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[Q] Benchmark Scores

So we all know the Nexus S has a 1Ghz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU, which sounds unimpressive considering the Nexus One has a 1Ghz Snapdragon QSD 8250, but it's a known fact that clock speed often has little to do with actual computational power. Qualitative previews have said that the Nexus S "flies," but I'd like to see something more in the numbers. If anyone has a demo device, could you run a few benchmarks? Or perhaps comment on performance after quick opening/closing several computationally intensive applications?

QuacoreZX said:
So we all know the Nexus S has a 1Ghz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU, which sounds unimpressive considering the Nexus One has a 1Ghz Snapdragon QSD 8250, but it's a known fact that clock speed often has little to do with actual computational power. Qualitative previews have said that the Nexus S "flies," but I'd like to see something more in the numbers. If anyone has a demo device, could you run a few benchmarks? Or perhaps comment on performance after quick opening/closing several computationally intensive applications?
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1gb humingbird is fast as galaxy S and iphone 4. both which are like 30% or more faster then snapdragon

I think the key improvement is in graphics performance. Here is a comparison.

QuacoreZX said:
So we all know the Nexus S has a 1Ghz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU, which sounds unimpressive considering the Nexus One has a 1Ghz Snapdragon QSD 8250, but it's a known fact that clock speed often has little to do with actual computational power. Qualitative previews have said that the Nexus S "flies," but I'd like to see something more in the numbers. If anyone has a demo device, could you run a few benchmarks? Or perhaps comment on performance after quick opening/closing several computationally intensive applications?
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The S5PC11x (Hummingbird) has 2x the memory bandwidth of the MSM8250.
The MSM8250 gets about 2x the floating point performance of the S5PC11x.
I believe the SGX540 GPU in S5PC11x is on the whole a bit faster than the GPU in the 8250, but I don't have hard numbers on that in front of me. They're architecturally different GPUs and will have different strengths and weaknesses.
It's really hard to do a good apples to apples comparison of different SoCs -- memory interconnect, cache sizes, ARM architecture version, GPU, etc, etc all play into overall system performance.
Gingerbread, overall, tends to be faster than Froyo on the same hardware.

Not really too familiar with this stuff, but will the JIT compiler being optimized for snapdragon instruction set make a huge difference still? My Vibrant plays games way better than the MT4G (imo) but scores terribly on Linpack and is terribly slow at opening applications and things vs. the MT4G.

Read the post above you. Linpack is mainly a benchmark for numerical performance(floating point etc), where the Snapdragon chips are MUCH better.
But the Hummingbird(PowerVR) GPU is better than the Adreno GPU found in the Snapdragon line. That's why the gaming performance of your Vibrant is better than the MT4G.

Ronaldo_9 said:
1gb humingbird is fast as galaxy S and iphone 4. both which are like 30% or more faster then snapdragon
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PhoenixFx said:
I think the key improvement is in graphics performance. Here is a comparison.
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Yup, just anecdotally, hummingbird is MUCH faster than snapdragon IMHO

galaxyS/NS SGX540= 90 million triangles/sec
HTC G2 Adreno 205 =44 million triangles/sec
Nexus one = Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
nexus S is running on the fastest GPU out now. And another good thing about running on power VR GPU is that iphone runs on one also so when lazy iphone porting happens you will have optimal performance running on that GPU than you would on Adreno
Ive noticed this especially on gameloft games
Trust me im on a vibrant and came from nexus one with out a doubt the nexus S GPU smokes nexus one GPU even out performance 2nd gen snapdragon

Hummingbird > all atm.
Orion will be the same.

Don't make pre-assumptions about the dual core chips.. Orion has good competition from the TI OMAPS line.. Qualcomm looks like they'll stay behind GPU wise though.
Plus the Sound Quality of the Hummingbird chip is awesome. MUCH better than the Snapdragon chips.

Also, you have to be cautious of manufacturer specs for GPU pixels/sec and triangles/sec -- the "box numbers" are always under optimal conditions and often not representative of real workloads.
For modern non-fixed-pipe GPUs (gl ES 2.x, etc) compute capabilities (how many shader ops / pixel/ etc you can get away with) factor in as well.
Depending on what your workload is like (geometry heavy? fill heavy? texture heavy? shader heavy?) you will see different strengths and weaknesses when comparing GPUs.
All that said, the SGX540 is indeed quite snappy.

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I agree the sound chip is good in the NS, as is the GPU

[INFO/Q] HTC Sensetion only 1900 points with

smartbench 2011 Productivity test
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ind...11:Productivity&filter_cpu=all&filter_gpu=all
gpu score i might understand why its low cos the high res but why the Productivity is so low ?
i guess HTC didnt put faster NAND ROM
Evo3D did 2000
someone maybe know what the problem or cause ?

Proz00 said:
smartbench 2011 Productivity test
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ind...11:Productivity&filter_cpu=all&filter_gpu=all
gpu score i might understand why its low cos the high res but why the Productivity is so low ?
i guess HTC didnt put faster NAND ROM
Evo3D did 2000
someone maybe know what the problem or cause ?
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The reason is...
The CPU is cortex 8.
Tegra 2 and the new Samsung processors are Cortex 9.
Coretex 9 is a PRETTY big improvement over cortex.
Once again HTC is going for garbage hardware
What is in the sensation is 2 Desire HD CPUS oC to 1.2 Ghz + better GPU.
What is in the SGS2 is 2 MUCH better Hummingbird CPUs OC to 1.2 + MUCH better GPU

the cpu is neither a cortex a8 nor a cortex a9. it will provide plenty of performance and will be competitive with other dual cores.
the adreno 220 gpu that comes with the sensation is faster than the mali gpu that comes with the sgs2 when looking at preliminary tests done by anandtech.
whether it will be the fastest or slowest dual core soc will have to wait until its released, and benchmarks often only tell part of the story. but certainly it will provide far more performance than any of the single core soc's we have right now and will provide much satisfaction from its owners.

kaiserkannon said:
the cpu is neither a cortex a8 nor a cortex a9. it will provide plenty of performance and will be competitive with other dual cores.
the adreno 220 gpu that comes with the sensation is faster than the mali gpu that comes with the sgs2 when looking at preliminary tests done by anandtech.
whether it will be the fastest or slowest dual core soc will have to wait until its released, and benchmarks often only tell part of the story. but certainly it will provide far more performance than any of the single core soc's we have right now and will provide much satisfaction from its owners.
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Huh? I'm confused.
Is the cpu not based on arms cortex a8? Just a slightly modified version. It is identical to the Single core Snapdragon in the Desire HD.
The benchmarks so far don't make it seem too be as competitive as the Tegra 2 OR orion.
Samsung has said that the Mali 400 is MUCH faster then the current hummingbird GPU. Current benchmarks say that it is infact SLOWER...
I doubt samsung would release the Orion with a GPU SLOWER then its previous gen... that just makes no sense. If that is the case then Tegra might be king. If the Mali 400 IS much better tho, samsung will have the best SoC.
The CPU in the Sensation is ROUGHLY... 2.4 ghz. Compare that to the Desire HD stable OC of 1.8 ghz.
What is left to be seen is how much the CPU can be OC'd.
I would think that it would be less then 1.8 ghz each core. But thats yet tooo bee seen.
Regardless of what you think... the HTC sensation CPU will be slower then the competitions.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the Sensation CPU should have the same battery life as the current single core Snapdragon... however it is pushing more pixels sooo..

Samsung should have mated its Orion to Hummingbird gpu. Hummingbird was great
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Maedhros said:
The benchmarks so far don't make it seem too be as competitive as the Tegra 2 OR orion.
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Dunno where you got your information from, but it's very competitive with the Tegra 2. (8660 is the CDMA version of the Sensation's 8260). From these benchmarks, we also know that an overclock of at least 1.5GHz will be perfectly viable--the chip was designed for that anyhow.
Debating A8 vs A9 is a trivial matter, because it's a tiny fraction of the entire picture.

Wondering if cm7 can help the score

First, that Anandtech benchmark is not a good measuring stick. Anandtech benched the MDP that had the 8660 running at 1.5 GHz and 800x480 so the results are higher than what Sensation can achieve because Sensations runs at a lower clock and higher resolution.
Second, Qualcomm 8260/8660 is A8 Cortex. Tegra 2, OMAP4 and Exynos are A9 Cortex based. Claims that Qualcomm doesn't use the ARM architecture is a lie.

Never trust smartbench. Period.
GLbenchmark is more trustworthy.
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t-mizzle said:
First, that Anandtech benchmark is not a good measuring stick. Anandtech benched the MDP that had the 8660 running at 1.5 GHz and 800x480 so the results are higher than what Sensation can achieve because Sensations runs at a lower clock and higher resolution.
Second, Qualcomm 8260/8660 is A8 Cortex. Tegra 2, OMAP4 and Exynos are A9 Cortex based. Claims that Qualcomm doesn't use the ARM architecture is a lie.
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The scorpion core in snapdragon socs use the arm v7 instruction set that both the a8 and a9 use, but it is not an a8 or an a9, it is qualcomms own design.
And personally I like comparing the different chips in these phones at the same resolution to see which chip has better performance on a level playing field. But yeah the sensation will have a bit worse performance thanks to higher resolution. Like the atrix vs optimus 2x. But to me the higher resolution is completely worth the hit in performance.

TeroZ said:
Never trust smartbench. Period.
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Would you care to elaborate on this please?
GLbenchmark is more trustworthy.
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GLBench is a decent 3D benchmark app, but it is just that - it tests only the GPU. Smartbench was designed to test both CPU (inc. dual-core ones) and GPU, hence reporting two numbers. IMO, you are not comparing apples to apples unless you were only referring to the GPU portion of the test.

kaiserkannon said:
The scorpion core in snapdragon socs use the arm v7 instruction set that both the a8 and a9 use, but it is not an a8 or an a9, it is qualcomms own design.
And personally I like comparing the different chips in these phones at the same resolution to see which chip has better performance on a level playing field. But yeah the sensation will have a bit worse performance thanks to higher resolution. Like the atrix vs optimus 2x. But to me the higher resolution is completely worth the hit in performance.
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Stop spreading FUD. MSM 8260/8660 is not capable of out of order execution. Cortex A9 supports this feature, A8 does not.
MSM 8260/8660 Pipeline Depth is 13 stages, therefor it's clearly a A8 Cortex.
A9 was a successor to the A8 and it's a significant improvement over it.

t-mizzle said:
Stop spreading FUD. MSM 8260/8660 is not capable of out of order execution. Cortex A9 supports this feature, A8 does not.
MSM 8260/8660 Pipeline Depth is 13 stages, therefor it's clearly a A8 Cortex.
A9 was a successor to the A8 and it's a significant improvement over it.
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qualcomm disagrees with you though. they state that it is not based on the a8 and has partial out of order execution. it also has a 128 bit wide neon data path for neon instructions in comparison to the 64 bit wide path in a8 and a9 designs. while there are some similarities to the a8 as you pointed out, the scorpion is not qualcomm's implementation of an a8. and it has some advantages over both a8 and a9. and some disadvantes to an a9. overall the a9 will probably be a bit faster clock for clock, but the scorpion cores in the snapdragon dual cores are clocked faster.
this is very much the same as amd and intel. they both use the same instruction set (x86), but their processors are not the same. qualcomm simply licenses the instruction set (armv7) and builds its own processor. while other companies like nvidia, TI, and samsung buy the cortex a8 or a9 design from ARM and build a copy of it.

Acei said:
Would you care to elaborate on this please?
GLBench is a decent 3D benchmark app, but it is just that - it tests only the GPU. Smartbench was designed to test both CPU (inc. dual-core ones) and GPU, hence reporting two numbers. IMO, you are not comparing apples to apples unless you were only referring to the GPU portion of the test.
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You are right. But smartbench rank scorpion+adreno205 lower than DX with [email protected] is definitely nonsense.
For gpu, go glbenchmark or nenamark or an3dbench whatever but smartbench.
For cpu, crunching pi or linpack is more reliable.
Smartbench does not reflect any real world performance.
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Thracks said:
Dunno where you got your information from, but it's very competitive with the Tegra 2. (8660 is the CDMA version of the Sensation's 8260). From these benchmarks, we also know that an overclock of at least 1.5GHz will be perfectly viable--the chip was designed for that anyhow.
Debating A8 vs A9 is a trivial matter, because it's a tiny fraction of the entire picture.
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Based on glbenchmark score the anand tests might be suspect. It was score 6% higher than tegra 2 not double like anand's test. Or qcomm might be monkeying with things.If that is the case I am going to have a big problem with qcomm products.

Maybe smartbench is right and the nand quality is poor?

The sense experience on it wasn't done. It would have to score higher than the mytouch and previous devices its dual core. Most likely a crappy engineering build on it.
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TeroZ said:
You are right. But smartbench rank scorpion+adreno205 lower than DX with [email protected] is definitely nonsense.
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There are other benchmark apps that rank your combo in the same order as Smartbench in graphical tests. Plus, please do look at the productivity tests for Smartbench 2011 more carefully. Typical Scorpion based phone score slightly higher results on Scorpions than DX. Even games like Dungeon Defender (a graphically heavy game) ranks both as "mid-range", while ranking Galaxy S series as "high-end".
For gpu, go glbenchmark or nenamark or an3dbench whatever but smartbench.
For cpu, crunching pi or linpack is more reliable.
Smartbench does not reflect any real world performance.
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Calculating Pi is a very very simple, narrow, and one-dimensioned test. Linpack is heavy on floating point calculations. If that is what you want to know, then I have no issues with that. But do your day-to-day tasks on your phones translate to pure floating point calculations on your phones? They don't. That's why I've included several tests and will be including more as new versions are updated in the future. Plus, I believe none of them uses more than 1 core.
I'm open to suggestions and criticisms - but please do provide more details.

Latest benchmarks made by a retail GSII which has an ORION Exynos talks by themselves
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13096662&postcount=383
Exynos at "only" 1.2Ghz is even better than adreno 220 SCORPION 1.5Ghz chip as it score 41 fps whereas the latter is scoring 38 fps in GLBenchmark EGYPT standard test
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4243/36161.png
http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/04/21/110421112944690206.png
So the HTC Sensation which is underclocked to 1.2Ghz and have a bigger resolution will look like shayt, SGSII With Exynos will rule for a long long time...

touness69 said:
Latest benchmarks made by a retail GSII which has an ORION Exynos talks by themselves
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13096662&postcount=383
Exynos at "only" 1.2Ghz is even better than adreno 220 SCORPION 1.5Ghz chip as it score 41 fps whereas the latter is scoring 38 fps in GLBenchmark EGYPT standard test
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4243/36161.png
http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/04/21/110421112944690206.png
So the HTC Sensation which is underclocked to 1.2Ghz and have a bigger resolution will look like shayt, SGSII With Exynos will rule for a long long time...
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Thanks for this.
Looks like this is another HTC phone with a disappointing CPU & GPU

[Q]Mali-400 MP vs Adreno 220 vs ULP GeForce vs SGX 540?

In the market for an upgrade, currently have a HTC Desire running CM7 and it's great, no lag in everyday use, OC'd to 1.1ghz, the only thing is that the graphics aren't great due to the outdated Adreno 200 GPU. I get higher Quadrant figures than my gf's Galaxy S but my phone is a joke in the graphics test compared to the samsung.
So for me the real limitation is the GPU and I want the best available product this time
The phones I had in mind (and in order of preference) are:
Samsung Galaxy S II (Mali-400 MP) (480x800)
HTC Evo 3D (Adreno 220) (540x960)
LG Optimus 3D (SGX 540) (480x800)
Motorola Atrix 4G (ULP GeForce) (540x960)
Anandtech benchmark on OC'd adreno 220, sgx 540 & geforce
Anandtech benchmark on mali-400 mp
Based partly on the benchmarks and lots and lots of forum/thread searching, my guess is Mali-400 MP > SGX 540 > Adreno 220 > GeForce ULP, is that about right?
What do you guys think is the best and what should I go for?
Extra Q.. is the SGX 543 expected in any android devices yet? Google brings up nothing

nop... wrong
SGX 543 = Adreno 220 >> Mali -400 >> Geforce ULP [tegra 2] >> SGX 540 >> Adreno 205 >> SGX 535 >> Adreno 200 = SGX 530
m nt sure but as per my knowledge Adreno 220 is more powerful which is going to release in Evo 3d and Sensation...
I m planning to buy Htc sensation soon....
EDIT :- Correction of mali-400 position..... [and even i am not sure about adreno 220 ]
[even my xperia runs on adreno 200 ..... cravin for good gpu too]

neelpatel007 said:
Adreno 220 >> Geforce ULP [tegra 2] >> SGX 540 = Mali -400 >> Adreno 205 >> SGX 535 >> Adreno 200 = SGX 530
m nt sure but as per my knowledge Adreno 220 is more powerful which is going to release in Evo 3d and Sensation...
I m planning to buy Htc sensation soon....
[even my xperia runs on adreno 200 ..... cravin for good gpu too]
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Yep,that's about right.I have a Desire HD and am going to buy the Sensation when it hits the market.
One a couple of things though.First,he SGX 540 in the LG Optimus 2X is an overclocked version of the one in the Galaxy S.Second,by looking at these benchmarks it's unfair for the Geforce and the Adreno 220,because the Atrix and Evo 3D/Sensation have a resolution of 960x540 as opposed to 800x480 of the others,as is written in the OP.That is 35% more pixels which makes things harder for the GPU.

sorry for the question but what does gpu do?

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sorry for the question but what does gpu do?
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Accelerates graphics and lets you play games smoothly (Graphics Processing Unit). Unless you're an avid mobile gamer, any of the newer ones are just fine.

But why would Samsung switch from the SGX540 used in the Galaxy S to the Mali-400 MP in Galaxy S2 if it wasn't better. I know comparing qHD screens to the WVGA screens is slightly unfair but I've heard the Galaxy S2's S-AMOLED+ display is one of the best on the market.
In addition, why would Samsung use the Exynos SoC as opposed to the Tegra2 if it weren't as good
the optimus 3d beats the optimus 2x in the benchmarks so i think it's fair to say sgx540 is better than tegra/geforce

viva.fidel said:
But why would Samsung switch from the SGX540 used in the Galaxy S to the Mali-400 MP in Galaxy S2 if it wasn't better. I know comparing qHD screens to the WVGA screens is slightly unfair but I've heard the Galaxy S2's S-AMOLED+ display is one of the best on the market.
In addition, why would Samsung use the Exynos SoC as opposed to the Tegra2 if it weren't as good
the optimus 3d beats the optimus 2x in the benchmarks so i think it's fair to say sgx540 is better than tegra/geforce
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That's exactly my point,Samsung didn't change to a worse GPU.The Optimus 3D uses an overclocked version of the SGX540.I think that,if they were running at the same frequencies,the Mali would outperform it,but we can't be sure.
Bottom line?If you want hardcore gaming,go for either Adreno 220 or Geforce ULP.The others are just fine.

Remember benchmarks arent everything, and samsung is uping to 1.2ghz each core. Anyways I like htc so ill stick to mytouches and htc so mytouch 4g slide for me
http://pocketnow.com/android/t-mobile-mytouch-4g-slide-htc-doubleshot-full-specs
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tolis626 said:
That's exactly my point,Samsung didn't change to a worse GPU.The Optimus 3D uses an overclocked version of the SGX540.I think that,if they were running at the same frequencies,the Mali would outperform it,but we can't be sure.
Bottom line?If you want hardcore gaming,go for either Adreno 220 or Geforce ULP.The others are just fine.
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Hey, yeah I looked into this and the Optimus 3D uses SGX540 @ 300mhz with an updated driver compare to the SGS @ 200 mhz
Guess I'm just gonna have to wait until a few more benchmarks emerge of the Mali as anandtech's were using a prototype device.

Wow, They're fast. The 220 hitting 90fps when my Z only gets 25

viva.fidel said:
Hey, yeah I looked into this and the Optimus 3D uses SGX540 @ 300mhz with an updated driver compare to the SGS @ 200 mhz
Guess I'm just gonna have to wait until a few more benchmarks emerge of the Mali as anandtech's were using a prototype device.
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See?Told 'ya!
Anyway,I tend to believe that the new generations strongest beast(They are all beasts after all)is the Adreno 220.Couple it with the fact that the GPU gets overclocked together with the CPU(Integrated),if you overclock it at a healthy frequency(1.8GHz anyone? Yeah,I'm THAT mad!)you will get dreamy performance.
Anyway,the Sensation's benchmarks are just from prototypes,so we have yet to see its true potential.
Sure thing is they are all very damn fast,and everything will be even faster when multi-core optimized apps hit the market.Until then we can only sit back and enjoy the show.I for one am torn between the Galaxy S 2 and the Sensation.Which one I'll get?Dunno yet.If it wasn't for the Super Amoled + screen I wouldn't even be thinking about it,but the screen on those things is damn beautiful.On the other hand,the Sensation has qHD screen...Why,oh why are they so expensive?I'd get both otherwise!

tolis626 said:
See?Told 'ya!
Anyway,I tend to believe that the new generations strongest beast(They are all beasts after all)is the Adreno 220.Couple it with the fact that the GPU gets overclocked together with the CPU(Integrated),if you overclock it at a healthy frequency(1.8GHz anyone? Yeah,I'm THAT mad!)you will get dreamy performance.
Anyway,the Sensation's benchmarks are just from prototypes,so we have yet to see its true potential.
Sure thing is they are all very damn fast,and everything will be even faster when multi-core optimized apps hit the market.Until then we can only sit back and enjoy the show.I for one am torn between the Galaxy S 2 and the Sensation.Which one I'll get?Dunno yet.If it wasn't for the Super Amoled + screen I wouldn't even be thinking about it,but the screen on those things is damn beautiful.On the other hand,the Sensation has qHD screen...Why,oh why are they so expensive?I'd get both otherwise!
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As a DesireHD owner myself, im on the same boat as you my friend. My only gripe with the sgs2 is the non qhd res screen and comparatively weak gpu, especially how their last gen sgs gpu was miles ahead of everyone else. There's also the option to get the tegra2 powered sgs2, but i think that one does not have samoled+ display, also im not sure if the tegra2 unit will be OC'd to 1.2. Im seriously considering now the evo 3d gsm, but not only does it have no built in memory but its coming out later and sgs 2 is already out.

Benchmark: Mali 400 (Samsung S II) > Adreno 220 (HTC Sensation)
"Smartbench 2011 is one of the few synthetic benchmark tests that are able to measure multicore performance, so these results are for both CPU cores at work. The Samsung Galaxy S II steadily beats the HTC Pyramid in both the productivity (3732 vs 1898 points), and GPU tests (2431 vs 1426 points)."
But it also notes:
"Bear in mind that the Galaxy S II that the test was run on, seems to be the final version, with the 1.2GHz Exynos chipset, and the HTC Pyramid was the internal name of the HTC Sensation when it was still a prototype, so we’ll wait for the retail version to pass judgement on the 1.2Ghz Snapdragon chipset inside."

Mali seems to be doing pretty damn good.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedet...2&testgroup=overall&benchmark=glpro20&var=top
And what matters is real life performance. See any vid of the galaxy s 2 and its buttery smooth, even while playing hd flash in the browser.

tolis626 said:
See?Told 'ya!
Anyway,I tend to believe that the new generations strongest beast(They are all beasts after all)is the Adreno 220.Couple it with the fact that the GPU gets overclocked together with the CPU(Integrated),if you overclock it at a healthy frequency(1.8GHz anyone? Yeah,I'm THAT mad!)you will get dreamy performance.
Anyway,the Sensation's benchmarks are just from prototypes,so we have yet to see its true potential.
Sure thing is they are all very damn fast,and everything will be even faster when multi-core optimized apps hit the market.Until then we can only sit back and enjoy the show.I for one am torn between the Galaxy S 2 and the Sensation.Which one I'll get?Dunno yet.If it wasn't for the Super Amoled + screen I wouldn't even be thinking about it,but the screen on those things is damn beautiful.On the other hand,the Sensation has qHD screen...Why,oh why are they so expensive?I'd get both otherwise!
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The qHD display isn't really that much sharper than the Super Amoled Plus display, but it decreases performance.
And the Super Amoled also has: Better colors, totally black (also saves power), 1ms response (good when you watch movies), 180 degree, viewing angle, and responds better you your touches.
Did I mention that it was thin?
Also the Exynos Chip is stronger.
I belive that the CPU is customized by Intrisity, but I can't confirm that.
And the Mali-400MP will probably get better drivers. (not that it would lag anyway )
Galaxy S 2 is also thinner.
I think it's the best choice.
HTC Sensation is awesome, but Galaxy S 2 is the best phone on the market.
But on one final note: I recommend that you wait for the Nexus 3 that comes around Christmas.
It's rumored to have the Tegra 3 chip inside (quad-core).

tolis626 said:
On the other hand,the Sensation has qHD screen...
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But PenTile Display...
Since I know this the Sensation was also one candidate for me along with the S2.
But now the S2 will be my next phone after my desire, I guess.

Hi
Even I changed my mind from HTC sensation to SGS2 .... after watching such a low benchmark performance of HTC sensation see it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RHziztN2gs
And after watching the superb clearity of SuperAMOLED display , against HTC's blurry screen ,,,,,... m in love with SGS2......
See it here... http://www.youtube.com/user/SlashGear?ob=5#p/u/0/p3axSZX1R_s
I dont know what that HTC people did with Adreno 220 n i have no clue why it's benchmarks are low......
So all time Sensation lover has now moved to SGS2 .... SGS2 rocks....
See the FPS in the second video , SGS2 is far better in 2D n 3D performance too..... HTC s**ckin big time.... big disappointment....

mali 400 < sgx 540 < ulp < adreno 220
mali is best but problem is some games are only compatible with tegra's ULP

any pc modder knows resolution is a huge tax on graphics. benchmarks dont mean much at different resolutions, not to mention frame rate caps. mali might have a slight edge on adreno in a fair test, but not enough to swing a decision i dont think. screen and build quality will be the biggest variance. imo htc wins build quality, and higher res screen is better for text/browsing. Samsung's lower res (and crazy good looking) screen will always lead to higher frame rates, so they win for games/ vids. Ill be getting the sensation the day its released (work for tmob, decision was kinda made for me)

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any pc modder knows resolution is a huge tax on graphics. benchmarks dont mean much at different resolutions, not to mention frame rate caps. mali might have a slight edge on adreno in a fair test, but not enough to swing a decision i dont think. screen and build quality will be the biggest variance. imo htc wins build quality, and higher res screen is better for text/browsing. Samsung's lower res (and crazy good looking) screen will always lead to higher frame rates, so they win for games/ vids. Ill be getting the sensation the day its released (work for tmob, decision was kinda made for me)
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can you give details on the mytouch 4g slide?
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the truth : sgx540 powerful than mali-400mp

now the question is why sammy choose arm than powervr ?
arm dont have experience with gpu

The SGX540 is not more powerful than the Mali-400MP4. Where did you get that from?
And as for ARM and the Mali-400 being their first consumer GPU, it's pretty damn fine for what it is. It beats out most other competition and the perf/mm² is great for Samsung. What'll prove them is going to be the next Mali-T604 which should by the paper specs, kick some ass.

I prefer "truths" that are backed up with DATA. Otherwise, you're no better than the local town drunk shouting about end of days on a street corner.

It steel my opinion
in the benchmark mali-400 are not all time on top
and powervr gpu have more compatibility game

hat007 said:
It steel my opinion
in the benchmark mali-400 are not all time on top
and powervr gpu have more compatibility game
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Then the title should be "my opinion"... NOT "the truth."

hahahaha
first I think you dont have importante things to do
seconde i now my english is not good as your

Well if one's looking at purely triangles and texture formats then SGX540 > Mali400.
But SGX543MP2 > both anyway.

I don't think the sgx540 is better than the mali but i don't have any proof either. But the sgx543 indefinitely better than anything out by atleast twice their power. Wonder how bad it will heat up though...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
'nuff said..

PowerVR SGX540 was in the first Galaxy S. Don't bring that stuff here with nothing to back up. MALI 400 is the most powerful GPU in android smartphones.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
'nuff said..
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Yep, indeed. Taken directly from that article: Given current workloads, ARM's Mali-400 is clearly the fastest GPU available on a smartphone today.

Now that its official, I'm really concerned the ipad2/4S will get special super graphical editions of games.
While Mali400 is fast, its mostly represented by 1 phone. The level of graphics in the rest of android phones is much further down.

htcplussony said:
Now that its official, I'm really concerned the ipad2/4S will get special super graphical editions of games.
While Mali400 is fast, its mostly represented by 1 phone. The level of graphics in the rest of android phones is much further down.
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because we're already nearing the limitation of mobile hardware? not even close

sgx540 better for games
ill admit the Mali 400 MP is good,but for gaming the powervr sgx540 is better.I've had personal experience with the powervr sgx540 because I play games a lot on my galaxy s,almost every game on the Android market will play on that gpu but the Mali 400 MP can't play games as well

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ill admit the Mali 400 MP is good,but for gaming the powervr sgx540 is better.I've had personal experience with the powervr sgx540 because I play games a lot on my galaxy s,almost every game on the Android market will play on that gpu but the Mali 400 MP can't play games as well
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Then obviously you don't have a clue about what Chainfire3D is,eh?Not to mention that most games now support the Galaxy S II without hacks,except for a handful or less.
Anyway,you all are missing an important fact here.GPU clocks.Let me explain:
The GeForce ULP in the Tegra 2 is clocked at 333Mhz.The SGX540 in the OMAP 4460(or whatever version the SoC of the Galaxy Nexus/Droid Razr is) is clocked at 384MHz.The Mali MP-400 is clocked at only 267Mhz,as is Qualcomm's Adreno 220 in HTC's dual-cores.So,it's fact that the Mali MP-400 and the Adreno 220 are significantly handicapped here(Although we don't know the clock of iPad 2's SGX543MP2),especially the Adreno 220 which is included only on qHD screen phones till now.
I can give you GLBenchmark results of my Galaxy S II,with my GPU running at 400MHz.It smokes every mobile device,except for the iPhone 4S and iPad 2(Let's face it,the SGX543MP2 is a beast,but the SII is also some 6 months older),although it significantly closes the gap in performance.
So,if you still think that the SGX540 is better than the Mali MP-400,I'm sorry but you're a moron.Maybe the Adreno 220 is.Maybe it's not,but it's the only GPU in an Android smartphone that even comes close.Get over it,seriously.They all play all of the Market's games without breaking a sweat.

how did you get the Galaxy S II's GPU to 400MHz? how stable is it? and how stable is your cpu at 1.6Ghz? and is the 1.6Ghz OC on the cpu with the GPU OC to 400mHz? and what is your battery drain like with all this OCing going on?

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how did you get the Galaxy S II's GPU to 400MHz? how stable is it? and how stable is your cpu at 1.6Ghz? and is the 1.6Ghz OC on the cpu with the GPU OC to 400mHz? and what is your battery drain like with all this OCing going on?
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The phone will feel like hot lava while playing games like MC3 and the thing will drain the battery like a bulimic vampire. Expect like 60 minutes of MC3 online before the phone dies, unless it catches fire turning your hands into hot burgers even before that happens

vnvman said:
The phone will feel like hot lava while playing games like MC3 and the thing will drain the battery like a bulimic vampire. Expect like 60 minutes of MC3 online before the phone dies, unless it catches fire turning your hands into hot burgers even before that happens
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Huh,funny.I might disappoint you but no,it's not bad at all.Battery is draining really bad when screen is too bright.As long as screen brightness is low,battery doesn't drain that fast.Also,the phone doesn't get hot with most games,except for some reaaaaally ****tily coded ones.And the coding doesn't even need to suck in general,only the "Galaxy S II" part if you get me.I played ShadowGun with 16x MSAA for hours without overheating problems.Yet Asphalt 6 managed to make it almost burn,even with 1200MHz CPU and 200MHz GPU.Go figure.
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how did you get the Galaxy S II's GPU to 400MHz? how stable is it? and how stable is your cpu at 1.6Ghz? and is the 1.6Ghz OC on the cpu with the GPU OC to 400mHz? and what is your battery drain like with all this OCing going on?
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Yes,they are all overclocked together.No,I don't have stability problems 'cause I've found my device's "ideal" voltages.I answered the rest at the post where I quoted vnvman.
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Good to know the phone can be oced so well because when I get home tonight there should be one waiting for me
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[Q] Phone Gaming - Which one to buy?

Hi guys, I'm currently torn between a few phones,
can you help me?
My budget is up to 300 euros (MAX), I can purchase the phone from either Netherlands or Germany, does anyone know any good shops there btw?
Anyway,
My question is which is better, the LG Optimus 2X (299 Euro), Xperia Sola (279 Euro) or Xperia Arc S (279 Euro)
I'm pretty much looking for the best gaming performance, the LG has Tegra2, the Sola has Mali-400MP 1 Core, and the Arc S has Adreno 205,
There is no comparison between these GPUs, I've searched for hours, and also there's no comparison of the Mali-400 single core to quad core variant anywhere!
Also, there's no definitive comparison between a Dual Core 1GHZ Cortex A9 to a single core 1.4GHZ Snapdragon Scorpion CPU!
This is what I've got so far, only the stuff I care about in the phone (for example, I don't care about the camera or whether its TFT or AMOLED).
1. LG Optimus 2X
-Dual core 1.0ghz and Tegra2 Seems to be the best. (Good)
-4.0" Screen (Good)
-Battery performance seems to be in the gutter ~1500mAh. (Bad)
-More Expensive
2. Xperia Sola
-Dual core and Mali-400MP1 (Good or bad?)
-Battery built into phone, can't replace it or get a replacement battery, 1320mAh. (Bad)
-3.7" Screen (Average)
-Coolness factor - Hover touch and cool Tags, NFC Capable
3. Arc S
-Single Core 1.4GHZ (Good or bad?)
-Adreno 205 (Good or bad?)
-4.2" Screen (Good)
-Average Battery life
Thanks in advance!!!

I would go with the LG Optimus 2X. But, I'm no expert. I would be interested in what others think.

I would completely eliminate the xperia arc S b/c it is a single core and that it has an outdated adreno 205 gpu. That means you will get lag and not be very optimal for gaming.
That said, the top gpu in your choices is most definitely the Mali 400 in the Xperia Sola. It is better than the Tegra 2 in almost all aspects. Tegra 2 also has one major drawback and that it does not have NEON support. NEON is basically a video optimization software built into the gpu, but Tegra does not have it, so some video formats cannot play properly or not at all.
As for comparisons, here is one: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/16
The Tegra 2 is labeled as the ULP GeForce and you will see that the Mali 400 blows it out of the water.
Also on a side note, there are many hardware problems with the LG Optimus 2X, like random reboots or bad signal, so overall, in terms of build quality, cpu and graphics, go for a xperia sola.

vx117 said:
I would completely eliminate the xperia arc S b/c it is a single core and that it has an outdated adreno 205 gpu. That means you will get lag and not be very optimal for gaming.
That said, the top gpu in your choices is most definitely the Mali 400 in the Xperia Sola. It is better than the Tegra 2 in almost all aspects. Tegra 2 also has one major drawback and that it does not have NEON support. NEON is basically a video optimization software built into the gpu, but Tegra does not have it, so some video formats cannot play properly or not at all.
As for comparisons, here is one: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/16
The Tegra 2 is labeled as the ULP GeForce and you will see that the Mali 400 blows it out of the water.
Also on a side note, there are many hardware problems with the LG Optimus 2X, like random reboots or bad signal, so overall, in terms of build quality, cpu and graphics, go for a xperia sola.
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I was basing my recommendation on the Mali GPU in the Galaxy S2: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked.
Also, this article suggests the Tegra 2 is better: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
But, as I said, I know very little about these GPUs and phones.

Python. said:
I was basing my recommendation on the Mali GPU in the Galaxy S2: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked.
Also, this article suggests the Tegra 2 is better: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
But, as I said, I know very little about these GPUs and phones.
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Well, most articles favor Mali 400 MP. Both are strong gpu's, but the lack of NEON video optimization is a deal breaker.

vx117 said:
Well, most articles favor Mali 400 MP. Both are strong gpu's, but the lack of NEON video optimization is a deal breaker.
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The Mali is a good gpu but you should know that the sola has a Mali 400 mp1
that means it's singlecore but the gpu of the s2 is the Mali 400mp4 it's the quadcore version:banghead:
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oh yeah, you're right, that is a Mali 400 MP1. I wasn't aware of that. That really sucks then.
If thats the case, then go with the LG Optimus 2X. The Tegra 2 has a 8 core gpu. That's definitely better than a single core gpu anyday.
Sorry for the confusion.

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Galaxy s3
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The Galaxy S3, although a great phone, is 500 euros which is far beyond the OP's budget.

Since you'll be gaming, the most powerful gpu and the longest battery life matter most. LG wins both counts.Get the LG,flash a barebones ROM that frees up ram and increases battery life,and game away.
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LG released a fix for the restarting bug I found on the net.
It plays H264 MKV files no? are the missing codecs that much of a problem?
Thanks for the help guys!!
But just last thing, 1.4GHZ single core VS 1.0GHZ dual core = dual core winner?
Mali-400MP 1 Core VS Adreno 205 = Mali winner?

opala said:
LG released a fix for the restarting bug I found on the net.
It plays H264 MKV files no? are the missing codecs that much of a problem?
Thanks for the help guys!!
But just last thing, 1.4GHZ single core VS 1.0GHZ dual core = dual core winner?
Mali-400MP 1 Core VS Adreno 205 = Mali winner?
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Arc S > Sola in all areas.
Mali 400mp1 < adreno 205 it's just that adreno is aging.
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