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To root before or after OTA?

Hey everyone. Just got the Samsung Nexus S... and I've got a question.
I've read on these forums that the OTA makes it so you have to flash CWM recovery everytime you want to reboot into recovery to flash a ROM and that it's more difficult to root.
Should I flash the OTA then root or root prior to OTA?
Thanks in advance.
m00n
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You should get the OTA before you root and it is very easy to make the root stick. I did it with root explorer but I heard you can do it without it.
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tominater12 said:
You should get the OTA before you root and it is very easy to make the root stick. I did it with root explorer but I heard you can do it without it.
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Which method did you use to root. And how did you manage to use root explore to get root access when root explorer needs root access first in order to operate? Thanks for your response.
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No after you root you can use root explorer to make the recovery stick and there are like 5 guides on how to root on every OS in the android development sub-section. (They are stickied)
m00nshake said:
Which method did you use to root. And how did you manage to use root explore to get root access when root explorer needs root access first in order to operate? Thanks for your response.
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Thanks again for your response and for the clarification about using root explorer. I have read the stickies regarding rooting the phone, and because there are a few, I was wondering which method you used. I've read that superboot is the easiest and that you can rename a particular system file so the recovery sticks. Thanks again for your response.
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m00nshake said:
Thanks again for your response and for the clarification about using root explorer. I have read the stickies regarding rooting the phone, and because there are a few, I was wondering which method you used. I've read that superboot is the easiest and that you can rename a particular system file so the recovery sticks. Thanks again for your response.
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Get the OTA.
Apply it.
Boot up to make sure everything is ok. Then boot to bootloader
fastboot oem unlock, confirm it, wipes everything including your internal sd.
flash clockwork mod recovery.
go to clockwork mod recovery from bootloader menu.
mount "internal sd" copy the su-2.3.6.1-ef-signed.zip you downloaded (from the guide) to your internal sd.
unmount internal sd.
mount /system
flash the su-2.3.6.1-ef-signed.zip file.
reboot phone as normal.
login to your gmail account. go to market, download a rooted app like titanium backup free version, and also download rom manager, and buy/get root explorer.
install all those make sure super user is granted and works.
use root explorer to rename/delete the file in: /etc/recovery.sh file or whatever it's actually called.
go to rom manager, and flash the latest clockworkmod recovery (3.0.0.5)
turn off phone and boot to recovery and make sure it's clockwork mod 3.0.0.5, if it is, you're set.

Very helpful post, nxt. Thank you very much.
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nxt said:
Get the OTA.
Apply it.
Boot up to make sure everything is ok. Then boot to bootloader
fastboot oem unlock, confirm it, wipes everything including your internal sd.
flash clockwork mod recovery.
go to clockwork mod recovery from bootloader menu.
mount "internal sd" copy the su-2.3.6.1-ef-signed.zip you downloaded (from the guide) to your internal sd.
unmount internal sd.
mount /system
flash the su-2.3.6.1-ef-signed.zip file.
reboot phone as normal.
login to your gmail account. go to market, download a rooted app like titanium backup free version, and also download rom manager, and buy/get root explorer.
install all those make sure super user is granted and works.
use root explorer to rename/delete the file in: /etc/recovery.sh file or whatever it's actually called.
go to rom manager, and flash the latest clockworkmod recovery (3.0.0.5)
turn off phone and boot to recovery and make sure it's clockwork mod 3.0.0.5, if it is, you're set.
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Don't you need the android sdk?

tominater12 said:
Don't you need the android sdk?
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Yes, you need to have the Android SDK properly installed and you're able to do a 'fastboot devices' command properly and your Serial number comes up.

Hot root captivate 2.2

Anyone how to root a captivate 2.2 with no usb cable needed
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Have you tried to e-mail yourself the correct root zip file? Or not e-mail, but just downloading the file directly from the forum to your phone?
Once you do that then it's simple.
2. check e-mail and download file to your device
3. rename file to update.zip
4. make sure file is in the root directoy. You can use My Files to move it there.
5. reboot into recovery by using one of the methods like 3 button or two button. Whatever works with your phone.
6. once in recovery, select reinstall packages
You should be rooted. You can look for the superuser app in your applications to confirm.

sircaper said:
Have you tried to e-mail yourself the correct root zip file? Or not e-mail, but just downloading the file directly from the forum to your phone?
Once you do that then it's simple.
2. check e-mail and download file to your device
3. rename file to update.zip
4. make sure file is in the root directoy. You can use My Files to move it there.
5. reboot into recovery by using one of the methods like 3 button or two button. Whatever works with your phone.
6. once in recovery, select reinstall packages
You should be rooted. You can look for the superuser app in your applications to confirm.
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Agreed. All you really have to do is download the root update.zip.I have personally never had much success with the only click roots and have to do it manually whenever I need it. My latest strategy for getting clockwork on my phone is to just keep a copy of it in a folder. That way the only reason I need a computer is to flash back to stock
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z4root option
z4root is an apk not on the market but just look for it on xda that roots the phone. z4root isnt that good though becuse its either you permentaly root the phone forever or temporory root the phone which if you turn the phone off it will remove the root and you would need to re root. BEST advice use the pc or mac 1 click root or unroot but it needs usb
sorry i suck at spelling

Z4root works, but since you can't install non-market apps, no apk will run off the phone. You need a usb cable and adb for the first shot.
The only non-usb way is with the update.zip file as mentioned above.

alphadog00 said:
Z4root works, but since you can't install non-market apps, no apk will run off the phone. You need a usb cable and adb for the first shot.
The only non-usb way is with the update.zip file as mentioned above.
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which wont work without 2e recovery or disabling the signature check on 3e....

Pirateghost said:
which wont work without 2e recovery or disabling the signature check on 3e....
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Yeah, I don't know that there is any guaranteed way without a PC unless you're staying on JF6 or something else with 2e, or using the modded 3e (and for that you'd still need a USB cable wouldn't you?), since the CWM update.zip won't work on 3e.

Awesome Drop the file to you phone. Works from any computer.

It says my signature verification failed. Do you have the correct update.zip file?

Install titanium backup without market

I flash roms a lot and there is something I need to find a fix for.
Once the flash is done I boot up and start initial phone setup menu. I have to sign into my google account at this stage obviously. So once that's done the first thing I want to do is restore my apps with titanium, so I go to the market for it, but the market straight away starts downloading ALL my apps at once when I only want TB to download. Only way to stop it is to go through the entire app list and cancel all the downloads, which takes a while. I cant let the downloads go ahead as it's far too many megabytes.
So I want a way to install TB without using the market. I've tried creating the update.zip in TB options and the zip does get created, but when I flash it from recovery it doesn't install.
Can I get the apk from somewhere and install it that way (I know you can push from cmd prompt although I've never tried it), and if so is there a way to do it on the phone only, as I often flash roms when I'm away from the computer.

When you enter your google credentials, it'll ask you if you want to back up your data. Uncheck it. Once your past that screen go into settings > privacy and assure automatic restore is unchecked.
The apks are in /data/app/ by the way.
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zephiK said:
When you enter your google credentials, it'll ask you if you want to back up your data. Uncheck it. Once your past that screen go into settings > privacy and assure automatic restore is unchecked.
The apks are in /data/app/ by the way.
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I'm very familiar with these options. I always leave the option to backup to google ticked in case I ever need it (unlikely), but I always have auto' restore unticked, so I'm pretty sure that the automatic downloading of my apps is because the market app recognizes that I own them all when I sign in with my google account, and not because of auto' restore - but correct me if I'm wrong.
So how would I install TB using the apk. Does it have to be done with my computer? Is there another way. Root explorer would be great, but I'd have to install that the same way, which renders it useless in this particular case. What do all you experienced people do to get round this. Or do you just get through it the same way I do???

You can extract your TB using root explorer and save it on your sdcard. Sometimes its stored in /system/app or /data/app.
Usually roms come with a file explorer, so once you have a rom installed go to its file explorer and install your backed up TB. That's how I usually do it. Hope that helps.
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markfavis said:
You can extract your TB using root explorer and save it on your sdcard. Sometimes its stored in /system/app or /data/app.
Usually roms come with a file explorer, so once you have a rom installed go to its file explorer and install your backed up TB. That's how I usually do it. Hope that helps.
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markfavis,
you the man Your post helped me figure some stuff out. Your thanks meter just went up by a point.
I use ns_collab most of the time and I did not realise it came with root explorer preinstalled until you mentioned roms coming with a file manager. I did a bit of research and discovered root explorer is preinstalled with ns_collab. I never realised it was part of the rom as I already own root explorer so TB always restores my copy.
I've already made a copy of the TB apk files, so I reckon i've got this sorted for next time I flash a rom.
Just one more thing to check. The apk files I have backed up are:
com.keramidas.titaniumbackup-1.apk
and
com.keramidas.titaniumbackuppro-1.apk
Is this all I need to

I think you only need one of those files. One of em is the pro version. I only have one file and I install it like a regular apk file.
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markfavis said:
I think you only need one of those files. One of em is the pro version. I only have one file and I install it like a regular apk file.
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I've got the pro version - so I think this must be right. If you are on the free version and only use one file then I'm cookin

im using the pro version and i only have one apk file. pro restores faster with hypershell

Root and then Unroot For Secure Email

This may seem like a basic question to you guys.
I work in an industry where our emails our monitored.
We now have the ability to get emails on android phones instead of only being able to use blackberry.
The email is transmitted securely by an app called GOOD.
GOOD will not work on rooted phones.
Can I root & remove bloatware & then unroot ? Or does it all come back?
I assume the phone has to be rooted to run a custom ROM?
Apologies if these are basic questions

Check out this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1255214
The steps to follow would be to:
1) Install clockworkmod recovery using the one-click recovery flasher that tga gunmann has posted in the development section.
2) Download the 2 zips that jboxer posted in the thread I linked to above and save them to the sdcard on your phone
3) Using clockworkmod recovery flash the root zip and then reboot into Android.
4) Use Root Explorer or some other file explorer with root access and get rid of whatever bloatware you don't want.
5) Reboot into clockworkmod recovery and flash the unroot zip.
6) Reboot phone
That will allow you root access to make any system changes and then unroot the phone to remove su privileges.

Yes u can root and remove bloat with titanium back up then unroot and then the bloat will still be gone. Also I believe u can unroot certain roms. Not sure
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thanks for your help

NP. Keep us updated? Everything work?
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I am about to get good next week hopefully , will post back.

I wonder why it wouldn't work on rooted phone's though?

It detects the presence of the su binary among other things and refuses to run.
buru898 said:
I wonder why it wouldn't work on rooted phone's though?
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New How to Install Video!! Rooting with the OTA Gingerbread...

Just finished up posting a video on rooting with the new OTA updates of Gingerbread 2.3.6. Let me know if you need help. Read the show notes first and backup everything!
Dave
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzJE...xt=C326a0c8UDOEgsToPDskJD2AQiktg6frnsdEWSNuJH
Channel:
www.youtube.com/kraisydave

Thank you for this Sir!
This will help for when I obtain root on my bro-in-law's D.C.
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Technically speaking, you don't have to load an entire OS ROM via ODIN.
All you really have to do is download the SuperUser Pack, install CWM, flash the SuperUser Pack in CWM, and then you'd be rooted.
Then, once you're rooted you would then go into Root Explorer, find a file called "install_recovery.sh" in /system/etc and then change the permissions of the file so that it doesn't have Executable permissions, and then go back to install CWM (again) and you'll have permanent CWM.