Loading pictures from internal memory takes forever, but loading from my sd card in the dock is lightning fast.
Is there a reason for this?
Any work around to allow files to load from internal memory faster?
Thanks
erik111111 said:
Loading pictures from internal memory takes forever, but loading from my sd card in the dock is lightning fast.
Is there a reason for this?
Any work around to allow files to load from internal memory faster?
Thanks
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It seems to be a hardware related throughput limitation which can be mitigated somewhat with software fixes. The ZEUS ROM v4.0 has really speeded up my Infinity overall, but it's not a miracle-worker. My suggestion is to use your sdcard in the dock for saving large files (movies, pictures, etc) and benefit from the greater speed you get with it.
It's great that the Infinity is able to use the full size sdcard and usb natively. Might as well make full use of them.
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Hello everyone I'm just wondering what is "better?" To install applications to the MicroSD or to the internal memory? I mean, for example, if it's an application that I rarely use, I'm sure everyone will say "MicroSD" but if it's an application that's constantly in use? What is better? Or does it not make a difference? Does it eat up a lot of memory constantly writing to the micro SD? or does it not make a difference in that sense either?
Do most people install to Micro or Internal Memory?
zkyevolved said:
Does it eat up a lot of memory constantly writing to the micro SD?
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Nope. However, older firmwares may consume a lot (about 5-6M, as opposed to better-optimzied ones with only 500k-1M) of additional RAM memory with the card in. I recommend my previous storage- and firmware updaterelated articles; I've answered all your questions in them.
Add the poll question "Equally Both" as I split mine between them. There are Apps I have found the run better on main and the ones that don't matter, I put on Memory card.
mchapman007 said:
Add the poll question "Equally Both" as I split mine between them. There are Apps I have found the run better on main and the ones that don't matter, I put on Memory card.
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Likewise. In fact, there are some applications that tell you during installation that it would be better to install them on the device's main memory.
Sure! How do I change the poll ?
I have read that HTC Diamond isn't having Memory Card Slot...It's really very disappointing.
12ka4 said:
I have read that HTC Diamond isn't having Memory Card Slot...It's really very disappointing.
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... and this is relevant to the thread how?
i like storing most of my apps on memory card as i don't like using system memory not unless a app doesn't work right from sd card.
Like most, I put everything on the memory card unless the developer specifically states that it should be installed in main memory.
If it's a program that runs all the time, such as a today plugin, then it would be prudent to install it on internal memory to avoid problems. Everything else can go on the storage card.
I'm going to disagree with the majority here (as usual...)
I think you should you use as much of the internal memory that is available as possible. Why? First, it is faster to read/write to flash ROM than to MicroSD (flash also). Second, I believe it uses less power. Third, IS THERE AND CAN"T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE! (just like my 401K). I know in ancient times, when I loved my iPaq 2210, you only had RAM memory for both programs to run and storage of files. Then you could adjust a slider to assign or reserve more space either way. But, AFAIK, in my Hermes, they are two physically different memory locations, so why don't use the storage memory? Of course, there should be some free storage memory always available for temp files and other stuff that changes over time.
Anyway, just my opinion.
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Second, I believe it uses less power.
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That's exactly what I'd like to know. Is the power usage to R/W onto the SD disk that much higher? Or is it insignificantly low? Also, I agree, a program that CONSTATLY uses the memory card to read / write would MOST LIKELY use more power than installed on the main memory.
With Froyo, will I be able to save and copy apps to the 13GB internal sd card in the phone, or will it only be to an external sd card.
Thanks in advance
logicrulez said:
With Froyo, will I be able to save and copy apps to the 13GB internal sd card in the phone, or will it only be to an external sd card.
Thanks in advance
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You should be able to, but why would you want to? I've got like 160 apps installed most of them high end games (asphalt, assassins creed, home run battle ect.) And I'm only using like 25% of the 2 gigs.
I'm thinking with all my apps, music and video on the internal sd card and off of my phone, my phone should run a little faster.
Ah I see, it might make it slower actually because if you move your apps to the mass media side of the internal memory that side runs at a slower speed so you may have more lag when you load apps. That's why all the lag fixes now don't run off the external SD cards, they are all working inside the super fast 2 gigs where the system resides. Also SSD memory isn't effected by having a near full drive like a normal spindle drive is , it will run just as fast at 90% as it does at 5% where a normal spindle drive would be hurting some at 90%. Hopes that helps clear it up a little
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Ah I see, it might make it slower actually because if you move your apps to the mass media side of the internal memory that side runs at a slower speed so you may have more lag when you load apps. That's why all the lag fixes now don't run off the external SD cards, they are all working inside the super fast 2 gigs where the system resides. Also SSD memory isn't effected by having a near full drive like a normal spindle drive is , it will run just as fast at 90% as it does at 5% where a normal spindle drive would be hurting some at 90%. Hopes that helps clear it up a little
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Thanks, so it seems that At&t really did us Captivate owners right in a sense.
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Thanks, so it seems that At&t really did us Captivate owners right in a sense.
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Yea, they had the right idea. The reason the lag fixes work so good is because when they make the captivate they use a really slow file system for the 2 gigs the file system sits on (Still faster than the mass storage part but no where near where it should be). What the lag fix does it it greats a brand new really fast file system format on that 2 gigs (It's called ext2 or ext4) and moves all the system data there which speeds it up by a ton.
I don't have space issues so far on my internal memery (only 1/2 used with no apps on the SD card).
But curious to find out if its acutally better to move the apps to the SD card since its a Class 10? Or will moving to SD slow down stuff in general regardless?
Anyone with any ideas?
Loving the Class 10 for quick copying of music and especially movies from my PC though!
Good question. I might be interested in your answers on it as I moved a few softwares on my Kingston SD card (class 10) and haven't seen much difference in terms of speed
Anyone with any info? People familiar with Android I/O stuff?
usually i will move games to SD Card but important apps related to system and network like keyboard, battery, SMS apps on the internal memory.
Anyway, I just realised today that after I moved my Angry Birds to SD Card, the shortcut icon on the home screen cannot be loaded. Anyone has this issue as well?
giggss said:
usually i will move games to SD Card but important apps related to system and network like keyboard, battery, SMS apps on the internal memory.
Anyway, I just realised today that after I moved my Angry Birds to SD Card, the shortcut icon on the home screen cannot be loaded. Anyone has this issue as well?
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change scene to something else, than back to normal. usual sense ui error with icons
giggss said:
usually i will move games to SD Card but important apps related to system and network like keyboard, battery, SMS apps on the internal memory.
Anyway, I just realised today that after I moved my Angry Birds to SD Card, the shortcut icon on the home screen cannot be loaded. Anyone has this issue as well?
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thats the key, all important apps should stay internal, especially if your SD funks up.
plus its MUCH quicker from internal, even if its a class 10..
im using an kingston 8gb C10 as a secondary, and media and thumbnails are blazing fast...no speed tests yet, didnt really care that much, but ill post if i get the chance
r3v0Lut10n said:
change scene to something else, than back to normal. usual sense ui error with icons
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Thanks! But aren't them going to fix this irritating sense ? Sigh, I still prefer non-sense..
How can I see how much memory is allocated to move programs to on SD card?
I like to have my programs on SD card (I think it can only influence the loading time when a program is started, after that it wil remain in main memory). But after some programs I got the message 'no more memory available' altough there is stil 2,5GB free on the SD card.
Does it mean that android allocates a part, if so how much and is it expandable?
thx
I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
thanks...
marvin
You want Apps2SD. Unfortunately, unless something has changed recently, you can't use it on your TF.
www.transformerforums.com/forum/asus-transformer-help/3514-tf-not-letting-me-move-apps-sd-save-things-sd.html#post27629
mncessna said:
I'd like to search this forum for help, but am uneducated enough on the internals of the android OS that I'm not sure what to search for.
i'll ask my question expecting an answer on either (1) how to search for such information in the future, or (2) how to solve the issue.
I installed a 16GB class 10 SD card in my transformer keyboard and would like to edit the appropriate config files so that all future software installs and downloads are on that storage card rather than the internal 16GB memory. So my question is what files do i edit to accomplish this?
thanks...
marvin
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I'd probably try searching for "Move apps to SD" if I was searching for that topic(I know it's hard to figure out the right search terms sometimes, but by posting in Q&A, you've at least posted a fair question in the right place), here's my answer in two parts:
1. I don't think Apps2SD would work with the Dock SD slot.
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
thanks...you've given me food for thought
2. You have the entire 16/32GB internal storage shared between apps and the /sdcard mount. Is that really not enough space?
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there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
Also, the internal storage is faster than a Class 10 card, so there will be a performance hit running from SD.
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now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
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there's never enough space!! I've always attempted to offload temp files, downloads, and various other files from the same partition as the OS. prevents excessive fragmentation etc. i'm assuming this would still be an issue even with non-spinning storage, maybe it isn't?
now that's an interesting comment. i thought Class 10 was the fastest AND that internal storage on the transformer was the same technology. Hmmm.....more research for me.
thanks for the information and advice.
marvin
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Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO. Apps2SD is for people who run out of internal space and need MORE room for apps. If you are pushing 12gb (the ballpark usable space on the internal memory of the TF) of apps, you need to get back into the work force. You're better off trying to keep large data files on the removable drive first, even if it means just relocating them every once in a while.
The bottom line is, the way the Transformer treats the built-in memory as an SD card is going to be an issue when trying to use an external card for Apps2SD (which I still haven't heard of anybody succeeding at), but you may be able to set your default download folder to the removable card. If you're dealing with a browser, it would depend on which one. If you're doing your own file transfers, just get a file manager that allows you to set your "home" directory and point it to the /Removable/MicroSD directory.
SilverZero said:
Theoretically, fragmentation can slow a flash drive down, but I've never known anybody to notice the difference or to bother with defragmenting regularly on a flash device. Maybe somebody here is into that, but it's just not practical IMHO.
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Even on hard drive it's most of the time not worth the effort. On SSD just forget about fragmentation.
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
fragmentation causes delays
finalhit said:
i thought the reason fragmentation is a performance hit for HDDs is due to the fact it has to spin to get to the rest of the file.
SSD does not need anything like that.
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a disk read consists of a seek op to place the read head over the correct cylinder, then rotational delay while the correct sector rotates under the head, then a data read, and then a transfer to core memory. when a file is fragmented, this operation is repeated multiple times in order to read the entire file into memory. disk drives are pretty fast these days, but they are still the slowest part of most modern computers. cpus and memory are very fast, but disk drives slow things up, therefore, adding to io delays with fragmented files is a real performance hit.
however, i have no data on how fragmentation affects flash memory...perhaps not at all?!.
thanks to all for inputs.
Here's one perspective on flash fragmentation:
www.wizcode.com/articles/comments/flash_memory_fragmentation_myths_and_facts/
So is there any usable phone storage on the sidekick instead of using just the memory card?
I guess I read online theres only 135mb of internal space. That sucks compared to the vibrant. Oh well.
Yes, it fills up pretty fast, then you have to weed out the less important apps to make room for the important ones! I wish there was a way to "merge" removable (SD) storage with internal (Phone) storage.
Also a few apps can be optionally moved to the SD card but will lose Widget capabilities.
And it is amazing how many apps are NOT movable to the SD even though there is no reason (widgets, etc.) to have them on internal storage (example: Zippo Lighter).
If you go with a light rom you can get a lot back, gcV2 leaves 380mb for use.
sent from my....WAIT THIS ISNT MY PHONE?