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Hello all
just did the ICS w/root flash upgrade to my xoom cause it was wheezing, on it's last leg. funny thing after using the modded cwm factory reset/ wipe this that everything.
then used cwm to install the upgrade. installed root explorer. and to my surprise all my old data/dir's are still on the sd card
WTF this is gonna be a problem? or not?
thanks

Calm down, why is your question so angry? LOL
You are now rooted - so even a factory data reset from CWM will not erase your internal SDcard Data. It is not a problem, you can manually erase your un needed data from Root Explorer if need be. Is all good, no worries.

endless loop
Thanks for your reply. this xooms been giving me fits for a 3 days now.
started having to reinstall a few new games. then TB started messing up
did a factory reset and lost use of the home button.
so i tried to install tiamat, on reboot all i get is a little white revolving kinda circle on the bottom right of screen.
tried installing wingray that worked. til i powered the xoom down. on reboot it gets stuck in the pulsating ics screen. only way to get it to boot is too reflash and then it boots
so everytime i power down it gets stuck in loop.
can anybody help with this? is it hardware?
thank you

WarrantyVoided said:
Thanks for your reply. this xooms been giving me fits for a 3 days now.
started having to reinstall a few new games. then TB started messing up
did a factory reset and lost use of the home button.
so i tried to install tiamat, on reboot all i get is a little white revolving kinda circle on the bottom right of screen.
tried installing wingray that worked. til i powered the xoom down. on reboot it gets stuck in the pulsating ics screen. only way to get it to boot is too reflash and then it boots
so everytime i power down it gets stuck in loop.
can anybody help with this? is it hardware?
thank you
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Which version of Xoom are you using?

xoom wifi u.s. 32g

WarrantyVoided said:
xoom wifi u.s. 32g
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Sounds like it might be the software. What system image did you use to root? Did you flash the GAPPs as well, when you flashed the ROM? Unroot, go back to stock. Start from scratch Re-Root then flash the Wingray ROM and the GAPPS from here : This is a pretty solid ROM Let us know.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484770

Thanks
just found the way to flash back to 3.01,
now it boots everytime i turn it back on. geez that ics was a nightmare, wonder why?
first thing it did was start downloading updates
what version is the easiest to root?

holy crap, it's only updated like 6 times now, its now working on ics

WarrantyVoided said:
holy crap, it's only updated like 6 times now, its now working on ics
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I really does not matter which version you are on before root, because you are going
to push a dif image on there anyway. Great you are back to stock and have a clean
slate to work with!
1. Downloading the rooting-update zip file.
Download the zip file from here - http://goo.gl/Om9aP
Now place this on your external sdcard. - Sorry this is a requirement at the moment, like I said this is a bit rushed.
2. Flashing recovery
1. Download this Recovery image. http://bit.ly/iLRAIV (place this image in you SDK PlatformTools Folder, or which ever folder that contains your adb.exe)
2. If your device is locked, now is a good time to unlock it.
Code:
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot oem unlock
fastboot reboot
3. Flash recovery
Code:
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flash recovery recovery-Tiamat-R4c-100611-1150-cwm.img
Once you have verification on your device that this has been flashed, reboot your device by holding volume up + power.
Then 3 seconds after you see the Motorola logo, hit volume down. You should now see "Android Recovery" in the top left corner. Hit volume up to boot into recovery.
4. Flashing the Xoom-Universal-Root.zip file.
If you're in clockwork mod recovery you can continue (This recovery image will say it is clockwork mod) . If you're not looking at clockwork mod, then you need to repeat step 3 again.
In cwm, go into "install zip from sdcard" -> "Choose zip from sdcard", then select the Xoom-Universal-Root.zip file you downloaded.
Note: use the volume buttons to navigate and the power button to select
Reboot your device and then welcome to your rooted device!

the xoom came along way today, from semi brick to ics with cwm. but the universal root tool did not work root explorer/cwm cannot get su.
dang sure learned alot today
i found the update.zip in that script from xxlordxx and did all that but it did not work
did the same thing with the link you provided here and it work.
thanks for all your help.

what benefits are gained using tiamat

WarrantyVoided said:
what benefits are gained using tiamat
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It depends on your taste. I sent you the link to that ROM because it is STABLE and you can flash it just to make sure that your system is working correctly. It's best to try a few diff ROMs and see which one best suits your needs!---------- Post added at 12:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:32 PM ----------
WarrantyVoided said:
the xoom came along way today, from semi brick to ics with cwm. but the universal root tool did not work root explorer/cwm cannot get su.
dang sure learned alot today
i found the update.zip in that script from xxlordxx and did all that but it did not work
did the same thing with the link you provided here and it work.
thanks for all your help.
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Sure, no problem.

Offering $5 to anyone who can walk me through rooting this phone.

Hi all,
I feel like I've tried several different methods to root this phone. It's a brand new Galaxy SIII, SCH-1535, version 4.1.2. I'm not good with technology so I need someone to personally walk me through this via some sort of messenger like G talk or Skype. My skype is "mystreetspirit". I can pay you $5 via PayPal unless you're feeling friendly.:angel:
Thank you so much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LooVTqESvo
Give this a go...

northtracks said:
Hi all,
I feel like I've tried several different methods to root this phone. It's a brand new Galaxy SIII, SCH-1535, version 4.1.2. I'm not good with technology so I need someone to personally walk me through this via some sort of messenger like G talk or Skype. My skype is "mystreetspirit". I can pay you $5 via PayPal unless you're feeling friendly.:angel:
Thank you so much!
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If u still don't have it, ill help after i get data working on mine flashed to page plus
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I don't want your money but I'll try and help you. I will slowly walk you through this guide.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046439 just follow each step below
The first step is to download drivers for your phone, to avoid problems when connecting it to your computer. Download them here http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...ng_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones_v1.5.14.0.exe and run the .exe to install
Once that is installed you will want to get the program Odin, it allows you to flash custom things on your phone while it's in Download Mode. This is what allows you to get started with rooting your phone. Download it here: http://samsung-updates.com/Odin307.zip and unzip the zip file with WinRAR or 7zip, and open the .exe file to open Odin.
Now download this: http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED.zip and put the zip file on your phone (don't unzip it)
Then download this, onto your computer don't copy it onto your phone: http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/VRALEC.bootchain.tar.md5
Now download this onto your computer: http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/CWM6023TouchVZW.tar.md5
If you're on 4.1.1, download this. If you're on 4.1.2, download this. Keep on your computer, don't copy to phone sdcard.
Now you will have everything you need and can get things started.
Make sure you have the SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED.zip file on your SD card. This is the only file downloaded that needs to be on your phone's sdcard.
Boot phone into Download Mode. To do this restart the phone, while the phone is turning off, hold down the Home button and Volume Down at the same time. You will do this every time you boot into Download Mode. You must be holding Home and Volume Down at the same time while the phone is booting up. When it boots up it will bring up a screen asking to continue or cancel, press Volume Up to continue.
Now you're in Download Mode. Open Odin, connect phone to computer with Mini USB cable. Odin will say "Added" when you connect your phone. Don't mess with any settings in Odin right now.
Click "PDA" and a window will come up. Double click the VRALEC.bootchain.tar.md5 file you downloaded earlier, and click Start.
Your phone will now boot.
Reboot and go into Download Mode again. (keep Home and Volume Down held down at the same time as the phone boots up)
Connect the phone to your computer if it isn't. Odin will say "Added" and will show something in one of the "ID:COM" boxes, that's how you know it's connected to Odin.
Uncheck "Auto reboot"
Click "PDA" and a window will come up, then double click the CWM6023TouchVZW.tar.md5 file you downloaded earlier, and click Start. When it finishes it will say RESET
You now have a custom recovery, which replaces the default Samsung one and lets you do things such as flash custom firmware onto your phone and many other things.
Your phone will still be on and connected to Odin because you unchecked "Auto Reboot". Disconnect the USB cable, so the phone is no longer connected to the computer. Then take the cover off of the back of your phone and remove the battery. Now put the battery back in.
Your phone is now off. Boot phone into Recovery Mode. You do this the same way as Download Mode, except hold Volume Up instead of Volume Down when booting. So you will hold Home and Volume Up at the same time, hold the power button while still holding those 2 buttons, wait til you see "Recovery booting..." in the top left corner in small blue text, and now you can let go of Home and Volume Up, and you will be in Recovery Mode in a few moments.
To navigate in Recovery Mode, you can either move up and down using the volume buttons, and press Power to select an option, or you can just tap what you want with the touch screen.
Tap "Install zip from sdcard"
Choose the SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED.zip file you downloaded and put on your sdcard earlier. If you put it in a folder, you must open that folder and choose the file. So for example if you put it in the Music folder of your sdcard, you must tap the Music folder and then tap the zip file. If it's on the root of your sdcard just scroll all the way down after tapping "Install zip from sdcard" and you will see it on the bottom.
After you tap the file, it will ask you if you want to install, tap Yes.
Installing that file has just rooted your phone.
Now go to the first screen of Recovery and choose to reboot. (if you aren't already on the first screen tap the back button until you're there)
When you choose to reboot it will ask if you want to disable recovery flash. You have to select Yes.
Now your phone will boot up and you will be rooted. Now you have to do one more thing.
Reboot into Download Mode (have Home and Volume Down held down at the same time as the phone is booting up) and press Volume Up to continue
Make sure Odin is opened and connect your phone to your computer. Make sure "Auto Reboot" is checked.
Click "PDA", a window will come up, double click the VRBMB1_Bootchain.tar.md5 file you downloaded earlier. (it will be called VRBLK3_Bootchain.tar.md5 if you downloaded the 4.1.1 version) and click Start.
When it finishes your phone will boot up. Now you're done, you're rooted, and you can close Odin and disconnect your phone.
If you want to flash a custom ROM or kernel, you flash them by putting the .zip file on your sdcard, booting into Recovery Mode, clicking "Install zip from sdcard" and tapping the zip file. But before flashing a custom rom, you must "wipe data/factory reset" first in Recovery. Then clear the cache in Recovery, and then clear the Dalvik Cache in recovery. You can find Dalvik Cache in the Advanced menu.
Click here if you forget how to boot into Download Mode or Recovery Mode

Thank you!
Really, I appreciate it a lot.

northtracks said:
Thank you!
Really, I appreciate it a lot.
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No problem you got it rooted?
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

northtracks said:
Thank you!
Really, I appreciate it a lot.
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joshua5683 said:
No problem you got it rooted?
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII
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Working on it now, I'll let you know for sure.

Nope. Same problem as a had before. I flashed everything correctly. When I get to the point where I have to install SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED from recovery mode, it says:
Code:
#MANUAL MODE&
--- Appling Multi-CSC...
Applioed the CSC-code: VZW
Successfully applied multi-CSC
--Install /scdcard
Finding update package
Opening update package...
Vertifying updating package...
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted.
>_<
And all my system recovery menu says is
reboot system now
apply update from adb
apply update from external storage
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
apply update from cache
I don't see anything from installing from disk so I used apply update from external storage.

northtracks said:
Nope. Same problem as a had before. I flashed everything correctly. When I get to the point where I have to install SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED from recovery mode, it says:
Code:
#MANUAL MODE&
--- Appling Multi-CSC...
Applioed the CSC-code: VZW
Successfully applied multi-CSC
--Install /scdcard
Finding update package
Opening update package...
Vertifying updating package...
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted.
>_<
And all my system recovery menu says is
reboot system now
apply update from adb
apply update from external storage
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
apply update from cache
I don't see anything from installing from disk so I used apply update from external storage.
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That's the problem you chose apply update when you need to install the zip. You don't have an option to install zip from sdcard? If not boot your phone into Download Mode, open Odin, flash this file: http://techerrata.com/file/twrp2/d2vzw/openrecovery-twrp-2.5.0.0-d2vzw.tar the same way you flashed the other files in Download Mode. Your phone will boot up, then reboot into recovery. This recovery is called TWRP, I prefer this one but I linked you to the other one called CWM cause I think it's easier to use. Try using that recovery. When you boot into it, tap "Install", find your SuperSU_Bootloader_FIXED.zip file and tap it, and swipe over where it says "Swipe to Confirm Flash". Then to do a normal reboot in this recovery you tap "Reboot to System". Now you should be rooted. For me when I leave recovery it will sometimes say "Root permissions appear to be lost" but I think that's just a glitch. I just tap "Do Not Fix" and I'm fine

i have 4.1.2
the last part of the rooting process, what bootchain do i flash after I install recovery ???
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rsswga said:
i have 4.1.2
the last part of the rooting process, what bootchain do i flash after I install recovery ???
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VRBMB1_Bootchain.tar.md5
(VRBLK3_Bootchain.tar.md5 if you're on 4.1.1)

I finally got it somehow! That other recovery mode to flash worked.
Thank you all for your help. You're great. Thanks going out to everyone.

northtracks said:
I finally got it somehow! That other recovery mode to flash worked.
Thank you all for your help. You're great. Thanks going out to everyone.
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No problem congrats
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

stuck on stock
ive done this step by step numerous times, phone always reboots at will...stuck on stock sucks
ive tried not even installing any apps, nothing helps

rsswga said:
ive done this step by step numerous times, phone always reboots at will...stuck on stock sucks
ive tried not even installing any apps, nothing helps
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What do you mean? it reboots by itself? when?
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

it just reboots sometimes in ten minutes to thirty minutes, sometimes it goes into a bootloop, im trying to run stock rooted.
having 3g 4g issues as well..verizon has me another phone in route
joshua5683 said:
What do you mean? it reboots by itself? when?
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII
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rsswga said:
it just reboots sometimes in ten minutes to thirty minutes, sometimes it goes into a bootloop, im trying to run stock rooted.
having 3g 4g issues as well..verizon has me another phone in route
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Yeah it sounds like an issue with your phone
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

Just tried it again about 30 minutes ago..no reboot yet..rooted stock.. i did the exact thing I've done 30 times..fingers crossed
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I spoke to soon...lol..POS
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rsswga said:
Just tried it again about 30 minutes ago..no reboot yet..rooted stock.. i did the exact thing I've done 30 times..fingers crossed
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium
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I spoke to soon...lol..POS
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda premium
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POS?
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

Oh nvm lol.. yeah I think there's something wrong with your phone
Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy SIII

Phone won't boot...need help quick!

I was running CarbonROM and wanted to try out a TW ROM. I booted into my recovery (TWRP), backed up Carbon, went to wipe options, did a Factory Reset, pushed the button to wipe system, it started but after a couple seconds the phone rebooted. I try boot back into recovery by holding down the power, VOL up, and home button. I get the "Samsung" splash screen and it says "recovery booting....", then the TWRP screen will show for a couple seconds, then my phone will reboot. I can't boot into the phone because I did a factory reset.
So I can't get into the phone and only get the start screen for TWRP but can't actually get into TWRP. Any help?

I found out I can boot into download mode. I should be able to find a stock rooted image there, right? Not sure how to do that though.

Had the same problem a little while back.
It;s been a few weeks since this happened to me so it's a little hazy so bear with me.
You are going to want to use ODIN to flash a rom with root, and once you get that you are going to want to reinstall a recovery pronto. (I suggest EZ-recovery 1.2)
A quick search will give you a few tutorials, just basically start like you are coming from a stock firmware and are rooting through ODIN.
Hope this helps!

schmaltzy said:
I found out I can boot into download mode. I should be able to find a stock rooted image there, right? Not sure how to do that though.
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It sounds like you TWRP might be broken. I'd try Odin first and pda push the newest TWRP again. If That fails then I'd push the newest CWM in Odin and see if that works. After getting CWMI to boot if you want to go back to TWRP again, pda it over thru Odin. If these fail then push a stock ROM from Odin and start all over again.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk HD

Sounds like a soft brick I did once too. I believe what I did was use Odin to go back to factory defaults, then I rerooted my phone
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Try googling "boot looping"
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[Q] ICS Recovery Menu not working ,,,

I installed ICM on my Infuse but the Recovery Menu is not working.
All that is displayed is ...
GALAXY S
cyanogen (mod)
... and nothing else happens.
I had to remove the battery to get the phone to work again.
I tried to enter Recovery by selecting Reboot Recovery from the power button menu and also tried
holding down both Volume Up/Down and the Power buttons but they only
resulted in the GALAXY S screen.
Any advice?
Thanks
Carl

Not even using ROM MANAGER will get me to the Recovery Menu.
ROM MANAGER reports that my CWM is v2.5.1
Is there a security setting that prevents one from going to the Recovery Menu??
Did the key press sequence change from pressing both VOLUME UP/DOWN and then POWER?
Baffled.
Carl

that happens because you have to flash twice the ics rom, before opening new threads you should read the instructions.
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alexischino said:
that happens because you have to flash twice the ics rom, before opening new threads you should read the instructions.
Sent from my SGH-I997 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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I thought I had flashed the ICS rom twice.
I followed these instructions:
Coming from Gingerbread (double flash):
1) download rom
2) reboot to recovery
3) wipe data/factory rest, wipe cache, wipe dalvic cache
4) flash rom
5) reboot
6) will get stuck at samsung logo or something
7) simutaniously hold power button, volume down, volume up until your phone reboots and you see the samsung logo - as soon as you see the samsung logo let go of buttons (but not your phone lol)
8) mount system
9) re-flash rom with no wipes
10) reboot and enjoy
Was a little confused about "8) mount system" -- should it have been mounted or unmounted?
Anyway to get CWM installed now?
Carl

cwmoser said:
I thought I had flashed the ICS rom twice.
I followed these instructions:
Coming from Gingerbread (double flash):
1) download rom
2) reboot to recovery
3) wipe data/factory rest, wipe cache, wipe dalvic cache
4) flash rom
5) reboot
6) will get stuck at samsung logo or something
7) simutaniously hold power button, volume down, volume up until your phone reboots and you see the samsung logo - as soon as you see the samsung logo let go of buttons (but not your phone lol)
8) mount system
9) re-flash rom with no wipes
10) reboot and enjoy
Was a little confused about "8) mount system" -- should it have been mounted or unmounted?
Anyway to get CWM installed now?
Carl
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This is how you should do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndC39t1AE-k&feature=youtube_gdata_player if you are having problems do a fresh flash
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alexischino said:
This is how you should do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndC39t1AE-k&feature=youtube_gdata_player if you are having problems do a fresh flash
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I thought I followed the video and instrutions just like shown.
Anyway, to reflash I don't have a Recovery Menu. So, do I set the phone
to Download Mode and use Odin?
If so, in Odin do I use the PDA button to select the ICS Rom?
Thanks
Carl

cwmoser said:
I thought I followed the video and instrutions just like shown.
Anyway, to reflash I don't have a Recovery Menu. So, do I set the phone
to Download Mode and use Odin?
If so, in Odin do I use the PDA button to select the ICS Rom?
Thanks
Carl
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I think you should go back to gingerbread using odin and then flash the ics rom this way you will have a clean installation.
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alexischino said:
I think you should go back to gingerbread using odin and then flash the ics rom this way you you will have a clean installation.
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Took your advice and started all over.
Was able to get "BeanStalk" Jelly Bean OS installed on my Samsung Infuse.
I went back to installing Gingerbread using PIT, PDA, and PHONE files using ODIN3.
Then installed Gingerbread with CWM using ODIN3.
Followed Video carefully and got ICS installed with a working CWM recovery menu.
Found the "BeanStalk" version of JellyBean and got it installed.
Had some trouble with the Launchers (Holo, Nova, and Trebuchet). They continually
crashed with "Unfortunately, xxx Launcher has stopped".
Every action caused this Launcher to crash.
Somehow I got it to go away.
Thanks much for you assistance.
Been a real learning experience delving into this technology and its arcane terminology.
Still, a rewarding effort.
Thanks again,
Carl
(Jelly Bean on my Samsung Infuse)

[Q] Help! My faulty TWRP erased cache and system!

I was in recovery to flash a camera mod, after I flashed the mod I went to clear cache and dalvik just like I usually do when I flash something.
It got stuck on erasing cache for TEN minutes. So I held power to reboot it. Cache was then unmountable. Then I heard if that happens it's probably TWRP's fault, and that a Factory Reset would help. So I did that, and now my /system is gone and I unmountable.
I was able to get into bootloader before, but now that I'm at home it seems I'm having trouble getting there. What are some "force"/hard reset ways to get there? When I try to hold to reboot and hold Vol UP/DOWN it stays black??? Sometimes if i just press power it boots to Google and stays. From there I try to hold power to reboot and get UP/DOWN to get to bootloader but either my timing's off or I'm doing somethign wrong?? Help!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2518875
Might want to look that thread over.
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Can u get to recovery? You will have to download a Rom on your computer and side load the Rom to your phone.
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lucky_strike33 said:
Can u get to recovery? You will have to download a Rom on your computer and side load the Rom to your phone.
Sent from my dlx using XDA Premium HD app
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Yes but it continuously says "E:Unable to mount /cache"
I tried wiping it but it takes <5 minutes, is this normal? Can I format it in fastboot...? Or should I just use Google Factory and not ever use recovery or what?
What's the long term fix since somehow TWRP can't wipe my cache without doing something horrible, and CWM isn't official?
EDIT: Finally cleared after like 10 minutes. I managed to adb push a stock untouchced zip through TWRP.
EDIT: What the hell? I booted and my phone is just like it was before?? Somehow data survived I guess? Lost no apps, no photos... Cool i guess? /thread

I had the same problem as you and after I flash back the stock camera I can enter the system normally except the internal storge won't be mounted. do you have any idea why...and how to fix it?
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maolin95 said:
I had the same problem as you and after I flash back the stock camera I can enter the system normally except the internal storge won't be mounted. do you have any idea why...and how to fix it?
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Took a factory reset and restored the data, it worked fine. they should put a giant warning in the camera mod thread about this kind of things.