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These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.
I thought the topic was taken down.
Edit: Nevermind, the topic is still there. Imo though, I think it should be taken down and only progress be shown. Might prevent the massive amounts of bricking and general failure to read directions.
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Its actually pretty stable and works great long as you read step by step.
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Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.
41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.
41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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miahsoul said:
I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.
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Tough luck brah.
Flashed Andromeda 1.0 for my first ROM. Worked like a charm.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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People are people and
It's Gingerbread!!
Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.
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Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.
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And exactly what is in Gingerbread that makes salivating fools out of so many?
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Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.
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Yeah, but too many of those people are ending up in here looking for help when it goes bad. It just takes up space and energy better used to solve issues with actual working ROMs. Let the Devs do the development work that they're so good at.
Probably because CM is a big name dev and people think it'll be superior to what they're currently using, oh, and like it was said earlier, Gingerbread... I don't see what the huge fuss is about with Gingerbread, nothing huge has changed from Froyo and Ice Cream is already in development so I think Gingerbread will turn out to be like the early 2.0 Eclair build, something to skip over until a big update is available.
CM isn't what it used to be back in its hayday with the G1/Dream and MT3G/Magic, so I'm not sure what people are expecting... Nothing against the CM team of course, the entire team does great work even if the releases are taking a really long time compared to before.
I'll be waiting it out, if I get an official Gingerbread update for either of my phones, I'll do them, otherwise I'm going to wait for the next big update which is actually worth installing... But I agree, there seems to be a huge deal about a simple update for no apparent reason at all, Its not like the Eclair > Froyo update which improved performance by a good margin, so really, there isn't much to gain by installing Gingerbread other than a few UI improvements (which most of us won't see anyways since we all use 3rd party launchers).
Here's a perfect example of how dangerous this place can be sometimes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11894653&postcount=8
She just joined, just got a Captivate and already she's asking about flashing CM7. Apparently, none of the warnings were enough, she's willing to take the advice of absolute strangers, some who are willing to push her onward.
It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones
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These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.
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I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
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It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones
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And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.
If people refuse to heed warnings, its their own fault.
As for Gingerbread, I can't speak for the others, but I want SIP support.
JVM improvements
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.
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I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.
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Yes, that cursed crt animation. Was drooling over it on preview vid.
The risk of bricking my everyday phone w/o a jig prevents me from doing so.
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
bravomail said:
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.
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There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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True, but while every ROM has its share of issues, I see more posts from people who tried to flash CM7 and had it go horribly wrong than any other. It is a completely different animal as far as flashing goes.
so i got bored and tried flashing a samsung galaxy s 4g leaked 2.3.4 rom... i did it thru odin everything went fine after it got done flashing, sound booted up but screen did not turn on for me... i tried taking the battery out and turning it back on... nothing but the sound coming on, then i tried going into download mode it wouldnt let me. so i guess i bricked it. but anyways went to tmobile got a new sidekick. so my question is if im able to flash thru odin successfully and the boot sound comes on, is it possible to flash a samsung galaxy s 4g rom if a dev put some work into it?
It shoulb be possible but first the would have to still get a. Ginger kernel that works with our hardware
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Odin flashing is nothing but a special way of writing data to the flash memory on the phone. It in no way means the software being flash works on the platform it was copied to.
just because the sound driver works, doesn't mean that anything that actually matters would work.
You could use JIG to force it into download
2.6.35 kernel source for Galaxy S Series phones was released by Samsung. So someone good enough to do it should be able to now. Its just finding a developer good enough to do it.
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Although it's technically possible, our phone has entirely different modules and drivers from every other Galaxy S phone. So although yes, there is technically a source for the Galaxy S, there's no source for our specific phone.
Shouldnt matter. The Dream and Sapphire didnt. They were never meant to have GB. Same with some other phones. It needs build for our phones using those sources.
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The dream and sapphire have a team of the best devs that exist on Android, including Cyan himself. Half of those devs work for HTC or Samsung. Building the general Galaxy s source for our phone wouldn't even boot correctly, as it wouldn't have any drivers to make any of the hardware work.
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The dream and sapphire have a team of the best devs that exist on Android, including Cyan himself. Half of those devs work for HTC or Samsung. Building the general Galaxy s source for our phone wouldn't even boot correctly, as it wouldn't have any drivers to make any of the hardware work.
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They do have the best developers. Cyanogen is not one of them anymore. And hasn't been in quite a while. None of them work for any companys like that except for Cyanogen. I didn't say to just build the source. I said to use the source to tweak and build for the sidekick. It can be done. I wish I could do it.
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There's a reason that there's no CM7 on the Dream/Sapphire, and that's because CM quit developing for it. there's plenty of them that work for companies. the hardware changes for the sidekick require much more than just minimal tweaks, that would require essentially rewriting drivers to be a part of a new kernel.
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There's a reason that there's no CM7 on the Dream/Sapphire, and that's because CM quit developing for it. there's plenty of them that work for companies. the hardware changes for the sidekick require much more than just minimal tweaks, that would require essentially rewriting drivers to be a part of a new kernel.
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There is CM 7.1 for the Dream/Sapphire because me and a few others have built it. Cyanogen only quit developing for it officially. And i didnt say minimal tweaks. I said tweak. I understand its a lot of work thats why i said we need some developers here good enough and willing to do it.
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Then go find some. If you're not going to appreciate the devs who are here, who try their best to work on this phone, then do it yourself. If you can't do it, then find other devs, or be grateful for the time we put into our work on this phone, rather than constantly telling us that we are inadequate.
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Then go find some. If you're not going to appreciate the devs who are here, who try their best to work on this phone, then do it yourself. If you can't do it, then find other devs, or be grateful for the time we put into our work on this phone, rather than constantly telling us that we are inadequate.
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Never once did i say you guys were inadequate. I appreciate your guys work. I was just saying we need a developer that knows how to bring us CM. No reason to get mean. I never said the roms here were bad. We need these roms. A variety is good. Not everyone wants CM. But some do. How did you take anything i said as being directed to you? And if you want to be truthful. You guys are constantly taking shots at revolutions work. So calm down just a bit. We all appreciate the work you do. And if i could bring CM to the Sidekick, trust me, i would. And also trust that i have been trying to find other devs to bring CM to the Sidekick.
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I work with Revolution on things that he needs help with, I haven't been taking shots at him. Some do, but I don't. My apologies if it was misplaced, I guess I had lumped you in with all the kids who were so used to having CM that they expected it to be done within a month of the phone release, and got super upset when it wasn't done, my bad.
If nothing else, this has made me want to try porting the kernel again, I'm gonna give it another shot, to see if I can come up with another way to do it. We'll see what happens, once again, my bad, I'm sorry.
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I work with Revolution on things that he needs help with, I haven't been taking shots at him. Some do, but I don't. My apologies if it was misplaced, I guess I had lumped you in with all the kids who were so used to having CM that they expected it to be done within a month of the phone release, and got super upset when it wasn't done, my bad.
If nothing else, this has made me want to try porting the kernel again, I'm gonna give it another shot, to see if I can come up with another way to do it. We'll see what happens, once again, my bad, I'm sorry.
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I didnt mean to come off as a prick. I definetely know it will take time. Of course i want it, but i can wait. Good luck with the kernel. Hope you get it. Im sorry also.
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I know you're still actively working on the CM 7.1 project for the D/S, did you have any interest in working with us on projects for the Sidekick?
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I know you're still actively working on the CM 7.1 project for the D/S, did you have any interest in working with us on projects for the Sidekick?
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Id love to. But, right now my internet is off. As soon as its back up and running then id be glad to do what i can to help when im not working on the Dream/Sapphire. I want to try to keep CM alive for them. Ill let you know as soon as its back up and running.
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As far as kernels for ICS if Samsung releases source code for kernel does it have to be solely for our device or can it be (ported so to speak) from another device as long as it's a samsung
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As far as kernels for ICS if Samsung releases source code for kernel does it have to be solely for our device or can it be (ported so to speak) from another device as long as it's a samsung
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Team kick ass is working on it (mostly Erik)... Be patient...
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Well I just read that samsung has released source for ICS kernel for the new Note just wondering if this can be used for our device. Also I read this from engagement.com source was from Open Source Market
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Ok I am personally going to start a new trend of not talking about ICS, CM9, or heck even Jelly Bean. If I can see that the Devs are starting to get annoyed with the constant onslaught of ICS, CM9, and CM7 questions and soon next month if it is released Jelly Bean. I guess if you can't help Develop, then you really have absolutely no place to complain about how long things are taking this is not a "customer Service" situation. Devs are here because they want to improve their own phones, or this is their hobby. They are not here to develop you a product. That's what Samsung is for in our case. If you are honestly angry about how long it is taking for us to get ICS then write T-mobile and Samsung not the Devs here that are spending their free time in order to eventually bring these awesome ROMS to our phones. Since I joined a year ago I watched Devs and entire teams leave (when is the last time you saw a Team Whiskey ROM?)So I for one am going to Back off on all the ICS business and let the Devs do their thing Without Having to stop constantly and answer the same questions over and over again. We have limited Devs that can at any sell off their SGS4g's and say "screw this" and move on to another phone. Guys seriously instead of constantly asking the Devs lets try something new ( or old to some of us) and ask Google, Yahoo, Ask.com, and or any other search engine you so choose and let the Devs concentrate on Developing.
One day people will learn how to ignore annoying posts. One day..........
i say "TEAM WHISKEY ROM" haha. lol
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i say "TEAM WHISKEY ROM" haha. lol
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LOL thanx I didn't even see the typo, fixed it
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Team kick ass is working on it (mostly Erik)... Be patient...
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Lol thanks thomas
thomas.raines said:
Team kick ass is working on it (mostly Erik)... Be patient...
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I go away for a few days and now we're working on an ICS kernel. I should go away more often. lol
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I go away for a few days and now we're working on an ICS kernel. I should go away more often. lol
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now that's comedy! !
My question had still not been answered a
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The answer( as I have come to understand, but I maybe wrong) is well parts can but for the most part the linux kernel is the part of the OS that houses all the device, and processor specific drivers. To make matters worse is some of those drivers are also OS specific. meaning Froyo versions won't work with a Ginger bread distro and so on. To port an Android distro you have one of two choices to make it work. Recompile some or all of the libs to work with the older kernel. Or create a kernel from scratch by finding other devices the have the same hardware that have been upgraded to ICS. Often many devices have pieces of the same hardware as your phone. Sometimes it takes scouring different phones to find phones that share pieces of your hardware.
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@ bot42
You are precisely correct. We at Team Kick Ass have found a way to do just that. Unfortunately, it is a very time consuming process as we have to pull many of the information, files, and things from source. I said this once and I will say it agian. Everything is in the process of being worked on. Please be patient.
Thanks sorry if I sounded rude but all the comments that were posted were way off topic that's all I'm in no hurry for ics just seen that Samsung released source for it was trying to be helpful
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it's taking me forever to properly port voodoo sound into CM7. Precisely as thomas and bot said. If it takes so long to properly port a little thing, think about how long it's gonna take to port a whole kernel.
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it's taking me forever to properly port voodoo sound into CM7. Precisely as thomas and bot said. If it takes so long to properly port a little thing, think about how long it's gonna take to port a whole kernel.
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Yep to port a feature from one device to the next is hard a kernel/whole rom requires a lot of time and that is where my free time is being spent between reading and trying a lot of stuff
So, there are two efforts going on.
The first is what TeamKickAss is working on. I haven't seen what they are doing or any plans posted.
The second is what I'm working on over in the aosp port thread.
This port is a little more ambitious to port to three different versions.
first port sgs4g specific parts to android-samsung-2.6.35-gingerbread
then port that set of changes to android-samsung-3.0-ics branch (both branches originate from the upstream aosp samsung kernel)
the last port I will do will be to Linus's tree at whatever version it is when I get to this step.
So in the end, we'll have:
a stock kj6 kernel
the various kernels that forked from my bml and mtd kernels
aosp gb port
a couple ics kernel ports (one by teamacid, and one by teamkickass)
3.6 kernel port(or maybe 3.7)?
So, there is a peek in the crystal ball I have.
The future's so bright, gotta wear shades
Hi Bryan
Wassup?
I have a friend with SGS i9000, (which didn't get official ICS) nevertheless he installed an ICS 4.04 AOSP ROM on it, working flawlessly.
So my question is, once kernel port will reach its purpose, will we be able to successfully port such ROM ? (PS. I downloaded that ROM and saw some MTD_over_BML stuff inside)
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i bet kickass can port it within a few days of an ICS kernel, but ports aren't always the most reliable/stable/fast. It'd be easier just to build from source. That way, we'd have a stable rom, and easier bug fixing.
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Hi Bryan
Wassup?
I have a friend with SGS i9000, (which didn't get official ICS) nevertheless he installed an ICS 4.04 AOSP ROM on it, working flawlessly.
So my question is, once kernel port will reach its purpose, will we be able to successfully port such ROM ? (PS. I downloaded that ROM and saw some MTD_over_BML stuff inside)
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Yea, with so many developers on teamhacksung... they can WORK TOGETHER and port their Aries kernel to any Aries phone. Our phone is kinda funky and we have very few developers.
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Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
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What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
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lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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@onebornoflight
what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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I'm gonna push back wayyyy to froyo stock or stock gingerbread and try to make it stable as possible wish me luck
Anyways any tips helpers are welcome hopefully devs like blue6ix wildchild kornyone besties: weeekend and agentcherrycolla
Any suggestions and ideas?
I'm just doing this to learn and maybe get a wicked crazy idea on making an awesome rom
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I'm gonna push back wayyyy to froyo stock or stock gingerbread and try to make it stable as possible wish me luck
Anyways any tips helpers are welcome hopefully devs like blue6ix wildchild kornyone besties: weeekend and agentcherrycolla
Any suggestions and ideas?
I'm just doing this to learn and maybe get a wicked crazy idea on making an awesome rom
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Start with a stock rom and optimize it with some scripts *cough*V6 supercharger*cough*. Good luck .
Feeling lucky? Try an ICS port based off CM9 from the sensation.
Crimedave....it looks like you now have a directive on how to get started developing some skills. You couldn't be getting the right suggestions from anyone better either. You GO dude!
Stock Sense ROMS are the easiest to get built into a bootable ROM using the dsixda kitchen. But it will be bone stock with the options you add, everything else will be behind the scenes, decompiling apks and changing values to make to UI a bit faster, finding the right scripts to run, removing and moving apks around. You could also optimize the images inside the ROM to improve on performance. Build.prop tweaks are also a good thing to boost some perfomance and tweak some things out
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Stock gingerbread is a good place to start, because you have all that you need to experiment with a woking code base to begin with.
You know the stock rom runs. You have the kernel source to work with.
If it breaks (honestly, when it breaks) you will know it was something you did and be able to rewind your steps and fix it.
How much hard drive space do you have? Get more.
Proper versioning means saving all the raw files from each step - depending on what you are doing this could be a lot of replicated data. Invaluable when you don't realize a problem until several versions ahead when you try to troubleshoot it.
Don't get hung up on making a polished product from the start, juat dive in and get your hands dirty with it. Learn what the rules are, and just don't break them and have fun.
(rules = the very few ways to brick the device. Learn how, and these methods represent the only things to worry about avoiding at the start)
@Blue6IX
Speaking of new ROM... Are you considering updating your ROM to the latest firmware? I like your ROM very much in fact the only ROM I store are just bulletproof, MikXE & Virtuous Infinity. Problem with the current bulletproof is that the settings.apk doesn't have storage encryption support The latest doubleshot firmware already has that.
So... my question is can you update bulletproof to the latest firmware of doubleshot? Or at least port the latest settings.apk to your bulletproof ROM or at the very least modify settings.apk to add storage encryption support? Please.... :fingers-crossed:
I'm no professional smali coder to patch up the latest firmware with your mods so can't help but ask sorry I really like the tweaks app & the extended Advanced power menu on your ROM. But can't use it as a daily ROM due to the missing encryption feature.
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@Blue6IX
Speaking of new ROM... Are you considering updating your ROM to the latest firmware? I like your ROM very much in fact the only ROM I store are just bulletproof, MikXE & Virtuous Infinity. Problem with the current bulletproof is that the settings.apk doesn't have storage encryption support The latest doubleshot firmware already has that.
So... my question is can you update bulletproof to the latest firmware of doubleshot? Or at least port the latest settings.apk to your bulletproof ROM or at the very least modify settings.apk to add storage encryption support? Please.... :fingers-crossed:
I'm no professional smali coder to patch up the latest firmware with your mods so can't help but ask sorry I really like the tweaks app & the extended Advanced power menu on your ROM. But can't use it as a daily ROM due to the missing encryption feature.
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Try to pull what's needed from MikTouch. That's the latest ota and I don't mind
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Try to pull what's needed from MikTouch. That's the latest ota and I don't mind
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The big question is... Would that work? Anyways will try after I'm done of what I'm currently doing right now :good:
Riyal said:
The big question is... Would that work? Anyways will try after I'm done of what I'm currently doing right now :good:
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You would be suprised what works. All the tweaks in MikXE are from the inc 2, SystemUI.apk and all. Mixing and matching apks with Sense has proved really easy
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Ok thanks for the tip! And I hope it's easy as mix matching on Xperia 2011 devices... I'll put extra effort on making all the custom ROMs I use as stable as I could for the sake of me.
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Ok thanks for the tip! And I hope it's easy as mix matching on Xperia 2011 devices... I'll put extra effort on making all the custom ROMs I use as stable as I could for the sake of me.
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Yeah I used to use everything I touched. But not so much over here since there is so much great things going on. I change ROMS every couple of days and as long as I don't restore any data I'm good
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So... my question is can you update bulletproof to the latest firmware of doubleshot? Or at least port the latest settings.apk to your bulletproof ROM or at the very least modify settings.apk to add storage encryption support? Please.... :fingers-crossed:
I'm no professional smali coder ...
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You would be surprised how few of us are 'professional' in regards to having used the particular talents we are gaining in a professional sense. Sure, i've worked in computers in various capacities, but to say I did anywhere near the breadth of things I am free to play with here professionally would be such a lie the term 'stretching the truth' doesn't really apply.
My work life was one of rhythms of activity and lulls of non for a while, but my new employer is running me ragged and there's a lot of interstate driving involved. I'm starting to get used to the level of strain put on my physical shell, but it's a lot at the moment. I'm working with others to get my files back up for now, and trying to get my digital life accustomed to my new physical one.
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Try to pull what's needed from MikTouch. That's the latest ota and I don't mind
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...and likewise for bulletproof, or anything i've done.
This right here illustrates the very core of what XDA is - developers sharing their developments in large part for others to build on. By comparing the code of the different softwares available you can see how people did different things, and learn ten times what you can from any tutorial or walk-through.
Just diving in and doing is a big part of learning this stuff, and the learning curve really is as steep as you make it. Setting obscene goals without the hundreds of little steps in between to get there is a silly but common approach. My best advice to anyone starting out is to not expect too much from yourself, and just give it a shot.
The best way to learn what you don't know is to give it a try.
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I change ROMS every couple of days and as long as I don't restore any data I'm good
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Hah - That's why I hold a grudge against Titanium backup. Not because it doesn't work - but rather because it does. People restoring data from older versions of the ROM or some other ROM altogether is 9 times out of 10 a nightmare to deal with.
Talk about troubleshooting ghosts
Blue6IX said:
You would be surprised how few of us are 'professional' in regards to having used the particular talents we are gaining in a professional sense. Sure, i've worked in computers in various capacities, but to say I did anywhere near the breadth of things I am free to play with here professionally would be such a lie the term 'stretching the truth' doesn't really apply.
My work life was one of rhythms of activity and lulls of non for a while, but my new employer is running me ragged and there's a lot of interstate driving involved. I'm starting to get used to the level of strain put on my physical shell, but it's a lot at the moment. I'm working with others to get my files back up for now, and trying to get my digital life accustomed to my new physical one.
...and likewise for bulletproof, or anything i've done.
This right here illustrates the very core of what XDA is - developers sharing their developments in large part for others to build on. By comparing the code of the different softwares available you can see how people did different things, and learn ten times what you can from any tutorial or walk-through.
Just diving in and doing is a big part of learning this stuff, and the learning curve really is as steep as you make it. Setting obscene goals without the hundreds of little steps in between to get there is a silly but common approach. My best advice to anyone starting out is to not expect too much from yourself, and just give it a shot.
The best way to learn what you don't know is to give it a try.
Hah - That's why I hold a grudge against Titanium backup. Not because it doesn't work - but rather because it does. People restoring data from older versions of the ROM or some other ROM altogether is 9 times out of 10 a nightmare to deal with.
Talk about troubleshooting ghosts
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damn blue you need a relaxing break a vacation maybe make more awesome roms to release your stress lol