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Web browsing speed on current WinMo devices

Hi everyone,
I'm getting a bit impatient waiting for the Leo, and I'm thinking about maybe getting a Topaz (Touch Diamond 2) instead - it's a lot cheaper right now than the Leo will be when it comes out (only 15€ a month instead of 20€) and they have the same screen res. However, I'm worried that the CPU in the Topaz might not be fast enough for what I want...
I don't need a lot of processing power (no games or anything like that), but I would like to be able to use it as a laptop-replacement when I'm at uni - so web browsing, ICQ/Skype and so on should work well and without any problems such as pages not loading/rendering properly.
Sadly I haven't been able to get my hands on a Touch Diamond 2 or Touch Pro 2 for testing (only at the store, and you can't really get online with the devices there), so I have to ask: How is the browsing? Do pages like Google Reader/Gmail/Google Calendar, Slashdot and other pages that are heavily scripted and/or AJAX based render quickly and reliably?
Has anyone compared the web browsing experience between a Snapdragon-based device and the other current-gen devices (Touch Diamond 2, Touch Pro 2, Touch HD... they all use the same 528MHz processor, AFAIK)? Is the difference during web browsing really noticable, or is processor power not the bottleneck during rendering web pages?
Thanks in advance!

IMHO browsing on an Android is by far superior to anything else I've tried (iPhone or on the last place WinMob), but even on Android it happens that big pages over load the processor and browsing gets really poor even it the software behind the browsing task is good.
So I'd say you pay some extra attention to CPU as well, even if you're not a gamer, since it will make a difference when loading big pages (with lots of images, scripts, etc).
Just my 2 cents.

I'm using Opera Mobile 9.5 and it takes me 10 seconds to open Engadget. Skype in the background won't hurt at all. Just remember that a better CPU = better/faster overall experience and that includes browsing.
I have TD 2 (from a friend) for a couple of days and the browsing is fine. Some lagg with more tabs open, but not a show stopper.

Hmmm, I'm becoming less and less sure about getting another WM device - the Nokia N900 browser is freakin awesome... full embedded Flash support, insanely fast for a mobile browser, good keyboard. This is getting difficult :'(
I wonder what's faster: the Snapdragon in the Leo or the iPhone/N900 CPU...

Snapdragon. The iPhone 3GS (and N900) uses a Cortex A8 600mhz, whereas the Snapdragon uses an A8-derived core at 1ghz.

[Question] Hardware acceleration...Where is it?

Hi! Reading around the web I've found out that Android still lacks of hardware acceleration in the windows' contents (enabled for compositing) and so does, of course, the browser (in the specific)! This is why we have not an as smooth as iPhone scrolling/zooming! Here an interesting article:
http://connect-utb.com/index.php?op...z-cpu-is-enough&catid=36:technology&Itemid=67
And here is a question made to a developer by an AndroidCommunity user:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/the-hardware-acceleration-question-8963/index2.html
So my question is: Will be possible to have hw acceleration (also on cooked roms, doesn't matter) in the near future? I still can't understand why, for example, my Hero cannot handle games like NOVA altough has a dedicated GPU and its CPU is quite superior to the iPhone 3G's one! While on this one the game runs smoothly! My supposition was that these games are not even developed thinking about Android...They only are miserable portings from iPhone! Please tell me that one day (maybe with 3.0) will be possible to have Flash 10.1, great 3D (or at least comparable to 3G) and COMPLETE acceleration in Android on my Hero and other MSM 7XXX devices (dream, magic ecc.) I'm really thinking of selling my Hero to buy something like a Milestone (Droid in US) or a Liquid (not sure about this one)...Thanks in advance

Surely they did this in an attempt to save battery life?
Maybe that's where OpenCL comes in?

Well I don't know how much hardware acceleration can damage battery life...I'm pretty sure this doesn't happen on other devices with iOS or WinMo where hw acc. is enabled And battery lasts normally!
About OpenCL I'm not sure it has something to do with graphics enhancements! Maybe it's used to accelerate computational stuff like physics...Or, at least, this is what I can read from here (it uses GPU to enhance NON graphical computing):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL
What I'm talking about is to enable acceleration in UI and browser (as well as has been done with 3D graphics and videos with SnapDragon and Cortex A8) like iPhone did! And I think this wouldn't decrease so much battery life! I prefer to have a functional and smooth browser more than save 1-2 hours of battery life! IMHO! Thanks to have answered my question

Just a little up! Thanks!

There is no hope for the msm72xx. Qualcomm or Htc or both of them are complete douches to us power users that want the max out of our devices. They do not provide efficient graphics drivers hence the horrible graphics performance. This is highly unlikely to change in the future and it seems to me that in order to compensate for sluggish graphic performance, they are upping the processor speed as seen by the recent slew of snapdragon 1ghz which also underperforms due to lack of proper drivers.

Gosh... This means that not even Google took care of developing proper drivers fot ITS OWN DEVICE! This is pretty bad...And means that Android could be a "poor" OS because of the laziness of some developer...I'm wondering if is convenient to buy an Acer Liquid (very low price here! And I can't afford a N1 or a Desire) or an iPhone 3G at all! Games like NOVA run GREAT on both of them...And I'd really want a smooth browser...But I'm pretty sure on one thing: My Hero needs to be replaced It made me too much disappointment...
Thanks for your answer

Yes your hero is an outdated mid range device that needs to be replaced...i would suggest a samsung galaxy S or any of its variants.

Thanks but...Who's going to give me the money to do that? XD I can't afford a Galaxy S (549€ here!) while an Acer Liquid (with the same performance of a N1 and I know what I'm saying ) is WAY more affordable (299€! Almost half of the Galaxy S price!).

any suggestion for buying android 2.3 tablet?

Hello everyone, Now, I've just gotten into the Android game. I have a HTC Desire, but I want more (no surprise, )
Normally, I'd post such a question at my favorite forum, but unfortunately, it is down, and I was hoping you guys here could help out.
It's a 7" android 2.3 tablet from a China site: SpeMall.com.
1) It's cheap. Half the price of branded tablets
2) People say that it can out-perform the iPad in certain areas.
3) The size seems to be just about right, a good compromise between portability and legibility
Now, I don't really need all the features that other tablets have, namely the 3g/4g wireless connectivity. I was just looking to use this at home, or at my grandparent's place (Where the computers there are absolutely ancient!) just for web browsing, facebooking, and the occasional game of Angry Birds.
Now, to the question. How does this stand up to other tablets of today? (Examples would be iPad, maybe iPad 2, XOOM, Galaxy Tab (7 inch and 10 inch)
I know that this tablet can be overclocked to 1.3 ghz and more which puts it to the same clock speed as most of today's tablets, except for they have dual core processors. How much of a difference would it make? Also, It can play a lot of high end android games when overclocked (Tegra 2 games?). However, I'm sure all the rooting and overclocking is bound to kill the battery. The original battery is said to last 8 hours with WiFi off. If Overclocked, and with WiFi, can I expect to have 5-6 hours of constant usage? Also, assuming it does last about 5 hours overclocked, I know that there are some kernels that allow for the tablet to be a USB Host, meaning keyboard, camera, and (maybe) mouse support. But such devices require power to be used, so can I expect 3-4 hours?
Thanks for your time to read this long writing, If anybody with a mid-high end android tablet can give some suggestions would be great, tanks a lot!

i wouldn't buy anything off a chinese site TBH, bad experiences in the past.
2.3 tablets? hmm, most on the market are running 3.1 and higher (honeycomb)
so, i can't REALLY say much. bigger question, why would you want a Gingerbread tablet? when honeycomb has been out for almost a year now.

[Q] Need help regarding mi3

Hi guys,
My dad bought two Mi3 from China. One has snapdragon and the other one tegra.I can keep one. Which one do you think is better. I know 3G won't work on tegra version but I don't use 3G anyway. All I need to know is which one is better in performance and for gaming.
Thanks a ton.

I believe the processor options in the Mi3 are the Tegra 4 or the Snapdragon 800. Since network compatibility is not your concern, here is a performance benchmark YouTube video that will help you make your decision - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKT6jQzJTU.
I think I would go for the Tegra...

I thought tegra 4 GPU would be faster. Even after having seen the benchmark I am still confused. Which one would be the overall winner?

I didn't want to double post but I don't have much time. I have to choose soon so please reply. I will be really thankful.

Hmm, if you have both phones with you right now, why don't you install a couple of high end games that you will play and see which one works better for you? If there is no noticeable difference and you have run benchmark tests on both and find the results almost similar, then I would pick the one which has better battery life and is compatible with my network.
I believe the 5th core in the Tegra 4 is useful for taking the load of the other cores and in turn results in battery savings though I do not really know how much this actually affects battery...

Thanks for helping me. I ran antutu on them both. Snapdragon got 41000 and tegra got 36000.I am keeping the snapdragon version.

Great, enjoy the phone!

Question Does this phone lag even after the latest updates?

I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)

As a mid range device with a fairly low end Exynos SoC, performance isn't going to be the best. It should be sufficient for web browsing or streaming media, but keep in mind that the more concurrent processes you have running (like always running apps) the less available processor bandwidth you're going to have. Plus, a lot of the A53s come with only 4GB of RAM, which is pretty much the bare minimum by today's standards.

AgENtSaRcAs said:
I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)
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I thought it was a bit laggy at first but not so much anymore. The screen in my opinion is better than the iPhone and the speakers are almost as good too - good bass, that really impressed me. It's a great device for everything except hardcore gaming and stressful workloads. Regular media content and browsing and medium gaming is really good. Most people do casual things on their phone and the A53 nails that. As an added bonus, battery life is incredible. The 5nm Exynos 1280 chipset just needs to be optimized by developers a bit more.

AgENtSaRcAs said:
I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)
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It is what it is for the processor, I think the slow storage speed is also hindering the performance too. I bought the usa unlocked version for $300 so I can't complain for the overall value. turning off ram plus gave mine a speed boost so I strongly suggest doing that.