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Stock or custom ROM for my kid?

My daughters birthday is coming up in a few days (14 yrs old) and she wants a new phone as a gift. She lives with her mom 600 miles away and I don't get to see her or my youngest daughter as often as I like.
She has been bugging me about getting her an Iphone 4 as her mom has one and even though I have been telling her about my Cappy she has (as most preteen girls do) only hears what she wants. Iphone, Iphone, Iphone dad!!!!
Well, they have arrived for thier holiday visit with me and it only took about 5 minutes of tinkering with my Captivate and she is hooked. (She's a smart kid. )
So since she has an upgrade available (on my plan) a Captivate it will be.
I have been pondering whether to leave it stock or installing a custom ROM on it for her. But I want it and need it to be bullet proof since, as I mentioned, she is 3 states away and if the phone fails with a custom ROM I will not be there to fix it. If I leave it stock, I know it will be more reliable, and if it is not, a visit to her local ATT service center will get her back in business.
I have not had 2.1 on my phone for months and I have forgotten the big differences between it and Froyo. The differences I do remember are less lag, and more features like MobileAP and HSUPA. HSUPA and lag fix being the only things she will notice. I am sure the only uses the phone will provide for her will be texting and internet.
I am currently running Axura 2.5 and have had it running longer than any ROM I have used in the past couple of months. I feel like that if I put this on her phone it will give her reliable service and no need for any attention until her next visit (Spring Break) and by then 2.3 will, I am sure be in full swing and I can find a stable version of that to upgrade her phone to.
I am battling with myself on what to do. I want her to be happy with the phone and not wish she had chosen the Iphone a week after having the cappy and I believe putting something better than eclair on it will keep her happy. But at the same time I don't want it to be buggy and aggrivating for her, and again wishing she had gotten the Iphone.
What should I do? What am I not thinking of that would sway my decision one way or the other?
Thanks in advance. Happy New Year.

If it aint broke.............
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If she played around with your custom ROM Captivate, and you give her one with a stock ROM, she's gonna hate you.

Keep it stock.. maybe do a theme or something small to change the appearance, but overall when update are available, I'm sure she just wants to download the update..not run odin and flash roms - she's a kid
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born_fisherman said:
Keep it stock.. maybe do a theme or something small to change the appearance, but overall when update are available, I'm sure she just wants to download the update..not run odin and flash roms - she's a kid
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Agreed... I use Launcher Pro, but maybe give her a theme-able launcher so that she can freshen up her interface once in a while. Hell... she may even like the iPhone-ish Touch-Wiz, but... blah... I hope not.
Happy New Year to you as well.

maybe its time to introduce her to XDA and the joys of rooting/flashing/custom roms. A kid that age will pick it up very quick if they have the slightest bit interest.

custom ROM.. she'll know if its stock.

why don't you give her your phone and geta new one yourself
just saying ......happy new year to you as well!
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You can't go wrong with Assonance. From my experience its just as stable as stock. I'd probably keep her clocked at 1000ghz w/ no under voltage though.
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keep it stock. If she shows any interest at all in custom roms, direct her here.
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Update to a 2.2.1 rom.

i would get her the iphone. honestly.

a.vandelay said:
i would get her the iphone. honestly.
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If your serious, why are you on here?
Thanks for all of the replies guys. She was dead set on the Cappy so that is what she got. I made her play around with stock for almost a day. And believe me, she wore it out. She tested everything and had the phone figured out pretty quick. I then let her mess around with mine again and it was just a few minutes she felt the difference between the ROM's. Mainly the lag and speed of the modem like I knew she would. So I put Axura on it and she is over the moon.
I would love for her to get into the technical side of it but even though she likes techy stuff like her dad, she doesn't want to fix it, she just wants to drive it.
I plan to keep an update.zip (not needed I know with the built in CWM but just in case), and the Axura ROM zip, renamed "ROM_Recovery.zip" on the internal SD and show her how to reflash if something goes wrong.
To be honest I was really surprised that she chose Android over the Iphone as, like her mother, she is all about the status of something versus quality. All of her friends including her mom has an Iphone 4 and I knew that the video chat would be the deal breaker. She has put more mileage on her mom's phone than her mom has so there is a statement of how much better Android really is when a 14 year old drama queen see's the difference
Of course, my daughter has always had a type-A personality and never really been a follower. She might be trying to set a trend. If sales of the Captivate rise suddenly in her area then I would bet I know why.
Thanks again guys. HNY

Scottbg1 said:
If your serious, why are you on here?
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because i'm not a 14 year old girl who wants an iphone who lives far away from her dad when her phone breaks. the same reason i install windows vista on my friends computers when they ask me to instead of convincing them they need linux because i have some tricked out configuration. i have a friend who just got an android phone for a college graduation gift and didn't know how to set the wallpaper (using the orange resize box), delete old sms messages, and other common stuff. why? because no one reads manuals and there's no commercial that shows me how to use my android phone. people who never owned an iphone know more about it from watching a hand on tv than she does owning an android phone.
what if something goes wrong (defective phone) and she needs to take it back to at&t and she can't flash it back to stock? i can't imagine a 14 year old girl being happy about not having a phone for a few days, a week, or longer. and a captivate no less? it gives us fits, and we're supposed to be good at this stuff.
sure the iphone is crippled in comparison, but 1) it's an iphone, that's all kids care about, 2) the apple store will take care of her, 3) it's an iphone.
i mean no disrespect, that's just my opinion. i hope it works out for her, because if she does take the time it will benefit her .

You install vista on friends computers? Ouch. You must not like your friends too much.
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It's Been Fun, Getting a SGS2

Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box. It's also been pretty sad watching everyone's desperation in either getting a stable CM7 build or a kluge of the Gingerbread pre-release to try and make all the phone's functions work properly. I've been pretty vocal about my dissatisfaction which I know has irked some of you. There were others, but they already bailed when their remorse periods ended so as we all jump ship there should be fewer "haters" and nothing but the positivity you seek here in G2X-land.
I was going to wait until 6/8 and get a Sensation but the phone re-booted in the middle of conference call to Asia and that shall we say was the end of that. I'm getting an international SGS2 instead. It'll arrive next week. It's an HSPA+ phone so it can do 21MB down on AT&T. To get on to AT&T's network I'm getting an Infuse 4G for $99 on 5/15 which I'll eBay for $400 easily. I'd be lucky to get $300 for the G2X once the Sensation's out and the comments on this forum certainly don't help the resale value. The SGS2 is $725 so the net after selling the Infuse will be $425 - $75 less than the G2X. I also won't have to be dependent on any carrier any longer and will get updates directly from Samsung.
Unlimited voice, unlimited messaging, 4GB of data, and tethering is $99 a month and AT&T has terrific international data plans when you're roaming where T-Mobile has none. Also, I'd rather pay $8 a GB if I go over my limit than be throttled to dial-up speeds by T-Mobile. My relationship with T-Mobile's always been love/hate but the G2X did me in. I'll still lurk and comment on this thread and if you have any SGS2 questions just ask. Also, modding may not be a dead horse. Paul posted the SGS2 firmware this morning.
See you guys in a year on AT&T-Mobile
P.S. - Gamers beware of the SGS2, it's been determined the Mali GPU doesn't support x-frame

X frame????

smashpunks said:
X frame????
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Oops. I was doing two things at once. X-Plane. It has a bigger impact than just one game, I was just too lazy to elaborate.
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068567

Thanks for posting your life story. Did you really need to type all that just to say you were buying the GSII? Nobody cares how you are going to acquired it. I am getting the GSII aswell but you don't see me making posts about it. I'm thankful that I got a working G2x from day one because I can tell you right now. Its the best Android device I've ever used. I haven't had a single problem with it. Lastly, every phone has problems when its released. If you don't think so then u haven't been in this game long enough. The G2x wont sell for anything less due to these forums. I think your giving these forums a little to much credit if you think they a driving phone sales on eBay down. LOL...where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Yea that gpu is going to bite a lot of gamers in the ass. This is why the SGS2 was never an option for me. I'd love that screen paired with a tegra but I don't see it happening soon.
Tegra looks like the most future welcoming chipset IMO which also deters me from the Sensation.
Sorry to see you have so many problems but you do what you have to do. I always have low expectations of stock rooms although the 2.2 stock did run great for me. I flash not to fix issues but to flash. I actually have more problems running custom then stock but that's half the fun because I know that it helps to get to that point we all would like.
So while a slight backlight bleed isn't viable for some, a gimped GPU for locked boot loader isn't for me. Aside that, the rest can be fixed and patched. That I can handle.
Also, good luck getting anything out of Samaung. Those guys never update their phones. Gingerbread was promised last august and they still don't have it.

jrwingate6 said:
Thanks for posting your life story...
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And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.

BarryH_GEG said:
And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.
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I never said u weren't experienced in the phone world but if you are then you should understand no device is perfect within the first month of being released. Christ, my Vibrants GPS was never perfect and I used it for 8 months. I just don't understand why people are expected to get a perfect device when they buy them as soon as they become available. Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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Bye...bye...

The post would have held more water...if more of your points were valid that is..
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Hope you enjoy your new toy.
Pretty good phone but G2x is better

Don't let the door hit ya....
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.

jrwingate6 said:
Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want a phone that isn't meant to be tweaked then you are better off with an iPhone. You will never be happy with any android phone because android is meant for people who want to personalize and make their device theirs.
The g2x is a guiness world record holding powerhouse. It doesnt help your case to write a pompous and useless post.
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jsapp said:
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.
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Really, where did you get a Galaxy S II? I'd be interested in your experiences. Since it doesn't work on T-Mobile, I assumed you used it on AT&T. Where did you use it and what were your data speeds?

BarryH_GEG said:
I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.
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Why do you need to wait weeks? Just keep exchanging it until u get a working phone. It really is easy. I promise. I also get new phone ever couple of months and I've had to exchange everyone I got. That's exactly why I always purchase at a brick and mortar rather than online. I don't know why your living with a phone that doesn't work but I wouldn't stand for it. Go exchange it and hopefully you get a perfect one like me. Only took me 4 exchanges to find a perfect one. Lol
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Great....thanks for keeping us up to date.
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One thing is forsure, there will always be those that have a bad experience with a device no matter how super, duper, incredibly awesome it may be. Looks like you're one of those who will go down as having a bad experience with the G2x. You aren't the first, you won't be the last. And you can bet your ass there will be plenty of users over in the Samsung forum having the same frustrations with their SGS2's that you had with your G2x. That's just the way it goes with these things.
When I first got my Droid X I had a lot of problems with it. It took me a while to figure it out... it was my first Android device so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I finally got it to the point where it was a flawless device (all it was missing was an unlocked bootloader) for me. But that wasn't the case for every DX owner... plenty of the members of the Droid X forum took their device out of the box and the damn thing worked flawlessly without them having to tinker with it or do anything at all in order to 'fix' it. It might have been a little hard for me to swallow since I was experiencing so many random reboots, terrible lag, and constant freeze-ups... but it was true all the same. My poor performing DX was the exception, not the rule.
Same thing goes for the G2x. This time I'm on the other side of the fence (thank God). My G2x doesn't have the LED bleed issue, or the rebooting issue, or ANY issue for that matter. It has worked flawlessly right out of the box for me. And it's only been available here in the states for 3 weeks, so if there are still a few bugs to work out of CyanogenMod7 for it, that certainly isn't the end of the world. Nine months after getting my Droid X (at launch) and CM is nowhere on the DX's radar, and likely never will be. So just the fact that CM7 is working at all on this device is more progress than I was able to get out of my Motorola the whole time I used it (I still have it, just in case someone sneaks the bootloader keys out of Motorola HQ's I'll be first in line to beta test CM on it!).
Anyway my point is, if you like a device enough you'll stick it through the rough spots and see if you can't get it to work well enough for you to enjoy it. If you don't like a device enough to do that, then get another device, period. No need to explain yourself, you're a grown ass man. You can buy an iPhone, Win7, Blackberry, Palm... hell even a dumbphone if that's what you want. If it's a SGS2 that you want, go for it. I hope it makes you happier than this device obviously did not do.
But going out like you chose to do isn't going to go over well, I'm sure you understood that when you were typing that post out. What are you hoping to accomplish here, do you think you're going to convice those of us who are having a great experience with our G2x's to suddenly realize we got it all wrong? Should we all pack our LG's up and throw em on ebay pronto now too just because you didn't get along with yours?
No OEM is perfect, but for what it's worth I respect LG and Samsung the most out of all the manufacturers because they both refuse to give into the pressure the carriers have been putting on them to lock down their bootloaders. HTC comes in third in my book because while they do lock their bootloaders, at least they don't encrypt them. Basically they play both sides of the fence. They lock the bootloader to make it look like they're on the carriers side. But they don't encrypt them because they know that hackers will easily unlock them and still be able to develop on them at will.
What I don't get is your statement that you'll get your updates from Samsung... since when has Samsung rolled out updates in a timely fashion? For me LG is my top choice because they left the bootloader completely unlocked, and they left it vanilla Android. It's basically a Nexus device. Samsung would be my second choice since they don't lock their bootloaders either, but I'd have to get rid of touchwiz the second I got it.
All in all, I hope you have a good experience with your SGS2. No need to attempt to make us feel stupid for keeping our G2x's though. If we like our devices, why can't you just leave this community and wish us the best so that we can do the same to you?

Its safe to say Barry that no one cares. See ya
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BarryH_GEG said:
Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box.
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Really? Um...good luck with the SGS2.

Wow. This forum has become the dear diary of threads. I guess since the galaxy is almost a $1000 it won't have issues. You said you doubt the g2x will be worth $300 when the sensation comes out. Lol that was a insult. I guarantee the g2x will have more support and roms than the sensation. How can Cyan develop a rom, when he said himself he won't if it has a locked bootloader. I like what the galaxy can do but once it launches in the US and carriers strip it down like the original it wont hold its international value. Ill ride it out with the g2x. I'd rather return until I get a close to perfect instead of paying mortgage prices on a phone.
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I almost forgot how great custom roms were until I got stuck with stock.

Long story short, I had to call att warranty department to get my phone replaced due to my speaker starting to go out. So when I called it in on the 8th (September), which was the last day for my warranty, I flashed back to stock, restored product code, backed up entire sd, and upgraded to official froyo. So since that time I have been on stock patiently waiting my new phone to come in. I've been on customs so long that I forgot how slow and unresponsive stock is. I remember that as I got spoiled with customs that I felt that those roms were starting to feel slow themselves and that although they're faster then stock, maybe it's more of a placebo that I really think it's that much faster then stock. Alas, I was mistaken. All in all I just want to say thank you to the devs of this great community. Being on these custom roms we sometime take for granted that your work, and although not always perfect, it is still far more superior then anything the stock experience can offer. If you don't feel this way right now, just go stock for almost a week and you'll feel my pain. :¬[
Thanks again xda devs.
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I'm in the exact same boat; broke my captivate I got last year, almost bought an iphone (wtf was I thinking), but instead decided to call insurance and get a new captivate; amazing how big a difference the ROMs make, the stock is such sh*t (not to mention how far behind the captivate was on updates ;[ )

Finally got my replacement in. It's a 1010 so ill miss my 1007. Oh well. Time to get rid of this 3e recovery and flash.
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kisnerct said:
...almost bought an iphone (wtf was I thinking)...
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God! Don't even MENTION iPhones in this company! I've spent the last several DAYS trying to get sh*t off my dad's iphone (songs and the like) so he can put them on his new Captivate.
The changes you have to go through--and programs you have to download--to be able to do what you can do with an Android just by rooting it and getting a decent file manager leaves me speechless... or at least the many words I've used would be incredibly inappropriate on a site that doesn't specialize in murder and mayhem. I've used curse words over the last three days that I didn't even know I knew.
I'm not close to be anything like a real geek, but I swear, I can't imagine why anyone would want a phone from a company that makes it so hard to adjust and take items you actually purchased off of (can you say "DRM"?). The only good news is, my Dad likes the Cappy enough that we will likely never see an iPhone in this house again.
Thank Heavens.

I completely agree with you, I try my best to remember on a daily basis how great-full I am for the Dev's and XDA.

After making sure I have a way to get back to kb2 and backing up my old phone I just half an hour ago flashed miui. Good bye slow stock . I used to stay away from this rim because I heard of bad battery. But with a galaxy s 4g 1650 mah battery I bought from a friend for 7 dollars, it's not so bad
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kevalin said:
I've used curse words over the last three days that I didn't even know I knew.
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It is not that you didn't know that you knew them so much as you did what I do somedays. You went thru everyone that you knew and then started to join them together in new combos and when you had done every combo you could think of you started inventing new ones. Most people do that instead of running head first into a wall repeatedly or jumping into traffic. I must say both of those would be better than an iphone
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My husband rooted his phone, but otherwise had stock Froyo ever since he got his phone. He used to make fun of me for constantly trying new roms out. But he started getting more and more pissed off with his phone and how laggy and unstable it was, and a few weeks ago I offered to flash him a custom rom.
He uses his phone much much more, and I hear a lot fewer curse words out of his mouth now that he isn't cussing at his phone anymore.

Word that homie. I would die without my roms. To me Roms are the number one biggest reason why i like android over iPhone.
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I agree with that, after I flashed cm7 and was on that for a few days. I deleted my froyo backups. No point in going back, been flashing nightlys now. Can't do that on a non-android phone

I will always keep my stock nandroid just incase I have to warranty
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An official ICS release. \\This is not news, tips or how-to's.\\

I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota

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I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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I would have deleted this if the option were available.
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Easy killer. My phone has worked mostly fine since day one. Sure there were some software issues (random reboots due to the LTE radio, GPS, the most annoying), but that is to be expected when you buy bleeding edge technology. This was the first Verizon LTE smartphone, EVER.
That being said, the device is still on par with other top devices today. I haven't upgraded, because I haven't found another device I like that much better than this. The Nexus is nice, but I'm not big on the light flimsy build of those phones, plus samsung is notorious for poor reliability. Motorola screen's have been awful so far, or I would have considered the Razr Maxx.
Bottom line...why don't you cry about it...
BTW, there is nothing special about ICS. Sure it's nice to have the newest thing, but there really isn't that much to get excited about. I still don't understand why honey comb and ICS got rid of the search button. I use that thing constantly.

I have to say I've been 99% happy with this phone since release.
The 1% was the odd rebooting issue I had for 4 weeks in aprilish.
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Honestly I've liked this phone since I first got it, battery life sucked but that was nothing rooting and loading a rom couldn't fix. Other than that I'm still happy with my purchase.
I especially like it cause me and my girlfriend got phones from a good batch, handles low voltages and overclocking even up to 1.8 (not needed though) perfectly.
Thanks to all the developers who have been developing for the thunderbolt since day one, and all that are continuing to do so!
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Bigandrewgold said:
why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota
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Let's see.
1. The phone was the Flagship phone for LTE and was released with Froyo.
2. The phone was buggy at release and still shows some issues.
3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
4. ICS does have improvements over Froyo and GB.
5. Official OTA release of ICS will allow devs to create much better ROMs for this phone, rather approaching it by piecemealing parts from other Official ROMs.
6. Lastly, this phone was sold at a premium price and VZW's/HTC's support has been lackluster to be kind about it.
Note: I don't know the OP from Adam, but your experience, like mine, is anecdotal and not indicative of all others. VZW screwed the pooch on the roll-out and
HTC screwed the pooch on the releases of updates, support and finally, by rushing the damn thing out the door before it was ready.

sonicanatidae said:
3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
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That's with any phone these days. I haven't had a single smartphone I haven't had to replace for one reason or another.
On a side note, the Tbolt isn't the only flagship phone with problems. The Galaxy Nexus has really bad call connectivity problems from what I hear, and that's supposed to be the MAIN function of a PHONE. lolz

All i will buy is htc. I know updates are slow to come. I also dont care. The newest isnt always the best, there are usually a fresh set of bugs to work out. That being said, the devs here and other sites give me enough variety to satisfy me. If you dont like the process, learn to code.
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Mr._Takahashi said:
I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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I'm sure HTC is reading your post right now
If you care, go call them and say what you said directly as it will do far more good for you and for the community.
I moved onto a Nexus, but I still use my Thunderbolt for development testing apps I make. Not even the Nexus is perfect though as the internal antennas are not as powerful at picking up data. My db is usually 10-15db worse than the thunderbolt. However, I would not trade my Nexus for any other phone as I got tired of having to wait on HTC and Verizon for updates on the Thunderbolt.

i just lol at this thread.

Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..

Jrocker23 said:
Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..
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Well said. People are never satisfied. I guess they think HTC should put out updates as often as some ROMs get updated...
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I got the TB for $49 bucks new when I dropped T-Mobile. Rooted it the day I got it home and have never had a single problem with it that I cannot blame on bugs in the ROM or me OCing the crap out of it.
Everyones phone is gonna be better or worse than the next guy. Did we get screwed by Verizon??? Show me where in writing the promise a full ICS upgrade and you will see thousands of TB owners lining up to sue the piss off Verizon and HTC.
If you are gonna stay up on the newest devices, Hopefully you are not paying retail for the devices, Shop around and you will be amazed at what you can find.

I have a galaxy nexus just sitting on stand-by cause i've had no problems with my tbolt, besides the dev slowing down i really have no problems with my tbolt and has been my favorite phone. while it would be nice to get ICS soon im not tripping about it, my contract for the thunderbolt ends in december much wait and see what comes out by then.

why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.

l7777 said:
why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.
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Lol, you did.
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The two people I know with a nexus have had quite a few issues with their phones.. biggest problems being being signal and when leaving WiFi they don't get data until turning their data off and back on... Point is what ever phone you go to there will be something that bugs you about it and the update that fixes your problem will never come out fast enough.. be happy for what you have..
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i never get tired of forum drama, except that it makes me crave ham.

I haven't had a problem since day 1. I got home, rooted it and put liquid smooth on. I've always been one to have a new rom every week but this one's been so good with battery life and everything that I haven't even tried another one. I love this phone. On another note, my brother got the same phone and has had problems. Just like any other electronic item, you might get a dud.

Aw man... I'm excited about this phone all over again.

I bought this phone maybe two months or a month and a half ago. At the time, I had no idea that root was impossible. I also own a Play Store Galaxy Nexus, so after being so free to do what I wanted with it for so long, the One X was giving me anxiety fits (anxiety over a cell phone, yes I know).
I don't really need two phones, so I should sell one. Which one though? The HOX is a monster in every aspect, but I can't fiddle with it. The Nexus is so nice in that arena, but the camera is borderline putrid and the screen is sort of dark. Plus I have good eyesight, so the Pentile nature of the screen boasts its presence at every turn. It runs everything pretty well and gets updates very quickly. The development is second to none. But the HOX. That screen. That camera. It has LTE. That snapdragon. I'm going to have less "spending money" available to me soon, so I want the phone that's most futureproof. That's obviously the HOX. Software is important. So what do I do? Hold out for the next Nexus? Sell both and get a Galaxy S3? I really prefer the HOX over the S3, so I don't want to do that. If only I could root the damn thing and put CM10 on it like I have on my GNex. Damn damn damn. I guess I'll be patient and see if the heroes of legend at XDA can work their magic.
I sift through the forums reading about this and that. CM10 on the HOX has a bunch of wakelocks? Wifi problems? Man, is it worth it to wait or should I just sell this thing while the prices are good? AT&T is purposefully crippling my baby. The one phone I want and I'm at the mercy of damn AT&T. Why can't HTC have the sort of power necessary to stand up to carriers like that fruit company from California? If only.
And just two nights ago, BAM. I worked until 12:30AM and have to return to work the next day at ~4:30AM, not to mention wake up at 3:30 so I can shower and shave with time to pick up a coworker at her place. It's 1:30 and I really ought to get some sleep. But I'm not finished with this delicious beer yet. Guess I'll check XDA in the meantime. Oh god... "Exploit found" says the bounty thread. Welp, so much for going to sleep now. So after fighting with both my computer and my phone for a while, my bootloader is unlocked. I don't know how to root yet because this is my first HTC phone. But we're off to a good start. I get an hour and a half of sleep and come home from work, tired and miserable. Should I nap? Hell no, I need TWRP. To XDA! Hello, custom recovery. Now I need root. What's this? A flashable SuperSU .zip? Hmm... let's try it. Better install a root check app since I don't know how to tell if I have root otherwise. Success! Well damn it, now I'm ready to flash the CM10 zip from Goo manager. Oh, no I'm not. I have to flash the boot.img with fastboot first. I've never done this before (GS2 and Gnex were my previous phones) and I don't know what the hell S-On is, but whatever. Let's do it. Good Lord, it worked. I'm one step closer to the love child of the Gnex and HOX that I've been so long waiting to adopt. Now I can flash the CM10 zip? Alright, let's do it.
And here I am. This is what I've been waiting for. After switching my sim card between my HOX and GNex almost every other day, I can finally leave it in one phone for a while. The ROM I'm running is labeled "experimental," but it really seems to be anything but. Aside from some visual quirks and some in-call echo, I've had practically zero issues using this phone. The battery life is comparable to stock, and while it seems to be lacking some of the butter of the CM10 Gnex nightlies, it's just fine for me. Fast. Stable. Powerful.
So this is me gushing over the devs here at XDA. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to righting what is repeatedly wronged by the juggernaut telecoms here in the US.

While most people hate AT&T for locking the bootloader, you can understand why they did it if you read the threads here about people flashing incompatible roms and hard bricking their phones. Especially this guy:
Originally Posted by timthatank05:
no... after trying to get it to work all day yesterday, i finally gave up and drove the car over it and then called the insurance on it... no phone for a few days at least...

cool man , dont forget to try other roms! many of them are cm10 based, you should try paranoid android :good:

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While most people hate AT&T for locking the bootloader, you can understand why they did it if you read the threads here about people flashing incompatible roms and hard bricking their phones. Especially this guy:
Originally Posted by timthatank05:
no... after trying to get it to work all day yesterday, i finally gave up and drove the car over it and then called the insurance on it... no phone for a few days at least...
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Lmao
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What can I say. The OP is a showman haha.. awesome OP, glad to have you here in this awesome community
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area51avenger said:
While most people hate AT&T for locking the bootloader, you can understand why they did it if you read the threads here about people flashing incompatible roms and hard bricking their phones. Especially this guy:
Originally Posted by timthatank05:
no... after trying to get it to work all day yesterday, i finally gave up and drove the car over it and then called the insurance on it... no phone for a few days at least...
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Lol that's just plain funny

area51avenger said:
While most people hate AT&T for locking the bootloader, you can understand why they did it if you read the threads here about people flashing incompatible roms and hard bricking their phones. Especially this guy:
Originally Posted by timthatank05:
no... after trying to get it to work all day yesterday, i finally gave up and drove the car over it and then called the insurance on it... no phone for a few days at least...
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still fraud. :'(
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To the OP, I felt the same type of excitement when I saw it. I appreciate the time and effort put into this exploit and anyone who may have helped. It's even more exciting that theres awesome people who freely release these to the public so that awesome ROMS can be put on. I was so ticked off with my locked bootloader I almost switched it out for a motorola atrix HD. The first time I took it back was legit though, it had the muffled voice syndrome, and the phone was only 6 days old, the corp store tried to give me a refurbished phone! ... I refused it and got a new one, and that one had battery issues, had to take it back a second time but finally got it straight right on the day of the root exploit. At the end of the week if I got any spare change I am definitely going to donate for the hard work it took and the time and patience.
area51avenger said:
While most people hate AT&T for locking the bootloader, you can understand why they did it if you read the threads here about people flashing incompatible roms and hard bricking their phones. Especially this guy:
Originally Posted by timthatank05:
no... after trying to get it to work all day yesterday, i finally gave up and drove the car over it and then called the insurance on it... no phone for a few days at least...
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LOL, good quote find.
On one hand yes, I can understand why a company may lock down a bootloader and I am sure many companies going forward may get the same dangerous idea. Maybe its true intentions is to protect people from bricking the phone or wasting their time with claims etc .. but on the other hand imagine if you bought a computer and Dell or HP comes in and says, well we locked down the firmware we dont want you putting any other OS in there but microsoft. Also, on top of that we dont want you using any other video cards besides an ATI card .. to prevent you from this we locked down the firmware. It's poisonous to creativity.
I believe in open source and feel saddened when we get locked bootloaders. I love the Android OS, I feel it should be completely open without any company interferences so that many great devs can continue to create and modify the existing OS/ROMs. Its a two sided coin.
I really am loving XDA, so much useful info, so many things to learn.

Lmao I nearly messed myself when I first saw that thread. That douche is never gonna live it down.
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Stories like that kind of worry me, I just got the phone and love playing with Nova Prime but have dug into rooting it yet until I read more about it.
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Everyone is guilty of the childlike excitement you get when you successfully root a new phone and see that first Rom you want to try
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