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[Q] Galaxy tab: Plus or 2?

I like both tablets for their size and capabilities, but which one will get more development? Thats major for me. Also, how is the PLS displays? Ive never owned anything with a PLS, but Ive had an IPS Nook Color and I thought that was great.

Galaxy tab: Plus or 2?
Which one will have better development support is hard to say. Basically I think, it depends of which is going to be sell better. Will the Galaxy Tab be retired or is it going to be sold along with the Tab 2 Plus?
If I had to buy one, I would probably buy the Tab 2: cheaper and it already has ICS. The extra .2 Ghz is worth only if you use demanding apps (games) and even so, may be is not that bad (the Tab 10.1 has 1Ghz processor).
I own a Tab Plus and I have no complains with the screen.

I too am trying to make this decision. I just bought my 7.0 plus and now see the 2 is announced. I can still return my plus. Besides a smaller price and ICS, I really dont see much of a difference. If my 7.0 plus gets ICS, then Im not sure I can justify the time to set everything up again.

I'm a contented 7plus owner, but I was in the Erie, PA Best Buy today and there were 5 boxes locked up with the box clearly printed on the side with Galaxy Tab 2 and 7.0 in smaller text on the line below it. The employee said they had just arrived and they didn't have one on display. I was in a hurry so I didn't look into it further.

Im buying the Tab PLUS but I'm waiting for the Tab 2 to drop because I want to see how the Tab PLUS are affected pricewise. Even though the Tab 2 is priced well, its gimped. It has TI OMAP processor and PowerVR SGX540 GPU. The exynos and mali is superior in every single benchmark I've seen online. The only upside for the Tab 2 is that it is ICS out of the box, thats it, everything else is inferior to the PLUS. I've done a lot of researching with both and came to the conclusion that it is worth paying a little more for the PLUS. I'm hoping that when the Tab 2 releases, a bunch of uninformed people sell their PLUS for cheap, or the PLUS gets a price drop.

I would go with the Tab 2 because it's much cheaper. The only reason why I would choice the Tab Plus instead of the Tab 2 is that it has a much powerful processor. The Exynos beats the OMAP in almost every single department

A few Q's about Samsungs new chip

Ok, so i was planning on buying a Note 10.1 until i heard of the new chip which has 1.7GHZ and 1080p 60fps. I want to ask you guys that do you think that Note 2 will have this or has Samsung got any other tablets coming out soon which could have this, because if i get the Note 10.1 now and Note 2 will come with the new chip by the end of the year, then i'd be quite pissed.

It depends when Samsung finalize everything for the chip (legals, tests etc) But the 10.1 has already been mass produced. The specs have also been confirmed. It is highly unlikely that on first release the 10.1 will have this chip. Maybe a variant will have it. The note 2 will almost definitely have it.

Yeah i know that Note 10.1 doesn't have it but if Note 2 has it, then i'll just wait.

[Q] Have I bought the right tab?

Hi
I've recently also bought a Samsung note 10.1 - is it worth the extra in comparison to the samsung tab 2 10 inch? I plan to keep it long term so thought the quad core would out last the dual core of the samsung tab 2. But I am now thinking i wont really need all that power?
Thanks
Manny

mannysroot said:
Hi
I've recently also bought a Samsung note 10.1 - is it worth the extra in comparison to the samsung tab 2 10 inch? I plan to keep it long term so thought the quad core would out last the dual core of the samsung tab 2. But I am now thinking i wont really need all that power?
Thanks
Manny
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The G-Tab 2 is a nice value-level tablet that's not very powerful. It's going to $279 at Costco on Black Friday. The Note is a high-end tablet that's fast and has a ton of unique features centered around productivity and creativity. If you don't need the power and additional features then yes, you should have gotten a G-Tab 2. The Nexus 10 is also fast and powerful and slots somewhere in between price wise. That probably would be a better investment for those not looking for the Note's extra benefits. I had a G-Tab I and got rid of it to get the Note primarily for the additional performance and productivity.

mannysroot said:
Hi
I've recently also bought a Samsung note 10.1 - is it worth the extra in comparison to the samsung tab 2 10 inch? I plan to keep it long term so thought the quad core would out last the dual core of the samsung tab 2. But I am now thinking i wont really need all that power?
Thanks
Manny
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Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Manny's Root:
Yes; you've purchased the correct tablet. Although the Tab 2 10.1 falls into a very comfortable price bracket, the hardware of the Note 10.1 more than justifies it's relative expense. While you may not feel as though your specific needs warrant a device as powerful as the Note 10.1, the Note 10.1's raw processing horsepower will leave it sitting pretty with future versions of Android for some time to come. However, the Tab 2 10.1 isn't even as powerful or as well built as it's predecessor. Because of this, I don't see the Tab 2 10.1 receiving many updates after it gets Jelly Bean. As a matter of fact, I would be really surprised if Samsung decided to update the Tab 2 10.1 to Jelly Bean 4.2. Rather, I suspect the Tab 2 10.1 will stay on Jelly Bean 4.1.* and receive only stability patches, security patches, and bugfixes thereafter. If the Tab 2 10.1 does indeed receive a Samsung update to Jelly Bean 4.2, I would expect it to be the last. With Android's hardware requirements becoming ever more stringent, it was foolish for Samsung to release a device as underpowered as the Tab 2 10.1. Furthermore, the release of the Tab 2 10.1 marks the only occasion I can remember in which the device is less powerful and/or less desireable than the device it is supposed to be replacing. The original Tab 10.1 is superior to the Tab 2 10.1 in almost every respect. In my opinion, the only thing Samsung got right with the Tab 2 10.1 is the forward-facing speakers.
So, to sum things up, if you indeed have a Note 10.1, you've made a very solid investment and you have decidedly good taste. I wish you the best. I hope you enjoy your tablet. Take care and have a good one!
Thank you,
Ed (Mister_Mxyzptlk)
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Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Manny's Root:
Furthermore, the release of the Tab 2 10.1 marks the only occasion I can remember in which the device is less powerful and/or less desireable than the device it is supposed to be replacing. The original Tab 10.1 is superior upgrade uto the Tab 2 10.1 in almost every respect
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I almost agree. yes some things were a downgrade but definitely not the processor or GPU. No it doesn't have flash for the camera. But the OMAP does hold its own, the setup is actually pretty decent and it runs circles around Tegra 2, and can be put against Tegra 3. The main problem is touchwiz; it just bogs down the system, not to unusability, but it is noticeable. Put the Jellybean on it, and it's more smooth. Put AOKP on it and it flies better than the note with ICS. Plays games real smooth also. But other than that, what comes out of the box isnt impressive compared to what was being released at the current time. Not everyone wants to hack their tablet to get a good experience though, it is expected to come with one.

Who has to hack their device to get it running right? I've been sto k since day 1 and my Note 10.1 is fast, fluid, and never shows any lag. For me, this version of touchwiz doesn't slowdown device at all. Never had any issues. Note 10.1 IS FAR superior hardware wise to tab2.
If you want a cheaper tablet that performs great, get a Nexus 7 then. Its still one of the best. If not THE BEST. All around android tablet. A very popular device with xda users and several tech sites. I'd get a Nexus 7 over tab2 anyday if price was a factor.

This tablet is awesome. The pen alone sets it apart from all others and hardware is great too. Screen resolution is the only disappointment in my opinion but I understand the wacom grid for the pen creates limitations in that regard so I can live with lower resolution in return for the awesome pen.
I had a tab 2, they are ok if you're on a budget but if you want to keep costs down a nexus 7 32gb would be a better option. 16gb just isn't enough in my opinion. The omap 440 processor in the tab 2 is getting quite old now and wasn't exactly a top of the line performer on release.
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ok so by the sounds of it stick with the galaxy note 10.1
To be honest the price difference between them was approx £65 - one of the reasons I questioned whether it was the right tab was because the screen resolution wasnt any improvement over the tab 2
thanks for the advice guys

I meant hacking tab 2, and yes it's that annoying. Try one yourself. The note 10.1 is great, fluid etc but still lags a bit on ICS. Most, if not all, is fixed with 4.1
Try pinch zooming your home screen
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fishguts said:
I almost agree. yes some things were a downgrade but definitely not the processor or GPU. No it doesn't have flash for the camera. But the OMAP does hold its own, the setup is actually pretty decent and it runs circles around Tegra 2, and can be put against Tegra 3. The main problem is touchwiz; it just bogs down the system, not to unusability, but it is noticeable. Put the Jellybean on it, and it's more smooth. Put AOKP on it and it flies better than the note with ICS. Plays games real smooth also. But other than that, what comes out of the box isnt impressive compared to what was being released at the current time. Not everyone wants to hack their tablet to get a good experience though, it is expected to come with one.
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Runs circles around the Tegra 2? WTF have you been reading?!
GTab 2 10.1 & OG GTab 10.1 Benchmarks:
http://db.tt/XhBmQA3y
Looks like it marginally beats the Tegra 2's CPU and gets spanked by the Tegra 2's GPU. I don't know what I'd call that, but I certainly wouldn't call that running circles around the Tegra 2.
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To be honest, if you have bought a tab and are asking this question then I believe you may have bought the wrong tab... I looked up both, weighed the pro's & cons and decided the note 10.1 was what I needed... If you are questioning that then either you didn't do the research or just got hung up on the extra features.
If you have the option to return with no problems and get a new tab then do so, it may be you will try the new tab and decide that the grass really was greener on the other side....
In Oz we have no such policies. What we buy we are stuck with. The only way to get our $$$ back is to sell on ebay...

[Q] Should I get a Galaxy note 10.1 or the new 8.0?

I only have 8 days to decide which one I want.
I always have been atracted to 10.1 tablets the only thing it makes me wonder about getting the 8.0 is that is newer + a little bit more faster.
Can you all tell me how is the tablet? never used it.. Is it good? fast? smooth? Can be flashed to be much better?
At first I was a little bit in between ipad or samsung but I decided samsung, now I'm between theses 2

The speed difference between the Not 8 and Note 10.1 is negligible, you'll appreciate the extra real estate space afforded by the 10.1 for S Pen apps.

The spen on the Note 10.1 is what sets it apart from all other tablets. If you have no interest in using a stylus, then any of the other Galaxy Tabs will give you the same experience.

rtan73 said:
The spen on the Note 10.1 is what sets it apart from all other tablets. If you have no interest in using a stylus, then any of the other Galaxy Tabs will give you the same experience.
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You do realize 8.0 has the S-Pen, too, right?

Sorry, I for some reason I was thinking of the Galaxy Tab.
So to the original question, I would agree with the other post about the speed being negligible. It really depends on what you are using the tablet for. I use my 10.1 for sketching, and the 10" is a good size for that.

hi
yesterday i got my 10.1 and i did see one more ie the 8 if im right this one is 8 inch then id say its is better to have a bigger screen i was using a 7inch tab and really wanted a bigger one i wasn't all that impressed with the 8 inch one so i feel did the right thing in getting the 10.1 this is just FYI on my decision to buy the 10.1
i also did see other brand in the same size but this one blew me away man yes it was way 2 costly for me but i just fel in love with it and got it and in my country(india) their was a CC offer with 9 months interest free payment yes no processing fee and no interest so i just piked it up :laugh::laugh:
and im loving it man:good::laugh::laugh:

I have to think for overall use, the Note 10.1 will trump the 8.0.

rtan73 said:
Sorry, I for some reason I was thinking of the Galaxy Tab.
So to the original question, I would agree with the other post about the speed being negligible. It really depends on what you are using the tablet for. I use my 10.1 for sketching, and the 10" is a good size for that.
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I definetely made my mind.
I'm getting the 10.1 Galaxy note mostly 'cause the processor is almost the same as the 8 (quadcore 1,4 vs 1,6) and my main concerned: the size. I'm really excited to watch series on the tablet and with the speakers will be a very cool experience

No Type of Develpment For the Tab 3 7" T211

it sad to say but its the truth, when it comes to the Tab 3 7" T211 theres NO Development out, I have held off for awhile but just couldn't take the lags on the gaming aspect of it. so I sold it and purchased the Galaxy tab 3 8" T311 Version, and I'm not looking back, this device (T311) is awesome, I dont understand why the Tab 3 7" T211 doesn't come with 4.2.2 out the box like the T311, the T311 is much smoother and a lot less laggy so the gaming is great. Plus theres ALOT of development which is very important to me. I just figured to put my 2 cents out there. The best of luck to all the ppl still stuck with the T211, I got out of that situation QUICKLY... :cyclops:

[email protected] said:
it sad to say but its the truth, when it comes to the Tab 3 7" T211 theres NO Development out, I have held off for awhile but just couldn't take the lags on the gaming aspect of it. so I sold it and purchased the Galaxy tab 3 8" T311 Version, and I'm not looking back, this device (T311) is awesome, I dont understand why the Tab 3 7" T211 doesn't come with 4.2.2 out the box like the T311, the T311 is much smoother and a lot less laggy so the gaming is great. Plus theres ALOT of development which is very important to me. I just figured to put my 2 cents out there. The best of luck to all the ppl still stuck with the T211, I got out of that situation QUICKLY... :cyclops:
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I might do the same.

Yes you SHOULD
The reason i say this is simple. Most of these Devs do there Research Before they go out and buy there devices (something I should have Done), I know they seen the specs and viewed the videos out on the 7" version, IT SUCKSSSS...!!! I wish i would have seen the reviews before purchasing it my self, however we live and we learn, there isn't any development because the majority of devs stood clear of this particular device, because it SUCKSSSS. I was lucky to not have lost out on my t211, i TWEAKED it a bit and installed unlimited tethering and hooked it up to get Paid Apps and Movies for free, this is why i got a bit more than what i paid for it , thats when i went out and bought the T311, I highly recommend it...!!! The best of luck to you Buddy...
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angel4rent said:
I might do the same.
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[email protected] said:
The reason i say this is simple. Most of these Devs do there Research Before they go out and buy there devices (something I should have Done), I know they seen the specs and viewed the videos out on the 7" version, IT SUCKSSSS...!!! I wish i would have seen the reviews before purchasing it my self, however we live and we learn, there isn't any development because the majority of devs stood clear of this particular device, because it SUCKSSSS. I was lucky to not have lost out on my t211, i TWEAKED it a bit and installed unlimited tethering and hooked it up to get Paid Apps and Movies for free, this is why i got a bit more than what i paid for it , thats when i went out and bought the T311, I highly recommend it...!!! The best of luck to you Buddy...
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The entire Tab 3 line just isn't worth it. I am actually flabbergasted at those who defend their purchases, awe stricken-ed even. Unfortunately, I also made the mistake of grabbing one do to a horrible recommendation from a sales rep at Best Buy, I bought the 10.1 version. It turned out to be the biggest hunk of junk I have ever had the misfortune of owning, antiquated resolution, laggy as all hell, only 300MB of free memory for apps upon a clean reboot(that is just disgusting and frankly uber cheap of Samsung to have not added an additional 1GB of ram for a 300 dollar tablet ) , scratches if you breath on it, yeah I returned it and bought a Nexus 10, freaking awesome tablet, 10x faster across the board and it cheaper.
I know the 7 inch model costs only 150 bucks but for 50 to 80 dollars more you can get a real tablet that is sooooo much faster like; Kindle 7 HDX (there is a fantastic AOSP ROM available), it has a Qualcomm 800 CPU, 2GB RAM, HDMI out and 1920 x 1200 resolution, Nexus 7 also with a Qualcommo CPU, 2GB of RAM awesome Android experience since it doesn't contain any of that Touchwiz bloatware and 1080P resolution, EVGA Note 7, Tegra 4 CPU, active digitizer, HDMI out and also has pure android (this tablet is perfect for those who love to game, just connect a Bluetooth game-pad to it and then to your TV via the HDMI, friggen insanely fast console machine), HP Slate 7 Extreme, also a Tegra 4 CPU, fantastic build quality and the best part, it only costs 180 dollars.
So if you buy the Samsung Tab 3 7 instead of any of the better tablets I listed above there is something really wrong with you. Even if money is an issue you can't tell me you can't find at least an additional 30 dollars for the HP.
I'm sorry for the troll tone of my post but I am just so tired of Samsung trying to shove these crappy sub-par tablets down our throats, especially at the prices their asking, what's even more insulting is that the Tab series hasn't seen much improvement since their introduction, inexcusable.

So Gaming on this tab is just a HELL !
Right ?
OMG !
I was going to sell one of my beast (the Note 8.0) for money reasons (I need some quick cashes right now ) and buy the SM-T210
What do you suggest for me ?
On this thread a guy said Gaming on Tab 3 7.0 was NOT so harmful. He was able to play Asphalt 8 on HIGH Graphics, can you confirm please (OP) ?
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In fact my Tab 2 8" actually ran better than my Tab 3 10.1, inexcusable.
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Your Tab 3 8" can NOT run better than Tab 3 10.1 since your Tab 3 8.0 have a Exynos Dual CPU w/ Mali-400MP4 (4 Cores GPU) 1,5GB RAM
While Tab 3 10.1 have an Intel x86 CPU which runs 30% faster than the ARM based Exynos Dual !
Intel Z2560 is an i586 or x86 while Exynos Dual is an ARM based CPU.
Mali-400PM4 should perform better than PowerVR SGX544MP2 (w/ 2 Cores and found on Tab 3 10.1). Btw, the performance of the Mali-400 GPU w/ 4Cores is NOT as much as better than the PowerVR SGX544 w/ only 2 Cores.
The Tab 3 10.1 Scores approximately 30,000 Antutu score ! (even better than the S4 which scores approximatelty 28,000 to 29,000)
While the Tab 3 8.0 scores approximately 10,000 points in Antutu test.
By the way, Antutu and Quadrant doesn't prove the Real performance about the device PERFORMANCE
If the Tab 3 10.1 had at least 1,5GB RAM it would the FASTEST device released yet !
The crucial thing is the 32 Bits arch CPU of Tab 3 10.1 vs an ARM arch CPU on the Tab 3 8.0
With this CPU, the Tab 3 10.1 perform even better than Note 8.0 and Note 10.1
You can hate it, You can say everything you want, Tab 3 10.1 perform slightly better than most of devices (only Note 3 and Tegra 4/Tegra K1 devices can pass).

Nonta72 said:
So Gaming on this tab is just a HELL !
Right ?
OMG !
I was going to sell one of my beast (the Note 8.0) for money reasons (I need some quick cashes right now ) and buy the SM-T210
What do you suggest for me ?
On this thread a guy said Gaming on Tab 3 7.0 was NOT so harmful. He was able to play Asphalt 8 on HIGH Graphics, can you confirm please (OP) ?
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Skip the 7" Tab 3, you will only punish yourself. Buy the HP 7 Extreme, it's a Tegra 4, pretty much the fastest CPU & GPU combo you can get right now for gaming and it only costs 30 dollars more than the Tab 3, plus your not stuck with that horrid resolution. The build quality is also much, much better. The Tab 3 7" is just a cheap piece of crap. don't even consider it, in fact, run, run away as fast as you can.

No development for this device !
calden74 said:
Skip the 7" Tab 3, you will only punish yourself. Buy the HP 7 Extreme, it's a Tegra 4, pretty much the fastest CPU & GPU combo you can get right now for gaming and it only costs 30 dollars more than the Tab 3, plus your not stuck with that horrid resolution. The build quality is also much, much better. The Tab 3 7" is just a cheap piece of crap. don't even consider it, in fact, run, run away as fast as you can.
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Have you seen any forum for this device here on XDA ?
Not sure if it does exist because I found NONE
So that's firstly very important !
A device w/o Custom ROM can NOT spend 2 days w/ me since I randomnly flash ROMS
Rooting this device is itself a PAIN in the ASS !
So this is NOT the perfect one for me.
Maybe the Tab 3 8.0 but I am NOT going to buy an unknown device (at least unknown for XDA Community).
Thx anyway for your suggest !
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Nonta72 said:
So Gaming on this tab is just a HELL !
Right ?
OMG !
I was going to sell one of my beast (the Note 8.0) for money reasons (I need some quick cashes right now ) and buy the SM-T210
What do you suggest for me ?
On this thread a guy said Gaming on Tab 3 7.0 was NOT so harmful. He was able to play Asphalt 8 on HIGH Graphics, can you confirm please (OP) ?
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Your Tab 3 8" can NOT run better than Tab 3 10.1 since your Tab 3 8.0 have a Exynos Dual CPU w/ Mali-400MP4 (4 Cores GPU) 1,5GB RAM
While Tab 3 10.1 have an Intel x86 CPU which runs 30% faster than the ARM based Exynos Dual !
Intel Z2560 is an i586 or x86 while Exynos Dual is an ARM based CPU.
Mali-400PM4 should perform better than PowerVR SGX544MP2 (w/ 2 Cores and found on Tab 3 10.1). Btw, the performance of the Mali-400 GPU w/ 4Cores is NOT as much as better than the PowerVR SGX544 w/ only 2 Cores.
The Tab 3 10.1 Scores approximately 30,000 Antutu score ! (even better than the S4 which scores approximatelty 28,000 to 29,000)
While the Tab 3 8.0 scores approximately 10,000 points in Antutu test.
By the way, Antutu and Quadrant doesn't prove the Real performance about the device PERFORMANCE
If the Tab 3 10.1 had at least 1,5GB RAM it would the FASTEST device released yet !
The crucial thing is the 32 Bits arch CPU of Tab 3 10.1 vs an ARM arch CPU on the Tab 3 8.0
With this CPU, the Tab 3 10.1 perform even better than Note 8.0 and Note 10.1
You can hate it, You can say everything you want, Tab 3 10.1 perform slightly better than most of devices (only Note 3 and Tegra 4/Tegra K1 devices can pass).
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On paper and in benchmark testing yes, absolutely, the 10.1 smokes my older 8, but in the real world, not so much, the 10.1 is just too laggy. With CM10 installed on my Tab 2 8" it's a very smooth experience, I have a lot more memory available when surfing and for apps. The Tab 3 10.1 literally has only 180MB of memory available once I have Gmail and Chrome up, Chrome constantly has to refresh the tabs that are opened. It's not a good tablet or the Touchwiz build that's installed is just not optimized, whatever the case may be my older 8" is a much more enjoyable experience. Especially with apps like Pinterest, Flipboard, Chrome, even Photoshop Touch runs better, actually PS Touch is unusable on the 10.1. Look, I 'm not a prick, I actually like Samsung tablets when their good. My Nexus 10 is just an incredible tablet, it's so much better than the Tab 3 10.1 that I have to wonder what the hell Samsung was even thinking, I mean it's like night and day. Fantastic resolution (much, much better than the Tab 3 10.1), it feels faster, actually a lot faster across the board, better build quality, gaming is just wonderful on it (for instance I get 9 FPS when playing MC4 on the Tab 3, the Nexus, 30+ and it's 2 times the resolution so what's going on), HDMI out, no bloatware and it was 30 dollars cheaper. So please tell me what the hell was Samsung trying to pull, I'm sorry but the Tab 3 10.1 is a piece of garbage and until Samsung fixes the firmware and I have to stand by that statement.
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Nonta72 said:
Have you seen any forum for this device here on XDA ?
Not sure if it does exist because I found NONE
So that's firstly very important !
A device w/o Custom ROM can NOT spend 2 days w/ me since I randomnly flash ROMS
Rooting this device is itself a PAIN in the ASS !
So this is NOT the perfect one for me.
Maybe the Tab 3 8.0 but I am NOT going to buy an unknown device (at least unknown for XDA Community).
Thx anyway for your suggest !
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It's a brand new device, barely a couple of weeks old so it will be a month before we will see any XDA forums on it. HP keeps it's ROMS pretty close to stock, plus with that monster CPU & GPU there really isn't much in the way of customization that will make it any faster. If customization is your thing than you can't get any better than the Nexus 7. Have you looked at the Kindle HDX, Qualcomm 800, 2GB RAM, HDMI out, that thing trounces all of the Tab 3 models, it's a monster plus it has a really nice AOSP ROM available. I just bought one as a reader but it was so fast that I now also use it as a gaming console. Yes gaming console, since it has a built in HDMI out with a true 1080p out desktop I paired a PlayStation 3 game-pad and I now have the perfect mobile gaming system. All for 200 bucks, Tab 3, yeah right, you would have to be out of your mind to buy that instead of a Kindle HDX, there is zero comparison. I also get between 12 - 14 hours of battery with it when just reading or surfing, unheard of for a 7" tablet. Why is Samsung Tab 3 even in your list of possibilities, especially when there are so many more better tablets out there, there just not good tablets. Every reviewer has said the same thing about every model, lag, antiquated, expensive for what you get, etc. I'm not the only one here that is advising against them. The top two 7" tablets on the market today is the Nexus 7 and Kindle HDX, great tablets as well as fantastic value, especially when compared to the Tab3. Their obsolete the second you take it out of the box, why would you want to do that to your self, to save a few dollars, not worth the aggravation in my book, the development is even poor for them. Enough talk, I have said my peace on the matter, it's your money, I'm just trying to help. if you you feel that 2012 technology for 2014 prices is your bag, than go for it.

What do you mean by Tab 2 8" ?
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On paper and in benchmark testing yes, absolutely, the 10.1 smokes my older 8, but in the real world, not so much, the 10.1 is just too laggy. With CM10 installed on my Tab 2 8" it's a very smooth experience, I have a lot more memory available when surfing and for apps. The Tab 3 10.1 literally has only 180MB of memory available once I have Gmail and Chrome up, Chrome constantly has to refresh the tabs that are opened. It's not a good tablet or the Touchwiz build that's installed is just not optimized, whatever the case may be my older 8" is a much more enjoyable experience. Especially with apps like Pinterest, Flipboard, Chrome, even Photoshop Touch runs better, actually PS Touch is unusable on the 10.1. Look, I 'm not a prick, I actually like Samsung tablets when their good. My Nexus 10 is just an incredible tablet, it's so much better than the Tab 3 10.1 that I have to wonder what the hell Samsung was even thinking, I mean it's like night and day. Fantastic resolution (much, much better than the Tab 3 10.1), it feels faster, actually a lot faster across the board, better build quality, gaming is just wonderful on it (for instance I get 9 FPS when playing MC4 on the Tab 3, the Nexus, 30+ and it's 2 times the resolution so what's going on), HDMI out, no bloatware and it was 30 dollars cheaper. So please tell me what the hell was Samsung trying to pull, I'm sorry but the Tab 3 10.1 is a piece of garbage and until Samsung fixes the firmware and I have to stand by that statement.
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You keep saying Tab 2 8" ! While this device desn't exist at all ! Maybe Note 8.0 or Tab 3 8.0
For info, the Nexus 10 have an Exynos Dual (Exynos 5250) which perform 50% better than Excynos Dual 4212 !
Mali-604 GPU is just a Beast (I admit it) and is 50% better than Mali-400MP4 and PowerVR SGX544 w/ 3 Cores.
Don't forget, the Nexus 10 use a Google stock OS (like CM) while Tab 3 10.1 use a Samsung TouchWizz ROM. The full system package of Nexus 10 should NOT be bigger than 400MB while Samsung firmwares always exeed 500MB.
Nexus 10 have 2GB while Tab 3 10.1 have only 1 !
Mali-T604 is the Fastest GPU after Adreno 330, Mali-T628, nVidia ULP GeForce Tegra 4 and Tegra K1.
So don't Compare this to a PowerVR SGX544 !
Cortex-A15 is a HIGH-END feature after Krait.
All these just prove, that the Nexus should perform slightly better than Tab 3 10.1 in Gaming.
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You keep saying Tab 2 8" ! While this device desn't exist at all ! Maybe Note 8.0 or Tab 3 8.0
For info, the Nexus 10 have an Exynos Dual (Exynos 5250) which perform 50% better than Excynos Dual 4212 !
Mali-604 GPU is just a Beast (I admit it) and is 50% better than Mali-400MP4 and PowerVR SGX544 w/ 3 Cores.
Don't forget, the Nexus 10 use a Google stock OS (like CM) while Tab 3 10.1 use a Samsung TouchWizz ROM. The full system package of Nexus 10 should NOT be bigger than 400MB while Samsung firmwares always exeed 500MB.
Nexus 10 have 2GB while Tab 3 10.1 have only 1 !
Mali-T604 is the Fastest GPU after Adreno 330, Mali-T628, nVidia ULP GeForce Tegra 4 and Tegra K1.
So don't Compare this to a PowerVR SGX544 !
Cortex-A15 is a HIGH-END feature after Krait.
All these just prove, that the Nexus should perform slightly better than Tab 3 10.1 in Gaming.
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You right, I always call it 8", it's actually 7.7" http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab/mobile/7.7/spec.html. I know the specs of the two 10.1 tablets, why am I spending more for the Tab 3 10.1 then the Nexus 10, especially when one is clearly much, much better than the other. I just think that Samsung is cheating it's customers with Tab 3 series and I can't recommend it to anyone, especially when there are clearly better models out there. Oh and because of the poor memory issue with the Tab 3 the Nexus wipes the floor with it when it comes to gaming, I can't play even play games like Most Wanted without wanting to throw the thing across the room due to frustration. It's very laggy, jerky, horrible, maybe it will be much better after the 4.4.2 update, if that ever comes, another issue that Samsung is plagued with, llllooooooonnnnnngggg update periods.I think I will only buy Nexus Android devices for now on, best value, always get the newest updates quickly and they're fast.

The T311 is Better than the T211
I purchased these devices instead of the others you mentioned cause the T211 & T311 are NOT ONLY tablets but Phones as well, so its my back up Phone if Im going on Vaction with my Family or on a road trip, I have the Note 3, now thats a Device...!!! And Samsung made it. lol. However Im not saying that Nexus 7 line isnt a Great gaming Device cause i have it as well (2013 & its awesome), gave it to my 9yr old to play his Minecraft. Im just STATING the FACT, the T311 has no lag like the T211. That a fact, and it comes with 4.2.2 out the Box, instead of 4.1.2.. Ending this by saying that Im VERY happy with my T311...
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The entire Tab 3 line just isn't worth it. I am actually flabbergasted at those who defend their purchases, awe stricken-ed even. Unfortunately, I also made the mistake of grabbing one do to a horrible recommendation from a sales rep at Best Buy, I bought the 10.1 version. It turned out to be the biggest hunk of junk I have ever had the misfortune of owning, antiquated resolution, laggy as all hell, only 300MB of free memory for apps upon a clean reboot(that is just disgusting and frankly uber cheap of Samsung to have not added an additional 1GB of ram for a 300 dollar tablet ) , scratches if you breath on it, yeah I returned it and bought a Nexus 10, freaking awesome tablet, 10x faster across the board and it cheaper.
I know the 7 inch model costs only 150 bucks but for 50 to 80 dollars more you can get a real tablet that is sooooo much faster like; Kindle 7 HDX (there is a fantastic AOSP ROM available), it has a Qualcomm 800 CPU, 2GB RAM, HDMI out and 1920 x 1200 resolution, Nexus 7 also with a Qualcommo CPU, 2GB of RAM awesome Android experience since it doesn't contain any of that Touchwiz bloatware and 1080P resolution, EVGA Note 7, Tegra 4 CPU, active digitizer, HDMI out and also has pure android (this tablet is perfect for those who love to game, just connect a Bluetooth game-pad to it and then to your TV via the HDMI, friggen insanely fast console machine), HP Slate 7 Extreme, also a Tegra 4 CPU, fantastic build quality and the best part, it only costs 180 dollars.
So if you buy the Samsung Tab 3 7 instead of any of the better tablets I listed above there is something really wrong with you. Even if money is an issue you can't tell me you can't find at least an additional 30 dollars for the HP.
I'm sorry for the troll tone of my post but I am just so tired of Samsung trying to shove these crappy sub-par tablets down our throats, especially at the prices their asking, what's even more insulting is that the Tab series hasn't seen much improvement since their introduction, inexcusable.
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You clearly hate Tab 3 Series (7" to 10") !!!
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You right, I always call it 8", it's actually 7.7" http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab/mobile/7.7/spec.html. I know the specs of the two 10.1 tablets, why am I spending more for the Tab 3 10.1 then the Nexus 10, especially when one is clearly much, much better than the other. I just think that Samsung is cheating it's customers with Tab 3 series and I can't recommend it to anyone, especially when there are clearly better models out there. Oh and because of the poor memory issue with the Tab 3 the Nexus wipes the floor with it when it comes to gaming, I can't play even play games like Most Wanted without wanting to throw the thing across the room due to frustration. It's very laggy, jerky, horrible, maybe it will be much better after the 4.4.2 update, if that ever comes, another issue that Samsung is plagued with, llllooooooonnnnnngggg update periods.I think I will only buy Nexus Android devices for now on, best value, always get the newest updates quickly and they're fast.
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You canNOT compare Tab 7.7 to Tab 3 8" or Tab 3 10.1
These new devices have faster CPUs than Tab 7.7 !
The sexiest thing on Tab 7.7 is that it have an Amoled HD display ! which make picture quality completely better than any Tab (including your so loved Nexus 7, 7 2 and 10).
For its Amoled HD screen I would buy this Tab instead of my retired Note 8.0 if it was available in the same Store in place.
BUT, about performance: Tab 3 8 and 10 are cleary better. Tab 7.7 uses old version of Exynos Dual while Tab 3 8 uses the new Exynos Dual
And about Tab 3 10, this obviously better :good:
Another thing is firmware, Tab 7.7 support (for stable or official release) Android 4.1.2.
While Tab 3 8 and 10 comes out with Jelly Bean 4.2.2.
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You canNOT compare Tab 7.7 to Tab 3 8" or Tab 3 10.1
These new devices have faster CPUs than Tab 7.7 !
The sexiest thing on Tab 7.7 is that it have an Amoled HD display ! which make picture quality completely better than any Tab (including your so loved Nexus 7, 7 2 and 10).
For its Amoled HD screen I would buy this Tab instead of my retired Note 8.0 if it was available in the same Store in place.
BUT, about performance: Tab 3 8 and 10 are cleary better. Tab 7.7 uses old version of Exynos Dual while Tab 3 8 uses the new Exynos Dual
And about Tab 3 10, this obviously better :good:
Another thing is firmware, Tab 7.7 support (for stable or official release) Android 4.1.2.
While Tab 3 8 and 10 comes out with Jelly Bean 4.2.2.
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My whole point was, yes, on paper the Tab 3 10.1 might seem faster but do to the lack of optimization on Samsung's part, the lag just kills the entire experience, it's really bad. The tablet is also cheaply built with a subpar screen. I have almost zero lag on my older 7.7, it hums right along. It doesn't matter, I returned the awfull tablet that is the Tab 3 10.1 and I bought a Nexus 10. Better on every level and I even paid 30 dollars less for it. I also got a Kindle HDX a week ago, my god is that one of the best tablets I have ever purchased, I also got an Otter case wich is built like a friggen tank. I flashed it with an AOSP rom and I could't be happier. I bought it to just use it as a reader but since it has a built in HDMI, I now also use it as a gaming console for my kids and I as well as a multimedia gadget for the TV. Best 7 inch tablet out there bar none, well maybe untill Opo comes out with their little monster. The more I play with the Kindle HDX the more I want the 8.9 version as well, so I will probably give the 7" to the kids as it's cheaper than a PS4 (they have an Xbox anyway) and buy the 8.9 LTE 64GB version for my self.
I never played with the 8 inch version of the Tab 3 just the 7" and 10.1". I'm glad you liked it though, it's important to find something you like, Going further though, I will stay away from Samsung's middle tier line for now on, I gave it shot and wasn't impressed with the build quality or speed. The competition just has so much more to offer in that price range. Even paying just 50 to 100 dollars more for a tablet gets you so much more that it's a no brainer. If someone can't afford the little extra cash, then they should defiantly save or buy from eBay. In the case of the Nexus 10 though, the better tablet turned out to be cheaper. It really is a much better tablet, I wonder why Samsung even bothered releasing a 10.1 version when they already had the Nexus 10, especially a 10.1 version that was so inferior and more expensive, crazy.

Awesome ! Samsung TouchWizz UI !
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My whole point was, yes, on paper the Tab 3 10.1 might seem faster but do to the lack of optimization on Samsung's part, the lag just kills the entire experience, it's really bad. The tablet is also cheaply built with a subpar screen. I have almost zero lag on my older 7.7, it hums right along. It doesn't matter, I returned the awfull tablet that is the Tab 3 10.1 and I bought a Nexus 10. Better on every level and I even paid 30 dollars less for it. I also got a Kindle HDX a week ago, my god is that one of the best tablets I have ever purchased, I also got an Otter case wich is built like a friggen tank. I flashed it with an AOSP rom and I could't be happier. I bought it to just use it as a reader but since it has a built in HDMI, I now also use it as a gaming console for my kids and I as well as a multimedia gadget for the TV. Best 7 inch tablet out there bar none, well maybe untill Opo comes out with their little monster. The more I play with the Kindle HDX the more I want the 8.9 version as well, so I will probably give the 7" to the kids as it's cheaper than a PS4 (they have an Xbox anyway) and buy the 8.9 LTE 64GB version for my self.
I never played with the 8 inch version of the Tab 3 just the 7" and 10.1". I'm glad you liked it though, it's important to find something you like, Going further though, I will stay away from Samsung's middle tier line for now on, I gave it shot and wasn't impressed with the build quality or speed. The competition just has so much more to offer in that price range. Even paying just 50 to 100 dollars more for a tablet gets you so much more that it's a no brainer. If someone can't afford the little extra cash, then they should defiantly save or buy from eBay. In the case of the Nexus 10 though, the better tablet turned out to be cheaper. It really is a much better tablet, I wonder why Samsung even bothered releasing a 10.1 version when they already had the Nexus 10, especially a 10.1 version that was so inferior and more expensive, crazy.
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I will always pick Samsung Dual Core Tablet having the same price as a Dell Tablet :silly:
The thing is that SAMSUNG is just a GIANT. Just admit it
HardCore Gamers always go with nVidia Chipsets (like Tab 1 10.1, Nexus 7 and so on)
Idk what I am going to tell you more.
One question: Are you a Tablet seller/reseller ?
Because you had Tab 3, Tab 7.7 and now you've Nexus 10 and HDX at the same time !
Two monsters (as you stated) at the same time is like making a 3 way SLI which really is a Money wasting
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I will always pick Samsung Dual Core Tablet having the same price as a Dell Tablet :silly:
The thing is that SAMSUNG is just a GIANT. Just admit it
HardCore Gamers always go with nVidia Chipsets (like Tab 1 10.1, Nexus 7 and so on)
Idk what I am going to tell you more.
One question: Are you a Tablet seller/reseller ?
Because you had Tab 3, Tab 7.7 and now you've Nexus 10 and HDX at the same time !
Two monsters (as you stated) at the same time is like making a 3 way SLI which really is a Money wasting
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Being giant is part of their problem, they continue to release subpar tablets for a premium. Though the Tab 3 7" is now 150 dollars, when it was first released Samsung was charging 200 for it. In what world is a Samsung 7" Tab 3 even come close to being competitive to say a Nexus 7 at the same price. I never mentioned Dell in this thread but now that you have brought it up, the Dell Venue 7 Android Tablet now costs 150 dollars and it's a much better tablet. You get the same Intel CPU that is in the Tab 3 10.1, 2GB ram, 16GB SSD, 1280 x 800 and much better build quality, actually because of the additional Gig of memory and the unmolested Android OS it also faster than the Tab 3 10.1, go figure.
Gamers would also be well fitted with a tablet that has a Qualcomm CPU like the Nexus 7 or Kindle HDX. My whole thing is why would anyone buy a Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 7", when there are much better options for the same price and extremely great options for only 50 dollars more, like the EVGA Note 7 with the newTegra 4 CPU and an active pen digitizer.
The tab 3 10.1 I returned and bought a Nexus 10, the Samsung 7.7 I've had for almost two years which I have now retired and replaced it with a Kindle HDX. It will go up on eBay this week. So I only have two tablets, well actually three, I also have a Nokia 2520 Windows 8 tablet which I use for work, it's more of a laptop though as I use it mostly with the keyboard case which also has a battery in it. I get 16 hours of battery which I need as I travel a lot.

We should close thread right here !
You HATE Samsung devices, that's clear now
So just buy the one which suit you. I am happy with my Tab 3 10.1 and My Note 2.
My CM base ROM for Tab 3 10.1 is coming soon...
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Nonta72 said:
We should close thread right here !
You HATE Samsung devices, that's clear now
So just buy the one which suit you. I am happy with my Tab 3 10.1 and My Note 2.
My CM base ROM for Tab 3 10.1 is coming soon...
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What part of I bought a Nexus 10, a Samsung made tablet, don't you understand. I like Samsung products just fine, I have 3 TV's by them, a 55" (living room), a 42" (bedroom) and 32" (daughters bedroom), son has a Sony, Chromebox & 3 Chromebook's(kids and my wife all have one), a Tab 7.7, Nexus 10, Note 3 and my wife and kids all have S4's. So I do like their products, in fact you can say we are a Samsung loving family, why do you think I am so critical towards the Tab 3 series, it was so disappointing to me that Samsung could produce such tripe. Good luck with your custom ROM, the Tab 3 10.1 is in desperate need of a clean Android build.

I am just waiting for kikat update
i know after kitkat update galaxy tab 7 inch will become super fast !

In your dreams
abart83 said:
i know after kitkat update galaxy tab 7 inch will become super fast !
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You can still HOPE but it may not get KitKat Update :silly:
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You can still HOPE but it may not get KitKat Update :silly:
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i heard someone has contact samsung,
and he get answer that galaxy tab 3 so on wil get kitkat.
i hope we will get more costume rom like tab 2