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Hi guys,
I've been playing around with my Nexus S for about 3 weeks and I've decided to root it, but I have some question, I've been searching the answers in older posts but it's not quite clear yet, hope you can help me.
When I unlocked the bootloader, what kind of data will be wiped? It's just the SD card or also all the apps I've already downloaded? what about SMS, pictures and videos?
Is there anyway I can backup that data considering I haven't root it yet???
Thanks in advance.
dont do it man. i just got my phone yesterday at 1 pm and its now 12am and its bricked by lack of support from the cummunity. i studyied and studied 4 around 10 hours. then bricked my device. and i have a good idea i wont be getting a replacement this time
LINKSLOVESANDROID said:
dont do it man. i just got my phone yesterday at 1 pm and its now 12am and its bricked by lack of support from the cummunity. i studyied and studied 4 around 10 hours. then bricked my device. and i have a good idea i wont be getting a replacement this time
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lol what? its nobodys fault but your own. all the resources are available, just because somebody isnt responding to your threads and holding your hand to restore a nandriod backup doesnt make it a "lack of a community".. and your phone isn't bricked, it can be recovered but you are too close-minded and cant install Clockwork Recovery / get drivers working
The data that will be wiped are most likely your SMS/settings/etc. This is standard procedure. And its something you'll go through a lot when you are using custom ROMs.
There are complete instructions for rooting, unrooting and unbricking your phone. It's all here in the forums, and many other places, you just have to look and learn. I read for two weeks before I unlocked and loaded a ROM into my NS.
If you don't have a need to root your phone I wouldn't do it just because you can. I wanted to run the Voodoo app so I had to root and load a ROM. It took a little while but it was painless and I liked learning about the Android system.
You do have to backup your app and your SD, but that was the easy part.
It's close to impossible to brick a nexus device. They purposely come with totally open boot loaders specifically for that purpose!
RogerPodacter said:
It's close to impossible to brick a nexus device. They purposely come with totally open boot loaders specifically for that purpose!
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its not only Nexus devices but like I said people are using the term brick wrong. with these new phones coming out, a lot of them are hard to brick.
if you're phone is able to get into recovery/start/download mode (odin not popular but still an option)/bootloader then its not bricked.
if its unable to start in any form or way.. its considered a brick. please stop using the term in its wrong definition.
"brick" describes a device that cannot function in any capacity (such as a device with damaged firmware)
In the strictest sense of the term, bricking must imply that software error has rendered the device completely unrecoverable without some hardware replacement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)
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I think guys you have lost focus about my question, it's not about how to root (there is a lot of info about), it's about what kind of data will be wiped and how to back it up
Netconn said:
You do have to backup your app and your SD, but that was the easy part.
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What's the best way to do it? It's there an app or I have to day it by myself?
Make a nandroid backup first and foremost! Use Titanium Backup to make a backup of all your apps. If you want a backup of your sms, go sms pro really does a great job of that. Dont forget your contacts as well! Then copy your sd card and place it on the hard drive of your computer. When you unlock the bootloader, it does wipe your sd card. Once your unlocked and rooted, you should be able to restore everything once you replace the copy of your sd card back on the phone. Coming over from a Vibrant, I was nervous about rooting the phone but its an easy process. Just take your time and do lots of reading! Hope this helps!
Thenx, but I still have one doubt, if I haven't root my phone yet, will nandroid or titanium work?
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
Woops..yeah, your right there. Too quick to reply. I followed this method here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895545
and had no problems. Once you get unlocked/rooted and clockwork recovery, then you can make the fore mentioned backups. Export your contacts to the sd card then copy the sd card to the hard drive of your computer before unlocking the boot loader. I do not think apps get affected during the sd wipe unless you have them stored there.
zephiK said:
its not only Nexus devices but like I said people are using the term brick wrong. with these new phones coming out, a lot of them are hard to brick.
if you're phone is able to get into recovery/start/download mode (odin not popular but still an option)/bootloader then its not bricked.
if its unable to start in any form or way.. its considered a brick. please stop using the term in its wrong definition.
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i followed the instructions to flash gri74 back to stock and my phone wont turn on, wont goto any mode, wont read that its hookedup to my pc
isnt that what we call a brick? ive had issues on a galaxy s with this game issue. htc devices i can fly through the root procedure but i got this 1 rooted, tried reflashing to stock and the phone wont turn on at all.
may i suggest a noob proof guide|? i postted 1 in the htc desire forum and people love it. yesterday i returned a moto xoom because ti was overheating , got a nexus s and 2day il b returning that because it wont turn on. can any1 help me think of a good idea i can tell the future shop return people?
kmhil said:
I think guys you have lost focus about my question, it's not about how to root (there is a lot of info about), it's about what kind of data will be wiped and how to back it up
What's the best way to do it? It's there an app or I have to day it by myself?
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you are forced to lose your data to initially root your device. then after that point, you can always create backups and never lose data again while you switch between ROMs and flashing etc. but i think to initially root, you have to lose everything. not the sd card though.
LINKSLOVESANDROID said:
i followed the instructions to flash gri74 back to stock and my phone wont turn on, wont goto any mode, wont read that its hookedup to my pc
isnt that what we call a brick? ive had issues on a galaxy s with this game issue. htc devices i can fly through the root procedure but i got this 1 rooted, tried reflashing to stock and the phone wont turn on at all.
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Do keep in mind, we don't have an i9020 or an i9023, we have an i9020A So the instruction out there all need to take that into considerations. I rooted mine fine with no "Bricking" I had to follow the instruction for the i9023, but it worked. I figure it took me all of 1 minute to root my phone. Admitedly, the "One click root" for the Galaxy series was easier.
I try to make it a point to never be the "First" person to do something on their phone. Much safer that way.
I also find it very unusual that you've managed to brick two phones, I've also had the pleasure of owning the telus fascinate, and not once did i get it bricked, I tried Bionics, CM7, Darky's and a bunch of other ones. Just never mess with the boot loader. When you went back to stock, did you make sure it was a stock ROM for the I9020A?
Have you tried connecting the USB to a computer, holding the volume up (or in the case of the galaxy, both up and down) While powering on the device? I've had to use that a few times to recover my galaxy (Thank you odin!!).
Now in regards to the OP, I would recommend using a program like Ti to back everything up, unlock the bootloader then restore from Ti, it's a little more hassel, but you can pretty much keep your settings and data. Personally, i rooted my phone before configuring a single thing on it.
kmhil said:
Thenx, but I still have one doubt, if I haven't root my phone yet, will nandroid or titanium work?
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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there is no way to make a good backup without rooting.
basically yes, you will lose all your settings
there are a few apps you can use to backup your apk before unlocing/rooting the phone.
look for App admin on market https://market.android.com/details?id=az.mecid.appadmin&feature=search_result
the stuff backed to SD does not get wiped
only the internal storage stuff
LINKSLOVESANDROID said:
dont do it man. i just got my phone yesterday at 1 pm and its now 12am and its bricked by lack of support from the cummunity. i studyied and studied 4 around 10 hours. then bricked my device. and i have a good idea i wont be getting a replacement this time
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i took about 12 minutes total to unlock my bootloader, flash clockwork, and flash a custom rom. its not difficult if you pay attention to what you read. youre phone is not bricked. btw, i read your threads. if you werent so demanding, i would have helped. use the pdanet website the next time you need to install the proper driver, and follow the directions that they give you.
When I unlocked I used Astro to back up my apps, I turned on the Google data sync to back up my contacts and I did a back up of my SD on my computer.
When the unlock and recovery was done NS asked for my Google account then it restored all my contacts, Astro restored all my apps and I restored my files from my computer. A few steps but not difficult at all.
You will have to redo your accounts and data, and maybe an app or two won't load but the market will show them installed, just reinstall any that didn't.
Make sure you follow the directions properly in the forum. I had to use two computers to get it to work, but it did work and nothing was damaged.
With all that said.... This was the first time I have ever owned or altered an Android phone. Sure I was nervous... Now I'm hooked.. haha
I wound up using NSCollab .17 so far so good..
First thing I did when I got my phone was fastboot oem unlock.
Even if you don't want to root, use another ROM. Fastboot unlock it so your data doesn't get wiped.
If your hardware and everything seems okay, then flash Clockwork Recovery and do a nandroid backup so you can restore to pre-flashing point if you need it for OEM purposes.
Afterwards, go crazy and flash like theres no tomorrow and find something that you'll like.
And agreed with simms. You've made so made so many threads about this. I would help you step by step but I've been busy so I can't do that anymore. But if you search, you'll find about two or three threads where I did help somebody get their phone to a working state.
The basic idea is... if your phone doesn't boot but you can get to recovery.
- Download a ROM or Nandroid backup
- Install USB drivers
- Fastboot oem unlock (if you haven't)
- fastboot flash recovery recovery.img (or whatever the recovery.img is named) should be in /sdk/tools
- reboot into recovery (adb reboot recovery)
- mount and storage: mount USB, put the nandroid backup or ROM onto phone
- nandroid restore or flash a ROM (wipe factory,dalvik,cache --> flash ROM (if its CM7.. flash gapps afterwards)
- reboot
your phone boots. alternatively, you can use Odin but thats not a popular method but the choice is available if you wish to go towards that approach
in the worse worse possible case scenario there is always ODIN to the rescue
Why did you guys wait at all?
Once i got the phone i immediately plugged it into my computer and rooted it.
hello everyone
im in need of help of installing a new rom on my mytouch 3g 32b. im trying to install the ginger yoshi rom properly however i don't know were to start. Im pretty much lost in what is the first step to install this rom. no i don't have the phone "rooted" in fact what is this rooting mean anyways? the radio and SPL are up-to-date, can someone help me get start in this? thanks
1st root the phone that is get access to the phone's system files
2nd install custom recovery
3rd download rom file
4th flash zip from the option of custom recovery
DONT DO IT IF U WANT TO USE UR PHONE FOR SOMETIME!!! COZ AFTER USING A ROM PEOPLE FACE LOT OF PROBLEMS.. OR PROBABLY BRICK UR PHONE, IN WHICH ITS BETTER TO THROW UR PHONE OUT THE WINDOW INSTEAD OF TAKING IT TO THE VENDOR COZ U WILL VOID THE TOTAL WARRANTY.. TRY AT UR OWN RISK!
try checking other topics or search within this website. i bet you'll find answers to those questions you are looking for right now.
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DONT DO IT IF U WANT TO USE UR PHONE FOR SOMETIME!!! COZ AFTER USING A ROM PEOPLE FACE LOT OF PROBLEMS.. OR PROBABLY BRICK UR PHONE, IN WHICH ITS BETTER TO THROW UR PHONE OUT THE WINDOW INSTEAD OF TAKING IT TO THE VENDOR COZ U WILL VOID THE TOTAL WARRANTY.. TRY AT UR OWN RISK!
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Okay, not to be rude, but this is way off. The ALL CAPS really helps though.
Rooting my phone took only a few minutes. Backing up my current rom + flashing a new one = 15 minutes, tops. Plus, I couldn't imagine being back on the stock rom. My phone runs smoother, looks better, and does more than it could out of the box.
That being said, I'm not familiar with your phone, so the rooting process could be more difficult & lengthy. There are automatic root apps, but there are manual methods as well. Auto-root methods take less time & work, but when something goes wrong, it can be difficult to troubleshoot as you're not fully aware of what's happening. Manual methods require more work, and when something goes wrong there are more solutions because you're fully aware of the state of your phone. Another plus to doing it manually - you learn something.
For the record, rooting your phone is technically gaining access to system files. This includes the apps that come preinstalled, the framework, the entire operating system. There are many benefits to rooting, however you do void your warranty. You can return your phone to it's stock, non-rooted state if you need to take it in.
Before doing anything, I would read as much as possible. Read the stickies in the forum related to your phone, read any noob guides you can find, and be certain you know what you're doing before you do it. Also know why you're rooting - don't just do it because it's something that seems "cool".
Once you've read & found a method you're comfortable with, go ahead and root. Be sure to do a backup in recovery, and if you want to save your apps + data, back that up with Titanium Backup. Then download and flash the rom in recovery.
If you need anything else or have any questions (be sure to read first!) ask here or send me a pm & I'll be glad to help out.
Good luck!
im still noob on nexus s, i just would like to ask if there is a possibility to permanently brick a nexus s?
Sure, why not. But you gotta be doing a lot stuff wrong before you hard brick the NxS.
As long as your careful, no. No full brick as been reported with.nexus s yet.
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As long as your careful, no. No full brick as been reported with.nexus s yet.
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Actually some ppl bricked their devices by destroying the EFS folder, resulting in no IMEI. You can still fix this with a hardware mod, but not everyone is capable of doing that nor has access to it (and it's illegal mostlikely).
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Actually some ppl bricked their devices by destroying the EFS folder, resulting in no IMEI. You can still fix this with a hardware mod, but not everyone is capable of doing that nor has access to it (and it's illegal mostlikely).
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is the hardware mod you're talking about is something like with hardware tool like jtag, or etc? so if this happened to me, i can't fix it alone with the use of some software tool, i need to send it in a repair shop?
sorry for these irritating noob questions,
maybe tomorrow i will root my nexus s with 1click root by borky_16, if i failed to install it, what kind of brick will i be getting?
You have a developer phone with a unlockable bootloader. Learn how to do it the proper way and not some 1click nonsense for a nexus/GED device.
To be honest if you can't install the sdk and follow the very simple instructions how to root/flash/nandroid etc you really have no business with su privileges on any *nix machine.
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You have a developer phone with a unlockable bootloader. Learn how to do it the proper way and not some 1click nonsense for a nexus/GED device.
To be honest if you can't install the sdk and follow the very simple instructions how to root/flash/nandroid etc you really have no business with su privileges on any *nix machine.
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Exactly. Read the directions and you'll be fine It is veryyyy easy.
zhane0513 said:
is the hardware mod you're talking about is something like with hardware tool like jtag, or etc? so if this happened to me, i can't fix it alone with the use of some software tool, i need to send it in a repair shop?
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bro, im from the philippines too, my nexus s is just stuck at the google logo, i brought it to the repair shop already and they cant fix it, they said whenever they try to unlock the bootloader it keeps hanging up. i really dont know what else to do, the guy there told me to have my nexus s jtag'd but im not sure of leaving my phone there.
guys, what should i do?
tnx for your replies dudes...i will try my best to learn about nexus world anyway, i have also an old android phone which i was able to root install custom roms/kernels/tweaks/etc it would be a good prior knowledge though,
ouch...what did u do to made it into brick? try sending it to samsung shops, even though warranty is voided, they can still repair your phone with service fee i think
if you dont know what you are doing is,it might be.
i know a little bit cause i install mods/roms/kernels/tweaks to my previous android phone...just asking to be more safer
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ouch...what did u do to made it into brick? try sending it to samsung shops, even though warranty is voided, they can still repair your phone with service fee i think
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it was lowbatt then it shutdown, after i charged it, it never booted up till the x animation its just stuck at the google logo.. hassle, i bought this phone from india so i dont think samsung shops here in manila will even try to fix it.. i gave it to a really well known technician he said he was gonna jtag it.. i just hope he can fix my nexus s, i just had it for 3months.
can you brick the phone by undervolting too much ?
or you can always get into fastboot recovery and flash a stock rom ? (or change the uv settings via ADB)
mine is completely bricked, i sent it back to samsung india, cause im based in the philippines. after my technician tried to use odin and he even jtag'd it now it wont boot up, its just dead. i hope samsung india fixes it for free cause its still locked.
Thing I should explain something. Bricks are forever. That's what brick means. That being said, you can as some call it "soft" brick and recover. A true brick, becomes just that, a "brick". The device will never run again from anything the end user can do.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G
Now bricks are not forever...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236273
Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*
Hey, I have a question about TempRooting my phone. I dont want to root my phone because i dont want to void my warranty. But, I want to do a few things with my software that require root access. For example, I want to install a CRT animation on my phone which, of course, required root access. Basically what my question is, is if I temproot my phone and modify a few things like installing CRT animation, will it void my warranty? I know TempRooting will not void the warranty, but Im curious as to if installing a CRT animation will void the warranty. Also, if I do it, will i still be able to receive the OTA updates via wifi? Thanks guys
Temptooting Voids your warranty, Dunno where you heard that it doesn't.
Mod it. Thats all I have to say
Using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1591601 will put you back to stock COMPLETELY. Tmobile can't tell. I got a HD2 with windows mobile on it and flashed android on it. Yea, a completely different OS. Found some hardware issues (was a refurbished phone) restored back to stock using a similar technique and sent it back to Tmo. They have never contacted me or ever asked me about it. My friend also had text messaging problems on his Exhibit. We rooted and flashed CWM and a new rom to see if it fixed and ended up restoring back to stock and getting a different phone. There is also a way to edit the flash counter though I do not know where to find one for our phone atm.
so basically if I temproot my phone, mod the hell out of it, im good to go? and if i ever need to take it in to Tmobile or if i want to upgrade to 4.0 when the OTA comes out, i just follow that guide and everythings all good? and your sure that its legit and it works? i dont really trust one-click programs
You are always taking a risk if you root. Period. But I have sent rooted phones in to be returned without issue and if you return to stock as described in the post you will be able to get the update.
Hey, I just read a post on XDA describing why its okay to root your device, according to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act. It says that a company has to prove that you broke your phone by rooting it if there is a problem with it, and its under warranty. Is it really true?
Hello i'm new in here and i think this is an awesome forum
Anyway, i'm willing to root my phone but i just don't want to reach the point where my phone got Hard Brick or useless. So how long does rooted phone live? Would it only take a months? because i can read some topics in other forums that their phone got bricked. Why is that happening? Is that normal? And how to avoid soft brick or hard brick? I will not be downloading some Rooted Apps if i root my phone. I just want to use this Wifikill app, dsploit and etc. but i will not be flashing customized ROM or themes. So would it still "soft brick or hard brick" my phone?
Thanks !!!!
Rooting isn't dangerous if you're careful
Hi there, I'm not sure what you mean by "how long does a rooted phone live", but I'll try to answer as best as I can.
Rooted phones 'live' as long as a non-rooted phone, the only risk of rooting a phone is the flashing part. For todays rooting methodes it's actually hard to hardbrick a phone, espescially when you just follow the steps provided by the rooting process.
Hardbricking a phone means that you messed up the flashing soo badly that there is no way to recover the phone. I actually tried on purpose to hardbrick an old SGS3 and even when I removed the USB cable while flashing the recovery, I was still able to revive the phone.
Softbricking however is much more common, but actually quite easy to revive from. All you need to un-brick the device includes having ADB/FastBoot on your PC or access to the recovery.
This way you can allways reflash the recovery or ROM if this gets corrupted.
You'll need a custom recovery to root your phone. You can brick your device if you pick the wrong recovery, but this is easy to check. Always match up the modelnumer of your phone with the one for the recovery.
After the rom has been installed, you'll need to flash the SuperSU zip to succesfully root your device and after that, you're all set.
So, bottomline is: as long as you make sure your phone is fully charged, and your PC won't randomly shutdown (that's why I always flash from a laptop). There is no way you can mess up.
For the lifetime of your phone: If you aren't planning on overclocking, you don't have to worry about shortening the lifetime of the device.
If you're going to root, always make a backup of your data, just in case something does go wrong!
For the apps you're mentioning: Just make sure you use those apps on your own network!
Flashing
So you mean flashing is the most common reason that bricks your phone? What if i want to play games, listens to music, texting or calling, does it brick your phone(soft or hard?)? And is it possible for the unrooted phone to be brick bit by bit if you keep on flashing wrong recovery file? I hope you can answer all my questions
No it's not possible to brick your phone by playing games, music ect. Flashing (Writing another recovery or updating your ROM) is the one and only way to brick your device.
If you flash the wrong recovery image to your device, it will be bricked. It 'should' be fixable in most cases.
The question about unrooted phones... Well, you can flash an custom recovery on your phone and get it bricked that way, but there is no need to flash another recovery if you're not going to root the device afterwards.
So just to clarify, you're not going to brick your device by normal use, rooted or not. The bricking part is when you're installing the recovery and root. When you succesfully rooted your device, there is no way you can brick it, until you're going to install another ROM on your device.
The worst thing that could happen with installing another ROM is getting stuck in a bootloop, but that can be fixed by going into the recovery and reflash(or install, if you prefer that term) the ROM. Unless it's the first time you're installing a custom ROM, in that case you will be stuck in a bootloop because you'll need to wipe the data, system and cache partition before installing a ROM. This prevents getting in a bootloop after installing a new ROM
Thanks !
Ok so i think i will root my phone tomorrow Im not in a purpose of installing custom ROM or kernel. I just want to use apps like dsploit or wifikill and it needs a proper root access. So its all clear and now i understand how bricky part happen. THANKS !