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OK wasn't sure if I wanted to post in an existing thread or ask this in a new one. Obviously I chose the latter. I'm gonna kind of play Devils Advocate here and wonder aloud: If the carriers are leaning on manufacturers to lock down their bootloader, kernels, etc... mainly because people are using the Hotspot and Tethering features without having to pay for it like everyone else.. IS there a good case for them?
I ask because I have never tethered or anything like that. (No need with a 22 Mbps cable internet connection) I wonder about this and kind of liken it to deciding whether to buy a CD (or pay for a digital download via Amazon or the like) or just to jump on a torrent site and download it for free. We can debate all day about the morality of something like that, but in the end, it is what it is. Theft. (To some degree) So is this what "free" tethering on rooted phones is like?
Since I have never tethered, I have an honest no-s*it question: Does using the tethering feature dig into one's data plan? Since the carriers are roundly getting rid of "unlimited" data, this brings up another issue. IF tethering, whether free on a rooted phone or legit on a stock phone, does use one's data, then I'd think the carriers' argument is a weak one. If a rooted user wants to tether and not pay for it, and before long hits that magic cap and is throttled down to a slow trickle, then hasn't this problem solved itself?
I just ask since I find the HTC issue pretty disturbing. I love the openess of the Android platform and would like to see that live on. I'm just trying to conceive why HTC (and other companies) OR the carriers themselves are so hostile to the rooting/dev community. Just looking for some input and a little edumacation on the tethering issue.
I don't really think it's much to do with tethering, as most carriers throttle down data speed after a certain amount of usage per month.
I think it's more about selling more phones. Pretty soon, phone hardware will reach sort of a plateau. I mean for now, if you want to run the latest OS and the latest software, you need a reasonably modern phone. In a year or two, your modern phone will be old news, but since it came with 2.1 Eclair and a bunch of bloatware and the Sense interface, all you'll have to do is root it, S-off, and flash a CM7 rom with A2SD and you'll have a practically brand new, whole different phone, capable of much better performance than before. The locked bootloader is an aim at preventing this trend from continuing into the future. They dont get rich by making the longest-lasting phones, they do so by selling the most phones year after year.
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Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
It is weak and just more gouging by the carriers! I teather all the time on an unlimited data plan, since I have no other connections at home....
As far as I am concerned it is NOT theft.. tethering is NOT a service, nothing new and not limited to any one brand of phone device. You pay for a data plan, are confined to the data caps of your plan "if any" and the speed of your phone regardless if the data comes up on your phones LCD or your laptop's.. period.
Not related. You can tether whether the bootloader is locked & encrypted or not. You don't even have to have root ie pdanet.
So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
I agree with the notion that rooting phones keeps them updated and alive longer meaning we don't need to buy phones so often unless we really want to.
Back in the day, after 2 years with one phone, we'd be killing for a new one, now, we can easily make our phones last that long.
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So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
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Bingo!!!!!!
killswitch11 said:
Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
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I agree 100%
So I got my letter from ATT the other day saying that they have detected tethering software on my phone and that if I dont remove it by 12/31/12 they will automatically bump me up to the 5GB tethering plan for $50/mo
Whats the best way to resolve this and still be able to run custom roms? Ideally I would still like to be able to tether for free (obviously) but at the very least just be able to not pay the $50/mo and still run custom roms.
I spoke with a customer service rep and told her I had no idea how to tether and asked if they could just put a block on it or something, and she said no, the software has been detected and it has to be removed.
Maybe I should call back and ask for supervisor?
Alternatively she said if I go into the att store and they can look at my phone and see that there is no tethering software, they can make a notation on my account.
So I suppose I could unroot, go into att store, have them note the account, and then root again.... that would probly be my last resort.
Thanks in advance for any help!
No, you do understand the second you tether they can detect it right? They also aren't idiots and can tell if you're running a custom ROM as well
I've heard about Verizon reps commenting about custom ROMs before
So you flashing back to stock and showing them there's nothing on the phone does nothing.
If you don't want to be charged then stop
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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They wouldn't make a notation on the account because tethering is possible with the stock software, there's quite a few apps on the market that allow this. So you could just uninstall it.
You didn't get the letter because of the custom ROM, you got it because you violated your contract by tethering. It may have taken them some time to send out the letter.
They have detected it so they will be watching for future violations
So my suggestion stays the same, stop tethering or pay for it
Pretty simple
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What Phil said although you may not agree with att's rules on tethering...its in the contact and you signed to it so you will get taken off your plan and to the 5gb plan if you continue
Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.
I am fairly new to ATT (came from Sprint)
Does this apply to wired tethering as well? Does someone using wired tether (such as pdanet) still have to pay, or is that free?
The way I think they catch people is # of hops it does to terminate data and packet sniffers so I'd just stay away even though pda may be a bit safer will LTE around theyre hunkering up
For the sake of mentioning this--its a topic which has been raked over in every phone forum, Android, Apple etc nd tablets too.
Doing a general and specific search on the Net seems to point to mostly theory. When I owned my previous iPhones and jailbroke, I used MyWi. However, the devs made it clear you could be caught.
That notion aside-many of us and this includes me, believe it comes down to being abusive with the tethering. Of course many would disagree but if you cared to specifically search iPhone sites and focused mostly on AT&T, it somewhat became clear they knew we were tethering since algorithms change when tethering. In conjunction, we also surmised they went after people who had unlimited data plans and really used the heck out of it.
I personally have tethered many times and many people I know too but we didn't use it too long. I've never gotten a notice from ATT but it doesn't mean they aren't watching. Not be be a jerk but your op is a topic I've seen literally hundreds of times. Everyone claims the same thing but no one seems to admit they abuse it. They noticed you for a reason is what it comes down to. I should also mention I've tethered my HOX as well.
In my personal opinion I believe we should be able to get a free amount of gigabytes to tether. Once over it, then you get charged. This is just a real touchy subject.
These are just my opinions.
Jon
ViperXL 2.4.0 w/ElementalX 3.1 kernel
I tethered without a tethering plan for years, first on my jailbroken iPhone and then on my HOX until I switched to the Mobile Share plans that include tethering. I never got caught, but I was also very careful not to abuse it by, for example, streaming video, moving large files, or doing things that a phone would never do untethered like updating my laptop's software.
I am convinced, from watching this issue over the years, that AT&T does two things: They mainly go after the data hogs, flagging people for tethering detection when they get close to or over their data caps; they also run spot checks on random accounts. Detecting tethering, should you get their attention, is dead simple, by the way. There are any number of ways to confirm it.
Once you're on their radar screen, the jig is up. Your only choices are to stop tethering or get a tethering plan.
Easy tether pro is working just fine on this. The battery life on my razr maxx hd seems to live up to the expectations. Sure the inability to install AdFree is a little irksom but I can deal with that. I also tried Tether for android and confirmed it works for short periods... it kept disconnecting.
I was able to disable many apps out of the box I don't use. Seriously Verizon, Zappos? I do wish I could disable that annoying webpage from loading when connecting to my laptop. And also disable verizon contacts backup. And whats up with that remote assistance not being able to be disabled, lol. Thank god I'm not paranoid. I do find it just a little intriguing we can't downgrade the OS, root, use root keeper, and update. But it will happen soon enough.
But really, and I will end my rant with this... why in the H*** does verizon think they can charge $100 more for the maxx, when the retail difference is only $50? The battery isnt even 1000mah bigger...
I'm seriously ready to learn how to develop just to implement webtop back into these devices....
So I am running a HTC phone and have made some mistakes. I have been trying to change my NAT type on x bone in order to play Rainbow six online with open NAT.
I tried tether to laptop then to box using a cross over cable and forwarding ports over Internet connection sharing. I also tried installing multiple port forwarder applications onto my phone and tethering directly to the XB. One app was meant for a rooted phone (port forward ultimate), which mine isn't and it would let me stop the process before uninstalling.
Unfortunately for me it didn't work and now the tethering speed is INSANELY slow. It tells me there is an MTU error (1340) and the games which used to work fine are now completely unplayable. I wish I had never done all of it just to play one game as the others worked fine.
I am really upset, because the bit of internet I get to play video game is barely keeping my alive at the moment and now its gone.
If you have any advice you would be helping a very ill man get a little bit of joy.
Thanks
Does anyone know anywhere in the UK where I can speak to a professional about my issue. I never get responses on this forum. Any other forums where professionals dwell and give advice/help?
Nobody has the knowledge to help at all?
Can't bring myself to believe that no one has any knowledge of what to do in this situation.
I will pay for someone to help me if that's what it takes to get someone to respond here.
So...If your Phone isn't rooted, you can try (if you have one) to recover all the information. If the Phone has a Guarantee, go to the shop where you buyed it. Since it isn't rooted the Guarantee is still on it. If all of that isn't an Option, the easiest way is to root the Phone (totally worth it anyway) and try an equal App. Not the same just onenwith the same function. Write back if none of these helps, and give some more Information about your mobile (S/N number Android Version...)
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So...If your Phone isn't rooted, you can try (if you have one) to recover all the information. If the Phone has a Guarantee, go to the shop where you buyed it. Since it isn't rooted the Guarantee is still on it. If all of that isn't an Option, the easiest way is to root the Phone (totally worth it anyway) and try an equal App. Not the same just onenwith the same function. Write back if none of these helps, and give some more Information about your mobile (S/N number Android Version...)
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Its nothing to do with being rooted or not, my ISP is throttling my tethering somehow and I don't know how or why they are doing it. It worked fine for months, but I tried opening my NAT. It think they are doing something with my IP, subnet mask or MTU, but I don't know how to get around it. Other than rooting and applying tether dun 0, which I would prefer not to do, I am at a loss
Correction, I do know why they are doing it, it's because I tried opening my NAT, which is not allowed. The latency in games has quadrupled. 4g was perfect before, now its barely playable. I want to know why this is happening. Can mobile providers throttle tethering? It still works just very badly.
So, you live in the UK. So you think it's a problem with the provider. Wich provider is it?
It's either my mobile provider or the only other thing I can think of is that I dropped my phone a few weeks back.
Could dropping your phone cause the wifihotspot to work incorrectly? Surely if it was broken it would just work or not work.
I get very decent speeds on my phone but when so tether my speeds are awful, which never used to happen.
I am trying to rule out various possiblities and although I am alright at tech, I don't know much about mobiles and though there were a few knowledgeable people on this forum.
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I am going to see a professional. I didn't realise it was all amateurs here, my mistake.
Hi all - I think I've finally watched enough videos and read enough crap over the last couple months to convince myself to pull the trigger on the OP7P. Before I do though, I've got a few questions I'm hoping you guys can put to rest for me.
Deals? Is there anything on the horizon where we anticipate this phone going on sale that I should be aware of? If I can save a hundred bucks or something by waiting a month, that's cool by me.
Should I purchase any of the additional screen protection or extended warranty services offered via OPO's website? I know there have been concerns in the past with OPO's customer service and whatnot. I haven't really come across much regarding consistently faulty hardware, but please let me know otherwise.
WiFi Calling - I'm currently on AT&T, so would like to know if WiFi Calling will work in the immediate... but I also hate AT&T and would like to jump ship soon. Is there a definitive list somewhere regarding what networks allow WiFi calling with this device and which don't?
Anything else you wish you knew before buying your OP7P? I'll likely be going with the 8g/256g black variant.
Thanks for any input in advance. It's greatly appreciated. :good:
1. If they end up releasing another phone this year like they have the past two, then it will probably drop around $50-$100. But to my knowledge there hasn't been any discussion about that happening.
2. I think this depends on your usage. For me, I have only dropped a phone once in the past 7 years and it was because of a headphone wiring getting caught on a chair. So i never go for additional protection. If you are less protective of your device on a regular use basis, then maybe consider it. Phone does come with screen protector installed so simple scratches and not a worry.
3. Not totally sure because i use Mint running off tmobile. I image there is probably another thread with all the info you could need on the subject somewhere on here or maybe someone else will answer below me.
4. Not really an issue, but the device is quite a bit heavier than expected. But like anything else, you get used to it.
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3. Not totally sure because i use Mint running off tmobile. I image there is probably another thread with all the info you could need on the subject somewhere on here or maybe someone else will answer below me.
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How do you like Mint? That's one of the alternatives I'm considering moving over to. Do you get WiFi Calling on that service? I have crap reception at my house and without WiFi Calling phone calls are super hit or miss. Thanks for your input!
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How do you like Mint? That's one of the alternatives I'm considering moving over to. Do you get WiFi Calling on that service? I have crap reception at my house and without WiFi Calling phone calls are super hit or miss. Thanks for your input!
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Mint has been great for me. Speeds are fast enough that i don't care to compare numbers with any other carrier. Wifi calling also works perfectly on OOS and Custom ROMs. If you don't need unlimited data, I always recommend it. Going from a $90 phone bill to $20/$25/$30 per month depending on your pay period is really nice.
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Mint has been great for me. Speeds are fast enough that i don't care to compare numbers with any other carrier. Wifi calling also works perfectly on OOS and Custom ROMs. If you don't need unlimited data, I always recommend it. Going from a $90 phone bill to $20/$25/$30 per month depending on your pay period is really nice.
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Beautiful. Sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for your time.