Since im in ICS, 1- Which custom recovery should i install? (Regular or Touch)
2- which Root should i install Superuser or SuperSu?
3- is there a guide to accomplish this?
4- can any1 tell me or direct me or guide me or link me where to go to get this done?
thanks in advanced
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Hi,
You should be OK to just install something like ARHD ROM
It contains root and recovery,which are installed when you flash the ROM...
On the [OP] is also a superwipe which will clean and prepare your phone for the new ROM.
Backup your stuff,place the superwipe and ROM on the root of your sd card and flash from recovery
Thanks for.your response but I'm really not interested in installing Custom Roms at the moment, just Stock Rom for now.
Can you please if u know or have any info on doing the.rooting and Custom Recovery by myself.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
Easy enough ..find chainfires supersu thread and at the bottom download the attachment flash it..but before that..put your device in fast boot via USB..flash any recovery like say cwr(cwm) by typing fastboot flash recovery recoverynamehere.img then flash root file on your SD let me know if your confused
Sent from an AOKP Sensation 4G
I would recommend my tool. Link in signature.
You can Root since you have S Off
kgs1992 said:
I would recommend my tool. Link in signature.
You can Root since you have S Off
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I've already downloaded your tool and tried to install 4EXT recovery, but when I restarted to Hboot, it's still stock recovery there. I'm in the same boat as the guy above, with S-off and stock-everything ICS. What should I do now?
Yo_2T said:
I've already downloaded your tool and tried to install 4EXT recovery, but when I restarted to Hboot, it's still stock recovery there. I'm in the same boat as the guy above, with S-off and stock-everything ICS. What should I do now?
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Did you download the recovery.img from the attachments?
If you are SOff then either of the 2 methods should work.
Which recovery is that, CWM or 4EXT? Normal or Touch?
Cause I read that 4ext is better for ics
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
dr69 said:
Which recovery is that, CWM or 4EXT? Normal or Touch?
Cause I read that 4ext is better for ics
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
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4EXT touch. If you'd please care to read the tool thread.
kgs1992 said:
Did you download the recovery.img from the attachments?
If you are SOff then either of the 2 methods should work.
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Ok so I downloaded the file you mentioned, then it gets to here "writing recovery....FAILED...remote: not allowed" what does that mean?
Yo_2T said:
Ok so I downloaded the file you mentioned, then it gets to here "writing recovery....FAILED...remote: not allowed" what does that mean?
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You need either an unlocked bootloader or a ENG bootloader to be able to flash recovery.
kgs1992 said:
You need either an unlocked bootloader or a ENG bootloader to be able to flash recovery.
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So can I use the option in your tool to install ENG bootloader? I used Revolutionary to gain S-off before.
Yo_2T said:
So can I use the option in your tool to install ENG bootloader? I used Revolutionary to gain S-off before.
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Revolutionary is an engineering (ENG) bootloader
Oh ok so ENG stands for Engeneering I thought it stranded for English, sorry but I'm still new to all this Android Terminology.
You know, someone should make a thread with all these android terminology and make it a Sticky.
Thanks for the info.
Btw, do you know since I got my Sm-Off back with GB and now I updated to ICS and I see that my bootloader says S-Off still, am I still good for Custom Recovery and Root?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
HOLY CRAP! can this be any more confusing. I've been following this thread waiting for a final answer and still nothing. If anyone gets this done, please do a step by step for those of us not willing to blaze new ground here.
I know there are tons of us in the same boat. Upgraded to ICS stock and wanting to keep the ROM, just open ourselves up to CWM flashing options and root required apps.
Based on what the original poster is going through here, most of us do not want to chase down link after link.
I'll keep watching hoping for a final answer. Make the last post a link to the STEP by STEP.
Thanks all for your patience.
Look, you basically need a bootloader that says *unlocked*, *revolutionary* & *juopunutbear*.
If you are S Off but locked, flash an ENG Hboot.
If you are S On & locked, unlock using HTC Dev or S Off using JB.
Now, after this, flash 4EXT recovery & then root the device.
If your Hboot version is less than 1.27 flash firmware.
I'm assuming you are already on stock, so you have a stock rooted rom with custom recovery.
All of these can be done using my tool.
That's about as much I can help you with.
Also, when you talk about being new, look at when I've joined & when you'll have.
I got my first android phone a month ago & I'm on XDA since less than 3 weeks!
(No offence meant, but please try searching)
dr69 said:
Oh ok so ENG stands for Engeneering I thought it stranded for English, sorry but I'm still new to all this Android Terminology.
You know, someone should make a thread with all these android terminology and make it a Sticky.
Thanks for the info.
Btw, do you know since I got my Sm-Off back with GB and now I updated to ICS and I see that my bootloader says S-Off still, am I still good for Custom Recovery and Root?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
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Just try my... One click root... Guide in my signature... No recovery required.. Just soff is enough
Sent from my pyramid.. Through blazing fast sonic waves
Regarding ur tool v6.4.2
kgs1992 said:
I would recommend my tool. Link in signature.
You can Root since you have S Off
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ok i just downloaded your tool from your the link under your signature and is version 6.4.2 and i think i remeber you or someone else suggesting that i needed to install the ENG option which is option 10 but then your tools says that option 10 in intended for devices who have been S-Off using the JB S-Off (juopunutbear or something, the wire trick thingy). so mine as you can see in the first post im S-Off but im still remained Locked from upgrading from 2.3.4 to 4.0.3 but i have never used the JB method, sooooo does option 10 applies to me or NOT?
how do i get the ***LOCKED*** to say something else? do i need a different bootloader or a different hboot or a different recovery or what?
what do i need to get: have in mind that im gonna try using your tool
***LOCKED*** into something else?
Custom Recovery?
Root? SuperSU or Superuser?
etc and everything else needed to have full control of my phone?
also can you tell me with your tool in order to understand you better what would be the steps i have to follow in order to achieve all this? for example: step 1 for S-off, then step 3 for custom rec. ext4, then step 4 root device, etc, etc you know what i mean just for me to follow up without screwing up my device, since im gonna follow ur instructions to the letter.
if you need more info on my device all you need is on my first post
thanks man i would really appreciate it
dr69 said:
ok i just downloaded your tool from your the link under your signature and is version 6.4.2 and i think i remeber you or someone else suggesting that i needed to install the ENG option which is option 10 but then your tools says that option 10 in intended for devices who have been S-Off using the JB S-Off (juopunutbear or something, the wire trick thingy). so mine as you can see in the first post im S-Off but im still remained Locked from upgrading from 2.3.4 to 4.0.3 but i have never used the JB method, sooooo does option 10 applies to me or NOT?
how do i get the ***LOCKED*** to say something else? do i need a different bootloader or a different hboot or a different recovery or what?
what do i need to get: have in mind that im gonna try using your tool
***LOCKED*** into something else?
Custom Recovery?
Root? SuperSU or Superuser?
etc and everything else needed to have full control of my phone?
also can you tell me with your tool in order to understand you better what would be the steps i have to follow in order to achieve all this? for example: step 1 for S-off, then step 3 for custom rec. ext4, then step 4 root device, etc, etc you know what i mean just for me to follow up without screwing up my device, since im gonna follow ur instructions to the letter.
if you need more info on my device all you need is on my first post
thanks man i would really appreciate it
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Too many questions, seems you're confused.
Please head to IRC & find me there. SigPic (REALTIME IRC) has link.
EDIT: To briefly explain, it doesn't matter Revolutionary S Off or Juopunut Bear S Off.
The ENG Hboot is compatible with both.
After this, you can choose to install custom recovery if you want to or, just root right away.
It is always advisable to have custom recovery installed.
Ok this is the pics of the.tool scroolong up all the time
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk 2
I've been reading a little on this S-off thing and was wondering what its purpose actually is and what the advantages are from doing it? I know I was able to flash my HTC Vivid without it so what is it really used for? Thank you in advance.
Answer...
phrotac said:
I've been reading a little on this S-off thing and was wondering what its purpose actually is and what the advantages are from doing it? I know I was able to flash my HTC Vivid without it so what is it really used for? Thank you in advance.
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See: What Is S-OFF & How To Gain It On HTC Android Phones With unrevoked forever
In a nutshell, S-OFF means that the NAND portion of the device is unlocked and can be written to. The default setting for HTC’s devices is S-ON, which means that neither can you access certain areas of the system nor can you guarantee a permanent root. Furthermore, signature check for firmware images is also ensured by the S-ON flag.
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---------- Post added at 11:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:58 PM ----------
Basically, if you are going to be installing custom ROMs, you probably want to set s-off so you can flash unsigned ROMs.
Very interesting. Thank you for responding That gives me something to think about.
In short. S-OFF allows you to change pretty much everything. Your CID, firmware (radio, hboot etc) and most important thing probably, allows you to flash older RUUs
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using Tapatalk 2
If you are going to be changing roms, themes, etc, then leave it off. If not then turn in back on.
kdub83 said:
If you are going to be changing roms, themes, etc, then leave it off. If not then turn in back on.
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I found the perfect ROM from WCX but I never had to use a wire on it though. Is HTCdev the reason why? I'm just trying to figure out this whole s-off thing because I saw a video where someone used a piece of insulated wire and was wondering why. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough with my questions earlier... My bad.
S-OFF
Hi - I've had HTC devices since the Eris way back in 2010 - currently running the Rezound. Hopefully I can shed some more light.
When I first got the Rezound I was coming over from an S-OFF Eris... if you wanted to flash something custom, you'd go to htcdev.com and use their "unlock bootloader" tool. Once you ran that and followed a few other steps, you are reverted to stock and your bootloader now has a little warning "unlocked" in the text at the top. This was in January 2012, and ROMs back then came with 2 things - the ROM and a Kernel. You had to flash the kernel separatley (and via the bootloader as opposed to a custom recovery), as S-ON (even unlocked) still won't let you write to certain places (in the case of the kernel, its the boot partition).
We got S-OFF several months later (the thing using the wire trick). In S-OFF - custom recovery can write to all areas of the device - no more need for any separate files, you just flash a ROM in custom recovery and everything is set up the way it should be. Added bonus - no need to unlock the bootloader from htcdev... so no "unlocked" warning message.
Here was my S-OFF process:
1. Run the official RUU exe to get your device back to stock with a Locked bootloader (backup any files on the SDCard first!).
2. Perform the wire trick
3. Flash a custom recovery and proceed with flashing ROMS
Let me know if I can clarify anything...
Basically allows you to flash RADIOS that have not been signed by HTC
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Ryan Kasper said:
Hi - I've had HTC devices since the Eris way back in 2010 - currently running the Rezound. Hopefully I can shed some more light.
When I first got the Rezound I was coming over from an S-OFF Eris... if you wanted to flash something custom, you'd go to htcdev.com and use their "unlock bootloader" tool. Once you ran that and followed a few other steps, you are reverted to stock and your bootloader now has a little warning "unlocked" in the text at the top. This was in January 2012, and ROMs back then came with 2 things - the ROM and a Kernel. You had to flash the kernel separatley (and via the bootloader as opposed to a custom recovery), as S-ON (even unlocked) still won't let you write to certain places (in the case of the kernel, its the boot partition).
We got S-OFF several months later (the thing using the wire trick). In S-OFF - custom recovery can write to all areas of the device - no more need for any separate files, you just flash a ROM in custom recovery and everything is set up the way it should be. Added bonus - no need to unlock the bootloader from htcdev... so no "unlocked" warning message.
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Thank you very much. That DOES explain it very well.
Ryan Kasper said:
Here was my S-OFF process:
1. Run the official RUU exe to get your device back to stock with a Locked bootloader (backup any files on the SDCard first!).
2. Perform the wire trick
3. Flash a custom recovery and proceed with flashing ROMS
Let me know if I can clarify anything...
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Are you saying I can make my bootloader say LOCKED again? I thought I could only make it say UNLOCKED or RELOCKED now that I've unlocked it. That is so awesome. And then the s-off will give me permanent root?
Are you saying I can make my bootloader say LOCKED again? I thought I could only make it say UNLOCKED or RELOCKED now that I've unlocked it. That is so awesome. And then the s-off will give me permanent root?
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Yup! Once you are S-OFF you will be back on the stock bootloader that reads "locked". There are a variety of HBOOTS (AKA Bootloaders) you can flash (well - there are for my device currently...). For the Rezound right now I have a variety of them with different verbages in the title (example - "locked S-ON", "Rezound") - or you can simply leave it at the stock HBOOT though you will not be able to flash, say a custom recovery, using fastboot in the bootloader via a terminal emulator (you have to use the PH98IMG.zip method in the bootloader)... Also the devs that made the wire trick available offer their own hboot "juopunutbear" - this one allows fastboot recovery flashing... - here for the vivid http://unlimited.io/jb_holiday.htm
Also - be VERY careful when updating the bootloader - it is a very common way to brick the device... I always check the MD5Sum before copying to SD and flashing.
And regarding permanent root - absolutely. Flash SuperSU from custom recovery (the zip version available here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
Ryan Kasper said:
Yup! Once you are S-OFF you will be back on the stock bootloader that reads "locked". There are a variety of HBOOTS (AKA Bootloaders) you can flash (well - there are for my device currently...). For the Rezound right now I have a variety of them with different verbages in the title (example - "locked S-ON", "Rezound") - or you can simply leave it at the stock HBOOT though you will not be able to flash, say a custom recovery, using fastboot in the bootloader via a terminal emulator (you have to use the PH98IMG.zip method in the bootloader)... Also the devs that made the wire trick available offer their own hboot "juopunutbear" - this one allows fastboot recovery flashing... - here for the vivid http://unlimited.io/jb_holiday.htm
Also - be VERY careful when updating the bootloader - it is a very common way to brick the device... I always check the MD5Sum before copying to SD and flashing.
And regarding permanent root - absolutely. Flash SuperSU from custom recovery (the zip version available here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
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This information is golden. Thank you very much
tinky1 said:
In short. S-OFF allows you to change pretty much everything. Your CID, firmware (radio, hboot etc) and most important thing probably, allows you to flash older RUUs
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Awesome! I have a couple more questions still *scratches head in confusion*...
Once I S-Off, can I reverse it if needed?
and
<Ignore this part... I found the information LOL>
What is an RUU? I have googled it and I can't find anything about it (maybe I'm just too tired or something)
phrotac said:
Awesome! I have a couple more questions still *scratches head in confusion*...
Once I S-Off, can I reverse it if needed?
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Yup - here is how I'd do it if I had to for my device - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612937 - careful if you do and read any warnings (brick opportunities again)
Hi,
It is possible, if I install custom rom, some function will not work without S-OFF?
The phone was routed and unlokced but it was S-ON.
So, i have updated my phone ota by htc so that now i have hboot 1.29 and ics installed with sense 3.6
I have no wifi/bluetooth anymore (MAC adres missing and bluetooth ID missing), so i was thinking in installing a custom rom/kernel whatever necessary to get my phone working properly again.
I think i read all the big guides and tutorials to be found in the sensation forum here. :good:
But that made me even more insecure.
What is it with the tools like the super utility from kgs1992, or the all-in-one toolkit.
i find threads about S-off, Super CID root, dev unlock and so on.
so, maybe someone here can give me one clear answer what i need to do in what order to exactly get my phone in a custom rom (let's say elegancia sense 4.1 themed?)
question one, what should i do first and what next?
first unlock over HTC dev (this i also a factory reset, isn't it?)
S-off (wire trick) (there are enough video's in youtube i guess)
then flash/install recovery (which one?)
Is this all correct?
at this point, am i rooted? and if not what comes next?
So what then? customrom? (how, what)? perm root? super cid? what do i need in what order?
in more than one place i read about rom as a file with the extension .img. But the elegancia download is a zip file.
what about the super tool, there they talk about a kernel, not a rom to flash.
And what about radio, is that a total different game? or is flashing a custom rom doing the interface, the kernel AND the radio in one go?
I hope i don't ask to much from anyone. I know there is a LOT of tutorials to be found already, but they are not all the same and often written to cover all versions and stuff. I can't see through all these things and hope to get some confidence by asking for my specific situation. :angel:
I'll try to explain stuff briefly ..hoping that it will solve other confusions too
well here it goes ...
1. First...Sensation by default is completely locked device (internal memory is locked )..so to either root the phone or run a custom rom ..you need to first unlock it.
2. Remember rooting the device and running custom rom are different
rooting: by doing this you will have complete control of the rom you are running be it stock or custom rom (its like administrative privileges in WIndows 7)
custom rom: this is changing the rom itself (like changing the OS From windows 7 to linux on PC )...and all custom roms comes pre rooted ..so once you flash/install a custom rom no need to root it again
3. Now The unlock procedure can be done in two different ways
3.1. HTC-DEV unlock : a process provided by HTC itself to support rooting of devices and running custom roms
(its a semi unlock...confused? will explain the difference later ..read on )
3.2. S-OFF: it means Security-off ..which implies unlocking the device completely (complete internal memory is unlocked)
S-OFF in turn has couple of ways to achieve it
3.2.1 S-OFF using revolutionary...It will only work on old bootloaders ..i.e. upto 1.18 HBOOT/BOOTLOADER (to put it simply it's for the sensation devices on gingerbread version of Android I.e. 2.3 version)
3.2.2 S-OFF using juopunutbear ..it will unlock even the current hboots (1.27/1.29 etc etc) (this method is primarily for sensation devices on ICS version of Android I.e. 4.0)
This juopunutbear inturn has two more ways
3.2.2.1. using juopunutbear after doing HTC-DEV unlock ..this process wipes the phone (because of HTC-DEV unlock) but the wire-trick (most imp step) is easier
(why juopunutbear ..if you already unlocked your device using HTC-DEV ? ..explained later ..read on )
3.2.2.2. using juopunutbear without HTC-DEV unlock required ..this process is harder at wire-trick part (comparatively)
4. Difference between HTC-DEV unlock and S-OFF:
to explain this ..I'll try to give a pictorial representation of Sensation Device
Sensation as a whole has different partitions (or blocks ) ..so the whole device can be divided like this
Recovery --------firmware--------ROM (or OS)
Recovery: its a recovery mode ..the name says it all ..we change/tweak/modify rom from here ..(remember only ROM ..not firmware)
eg: stock recovery, 4EXT recovery, CWM recovery, TWRP recovery etc etc (the later 3 are custom recoveries for flashing
custom roms
Firmware: all the lowest level stuff comes here ...typically bootloader, radio etc etc
we flash/install Recovery and stock ROMS from bootloader.
stock roms are ..called RUU's (Rom Update Utility) and are provided by HTC ...they are in .exe format and the actual stock ROMS are extracted from the RUU which will be in "img" format
ROMS: the actual custom/stock rom comes here ..this typically has three partitions/areas
1. data partition: all your apps/app data and all the phone data you eneter goes here
when you factory reset your device this partition is erased so that phone gets resetted to factory state
2. system partition: all the system apps and system stuff will lie here
(in case of carrier locked Sensation ..like T-Mobile all the T-Mobile junk apps reside here)
this area is locked in general ..rooting typically means getting this region unlocked ..so that you can change
anything in the rom
3. boot partition: your kernel lies here along with other stuff (this region is responsible for the phone to boot) Now it should be obvious that Radio aka a part of Firmware wont be there in a custom ROM and typical custom roms comes in zip format
Now HTC-DEV process only unlocks Recovery and ROM partitions (which are more than enough for installing custom roms or rooting)
This way of unlocking is safer as tinkering with Firmware is not really needed and if mistakes were made in changing the firmware the device can get bricked permanently.
but SOFF provides unlock on every partition of the Device ..thus complete unlock..thus more ease also more risks
Now the big question -> why SOFF needed if HTC-DEV is safer ?
Reasons:
1. Firmware and Rom partitions are dependent ..to be more clear
Ginger Bread (GB) firmware (1.17 firmware) ..supports only GB roms ...ICS or above roms wont boot
and
ICS firmware(3.32/3.33 firmware) ...supports only ICS and above ROMS (Jelly Bean(JB) roms are supported too )
thus if you do HTC-DEV unlock when on Ginger Bread you can only boot GB custom roms as you can't change/modify firmware over HTC-DEV unlock.
if you did HTC-DEV unlock over ICS rom..you are good to go with all the latest ICS/JB custom roms
2. Flashing/installing ROM from custom recovery with HTC-DEV unlock...requires an extra step...and if that extra step is not done ..phone wont boot (literally around 90% threads in Q&A section are about this problem as people didn't knew about the extra step )
3. some people require a change in radio ..to improve phone/data signal which isn't possible if you did just HTC-DEV unlock (as radio is part of firmware )
Another question that might come to your mind... What is the advantage of rooting the device on stock rom ..before installing a custom rom?
Answer:
people might say ..why root the device before installing custom rom when the custom rom comes pre-rooted
well here is the answer ..."to backup your phone and its data"
Remember this when installing a custom rom ..you need to wipe the phone(all the internal memory ..sdcard wiping is not needed) ..thus you will lose all data
but before wiping if you root the phone..you can backup all the user apps and its data ..also call logs, messages/MMS, wifi access points, bluetooth pairings. contatcs etc etc to your sdcard using a root app (an app which requires root permission to work ) ...and once you install the custom rom ..you can restore all the backup
..(makes things easier ..isn't it ? )
5. Miscellaneous terms:
Supercid:
CID -> carrier identification ..its a 8 characterterm used in the device to identify the proper Firmware or stock rom (RUU ..remember?)
as sensation is a global device ..there are different variants of firmware and stock Roms which are uniquely identified by this cid ..
eg: T-Mobile US locked sensation has CID: T-MOBO10, europe unbranded sensation has cid HTC__001 etc etc
so when flashing firmware/stock rom ..you need to find the proper one based on your phone cid ....
but if you do a supercid (i.e changing CID to 11111111) ..you can flash any firmware/stock rom (in form of RUU )
supercid can only be done ..over SOFF and wont/might not work over HTC-DEV unlock
also now there are Universal Firmwares ..aka Firmwares which can be flashed over ( SOFF) device having any CID ..thus Supercid is now kinda obsolete
hoping that things are clear now ..
few threads that are much detailed
1. "flashing roms while SON" by askickar in sensation general section ...(which explains flashing rom with just HTC-DEV unlock together with the extra step needed (remember ?) )..thread here
2. SOFF process threads ...for soff with HTC-DEV unlock ..thread here
3. SOFF without HTC-DEV unlock ...look in my signature for the thread
4. General way of flashing ROMS with Firmware flashing ..with ARHD Rom as reference...by joaquinf ..thread here
Happy flashing
Damn! now that is an explanation! Really really thanks for that! :victory:
I learned to always give feedback in your own words to check if you understood everything correctly.
If it is only for changing the 'interface'/running system part of the phone (that's called a ROM ), i can do with devunlock and flash a recovery, then flash a custom rom that is compatible for my version
(android 4.0.3 ICS/htc 3.6 sofware build 3.33.401.154/hboot 1.2900/kernel 3.0.16)
so any rom that has version 3.33 i can use it.
i don't need S-off per sé. (correct?)
doing above is already rooting, because i get (partially) access (or full access when S-off) to otherwise locked part of the system.
i have to flash a recovery to get influence when installing a new rom. so that means i NEED to flash a recovery to the phone before i flash a rom?
in short for my situation:
1. Do devunlock.
2. flash a recovery.
3. flash a custom rom to my phones specs as above.
so before or after step 1 i CAN do S-off using juopunutbear and the wiretrick
The easiest way to do all above is using the 'sensation all in one kit'
super CID i don't need, perm root is also optionally what can do as in the super tool kit is offered
But my fear is that the mac adres/wifi and bluetooth problems are from the 'lower level' of the system called firmware/kernel. (correct? or will flashing any custom rom already help me with solving my hardware part of the problems on the phone? besides giving me a much newer and cleaner installation with lot's of nice things, of course)
Main question still is? will a custom rom solve my wifi and bluetooth problems, or do i need more than above?
and ps, where does superswipe fit in all this? i read it's needed for instance at some versions of elegancia.
WOW Ganesh,what are you on?
@klimpetje
Wifi and bluetooth are on the "Radio" level.
Use an app from the market called "Getril"
This will show if you have the best radio/ril combination for your area.
Custom ROM MAY solve this problem.
Do not use "Superwipe" scripts.
Install 4 EXT recovery,and use the "Format all partitions (except sd card)"
doing above is already rooting, because i get (partially) access (or full access when S-off) to otherwise locked part of the system.
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this ..is partially true ...once you do SOFF/HTC-DEV unlock ..the system partition can be unlocked ..and to actually make it unlock ..you need root
so that means i NEED to flash a recovery to the phone before i flash a rom?
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yes
But my fear is that the mac adres/wifi and bluetooth problems are from the 'lower level' of the system called firmware/kernel. (correct? or will flashing any custom rom already help me with solving my hardware part of the problems on the phone? besides giving me a much newer and cleaner installation with lot's of nice things, of course)
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the wifi and bluetooth modules are part of the ROM and drivers are part of radio ..so flashing CUSTOM ROM might/might not solve the issue
the chances of drivers getting corrupted are less ..as those areas are locked even when the OTA was applied...so custom ROM might solve your issue
superwipe -->as malybru said "not needed "..use the inbuilt wipe options present in recovery (this is done ..before flashing custom rom )
@malybru
WOW Ganesh,what are you on?
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too much routine work/port im doing ...bored and came across this post
Nice guide ganeshp!
@ganeshp
Wow, that was really a nice and quick, yet thorough explanation! Cudos for being so helpful!
I was just wondering, is there any good reason to upgrade firmware after having S-OFF, custom recovery and flashed a working JB ROM?
Actually, I don't even know which firmware I have, but my last stock ROM before going custom was ICS.
My bootloader says:
Code:
=JuopunutBear=
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.27.1111
RADIO-11.22.3504.07_M
OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012, 17:33:34
I can't really figure out which firmware it is - wasn't it supposed to be either 3.32 or 3.33?
PS: I'm currently on Paranoid v.21.
tachylatus said:
@ganeshp
Wow, that was really a nice and quick, yet thorough explanation! Cudos for being so helpful!
I was just wondering, is there any good reason to upgrade firmware after having S-OFF, custom recovery and flashed a working JB ROM?
Actually, I don't even know which firmware I have, but my last stock ROM before going custom was ICS.
My bootloader says:
Code:
=JuopunutBear=
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.27.1111
RADIO-11.22.3504.07_M
OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012, 17:33:34
I can't really figure out which firmware it is - wasn't it supposed to be either 3.32 or 3.33?
PS: I'm currently on Paranoid v.21.
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based on the radio ..you have i can safely say that the firmware is 3.32
but to confirm it ..the output of this command gives you the firmware
(the command should be typed in PC ..by opening the terminal where the adb/fastboot files are there ...with phone connected to PC from bootloader (phone says FASTBOOT USB if connected properly ))
fastboot getvar version-main
tachylatus said:
@ganeshp
Wow, that was really a nice and quick, yet thorough explanation! Cudos for being so helpful!
I was just wondering, is there any good reason to upgrade firmware after having S-OFF, custom recovery and flashed a working JB ROM?
Actually, I don't even know which firmware I have, but my last stock ROM before going custom was ICS.
My bootloader says:
Code:
=JuopunutBear=
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.27.1111
RADIO-11.22.3504.07_M
OpenADSP-v02.6.0.2226.00.0131
eMMC-boot
Jan 13 2012, 17:33:34
I can't really figure out which firmware it is - wasn't it supposed to be either 3.32 or 3.33?
PS: I'm currently on Paranoid v.21.
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the only difference between 3.32fw and 3.33fw is radio upgrade
but you can check your fw version by doing this:
from bootloader connect your device to pc
open a command prompt and do
fastboot getvar version-main
then it will show you your firmware version
Thanks guys
My version is apparently 3.24.401.1.
I wonder if an upgrade will improve stability/performance.
Would you recommend following this guide, or should I just stay with the current version?
*edit*
I think I might give this a shot
Firmware information thread
The guy says something about most people reporting their devices to become noticeably faster after flashing.
tachylatus said:
Thanks guys
My version is apparently 3.24.401.1.
I wonder if an upgrade will improve stability/performance.
Would you recommend following this guide, or should I just stay with the current version?
*edit*
I think I might give this a shot
Firmware information thread
The guy says something about most people reporting their devices to become noticeably faster after flashing.
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the only difference between 3.32fw and 3.33fw is radio ugrade
but in order to flash the latest ARHD rom probably requires 3.32 or 3.33(not so sure maybe it boots with 3.24 otherwise flash a higher fw version)
Great succes! :good:
I installed universal firmware 3.33.
Wouldn't boot ROM, so I used recovery to wipe cache, dalvik and battery stats, then reflash Paranoid v.21.
Works like a charm! Lightning fast
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda app-developers app
ganeshp said:
I'll try to explain stuff briefly ..hoping that it will solve other confusions too
well here it goes ...
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Really good stuff Ganeshp, wish I'd come across this earlier it's just what one needs when you enter this world fun trying to piece together all the terms being banded around. A huge time saver to have the 'glossary' and explanations in one place allowing the research time to go to the meat of the matter rather than sorting out the confusion that naturally occurs when starting up.
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I'll try to explain stuff briefly ..hoping that it will solve other confusions too
well here it goes ...
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Awesome Ganeshp, I am also new to this forum and this clears pretty much everything! I love how this Sensation forum is soo helpfull, thanks guys Im glad I bought my Sensation