For those who don't use a case, how is the wear and tear on the phone? Any discoloration of the white phone? I ask because I ha e a clear silicon case that is now disgustingly dirty and no longer clear and the phone looks so slick without a case.
Don't know how for others, mine stays in a case of one sort or another and has Ghost armor on both sides.
But, I can probably guess OneXs are holding up better against wear an tear versus another shiny high gloss phone used under same circumstances.
Mines white too, on topic, an has black armor on it, the exposed parts that are white are easily cleaned an show no wear from when phone is not cased but depending on what does in their life any phone is going to possibly show signs of wear in bad situations without a case.(Where exposed)
For myself, just comes down to, do you feel lucky or not against drops while being case or skinless even. If it wasn't for that darn camera ring protruding so far, I'd go completely case less and rely on G/A alone.
Thankfully, our phones are not painted, a friend's GNex got scarred badly in a case where sand got in with it,...where we could buff it out I bet.
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I had a full body best skins ever on mine until my back covering started to peel up a little so I took it off. I haven't dropped it yet, but as far as normal pocket and set down scratching, none yet. I do have a screen protector on it but that's it. I love the matte finish on the back, can't bring myself to cover it back up. I was always worried the camera ring was gonna get scratched up on the bottom, but it seems to be tough as nails.
Mines still mint.. never had a case on it since release. ONLY thing is that stupid grey sticker on the back is starting to have its corners roll back a teensy bit... I want to take it off but don't know if it's necessary if I ever have to send it in.. can anyone confirm this?
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InflatedTitan said:
Mines still mint.. never had a case on it since release. ONLY thing is that stupid grey sticker on the back is starting to have its corners roll back a teensy bit... I want to take it off but don't know if it's necessary if I ever have to send it in.. can anyone confirm this?
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I took it of as soon as i got it. The info is on the box but i stuck it on it just in case.
I have a grey that I've had since launch in May and the shell is holding up well. I'm not impressed with the glass. I baby my phone and it still has hairline scratches in the glass.
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I took it of as soon as i got it. The info is on the box but i stuck it on it just in case.
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Same. Leave it on too long and it'll leave a ghost when you peel it off. The info is on the box, in the box, and within the phone's settings.
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It's TOO TIGHT! Yes, it fits on the phone without a problem BUT the button inside of it that is used to press on the power button pushes all the time, causing the phone to reboot.
I've got it sitting on the dash of my truck today to warm up a little, maybe it will stretch then and I will try it while it's warm.
If not, I may have to alter it a little by cutting out the nub that's inside of the button section of the case.
weird... Im using a smoke argyle TPU case for the vibrant on my SGS4G with perfect fitment. and it looks super cool with the shimmering backplate.
Works fine now that I let it sit in the sun a few hours!
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Perhaps Gel case was the wrong name for it... Not sure... it may be TPU...
If you go into the T-Mobile store it's somewhat of a rasberry color up top then fading down to black at the bottom.
Had the same problem with mine. Even my friend who is a manager at the T-Mobile store said that the raspberry cover had that issue. I liked the cover so I'm going to try and trim that area down a bit on the inside.
Let me know how it turns out. I ended up taking the case off because I was worried about wearing out the power button. I couldn't even tell it was pushing in when I had the case on.
Yea I'll stick to my bodyglove kickstand case. My wife has one of those skins/shells and I can't stand it as I can't touch the edge of the screen.
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The clear one or the black/chrome one?
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I bought my Galaxy S 4G today and also bought the black gel case because on the packaging it said "Galaxy S 4G". So dummy me thought it was different then The vibrant, but it is'nt. They are the same. I dont have the problem you do with the case being tight with either one.
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The clear one or the black/chrome one?
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The clear one with the black sides. I had one on my Vibrant and loved it, especially for showing off phone skins from skinit.com and for propping it up as my alarm clock at night (thank you Screen Filter and Lightning Bug )
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The clear one with the black sides. I had one on my Vibrant and loved it, especially for showing off phone skins from skinit.com and for propping it up as my alarm clock at night (thank you Screen Filter and Lightning Bug )
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I went into the store and exchanged the raspberry case for the one you mentioned - I love how it feels in my hand!
Glad you like it! It does feel good and the best part imo (like i said before) it doesn't block the screen edges at all.
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone who has been using the HOX naked has had any issues with the matte finish wearing off and becoming glossy? When the phone was first released, I heard a bit that this might happen, so I wanted to see how everyone is fairing.
I bought my HOX on day 1 and got one of the OEM HTC cases (blue one with horizontal slots along the whole back).. and its been HORRIBLE! The casing is so thin that it started to crack in the corner when I removed it to clean or change my SIM card. Eventually, a piece of the case broke off. I then checked my One X and found out that dust had been trapped underneath and because it was loose, scuffed up the whole bottom of my phone! It was a complete waste of $20. So now I'm thinking about going nude for the time being.
Rocking it naked without an issue. Having a sleeve custom made, though, just to have a little bit of protection while running around. Pics will be posted once I finally get a chance to pick it up.
Grey. Naked since day one. No problems.
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Just thought I'd throw this out there. My naked white is still incredibly clean. Rubbing it slight removes all small blemishes. I still haven't had any major mishaps with the white but I'm fairly confident that it will come off easily if I get proper cleaning materials. King of surprised by how clean it is really.
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This sounds pretty good guys, doesnt sound like i need to worry much about being naked
No its fine naked. Just like the post have mentioned. A good minimal case that adds no bulk really is the case mate barely there case. If you need a case I recommend you check that out. It is very very thin and looks good. Just in case you decide you want to try a case.
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The matte finish is definitely starting to wear and I don't believe it will hold up. Look very closely and under bright light right by the speaker grill where the phone normally rests when sitting on a surface. There is a bit of wear in the matte finish. I can confirm this on two different device. These are white ones. This is too bad because I was really hoping the case on this phone would be super durable. With the way HTC talked it up it sounded indestructible. Looks like it's time to see how well the s3 case is holding up for people...
Nothing makes me cringe more than a beautiful design hidden behind a case. But, I also feel for those whose naked phones go flying to the ground.
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roltzje said:
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone who has been using the HOX naked has had any issues with the matte finish wearing off and becoming glossy? When the phone was first released, I heard a bit that this might happen, so I wanted to see how everyone is fairing.
I bought my HOX on day 1 and got one of the OEM HTC cases (blue one with horizontal slots along the whole back).. and its been HORRIBLE! The casing is so thin that it started to crack in the corner when I removed it to clean or change my SIM card. Eventually, a piece of the case broke off. I then checked my One X and found out that dust had been trapped underneath and because it was loose, scuffed up the whole bottom of my phone! It was a complete waste of $20. So now I'm thinking about going nude for the time being.
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I knew dust would get in, glad I avoided it. Sometimes a cheap ebay case is best...
No issues here and I've had mine for nearly a month.
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Get this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007X50L22/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
Mad thin you dont even realize uve got something on. Protects the back and its almost transparent. Win win
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Get this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007X50L22/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
Mad thin you dont even realize uve got something on. Protects the back and its almost transparent. Win win
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I bought it when it came out. I took it off now i cant find it. Bought the black transparent one.
These things attract a lot of dust! Especially the clear one since you can see it lol.
Naked for about a month now, some of the matte has worn off in the corners, but it doesn't look bad. Infant, it gives it character
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This is probably the same issue the One S users were experiencing.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2942239/htc-one-s-chipping-response
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Didn't realize it was the mobile link. Desktop link here...
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2942239/htc-one-s-chipping-response
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Naked. There is a very slight "chin" on back just below the "beats audio" logo.
This is the area that touches whatever surface the phone is set down on. On my HOX this area is starting to "smooth" very slightly. Noticeable by eye really and only in good light. Not causing me any concern.
The One X just feels too good in hand to put a case on. :good:
jspidey said:
This is probably the same issue the One S users were experiencing.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2942239/htc-one-s-chipping-response
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Didn't realize it was the mobile link. Desktop link here...
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2942239/htc-one-s-chipping-response
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It's not.
The One S had a ceramic coating that would chip off and reveal the metal underneath. Our phone is plastic.
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It's not.
The One S had a ceramic coating that would chip off and reveal the metal underneath. Our phone is plastic.
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I stand corrected. For some reason I though all the One series did this...mah bad!
I have been running a light case on my phone but have considered taking it off as I never seem to drop it.
Those of you without a case on your phone,
what condition is it in now?
Have you dropped it? How did it respond?
Thanks!!
Only had mine for a few days, but it's in marvelous condition. The screen doesn't seem to hold onto fingerprints at all.
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Been without a case for 2 months, dropped once, edges are scratched but looks perfect.
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I've had mine naked since christmas and it's in perfect condition besides a small hair line scrath on the screen i have the black one and it's a finger print magnet.
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I've had mine naked since christmas and it's in perfect condition besides a small hair line scrath on the screen i have the black one and it's a finger print magnet.
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Really? The only part on mine getting prints like crazy is the back. My screen doesn't for some reason.
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I've gone case-less since I got mine on launch day, and cosmetically never had a single problem. A couple of months ago though I dropped it on a tile floor, and even though the screen or body didn't crack it wouldn't power back on, so something internal must have been damaged. I was able to use my insurance to get a replacement, but I'm not sure having a case on it other than something with some shock protection like an otter box would have helped anyway.
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Really? The only part on mine getting prints like crazy is the back. My screen doesn't for some reason.
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Yeah the screens not really an issue it's just the back, the blacks the worst for finger prints though
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I have been running a light case on my phone but have considered taking it off as I never seem to drop it.
Those of you without a case on your phone,
what condition is it in now?
Have you dropped it? How did it respond?
Thanks!!
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You know Murphy's Law...once you take the case off you will drop hard on the concrete....
This phone is waaaay to weak to be naked... I've broken my screen so many times from knee height drops.. one including being dropped on carpet. My old VIVOW was a lot stronger....
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I don't have a case I never liked them. I have cracked the screen on my old s3 though, happened to hit the metal strip that separates the room..Other than that I have a right pocket only rule and I make sure i NEVER put it on my lap when driving.
Been using my s3 without a case since the day it came out. Couple nicks around the metallic edge but otherwise in perfect condition. I don't really have a habit of dropping phones though.
Majority of my drops are because of my son.... when I drop it myself I get the ninja/football player move of catching it and nearly kicking it through a field goal...but I like to think I am the worst draft pick ever because I usually catch it with my foot and it goes nowhere.
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I've had my phone naked for about 5 months and I only have a few light scratches on the back, that are not noticeable without really looking for them.
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I've had mine since launch and dropped it once on a concrete floor at work and a few times at the house. The only drop that caused any damage was the one at work and it barely scuffed the corner of the metal trim. So little it took me a minute to find it.
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i too have had mine since launch and am using a Ringke "SLIM-Lite" case...no screen protector.
device is flawless!
no scratches, scuffs, or any other blemishes.
I have been using a rokform rokbed v3 S3 case just for the mount and the phone is in good condition. no screen scratches. the case has a tendency to scratch the battery cover so i got a replacement to use with the case. not easy to find the black verizon S3 battery covers so that is sitting in the box the phone came in.
I also have a rokform v3 (awesome case) on mine since I saw a drop test on YouTube. There is no way I would feel safe without it.
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no case ever
i only have a screen protector on my phone. I avoid cases for phones because I keep my phone in my pocket and I don't like the size of the phone with a case on. This may not be the best idea because I am also quite clumsy but I really do like the thin sleek phone with no case. In any case, I must say that I am quite impressed with this phone. I've had it for about 5 months and have dropped it somewhere between 10-15 times. It is usually just a small drop but I have definitely dropped it out of my coat while taking the coat off and out of the car when getting out multiple times and only have a few small scratches on the back. There has been no damage to the screen at all. So to anyone that is scared of removing the case, my advice is to enjoy the design of the phone and not worry about the back. After all, a replacement for the back cover is cheaper then many of the cases out there.
I run mine naked about half the time, in a tpu case the rest of the time. I have two very small nicks in the silver trim around the sides, and a little scuff on the home button. I've had the phone since a few days before launch, though I did replace the battery cover recently because I broke it taking it off one time. Always have an SGP Ultra Nano screen protector though.
I'd say most people should have no problem running with no case, but it may not be the best idea. I love the feel of the naked phone and frequently use it like that, but I have dropped it from about waist height a few times onto hardwood floors or low carpet.
The phone feels nice enough that you do keep a firm grip on it and treat it like your precious, and if you're careful to keep your pocket empty you won't scratch it there. But because it's so slick, it can slip out of your pocket when sitting, or off of a surface you've set it on. Plus if you have anything else in your hand, it's easy to forget to keep a firm grip on the phone.
I've now got a Cruzerlite tpu case that looks and feels awesome, and like any tpu case removes in seconds with no wear. The material provides a great deal of protection for its minimal bulk, I've accidentally thrown my old Droid RAZR onto asphalt and concrete on separate occasions with just a slim tpu case with no harm done. Recently, I've been carrying with that case for peace of mind, and taking it off on occasion to use it, or if I'm at something rather formal.
But I see no need for something more than tpu, like an Otterbox, for the average person. If you're particularly clumsy, if you frequently skate, run, bike, 4 wheel, hunt, etc with it, or have a fairly physical profession I can see it, but for the rest of us it's overkill.
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faehsemc said:
Majority of my drops are because of my son.... when I drop it myself I get the ninja/football player move of catching it and nearly kicking it through a field goal...but I like to think I am the worst draft pick ever because I usually catch it with my foot and it goes nowhere.
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You could be Mr. Irrelevant!
I love the feel of the rubberized matte material on the black phone but feel like it'll succumb to peeling like how my Logitech MX mice have succumbed to over time.
The charging port already has scratches on it from me trying to plug in a charger without guiding it in delicately already, and this made me wonder.
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I love the feel of the rubberized matte material on the black phone but feel like it'll succumb to peeling like how my Logitech MX mice have succumbed to over time.
The charging port already has scratches on it from me trying to plug in a charger without guiding it in delicately already, and this made me wonder.
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Not so worried about peeling, more that the finish will wear down and go 'shinney' like my old HTC One X.
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Not so worried about peeling, more that the finish will wear down and go 'shinney' like my old HTC One X.
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That's the reason I went for the white one, my One X went shiny as well and I didn't want to run the risk again.
I've wondered if it's going to start outright peeling like the coatings on the Cr-48 Chromebooks. I've been waiting for the thread, and in the mean time, been babying my n5.
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I love the feel of the rubberized matte material on the black phone but feel like it'll succumb to peeling like how my Logitech MX mice have succumbed to over time.
The charging port already has scratches on it from me trying to plug in a charger without guiding it in delicately already, and this made me wonder.
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I originally bought a black 32gb N5, but after playing with it for about 30s it felt like it wasn't going to last very long. The last pocketable item I had with soft touch plastic was an MP3 player that ended up looking like a severe burns victim after about 6 months with the coating peeling off. I returned the black one and now waiting for my white one to come in lol
I think at that point if it does get bad than just get one of those ultra thin TPU cases or hard shell cases and cover it up. I was thinking about putting one on now to try and avoid scratching the back but thought to myself, it is just a phone and is meant to be used, so just use it and not worry about scratching the back!! Especially with how nice the back and sides of the N5 feel, be a shame to not use it. Don't get me wrong, I have a screen protector on it but I am starting to wonder why I am so worried about scratching the back, its the back of the phone after all...
I also read that the back of the phone is just held on with tabs and maybe a little bit of glue, we may be able to buy a replacement back for our phones and if so then there is zero reason to worry about the back.
I actually think it'll be alright. Maybe the black one will go, but the white one feels less rubbery for lack of better words. I honestly think it'll stay the same.
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I've wondered if it's going to start outright peeling like the coatings on the Cr-48 Chromebooks. I've been waiting for the thread, and in the mean time, been babying my n5.
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I had a cr-48 to that peeled like crazy. My first worry about this phone is that it will peel as well but I got a case now, so hopefully it will be okay.
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I have a feeling it will as the same material peeled on a mouse I had before. So I got a case with the phone!
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Same coating as on my Razer Deathadder mouse. That has held up well after years of use except for where i used to wear a ring. On that spot the coating wore away.
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That's the reason I went for the white one, my One X went shiny as well and I didn't want to run the risk again.
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My HTC One X was white and still had the same problem. I'm loving the build quality so here's hoping the finish will last a little longer. Also realised my spelling for shiny was was off lol.
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My HTC One X was white and still had the same problem. I'm loving the build quality so here's hoping the finish will last a little longer. Also realised my spelling for shiny was was off lol.
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The white finish on the n5 is very different than the black, where the one x white and black finish are the same. (I think..)
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Sorry to bump an old thread... Just wondering how the black soft touch finishes are holding up on peoples phones after 1 year?
You can buy new back covers from eBay
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Sorry to bump an old thread... Just wondering how the black soft touch finishes are holding up on peoples phones after 1 year?
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OP here, mine has held up real well. No fading or peeling at all. The only issues are the inserts for the NEXUS letters falling out and the cracking of the side frame.
Do you use a case or pouch with your phone at all?
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OP here, mine has held up real well. No fading or peeling at all. The only issues are the inserts for the NEXUS letters falling out and the cracking of the side frame.
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The coating has rubbed off on the corners on mine. Only the edges of the back is exposed as I have a vinyl skin on. The only wear I put my phone through that would cause that is putting it in and taking it out of my pocket.
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Do you use a case or pouch with your phone at all?
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i do use a case but i use Lysol wipes 3 days of the week to wipe it clean after work.
So I lost my phone out of my pocket while riding my bike. Sprinting approx 40km up a hill. It jumped out, hit the road. And slid into the bushes. Front of the phone looks new back has some pretty bad scratches. But everything is pretty much fine. No dents no marks on screen. Was in a dot view case. A few scratches on the case and they instantly separated when impacting the ground, which kind of sucked.
That's funny because this feels like the most fragile android I've owned in 5 years. Mainly because my first one lived in my pocket but the camera still managed to get scratched to the point to where it was hard to find a spot on it that wasn't scratched. Now I don't feel comfortable carrying my phone at work. I carried my s4 everywhere with me for a year and not one scratch on the camera lens. This is my first phone with a screen protector on the camera lens.
That is why I have an otter box and a really expensive, tough screen protector. If you're planning on biking with your phone loose in your pocket, you may want to invest in those also!
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ya the dot view case is cool but hardly serves the purpose of an actual case.
Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.
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Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.
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Right, because you've never dropped anything in your life.
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Should be a criminal offense to use a case for this phone.
Try and get a pair of arms not growing out of one's behind so the droppage is minimized.
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Cases actually assist this phone in other ways than just protection. For one, they make the touchscreen less susceptible to undesired palm touches when using it one handed, and can hide the loose volume rocker issue many people have.
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Right, because you've never dropped anything in your life.
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I said criminal prosecution! Also, cruel and unusual!
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I said criminal prosecution! Also, cruel and unusual!
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The trick is to get a clear case. That's what I did. Didn't want to cover up all that arctic silvery goodness. :good:
Oh, that and not to drop it....
I would suggest getting a case like this for biking.
Hyperion M8 Case
The phone is no longer slippery and won't fly out of your pocket.
I use it for mountain biking and it stays put no matter where I put the phone (shorts pocket, back of jersey, etc.)
Leondreux said:
That is why I have an otter box and a really expensive, tough screen protector. If you're planning on biking with your phone loose in your pocket, you may want to invest in those also!
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It's just fine to spend money for your phone's protection. This is one of the nicest phones.
jsminnis said:
That's funny because this feels like the most fragile android I've owned in 5 years. Mainly because my first one lived in my pocket but the camera still managed to get scratched to the point to where it was hard to find a spot on it that wasn't scratched. Now I don't feel comfortable carrying my phone at work. I carried my s4 everywhere with me for a year and not one scratch on the camera lens. This is my first phone with a screen protector on the camera lens.
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I agree on the camera screen. Mine has a couple scratches as well. Never had any other phone do that. However the rest of the phone is scratch free which is even more strange. What protector are you using on the camera screen? I think I'm going to get HTC to fix it then apply a protector to it.
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No scratches on any of my lenses... And this phone goes through my daughter. Oo
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It feel out of my sweater's pocket right onto the blacktop as I was getting out of my car. Minor scratches on top left and bottom right on the back side. Oh well. I'll have to be more careful.
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termleech said:
I agree on the camera screen. Mine has a couple scratches as well. Never had any other phone do that. However the rest of the phone is scratch free which is even more strange. What protector are you using on the camera screen? I think I'm going to get HTC to fix it then apply a protector to it.
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I thought I had a ton of scratches on my lens,I would wipe it off with a soft cloth and they wouldn't wipe off. Well today while sitting bored I just took my sleeve and rubbed with some pressure for a good 5 minutes. All those marks that looked like scratches all came of . Might try some alcohol on a qtip when I get home.
going back to the original op issue. I use the dot case when not biking and I use a otter box defender case mounted to the handle bars when riding. So far the otter box works very nice and does not come off on the bike ride. It takes around a minute to put the phone in the case every ride, but nothing to long.
one added bonus about the mounted otter box and m8. When listing to a talk podcast I sometimes do not use headphones, the speakers are plenty loud.