Is there a way to move application to SD card on infinity?
Obviously, my intention here is NOT because I need more space, but I am thinking/hypothesizing improved speed of the system with moving browser or other application to the SD card based on http://www.xda-developers.com/android/potential-io-bottleneck-fix-for-the-transformer-prime/ .
I do have Browser2Ram installed, and feel like its helping but not quite the speed I have seen on Galaxy Note 10.1. Also I there are couple other applications I wonder if moving to SD card would help.
Perhaps this is such an obvious thing and may not even work at all, therefore, noone here talks about... But I simply could not find any active topic regarding to this. So I am checking.
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Okay XDA tenured- please be gentle. I ve searched, but can not find specific answers to my questions. I ordered a 16gb class 6 (currently have class 2), but would appreciate information before making the changes.
1.) Is it possible to leave current apps on the device memory, then set up for apps to SD and then future apps will go to the card?
2) Based on question 1) if it works, when I update future apps on the device, I am guessing they would then uninstall from the device and then install to card?
3) Would it be best for performance to leave all cache on the device memory? Seems like the system would be faster then.
4) What is the meg space difference leaving all cache or moving it?
5) When changing over to apps to SD, is it not kind of like the same constrained system as an iPhone (Plenty of intitial space, but no ability for external storage)? Point being, if all the apps are on the card and you want to listen to or view media on a seperate card, you would not be able to, since the apps are on the "device" card. This is the whole point to my first question. Unless you can copy the app directory path on the card to another card and use as is- just like the card already installed too...
1: Yes, if you follow my tutorial, it has you copy the existing apps to the sd card and if you use my app, the checkbox tells it to do that as well.
2: No apps will be on your device. There's no way to have a hybrid here, it's either all apps on the sd card or none(not actually true but would be a pain in the ass to make symlinks for each app individually and I don't know of anyone who cared enough to actually try it)
3: I have all apps and caches on the sd card and it is running just as smoothly as normal(and with a class 2 sd card!) There might be some slowdown but it's imperceptible to me.
4: With the cache on device it'll vary depending on what apps you have and how often you use them. With everything moved the memory on the device seems to stay permanently at 72-73MB. That said, moving the normal cache(dalvik-cache seems to be ok) is pretty unstable and I wouldn't suggest it unless you really know what you're doing.
5: Yes, unfortunately this whole process relies on the system not knowing the apps are on the sd card so it's pretty strongly tied to one. That said, you could probably get away with different sd cards as long as they also have an ext2 partition with the app, app-private, etc. directories in it. You'd probably have to reboot when switching sd cards but it should be possible(interestingly you could use this to get different settings depending on what sd card you have in)
Thanks!
So basically we have an iPhone in regards to being stuck to device memory and no option for external storage beyond what is on the card.
I guess there are pros and cons to either set-up. App hounds would prefer apps2sd and media hounds may prefer leaving things alone.
If you are an app and media hound, you are kind of stuck juggling media from the card.
Yep. Although as I was talking about, you could theoretically move each app independently and set up symlinks in the /data/app directory for each app, pointing to where it is on the sd card and leave the ones you want on the phone as they are, but that doesn't sound particularly fun.
I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
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marvin
You want Apps2SD. Unfortunately, unless something has changed recently, you can't use it on your TF.
www.transformerforums.com/forum/asus-transformer-help/3514-tf-not-letting-me-move-apps-sd-save-things-sd.html#post27629
mncessna said:
I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
thanks...
marvin
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I'd probably try searching for "Move apps to SD" if I was searching for that topic(I know it's hard to figure out the right search terms sometimes, but by posting in Q&A, you've at least posted a fair question in the right place), here's my answer in two parts:
1. I don't think Apps2SD would work with the Dock SD slot.
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
thanks...you've given me food for thought
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
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there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
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now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
mncessna said:
there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
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Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO. Apps2SD is for people who run out of internal space and need MORE room for apps. If you are pushing 12gb (the ballpark usable space on the internal memory of the TF) of apps, you need to get back into the work force. You're better off trying to keep large data files on the removable drive first, even if it means just relocating them every once in a while.
The bottom line is, the way the Transformer treats the built-in memory as an SD card is going to be an issue when trying to use an external card for Apps2SD (which I still haven't heard of anybody succeeding at), but you may be able to set your default download folder to the removable card. If you're dealing with a browser, it would depend on which one. If you're doing your own file transfers, just get a file manager that allows you to set your "home" directory and point it to the /Removable/MicroSD directory.
SilverZero said:
Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO.
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Even on hard drive it's most of the time not worth the effort. On SSD just forget about fragmentation.
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
fragmentation causes delays
finalhit said:
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
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a disk read consists of a seek op to place the read head over the correct cylinder, then rotational delay while the correct sector rotates under the head, then a data read, and then a transfer to core memory. when a file is fragmented, this operation is repeated multiple times in order to read the entire file into memory. disk drives are pretty fast these days, but they are still the slowest part of most modern computers. cpus and memory are very fast, but disk drives slow things up, therefore, adding to io delays with fragmented files is a real performance hit.
however, i have no data on how fragmentation affects flash memory...perhaps not at all?!.
thanks to all for inputs.
Here's one perspective on flash fragmentation:
www.wizcode.com/articles/comments/flash_memory_fragmentation_myths_and_facts/
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Gt-8013, 16gb white. So I've had my note since the end of September and have not really used it much till recently. Downloading large games/apps and coming to realize that I can't move ANYTHING to the SD card what a shame. Now before people just comment and say why didn't you buy a 32gb I thought that I could move the apps to the SD card and managing storage wouldn't be a problem. How wrong was I. So my first thread and I'm asking what have you guys done to solve this annoying problem no matter how easy or hard the method was.Yes, I've searched the threads and I've read a lot of options but I just feel like none of them are Noob friendly.
TIL : What was the easiest method for you to move apps to your SD card?
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I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Gt-8013, 16gb white. So I've had my note since the end of September and have not really used it much till recently. Downloading large games/apps and coming to realize that I can't move ANYTHING to the SD card what a shame. Now before people just comment and say why didn't you buy a 32gb I thought that I could move the apps to the SD card and managing storage wouldn't be a problem. How wrong was I. So my first thread and I'm asking what have you guys done to solve this annoying problem no matter how easy or hard the method was.Yes, I've searched the threads and I've read a lot of options but I just feel like none of them are Noob friendly.
TIL : What was the easiest method for you to move apps to your SD card?
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Check my thread (one on my signature). Haven't been able to get it working for every android device yet, but it works great for anything with data/media, which includes the note 10.1 Essentially my script makes all apps (and apps only) get installed straight in the external SD. One warning: the process is more advanced than just flashing something in recovery, though not too advanced that You won't be able to do if you follow instructions.
Personally I use directory bind, this requires root. Directory bind will allow you to specify exactly which folders you want to redirect to sd. I currently redirect all my game data to sd, leave plenty of room on internal storage.
The other bonus, since my game data is on sd if I have to wipe I won't have to download all those gigs of data again.
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I dont know why more developers dont give you the option to store large data on the external card. Bards Tale came out and initially stored all data internal (3-4Gb), couple of updates later and it gives you the option to store externally so more developers need to cotton on to this and sort their apps out !
i use zedomax's apps2sd script to swap storage
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Check my thread (one on my signature). Haven't been able to get it working for every android device yet, but it works great for anything with data/media, which includes the note 10.1 Essentially my script makes all apps (and apps only) get installed straight in the external SD. One warning: the process is more advanced than just flashing something in recovery, though not too advanced that You won't be able to do if you follow instructions.
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Will do so, I take it that i have to be rooted for me to apply your script. (sorry for the noob question)
Also, like to thank everyone for help/answers. I wouldn't be able to do half the stuff with out this community. :good:
please help me, i have a 32 GB card installed on my galaxy tab 2 wifi only, and i can't even install the apps on the memory card, and my tab slows down after a while of usage.
please help/advise me....
For moving apps to sd card you will need an app like app2sd, but I don't really recommend using it, as it requires an ext partition. A better way if freeing up space on internal sd is using FolderMount, you can find it here, on xda. Of course you need root for it to work.
As for your other problem, there might be a number of reasons. If your on stock firmware, you can try some apps or modifications, there are many threads concerning optimalization, debloating and so on. For a start you can use Seeder or Crossbreader, many users claim that feeding entropy reduces lags even in long runs of the device.
Also, you can try reflashing your firmware, or trying a different one. I use CM10.1 and it has great performance.
Some users also claim, that using a slow (low class) sd card can cause lag and slow the device.
Every piece of information I've given you is easilly searchable (there are like a few dozens of threads about moving apps to sd, and scripts for swapping internal with external), so next time you have a problem please abide to xda rules and make some research before you start a new thread.
Hi!!
Yes, I know it's a well know issue... but so many info about it and so old, that I can't know if still working.
Note GT 8010 (unrooted)
Android 4.1.2
16gb internal
Do i Want to root? Yes. (apparently there is no other way on this tablet / os)
That will work? That is what I don't know.
Read about a script to swap the sd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857391
But honestly, I searched outside the web and that scripts caused many problem that makes me doubt about it.
The android doesn't show even the grey box with "move to SD". I think it was stollen by Samsung (damn on you Samsung xD)
The tablet now belongs to my son, and he plays lot of games.. So, need to move at least some of them to the External card.
I will appreciate any advice or comment.
Thanks!
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