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Dear friends,
as i have been hanging out in this forum, i have learnt a lot. But still, i cannot understand the attitude why people treat, reply or explain everything in a way that assumes all of us are android experts.
TF700 is my first android device(have been using Apple before) so I really need to improve-or create- fundamental knowledge. Just for your information, replying messages like; "ok now Unlock the Root system instead OTA .21 and blablablabla?" (btw. i am well aware of the fact that this sentence is totally meaningless)
Whatever, my point is it would be wonderful to have a fundamental knowledge thread, also keeping your great posts too at the same time.
Cheers!!
archonur said:
Dear friends,
as i have been hanging out in this forum, i have learnt a lot. But still, i cannot understand the attitude why people treat, reply or explain everything in a way that assumes all of us are android experts.
TF700 is my first android device(have been using Apple before) so I really need to improve-or create- fundamental knowledge. Just for your information, replying messages like; "ok now Unlock the Root system instead OTA .21 and blablablabla?" (btw. i am well aware of the fact that this sentence is totally meaningless)
Whatever, my point is it would be wonderful to have a fundamental knowledge thread, also keeping your great posts too at the same time.
Cheers!!
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I am a newbie too -- bought the tf101 a couple of months ago - loved it -- told my husband he could have it - I was buying the 700 ! and was lucky enough to be able to order one (we live in Canada..... Tiger Direct.ca had them)
I have learned a lot from this forum -- glad I found it --- but I won't be "unlocking" anything ! the only thing I know how to "root" are my house plants !!! lol !! we don't even own smart phones yet -- we still have dumb phones !!! but I have my TF700 !!!
You mean sth like this?
seems hard, but it's not.
It seems tough in the beginning for noob, but actually you're going to get it. You should read the "Index" pointing out by d14b0ll0s to gain some basic knowledge and familiar with the terminology then you should be fine. Couple key words I want to point out that you should know. Currently TF700 came with a locked boot loader, meaning you not able to flash (install) custom firmware from our developers. This is a biggest issue at the moment. Sure there're workaround but it's a pain in the as...and unstable(could brick your pad if you not doing it right). When you see numbers like 21,22,26, they are firmware version number. The latest should be 26. OTA stands for "over the air" and we referred to firmware push to our pad by Asus, not manually download and install ourselves. Rooted is a process that you gain access as a administrator on your pad (you have full access to your phone), with rooted privilege you can almost do anything with your pad, like uninstall Asus embed software, do a full backup of your entire OS (operating system), modified system files etc... CWM is a tool you installed on your pad in order to flash (install) custom firmware. So at the minimum you should have root, and in the future when new custom firmware arrived, you can install cwm and used this tool to flash them. Keep in mind that with locked boot loader, you can't flash custom firmware. Finally, once you're rooted or have custom firmware installed, your pad will no longer can accepted OTA firmware (firmware push to your pad by Asus). In this case you need to roll back to stock (re installed factory firmware and no root), before you can do OTA update. Currently, I suggest you should stay on the side line and waiting for the OTA 4.1.1 JB (new Operating System called Jelly Bean, version 4.1.1 will be push to your pad by Asus). After reading this post you should be ready to play... good luck!
Sorry, but I don't get it, what is it about Verizon? Is it because you bought yours from Verizon? Mine comes from ASUS and I believe the OTA updates are from ASUS servers. Is it the US-specific thing that you mentioned?
Yeah... Everything is pretty easy even for people that have no clue what they are doing. My suggestion right now is to root but not unlock. Rooting is as simple as running the .bat file and following on screen directions (assuming you are using Windows). The only thing you need to do after the program is finished is to open up the Superuser app (might be SuperSU) and restart after that for safe measure.
Unlocking does VOID YOUR MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY (and possibly all others you may have purchased). Make sure you know what you want to do with an unlocked device before you do it. Personally, I am waiting for a stable JB build before I unlock. But the choice is ultimately up to you.
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Sorry, but I don't get it, what is it about Verizon? Is it because you bought yours from Verizon? Mine comes from ASUS and I believe the OTA updates are from ASUS servers. Is it the US-specific thing that you mentioned?
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Sorry you're right, must not awake yet. ASUS that is. Thanks bro.
Your going to be fine try learning how to build aosp from source in a time limit
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Yeah... Everything is pretty easy even for people that have no clue what they are doing. My suggestion right now is to root but not unlock. Rooting is as simple as running the .bat file and following on screen directions (assuming you are using Windows). The only thing you need to do after the program is finished is to open up the Superuser app (might be SuperSU) and restart after that for safe measure.
Unlocking does VOID YOUR MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY (and possibly all others you may have purchased). Make sure you know what you want to do with an unlocked device before you do it. Personally, I am waiting for a stable JB build before I unlock. But the choice is ultimately up to you.
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I agree with Skullmonkey on this. Until you are ready for really hacking the system, all you really need is to root the system (run the DebugFS) to get "administrator access to your device".
You might want to read what buhohitr wrote several times as there is much to be gleaned from it. If it helps, copy/paste the contents of buhohitr's repsonse to a notepad text document and go through it word-for-word, isolate those that you find questionable or troublesome, then research what those words are. Anything that is "super difficult" you can just post back here in the Q&A section and I'm sure someone will help you in no time.
another noob question: does rooting the device void manufacturing warranty?
It does not. Only unlocking the device does.
Sent from my Transformer Infinity!
So if I root my Infinity...
...which pre-included apps can I get rid of?
Also which preloaded apps are best to bump off if I dare a root?
I have never dabbled with android down in the file system much for fear of doing something irreparable.
Well, to the OP: we already have quite a few 'basic' threads going on here, and no one forces you to embark on the more advanced stuff, do we? Just read up on it, and when you feel like you can make the jump, pick it up little by little. We're not all experts in here, but most of us can follow directions of the gurus really good, and we have the advantage of knowing how to save our butts when the excrement impacts the ventilator. (And most of us learnt it the hard way, by bricking and breaking...)
You should be fine in the regular forums, and as the others have said, stay out of the development sections until you feel secure enough to dabble around with unlocking and so on.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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Currently, I suggest you should stay on the side line and waiting for the OTA 4.1.1 JB (new Operating System called Jelly Bean, version 4.1.1 will be push to your pad by Asus). After reading this post you should be ready to play... good luck!
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What's the method for unrooting/reflashing to stock at the moment? I rooted because I wanted to use Titanium Backup right after I got back up to .26. If we haven't figured out how to custom flash roms by the time jellybean comes out, I'll need to go back to stock. I would *hate* to have to lose all my apps, and its possible that titanium backup from 4.0.3 to 4.1.1 might royally screw up the system in doing a restore. So, if that's the case, I guess I'll reflash someway and lose everything? Doh.
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What's the method for unrooting/reflashing to stock at the moment? I rooted because I wanted to use Titanium Backup right after I got back up to .26. If we haven't figured out how to custom flash roms by the time jellybean comes out, I'll need to go back to stock. I would *hate* to have to lose all my apps, and its possible that titanium backup from 4.0.3 to 4.1.1 might royally screw up the system in doing a restore. So, if that's the case, I guess I'll reflash someway and lose everything? Doh.
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Anyone figure out a way to go back from root back to stock yet so that when Jelly Bean comes out we can upgrade?
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Anyone figure out a way to go back from root back to stock yet so that when Jelly Bean comes out we can upgrade?
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One method to get rid of root would be factory reset (power on while holding both the power and volume down while booting and running a factory reset.) But you could probably temporarily unroot with voodoo ota root keeper and then reroot once you install the upgrade to jelly bean with its root keeper.
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One method to get rid of root would be factory reset (power on while holding both the power and volume down while booting and running a factory reset.) But you could probably temporarily unroot with voodoo ota root keeper and then reroot once you install the upgrade to jelly bean with its root keeper.
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That's not true. Funny I've been responding to the same kind of "advice" a few minutes ago in another thread.
Temporarily unrooting through Root Keeper should work, but rooting has prevented updating firmware only for some users. I was rooted and installed updates both manually and through OTA without experiencing any issues. Getting to stock /system partition basically means restoring stock configuration files (like build.prop etc.), removing /system/xbin/su and any copies made by RootKeeper, as well as things that install to /system like BusyBox.
Even if you're rooted you should be able to update firmware manually through stock recovery (power down, power up, hold power and volume down, release, press volume up, etc., with microSD formatted FAT32 and with EP201_768_SDUPDATE on it, it's already in the how-to threads in the general section).
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That's not true. Funny I've been responding to the same kind of "advice" a few minutes ago in another thread.
Temporarily unrooting through Root Keeper should work, but rooting has prevented updating firmware only for some users. I was rooted and installed updates both manually and through OTA without experiencing any issues. Getting to stock /system partition basically means restoring stock configuration files (like build.prop etc.), removing /system/xbin/su and any copies made by RootKeeper, as well as things that install to /system like BusyBox.
Even if you're rooted you should be able to update firmware manually through stock recovery (power down, power up, hold power and volume down, release, press volume up, etc., with microSD formatted FAT32 and with EP201_768_SDUPDATE on it, it's already in the how-to threads in the general section).
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I guess I was just misinformed on the factory reset, sorry if I confused anyone.
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d14b0ll0s said:
That's not true. Funny I've been responding to the same kind of "advice" a few minutes ago in another thread.
Temporarily unrooting through Root Keeper should work, but rooting has prevented updating firmware only for some users. I was rooted and installed updates both manually and through OTA without experiencing any issues. Getting to stock /system partition basically means restoring stock configuration files (like build.prop etc.), removing /system/xbin/su and any copies made by RootKeeper, as well as things that install to /system like BusyBox.
Even if you're rooted you should be able to update firmware manually through stock recovery (power down, power up, hold power and volume down, release, press volume up, etc., with microSD formatted FAT32 and with EP201_768_SDUPDATE on it, it's already in the how-to threads in the general section).
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+ 1 I have rooted several tablets/phone over the last two years and backed it up using voodoo rootkeeper with ZERO issues updating firmware/OTAS. The only thing that happens after updating is that I loose root, but that's where voodoo OTA rootkeeper comes to play. Only a handful of people have had problems. Some are legit while others have messed/modded their device prior to updates. (like removeing system apps or modding build. Props)
"60% of the time, it works everytime. "
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Unroot it again ??
If there are problems with the tablet and it must be repaired on warranty, then I need to unroot it again.
How do I unroot it again ??
Regards Peder
I have only rooted unlocked the bootloader on a acer a100 7" tab and kept the oringinal stock os but, it only cost $150.00. I have also rooted and nvflashed a Viewsonic G tab but, I did not have to unlock a bootloader. The reason I did not install a custom rom on the Acer a100 was because I did not see any great improvements over the original stock. The Viewsonic however was a different story. The custom roms all the way from froyo to JB has made this tabby 1000% better than it ever was but, with nvflash I could restore it to original condition and send it to Viewsonic for warranty repair or replacement. Will nvflashing the TF700 allow me to do that? Are the custom rom that are out that much better than the Asus JB update? .I can understand rooting because I can install SuperSU, and I think but not sure (i believe I read this will require unlocking the bootloader) a custom recovery so I can backup the boot.img and all apps and install apps that require root. Sorry if this question has be asked but did not get any results when inputting this question that related to the TF700. Thanks
ps: my TF700 is being delivered tomorrow.
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I have only rooted unlocked the bootloader on a acer a100 7" tab and kept the oringinal stock os but, it only cost $150.00. I have also rooted and nvflashed a Viewsonic G tab but, I did not have to unlock a bootloader. The reason I did not install a custom rom on the Acer a100 was because I did not see any great improvements over the original stock. The Viewsonic however was a different story. The custom roms all the way from froyo to JB has made this tabby 1000% better than it ever was but, with nvflash I could restore it to original condition and send it to Viewsonic for warranty repair or replacement. Will nvflashing the TF700 allow me to do that? Are the custom rom that are out that much better than the Asus JB update? .I can understand rooting because I can install SuperSU, and I think but not sure (i believe I read this will require unlocking the bootloader) a custom recovery so I can backup the boot.img and all apps and install apps that require root. Sorry if this question has be asked but did not get any results when inputting this question that related to the TF700. Thanks
ps: my TF700 is being delivered tomorrow.
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OK, see if I can make this short and clear:
1. If you rooted, you can roll back to original factory state (send back for repair or exchange), with root you can installed rooted application like Titanium backup, setCPU, modify boot.prop, gps.conf etc...)
2. If you unlocked (you void warranty, there is NO WAY you could re lock your device), with unlock you could install NVflash, install custom recovery to do nanodroid backup (backup the OS and all the apps), flash custom rom/kernel etc..
3. If you compare a good device (a device without problem), that running stock JB and custom rom, the speed is about almost the same, the only benefit with custom rom is you could install custom apps, themes etc..but as far as performance and smoothness they about the same.
I found that strip down custom rom like "Cleanrom" does have an advantage with memory since all the bloats are removed, so I have more memory available to the OS. In my opinion, this thing should have 2gb of memory vs 1gb. There are many times, my memory went down below 150 and I do feel the sluggishness. To combat against this issue, I installed memory management app and it's been good since.
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OK, see if I can make this short and clear:
1. If you rooted, you can roll back to original factory state (send back for repair or exchange), with root you can installed rooted application like Titanium backup, setCPU, modify boot.prop, gps.conf etc...)
2. If you unlocked (you void warranty, there is NO WAY you could re lock your device), with unlock you could install NVflash, install custom recovery to do nanodroid backup (backup the OS and all the apps), flash custom rom/kernel etc..
3. If you compare a good device (a device without problem), that running stock JB and custom rom, the speed is about almost the same, the only benefit with custom rom is you could install custom apps, themes etc..but as far as performance and smoothness they about the same.
I found that strip down custom rom like "Cleanrom" does have an advantage with memory since all the bloats are removed, so I have more memory available to the OS. In my opinion, this thing should have 2gb of memory vs 1gb. There are many times, my memory went down below 150 and I do feel the sluggishness. To combat against this issue, I installed memory management app and it's been good since.
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Thank you, you were clear and concise. About memory though, could I not use an app like System Tuner Pro or System Cleanup to uninstall the bloatware? I have done that with the Viewsonic G tab it only has 512mb of ram and the developers have squeezed JB into it with approx 100mb of ram left to allow for the different things it has to do. As long as you do not have to many things running at the same time and try to keep recent apps cleared out, JB runs very smoothly.
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Thank you, you were clear and concise. About memory though, could I not use an app like System Tuner Pro or System Cleanup to uninstall the bloatware? I have done that with the Viewsonic G tab it only has 512mb of ram and the developers have squeezed JB into it with approx 100mb of ram left to allow for the different things it has to do. As long as you do not have to many things running at the same time and try to keep recent apps cleared out, JB runs very smoothly.
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If your device is not rooted, you should not have access to the folders these apps' files reside in. In other words: no, you can't. To me, having root access provides a means of treating my device like I want to, instead of the way the manufacturer wants me to. Apps like Titanium Backup provide data backup and the possibility to side-load easily. And indeed you could kill off bloatware, although a custom ROM mostly takes care of that issue for you. Oh, and Total Commander needs root access to be able to transfer files to and from both the internal and external memory.
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If your device is not rooted, you should not have access to the folders these apps' files reside in. In other words: no, you can't. To me, having root access provides a means of treating my device like I want to, instead of the way the manufacturer wants me to. Apps like Titanium Backup provide data backup and the possibility to side-load easily. And indeed you could kill off bloatware, although a custom ROM mostly takes care of that issue for you. Oh, and Total Commander needs root access to be able to transfer files to and from both the internal and external memory.[/QUOTEto
Thank you. I had pretty much decided to root which is not a big problem for me. I have done it to 3 or 4 tablets already. I am how ever concerned about unlocking the bootloader and voiding the warranty. I had to return one tablet for warranty work but by nvflashing it I was able to get it back to factory condition. May in the future someone will figure a way around the Asus block, then I will unlock it. I have faith in the xda community.
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lartomar2002 said:
MartyHulskemper said:
If your device is not rooted, you should not have access to the folders these apps' files reside in. In other words: no, you can't. To me, having root access provides a means of treating my device like I want to, instead of the way the manufacturer wants me to. Apps like Titanium Backup provide data backup and the possibility to side-load easily. And indeed you could kill off bloatware, although a custom ROM mostly takes care of that issue for you. Oh, and Total Commander needs root access to be able to transfer files to and from both the internal and external memory.[/QUOTEto
Thank you. I had pretty much decided to root which is not a big problem for me. I have done it to 3 or 4 tablets already. I am how ever concerned about unlocking the bootloader and voiding the warranty. I had to return one tablet for warranty work but by nvflashing it I was able to get it back to factory condition. May in the future someone will figure a way around the Asus block, then I will unlock it. I have faith in the xda community.
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Due to the level of encryption, the unlock tool will not be available by third parties. The encryption will not be circumvened, unless ASUS posts the key due to end-of-life. There's a thread somewhere in which we already discussed this. It comes down to either unlock (and you might as well do it now and get the best performance -- the current CleanROM flies!) or not unlock (ever).
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MartyHulskemper said:
lartomar2002 said:
Due to the level of encryption, the unlock tool will not be available by third parties. The encryption will not be circumvened, unless ASUS posts the key due to end-of-life. There's a thread somewhere in which we already discussed this. It comes down to either unlock (and you might as well do it now and get the best performance -- the current CleanROM flies!) or not unlock (ever).
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Thank you. You have given me the push I needed to unlock and root but first I would like to install the nvflash. I did it once with a Viewsonic G tab but if I recall it was not this complicated. I have a Win7 64 bit pc and I am not sure which of the 3 drivers I am suppose to use. I have posted in their comment section so hopefully they will get back to me. I have never had to use ADB but I found a web site "ADB for Dummies" that has a guide and a link to download the ADB drivers, not sure how old they are or if they need to be updated. I have only read of "fastboot" in some post but it never pertained to me so I ignored it. As you can see I have some boning up to do. If you could point be to some threads or pages that might speed this along I would greatly appreciate it. Many of you have several months head start on me. Thanks
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I think the best one is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901479, although that is probaby the one you are referring to posting in. Their guides are pretty extensive and cover most issues nicely, but I had one issue I cannot find in the others' posts: I have to restart the adb server before any meaningful connection is made between my x64 W7 machine and the 700. Somehow, it hangs up when it should initialize. It's not ftal, but supremely annoying. Just browse to the platform-tools directory, (SHIFT+)right-click and choose " Open command window here", and input the following commands in there: "adb kill-server" and "adb start-server" whenever you get the message complaining about "too much links"
If you get stuck, you can PM me -- I am going on a vacation, but, knowing me, I'll be in here more than is good for me.
MartyHulskemper said:
I think the best one is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901479, although that is probaby the one you are referring to posting in. Their guides are pretty extensive and cover most issues nicely, but I had one issue I cannot find in the others' posts: I have to restart the adb server before any meaningful connection is made between my x64 W7 machine and the 700. Somehow, it hangs up when it should initialize. It's not ftal, but supremely annoying. Just browse to the platform-tools directory, (SHIFT+)right-click and choose " Open command window here", and input the following commands in there: "adb kill-server" and "adb start-server" whenever you get the message complaining about "too much links"
If you get stuck, you can PM me -- I am going on a vacation, but, knowing me, I'll be in here more than is good for me.
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Yes that is the one. I am going to call it quits for today I have been at this for 8 hrs already.
I am in big dilemma; either to root my tab or not.
There is no bloatware to remove and I dont want to play with it with custom roms like I do in my phone.
But I want to install different launcher which need su power to fix widgets.
So should I root it or not I am soooo much confused.
Sorry I can't answer that for you. I was about to ask the same question but in a slightly different form. This is my first tab ( a tab isn't worth getting if it doesn't have an active digitizer ), and I would like to know whether or not to root. The way I see it is that it breaks down into two lists: pros and cons, which I think is also the way you want to look at it. So aside from a custom rom, what are the pros and cons of rooting your Note?
All I want is different launcher with su power. . Touch wiz is silly. Dont let me resize all widgets and eat my all space.
With out root I cant place widgets on home screen in different launcher.
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I am in big dilemma; either to root my tab or not.
There is no bloatware to remove and I dont want to play with it with custom roms like I do in my phone.
But I want to install different launcher which need su power to fix widgets.
So should I root it or not I am soooo much confused.
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I'm in the same dire dilemma...
Root Pros:
Many very useful apps require root to access the inner system settings
It allows to see what's behind the curtains of one's Android device (browse and see system files and settings) and (slowly) learn how does it work
Root Cons:
The device can loose its immaculate "official" status, loose the warranty and the OTA updates.
Some app (mainly apps dealing with media contents and concerned with possible copyright infringements) may stop working if they detect a rooted device, by means of the binary counter, that could anyhow be zeroed with "Triangle Away", or by the mere presence of the SuperUser (SuperSU) app.
The ideal way would be to root but, at the same time, being able to completely hide the rooted status of the device; both for Samsung warranty and Ota updates and for those apps that stop working if they "sniff" a rooted device... but I think that's not possible yet...
I find rooting a device also plugs a lot of security exploits too...
If you're able to, taking back to stock is fairly easy but that can be a BIG if sometimes....
Overall I find having root is a big "+". It allows me touse my device how I want and plugs those holes left by Google/Samsung in their OS.
Each person should evaluate if they need to or not but I find it a lot better to root simply for peace of mind... at least if I get a virus that destroys my tab , I'm the one who gave it root access... The blame is mine other than the tab dies mysteriously one day..
Rooting was super simple with the exynos exploit apk, if you didn't update. I rooted using that apk, then used the same developer's MobileOdin app to update while keeping root. For me, I'd say that rooting is very useful on this tablet because you can also enable multiwindow for every single app, something you won't have without rooting..
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For me, I'd say that rooting is very useful on this tablet because you can also enable multiwindow for every single app, something you won't have without rooting..
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I thought you got that with JB?
JB only have a few apps added to have multiwindows then ICS...but if you root you can use multiwindow manager to add multiwindows ability to all apps.
Also adds the ability to freeze unwanted apps, backup OS in case of bad things happening (settings, OS and user data) and to truly set things up as you, the owner and user, want...
Allows 3rd party tracking apps like cerberus to track and remotely wipe sensitive data in case tablet goes missing not to mention turn on GPS to track and get pics of person using it.
In my view worth it for Titanium Backup Pro and Nandroid backup .
Warranty void easy enough to put that right .
OTA updates don't work not a problem this is after all XDA .
jje
I don't see the confusion on your part. It's a simple decision imo. You want an ability to do something that can only be done with root. Just because you root, doesn't mean you have to customize in any other way.
As far as OTA's go that should be a non–issue as well since they are mostly a joke as far as improvement in any significant way. Everything they have is readily available here on XDA and more often than not sooner.
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All I want is different launcher with su power. . Touch wiz is silly. Dont let me resize all widgets and eat my all space.
With out root I cant place widgets on home screen in different launcher.
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Forgive me if I haven't totally understood what you want.....but you can install any launcher you want without rooting. I have Go Launcher, it allows me to resize Widgets etc.
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Markhypnosis said:
Forgive me if I haven't totally understood what you want.....but you can install any launcher you want without rooting. I have Go Launcher, it allows me to resize Widgets etc.
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Yeah. Do u really need root just to change launcher?
Unless u need it for other reason, I don't think root is needed just for changing the launcher.
But if u want root access, then yes, ur device need to be rooted.
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Yup I got that guys. Thank you.
I tried long time ago and it didnt work. Now it does
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sphere314 said:
...The ideal way would be to root but, at the same time, being able to completely hide the rooted status of the device; both for Samsung warranty and Ota updates and for those apps that stop working if they "sniff" a rooted device... but I think that's not possible yet...
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A new possible solution for some Samsung devices is here.
I haven't tried it yet, but, according to the thread posts it seems that:
it can preserve the official status and the binary counter
there's an "unroot" option, so that, if some apps sniffs the rooted status and stops working, you can temporarily unroot and have it work again
If anyone has actually tried it on the GNote 10.1, his comments will be appreciated.
Backup apps and data without root
JJEgan said:
In my view worth it for Titanium Backup Pro and Nandroid backup .
Warranty void easy enough to put that right .
OTA updates don't work not a problem this is after all XDA .
jje
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You all know that there is a new backup program that does not need root to backup apps and app data.
Its called "Carbon - App Sync and Backup" by ClockworkMod
Here is the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
It works great.
sphere314 said:
A new possible solution for some Samsung devices is here.
I haven't tried it yet, but, according to the thread posts it seems that:
it can preserve the official status and the binary counter
there's an "unroot" option, so that, if some apps sniffs the rooted status and stops working, you can temporarily unroot and have it work again
If anyone has actually tried it on the GNote 10.1, his comments will be appreciated.
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kkretch said:
You all know that there is a new backup program that does not need root to backup apps and app data.
Its called "Carbon - App Sync and Backup" by ClockworkMod
Here is the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
It works great.
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I've tried them both and I'm really satisfied with the results.
1) before trying the Framaroot app I used Carbon backup to make a full backup of all my apps data (without root).
2) after that, being confident enough I could restore back my tablet apps data (in case something went wrong), I used the Framaroot app to get root.
Result:
1) I could backup my app's data before rooting
2) With Framaroot I have now root access. Anyway, the most important thing is that my device status has remained "Official" (1) and the binary counter is "unchanged" as well!
I wouldn't ever think that it was possible to root a device without having to change the recovery and, by doing so, change the device status/binary counter.
Now I know it's possible
(1) EDIT feb-17-2013
Update: the device status is now "Custom". Yet, after the rooting, I checked and rebooted more than one time. There must be some Android service that checks the presence of root periodically and finds out, sooner or later, if the device is rooted
sphere314 said:
I've tried them both and I'm really satisfied with the results.
1) before trying the Framaroot app I used Carbon backup to make a full backup of all my apps data (without root).
2) after that, being confident enough I could restore back my tablet apps data (in case something went wrong), I used the Framaroot app to get root.
Result:
1) I could backup my app's data before rooting
2) With Framaroot I have now root access. Anyway, et hemost important thing is that my device status has remained "Official" and the binary counter is "unchanged" as well!
I wouldn't ever think that it was possible to root a device without having to change the recovery and, by doing so, change the device status/binary counter.
Now I know it's possible
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Thank you for the info on framaroot. I read the thread you had linked earlier and decided to try it out on my old Archos 101 gen 8 (since the developer indicated he was able to root this device with framaroot) before attempting to install it on my note. Needless to say, it didn't work on the Archos (tried it twice) and I ended up having to reformat both times because the tablet got stuck in a boot loop. Was installation really that smooth on your note and can you confirm that you're running JB 4.1.2 not 4.1.1 (saw your post in the framaroot thread).
mke1973 said:
Thank you for the info on framaroot. I read the thread you had linked earlier and decided to try it out on my old Archos 101 gen 8 (since the developer indicated he was able to root this device with framaroot) before attempting to install it on my note. Needless to say, it didn't work on the Archos (tried it twice) and I ended up having to reformat both times because the tablet got stuck in a boot loop. Was installation really that smooth on your note and can you confirm that you're running JB 4.1.2 not 4.1.1 (saw your post in the framaroot thread).
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As I said in the other thread I'm not 100% sure about JB 4.1.1 or 4.1.2.
All I'm sure of is that the firmware code is N8000XXCLL3-N8000ITVCLL1
According to Sammobile it is 4.1.1 but according to Samsung-updates it is 4.1.2. In the tablet, in the "Settings - About device" page the Android version reported is 4.1.2.
Since I'm now rooted maybe I could find out the real Android version (beneath Samsung's touchwiz) by having a quick look at some of the system file... if anyone could tell me where to look .
Anyway I can confirm that my rooting process was really smooth, that it took less than a minute and that my Note's Status has stayed "Official". (1)
Probably I was just lucky or the firmware I had on the GNote 10.1 is one of those with which Framaroot works ok.
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Update: the device status is now "Custom". Yet, after the rooting, I checked and rebooted more than one time. There must be some Android service that checks the presence of root periodically and finds out, sooner or later, if the device is rooted
sphere314 said:
As I said in the other thread I'm not 100% sure about JB 4.1.1 or 4.1.2.
All I'm sure of is that the firmware code is N8000XXCLL3-N8000ITVCLL1
According to Sammobile it is 4.1.1 but according to Samsung-updates it is 4.1.2. In the tablet, in the "Settings - About device" page the Android version reported is 4.1.2.
Since I'm now rooted maybe I could find out the real Android version (beneath Samsung's touchwiz) by having a quick look at some of the system file... if anyone could tell me where to look .
Anyway I can confirm that my rooting process was really smooth, that it took less than a minute and that my Note's Status has stayed "Official".
Probably I was just lucky or the firmware I had on the GNote 10.1 is one of those with which Framaroot works ok.
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Thank you. I may wait to see if other note users with JB 4.1.2 report success with Framaroot before I try it on my note since I had issues with a device that the developer had been able to root with his program. Even though I've backed up with Carbon, I don't care to deal with my note stuck in a virtual boot loop. I appreciate you pointing out Framaroot I hadn't seen the thread on it.
the seller stated that the following "this phone is rooted (with stock rom) and has the "Team Win" custom recovery for those of you who like to flash custom roms, kernels, apps, whatever (if you don't know what either of ths mean, don't worry about it)... "
I have not rooted an htc one x because I'm afraid of losing some of the functions the stock rom has, So my question to you guys is, Can I restore this back to stock rom? I'm confused when he said he rooted it with stock rom.. and what is team win custom recovery? If I just wanted to restore the htc one x to its original factory state is that possible?
Its possible but the warranty on the phone is void as the bootloader is surely unlocked and will show relocked if you restore it. And restoring it could prove to be somewhat of a task as you'll need to determine the ruu for that phone.. What carrier did he purchase the phone from? There's a chance the Cid of the phone has been changed so you may have to change the Cid back before running an ruu. The rom he has loaded is probably the stock rom with root so I don't see any reason for it to run any differently.
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what @exad said, plus there are a number of rooted stock roms available that are, well, stock, so I wouldn't worry too much about losing any features.
'Team Win custom recovery' is just a recovery 'program' you can use to flash custom roms and enhancements.
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Its possible but the warranty on the phone is void as the bootloader is surely unlocked and will show relocked if you restore it. And restoring it could prove to be somewhat of a task as you'll need to determine the ruu for that phone.. What carrier did he purchase the phone from? There's a chance the Cid of the phone has been changed so you may have to change the Cid back before running an ruu. The rom he has loaded is probably the stock rom with root so I don't see any reason for it to run any differently.
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I thought if you purchase the phone from someone else the warranty is automatically void hence you're not the original owner. He purchased it from at&t, and as for the rooting, if it is indeed rooted with stock rom and no functions of the stock rom are lost,What's the purpose of stock rom with root? I thought the whole point of rooting your phone was so you get custom roms, but than again I'm no expert
here are his exact words
"Excellent condition ATT smartphone. I only used this phone for about a month and bought it brand new. Had a ballistics case on it since day 1 and the screens condition is flawless. Switched carries recently and of course need the money for a new phone. Also, this phone is rooted (with stock rom) and has the "Team Win" custom recovery for those of you who like to flash custom roms, kernels, apps, whatever (if you don't know what either of ths mean, don't worry about it)... "
Having root allows you to make changes to the system partition. Basically you can have the stock Rom but get rid of all the bloat and extra apps that AT&T includes which would otherwise be permanent
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I have not rooted an htc one x because I'm afraid of losing some of the functions the stock rom has,
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What functions? Root is only a change in permissions. It gives you access to the system files, that are normally not accessible. Root doesn't take away any functions.
Only exceptions, is that you sometimes can't get OTA firmware updates if you are rooted. Or installing them may result in the phone not booting properly. For most folks on here, this isn't a factor, since people what mod their phones and install custom ROMs typically don't want the OTAs anyway. Also, I think movies purchased from the Play store might not work if you are rooted. But I never buy/watch those, so I might not have the latest info there.
Now in your case, if you want to keep the phone bone stock, and still get OTA updates, you might just look for another purchase. Yes, the phone can be returned to near stock condition. But it requires you learning some things you don't already know:
- Download and install fastboot files
- Install HTC drivers or HTC sync (if not already installed)
- Use fastboot to relock the bootloader
- Download and run the appropriate RUU (ROM Update Utility) which will return your phone to near stock condition
If you are willing and interested in learning a few things about how the phone works, then it might still be a good purchase. Otherwise, if you just want to get a stock phone, and not have to mess with it, you might just look at buying elsewhere. There should be plenty of other decent options for unrooted One X phones.
Also note that I say the phone can be restored to "near" stock. The bootloader will only say RELOCKED, instead of LOCKED. Once the bootloader is unlocked, it can't be changed back to LOCKED, only RELOCKED. And this may have warranty implications.
I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
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I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
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Simplest way is to use RSD Lite to send your device back to stock 4.1.2 -- then you can use the recently posted root method to gain root back. It should take < 15 minutes to do, most of that spent flashing with RSDLite. It'll actually take longer to download all the ADB drivers, Moto drivers, etc -- if you don't have them already.
triplexdoubledadevelopers said:
I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
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Whats up,
Cpudan80 is right, your best bet is to flash stock 4.1.2, and to reroot. And it does take about 15 minutes if you don't already have drivers and stuff, but I can help you out, by linking you to my utility, which essentially does the heavy lifting of finding all of the programs and stuff, and puts it together into one convenient package.
Find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2241788
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Simplest way is to use RSD Lite to send your device back to stock 4.1.2 -- then you can use the recently posted root method to gain root back.
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Cpudan80 is right, your best bet is to flash stock 4.1.2, and to reroot.
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Thanks for the replies! Would you link me to that root method, Cpudan80? All of the root methods I've been able to find say that you must flash 4.0 or CWM first in order to root, then protect root and upgrade to JB again. Is there a new better way which doesn't require downgrading?
triplexdoubledadevelopers said:
Thanks for the replies! Would you link me to that root method, Cpudan80? All of the root methods I've been able to find say that you must flash 4.0 or CWM first in order to root, then protect root and upgrade to JB again. Is there a new better way which doesn't require downgrading?
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There's a thread on here somewhere -- but here's the thread I followed (after using RSDLite to go back to clean 4.1.2). No hard steps at all, just run a bat file - press enter and viola - you're rooted.
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/15208-root-motochopper-yet-another-android-root-exploit/
Cpudan80 said:
There's a thread on here somewhere -- but here's the thread I followed (after using RSDLite to go back to clean 4.1.2). No hard steps at all, just run a bat file - press enter and viola - you're rooted.
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Amazing, thanks! I had seen that exploit at one point when I was considering getting an earlier RAZR version and was looking into how easy it was to root it. I thought that exploit didn't work with the XT925 since there was no link to it in the forum (and searches only revealed many tales of failed root attempts and downgrades). Thanks again!