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As a new Android user who is very familiar with the command line and with Linux/Unix environments, I still feel extremely overwhelmed with the amount of 'fixes' and 'root' hacks going around.
I've played with linux for 100's of hours and have broken the install and fixed it...
But this is a phone that bricks, not a computer. I don't like playing "oh I'll just try this and see what happens" with my $400 phone.
Plus I honestly can't determine which one is best for me.
I started this thread so that someone could assist me in creating a guide for what you want to do and what is best to do it.
For example, I want to upgrade to Froyo when it releases.
In the mean time I want to install a lag-fix/ custom rom.
mymansionisabox said:
As a new Android user who is very familiar with the command line and with Linux/Unix environments, I still feel extremely overwhelmed with the amount of 'fixes' and 'root' hacks going around.
I've played with linux for 100's of hours and have broken the install and fixed it...
But this is a phone that bricks, not a computer. I don't like playing "oh I'll just try this and see what happens" with my $400 phone.
Plus I honestly can't determine which one is best for me.
I started this thread so that someone could assist me in creating a guide for what you want to do and what is best to do it.
For example, I want to upgrade to Froyo when it releases.
In the mean time I want to install a lag-fix/ custom rom.
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Do people not know how to read stickies? there are guides and how-to's in this section alone. There are more in the development section. If you don't know how to search a forum, I'm not entirely sure you should be messing with your phone's firmware.
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Do people not know how to read stickies? there are guides and how-to's in this section alone. There are more in the development section. If you don't know how to search a forum, I'm not entirely sure you should be messing with your phone's firmware.
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I actually have read all of the stickies.
Im not asking 'how-to' do anything.
What I am saying is that this forum has an absolute overload of 'information' and 'solutions'
There should be a more concise sticky discussing the advantages/disadvantages of each rom/lag fix/flash/recovery/etc. (Or at least about the ones anyone cares about)
If this exists, I sure as hell don't see it.
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I actually have read all of the stickies.
Im not asking 'how-to' do anything.
What I am saying is that this forum has an absolute overload of 'information' and 'solutions'
There should be a more concise sticky discussing the advantages/disadvantages of each rom/lag fix/flash/recovery/etc. (Or at least about the ones anyone cares about)
If this exists, I sure as hell don't see it.
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I think you're in a wrong forum if you want someone to give you any kind of "distilled", spoon-fed info just because you're afraid to mess with your "$400" phone.
Again, to second the other reply, all the info is posted. Just RTFW/S.
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I actually have read all of the stickies.
Im not asking 'how-to' do anything.
What I am saying is that this forum has an absolute overload of 'information' and 'solutions'
There should be a more concise sticky discussing the advantages/disadvantages of each rom/lag fix/flash/recovery/etc. (Or at least about the ones anyone cares about)
If this exists, I sure as hell don't see it.
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there are tons of guides and they're all condensed. I have to agree with the other poster, if you aren't going to take the time to read and learn what you're doing, don't do it. each sticky offering to help you through all of these processes are there for a reason.
There's the "Pimp My Captivate" thread which is exactly what you say you want. And there have been comparisons of each lagfix by Zilch25, clockwork recovery by Koush is clearly explained in his thread, each ROM is discussed in their own thread.
Ironically, you're asking for a sticky so as to have less stickies. Finding out which ROM you want to use is up to you and if you're not going to take the time to figure out what each tool offers or what each base ROM means, then maybe flashing your phone is something you should steer clear of for now.
If you're afraid of bricking it, just do a Nandroid backup. If something goes wrong, then you can just flash back and it'll be A-OK. If you seriously brick your phone and it's 100% messed up, it's probably because you tried to mess it up.
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If you're afraid of bricking it, just do a Nandroid backup. If something goes wrong, then you can just flash back and it'll be A-OK. If you seriously brick your phone and it's 100% messed up, it's probably because you tried to mess it up.
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Even guys that intentionally tried to brick their phone can't do it. I don't have much to say as it already has. Just take the time to read. There is a condensed version of what you can do to your phone, the pimp my captivate. Otherwise there are many different ways of rooting, lax fixes, firmwares to flash etc...so there is not one thing that you can do that will make your decision easier.
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Even guys that intentionally tried to brick their phone can't do it. I don't have much to say as it already has. Just take the time to read. There is a condensed version of what you can do to your phone, the pimp my captivate. Otherwise there are many different ways of rooting, lax fixes, firmwares to flash etc...so there is not one thing that you can do that will make your decision easier.
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don't say that. there have been several confirmed bricks from i9000's using the i897 one-click downloader. While there is no immediate, known, for-certain brick method for your phones... you never know who or what may be the first... always read as much as you can in the threads before you attempt to do anything
As someone who was new to the Captivate scene, but not XDA, just two weeks ago the best advice I can give you is start with the "Pimp my Captivate" PDF file. Read through that and then move forward to other stuff like flashing new firmware and using odin. Trust me you will catch on. I am no move on to working on friends phones for them without any worry of breaking (bricking) them.
Just read, read, read, and sometime read some more. If you have a question about a certain hack, fix, firmware...ect then just ask that question in that thread. Trust me there will be very useful helpful people to answer your questions.
I did what is probably the easiest method. I used unleash the beast and then one click lag fix. That's it and my phone is amazing now. I plan on sitting tight until froyo comes out and whatever the top rom happens to be.
I do appreciate everyone's answers.
Despite that, I really don't understand this particular forum's aversion of being more organized and concise. (imo)
I don't think any of you who told me to read actually understood my intentions of making this post since,although I didn't state it, I have already flashed mods to my Captivate and I have modded my previous phones.
I'm new to XDA so maybe this site is far more trustworthy than where I've been.
I'll check it out and read at least the last 10 pages of each thing that I install.
Thanks though.
Mod please close this thread.
mymansionisabox said:
I do appreciate everyone's answers.
Despite that, I really don't understand this particular forum's aversion of being more organized and concise. (imo)
I don't think any of you who told me to read actually understood my intentions of making this post since,although I didn't state it, I have already flashed mods to my Captivate and I have modded my previous phones.
I'm new to XDA so maybe this site is far more trustworthy than where I've been.
I'll check it out and read at least the last 10 pages of each thing that I install.
Thanks though.
Mod please close this thread.
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we have nothing against being "organized," I just believe your definition of organization is far too complex. You want all the ROMs compared side by side, followed by the tools, and the rooting methods, and the lagfixes and to know which is "best."
Each thing is kept separate from the other because there would be an absolute and definite overload of information in each thread. Look at SRE (a fine example of how to do it properly), he details the result for the end-user and then provides links to where each part of what he did came from. The development section provides a thread on reverting to stock and just that because it should focus on that, rooting can be left for a thread on rooting. SRE shouldn't be tossed into a thread with UTB because they provide different effects.
If you were to compile everything into one big mega-thread, questions would never be answered because there would be far too much crossover. The Pimp My Captivate thread is as good as it gets in that regard, they provide optimizations and suggestions and where to find more information, which is good enough.
I understand.
After this post I am done though, because I'm getting no where with this.
Check out the web page below, this is really what I meant. I can't post links so just close the gap between http:// and ga..
http:// gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/17/osx-netbook-compatib.html
I belong to several forums that had been attempting to put mac osx on netbooks and on one of them a chart of compatibility was compiled, which is similar to what I was suggesting we needed.
Ignore the comments below the chart; that would be unnecessary.
All I was proposing to do was have a locked/stickied thread that only a moderator could change up as new changes/improvements occurred.
Each root/lagfix/rom would have a href connected to their actual thread.
So there would be no need to have comments/ questions asked on that particular page. ****.. it could just be a damn wiki page, but I digress..
If no one thinks that would be beneficial to the community, that is fine.
I don't care, I can easily figure it out myself.
Mod, please close thread.
Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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You have to have a pretty-much rock-stock ROM for this update to work. You could just install attn1's version of the stock ROM with this update already applied, then properly rooted and packaged for installation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058042
After installing, the update screen will show that you are up to date.
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Some one tell me how to update to the picture attached without loosing my current root
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Since Gene has graciously answered your question, may I remind you that this is one of the most common questions asked, over and over. Please do a little searching first.
Thanks!
See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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See I don't won't to have to go back to stock or any of thst stuff why can't I just flash it in hboot
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That is how flash attn1 rom. I think you might have misunderstood. He meant that you could go back to stock stock and apply it. Because if your rooted it will fail to install OR. Apply attn1 rom.
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Attn1's ROM is flashed in hboot because it includes a radio. It is the ota update your phone is trying to get, but with root. He also has one in that same thread with sideloading enabled.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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its probably because to newer users, its a little intimidating to go thru many posts and threads, and they also know some info could be outdated. Maybe on the site, there should be an official, updated "how to" glossary or wiki.
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i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick.
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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I'll tell you why....
Because the question was already answered for one thing.
It's also forum rules, and I've seen it mentioned by Mods a million times.
Community moderation...I let people know in the hopes of breaking a habit before it starts: posting a new thread for every single question that crosses their mind, and, eventually, expect to be given answers to everything, getting even more reluctant to do the "work" of finding answers and learning about their phones on their own.
Next thing you know, we're up to our necks in duplicate posts. Then, NOBODY will want to answer ANYTHING, because they have to wade through 4 tons of duplicate crap, and it ain't worth it.
How hard is it to Google "inspire OTA update root" ?
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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As to the last question: speaking for myself, I am tempted to just ask question, not because I can't effin search, but some of my questions, one has to weed through all manner of material on multiple threads, some pertinent, some not, since February to ascertain "the" answer. This is all well and good and maybe an exercise in disciple, like back in school or something, but maybe some of us just get impatient in an effort to save time. That said, I am fully on board with the forum rules, because da rules are da rules, and this is where one has to come for this sort of stuff :-D.
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Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
I hear ya
Scott_S said:
Oh I agree. Everyone has questions, and everyone has opinions. There are often times wrong/incomplete answers to things, and both yes and no to the same question.
It's not necessarily easy to parse through and distill all of this stuff. But it can be done. I often times run across answers that go both ways, and that can be unsettling, especially if it involves potentially bricking a device if you get it wrong.
It's just a question of analysis, and I concede some people are more comfortable doing it than others. I guess I never expected to be handed all of the answers to basic questions.
I've always preferred searching over posting in asking a question, as it usually always provides the answer *quicker* than waiting for someone to post back an answer to the question.
Not to mention, if it turns out it was a much easier answer to find than first apparent, or that it was one's own oversight responsible for a problem that motivated the question, one can bypass getting antagonized by jerks like me.
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Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
meiguoguizi said:
Just presenting another side...because I can . One side of me just want's to get things done. Another side thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning the ins and outs of my beloved now rooted device by weeding through a community forum of all things...all good!
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Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
Thank You
Scott_S said:
Again, I agree. It really depends on the urgency of the situation. If your phone is boot-looping, it's understandable want to get the thing running again as quickly as possible.
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Yes this. Exactly. 10 words.
Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
gmiusa02 said:
Scott, why must you pretend to be GOD in these forums which you clearly aren't....if the guy wants to ask, let him ask...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways, so i would of done the same exact thing. don't like reading something that is redundant, then go grab the book War and Peace and entertain yourself. I am sure that by the time you are done with it, all items here would be OUTDATED and you will have no choice but to ask questions yourself, which is where i would answer you back with this:
"i really dont get why it bothers some people so much, they respond to threads saying use the search button, people ask it alot. U dont have to respond to the post to begin with, alot of people do though, and with the same effort used to say use the search button, u could have just as easily answered the question.
Best part is if u dont want to answer it because you think they were to lazy to search it gets buried pretty quick."
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I'm not pretending anything. Searching before posting is forum rules, often cited by mods. I happen to feel it's important enough to remind people, and I'm not the only one. It's called community moderation.
No, a lot of stuff does NOT get outdated. Some do, like radio flashing and not needing eng s-off, but others don't, or haven't yet and don't look like they're going to.
For example, rooting remains the same basic process as when it started. One of two methods are available, and likely there won't be any new ground-breaking discoveries, at least for a while. Maybe it will change in the future, but it hasn't yet.
Another example... Until someone makes ATT want to push their otas to rooted devices, the process by which to update one's rooted phone with those OTA updates will remain the same. Etc....
And Google works just fine, better than the built-in search function of many sites.
Saying "I can't search because search sux" is a cop-out, plain and simple.
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...the search feature in this forum sucks anyways...
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Umm, no. At least not on the full site. If you look right above the forum frames (up, up a little more, no down, yeah, there, on the right) you'll see the search you should be using. It searches recursively from wherever you are. Forum home? Searches the whole board. Inspire home? Searches the whole Inspire board. Inspire Dev? Yep, just the dev section. It goes clear down to searching within a thread. Hardly sucky.
I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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I have been rooted for about a month now and have flashed several custom roms but am now back at the stock rooted rom desiring the latest at&t ota update. I read earlier in this thread that because I'm already rooted the update won't install. My question is can I just flash the attn1 rom even though I rooted my device using bubby's root method?
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It should work fine. All attn1's ROM needs is s-off. Bubby's give you that.
I'm not positive but I think att1 updated rooted stock rom w/sideloading is in the form of pd98img.zip file which u need to put on on your SD card but not in a folder. Then turn off fastboot in settings, power off your phone, then while holding down the vol down button push your power button. The phone should boot into hboot where it will search for the pd98img for a few seconds then ask you to update. Once it's done you can reboot & delete the file off your SD card cause it's around 300 or so mb. Once your all done with that you also might want to get the matching ril file for the new radio that's in the update which you can flash in cwr.
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It seems to me that there is a lot of frustration amongst devs, those in the know, and the unschooled to the ways regarding pretty basic information. Stuff like "is MR2 froyo or gingerbread?". I know I'd be asking and saying some industrial strength stupid and annoying things if I didn't have a good friend in the know. I suppose what I'm suggesting here is perhaps several things. The first would be describing a number of specifications regarding the ROM or kernel at hand. Not just for the latest ROM or kernel, but for all the downloads available on the OP. Usually the change log covers that, but what I'm suggesting here is a certain I uniformity of certain information. That way some noob can go do his homework real fast and not post some stupid question.
The second thought I have is creating the "stupid question thread" (that would grow like a weed, huh?). It would have basic stuff like what the RUU's are, their characteristics, what radios they work with, what the different radios are, setting up ADB, and really basic stuff that I keep seeing posted again and again all over. I was reading through the Tbolt forums months before I got my Tbolt and my last phone was an Incredible so the worlds didn't change a hell of a lot for your average flashing junky. But that isn't everybody's experience. I'm suggesting a thread or the guy that just got his Tbolt and is saying "Now I wanna root it!" then "It's rooted! Now what's out there!" And zap! there's te thread that gives him a rundown of all the basics.
This sound like a good idea to anyone? If so, let me know and I'll work something up.
I am a noob, TB being my first Android phone. When I started reading the forums, my very first thought was: how come I can't find a noob thread that I can actually understand, that explains the basics, etc. It did not exist! Hence al the annoying (to some) posts elsewhere. If such a thread existed it would have been a huge help for me. It could be organized similar to ROM threads, with some introductory remarks, (a radio is XYZ, you flash it this way, etc.) followed by specific questions / comments. I like the idea!
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This is a good idea.. if no one makes one soon ill take it up
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There is no substitute for taking the time to read the various threads and educating yourself. I think the devs do a pretty good job of supporting their work but to ask them to put together super noob threads and FAQs is just not something they're gonna do with any regularity.
The reason why no one has done it is because all of the noobs are to lazy or ignorant to read those threads, then continue to post their stupid and already-answered question anyway, flooding the threads as usual.
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I think it sounds like a good idea but as stated above people probably won't read it or take it's advice. Typically all the ROM/Kernel threads state EVERYTHING needed to know in the OP. Yet people will still ALWAYS ask something that is answered in the OP. Most people look at screenshots and then jump straight to the download link. This is my 3rd Android phone and when I got the TBolt I read and read prior to rooting. I had one issue that I hadn't seen posted so I asked. Then I ended up figuring it out on my own anyways. If people would just read info prior to downloading and jumping into it they would be fine. Creating a new thread with basics is great but how effective will it truely be?
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I agree with you 99%. However, there are several cases especially with BAMF threads where there are hundreds of pages and thousands of posts. The OP many times doesn't have solutions to common problems and the only way to find an answer is to spend hours reading through hundreds of pages. (I admit that BAMF is doing much better with their 3.0 RC2 thread). I know you are going to say to search but when a thread is that large it is hard to find meaningful search results.
Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Google is a noobs best friend. What is an RUU? Google it! What is deodexed? Google it! Etc. Etc. Etc...... The Devs develop. It's our job to educate ourselves. They do this for free. Between the forums and Google, most if not all questions can be answered. The ones that can't be answered is when the forums should be used. Just my opinion.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Agree. But, the question "can the X patch from the previous version be used on this version?" People get flamed for asking questions like that and many times there is nothing on the OP.
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Because most often.. the dev himself does not know the answer.. and honestly.. the best way to know if something works or not is try it yourself. .. so I can understand when devs get frustrated with people asking certain permutation and combination of patches will work with their roms or not.
Once you understand (which comes with experience and lot of googling).. what affects certain aspects of a rom.. then you'll know yourself if a particular patch will work or not.
Patches from previous roms or other roms.. will never brick your phone.. the worst.. your phone won't boot up.. or it'll boot up and FC like crazy.. in which case you can always restore.
and I agree.. the best way for a noob to educate is google..
googling is an art.. once you get good at it.. there is almost nothing that you can't get information about.
And with some of the responses I just read in this thread is exactly why I haven't rooted my T-bolt yet. I rooted my D1 and really enjoyed flashing different ROMs and Themes but the HTC experience is a bit different from the one on the Motorola. I don't feel like getting flamed for asking something that those of you that have been using HTC long enough now find to be a useless question. I ran Blackdroids ROMs because he had an IRC channel where you could ask questions without being flamed openly in a forum for 100+ to see. I learned quite a bit to where I could eventually help others with it but I'm not at all comfortable yet with Hboot and ADB but hope to learn enough from reading to not bother you with questions you find trivial. I've read for a week now so what's another week
It appears there is a need for what I propose. Regarding those who's complaint is that nobody will read it, I say, at least someone put forth the effort and if someone like, linking to the thread is easy. Indeed looking stuff up for yourself is wise, however, it takes more time for people and all too often you don't know how accurate what your reading is or from what authority the writer speaks. I will agree most devs supply ample info on their work, but often its in jargon that makes no sense or lacks context. Part of the purpose for this thread would be to supply sense and context.
Hopefully over the next few days I can find time to whip something up. I welcome all suggestions and comments for content!
OK, i searched, I researched and found so much conflicting information. Some posts in red caps say THIS IS EXPIRED NOW BECAUSE OF UPDATE..
I want to put a custom ROM on my ATT One - X. I'm brand new to this, but fairly computer savy. So, with out getting flamed, could someone PLEASE direct me to the appropriate link that will effectively with out too many headaches, lead me to be able to root my phone, and then install a custom rom?
Thx!
Check the dev section
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Depends on what software version your on if it's 2.20 then no you can not root your phone at this time. If it's any other version besides 2,.20 then yes check this thread.
[INDEX] AT&T/ROGERS One X Resources Compilation Roll-Up (Updated 9/17/12)
If your stuck with 2.20 then you can follow the progess for root here
Root 2.20 Think Tank
Depends on what software version your phone is running. For US AT&T phones, if you're running 1.73 or 1.85 then it's rootable. If you're on 2.20, then you're out of luck at the moment. Good luck.
Also - mind the "PLEASE DON'T POST QUESTIONS IN THE GENERAL FORUM" thread. We've got a Q&A sub forum here for that.
Cheers,
-V
I know your pain of all the conflicting and outdated stickies and guides. It took me several hours to try the different methods that might work. I ended up lucking out and getting one with 1.85, and used this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
One thing to add is that when you hit the check for updates button, let it sit. It will look like its doing nothing, but hitting it again will start the download. Took my 4 factory resets and several tries, but it finally worked. Then you SuperCID, unlock Boot loader, install TWRP. Those guides were easier and once rooted they all work, its just the rooting that's tricky.
And as mentioned this all goes out the window if it arrives on 2.20.
Good luck.
Sent from my HOCKS
quarlow said:
I know your pain of all the conflicting and outdated stickies and guides. It took me several hours to try the different methods that might work. I ended up lucking out and getting one with 1.85
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
My index thread here is updated at least weekly (sometimes more often, if there is a lot of dev activity). And the date it was last updated is clearly indicated in the thread title.
This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
You asked ...
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673111
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237 (for the reasons below)
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This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709424
As stated in the first line of the thread this method no longer works, but I wouldn't know that until I went to the thread. "ACT NOW" Why is this still in the guide as a viable option? Why isn't it noted that this no longer works?
Note to add to guide: This method no longer works and is only in the guide for reference purposes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633071
Bootloader must be unlocked first. How do you unlock the bootloader? Root. Wait, what? Round and round we go. Why not note this method only works for phones with the BL already unlocked?
Note to add to guide: This method only works for non-AT&T branded phones that can have the Bootloader unlocked. BL must be unlocked before rooting, see thread for details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1684382
None of those methods worked when I tried them.
Note to add to guide: Reports of this method not working for phones shipped on 1.85.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709296
Only method that worked with my phone. I am not used to ADB, so I tried EVERY other method several times first. And as I stated, this guide could use some additional steps to help avoid some scary situation where you are in the middle of downloading the udate you fear and have no idea how to stop it. Hint: Reboot doesn't work, you must factory reset again to stop the download.
This is why it took me almost 4 hours to root my device.
The guide could flow something like this:
Do you have an AT&T branded version?
- No --> Unlock the BL [here], and root [here] or [here]
- Yes --> proceed
What firmware are you on?
- 2.20 --> STOP you cannot root
- 1.85 --> Try the ONE method the works [here] (for reference [this] method used to work)
- 1.73 --> Try one of these methods [here][here][etc]
The rest of the sticky is fine. But everything hinges on rooting your device, and it is so confusing to try to figure that out for a new user to the phone. I appreciate the guides that do exist, that is why I don't complain in the guides, just try to assist the other people new to the device by explaining my experiences just last week. I imagine the only way to test the method is to get a brand new phone, and try it. Something that is not reasonable. But, just by reading the OP and the last page of each thread I could make the above observations that would help the guide.
Not trying to be dis-respectful at all, but you asked what was outdated. It is very confusing for a new person to this phone without all the history of the last 6 months.
I wonder which is clogging up the forum more. People who "aren't searching properly" or the ones who reapeatedly post over and over again complaining about it. Jeez..
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Pray tell, which stickies are outdated???
My index thread here is updated at least weekly (sometimes more often, if there is a lot of dev activity). And the date it was last updated is clearly indicated in the thread title.
This index thread clearly lists the working root methods; and what firmware the method applies to is clearly stated, either in the thread title, or I've made a note to indicate it.
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quarlow said:
You asked ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673110
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673111
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
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Not trying to be dis-respectful at all, but you asked what was outdated.
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I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and continually maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
If you had issues with the index, you should have replied on that thread with your suggestions or PMed me when you found the updated items, just like I ask in the intro to the index. Complaining about it in another thread is the wrong way to have gone about it.
With respect to you, and not realizing it is your thread, I can understand you being frustrated with all the work you put in to it. So, I'm reply basically to say thanks for the work that you do.
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
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I wonder which is clogging up the forum more. People who "aren't searching properly" or the ones who reapeatedly post over and over again complaining about it. Jeez..
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I've spent a lot of time and effort to create and maintain the index thread for people to use. Its a sticky at the top of Development, no searching is required, and it lists most any resource you will need for this phone. Tons have people have gotten themselves into serious trouble soft or hard bricking their phones, or otherwise wasting a lot of time, when they could just used the index, and avoided all that.
I'm sorry I'm "clogging up the forum" with my index. With post like this, I sometimes wonder why I fricking bother.
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With respect to you, and not realizing it is your thread, I can understand you being frustrated with all the work you put in to it. So, I'm reply basically to say thanks for the work that you do.
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I think we were typing are responses at the same time. Thanks for the retraction. I was pretty pissed off by your earlier comment!
My apologies... I got frustrated because I've read so many people complaining about using search lately, that it seems more prevalent than the people not using search. I tried to delete the post after I wrote it, but since I'm new I had to wait 5 minutes. I replied after that post saying thanks for your work. Again, please accept my apologies and my gratitude for doing what you do.
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I've spent a lot of time and effort to create and maintain the index thread for people to use. Its a sticky at the top of Development, no searching is required, and it lists most any resource you will need for this phone. Tons have people have gotten themselves into serious trouble soft or hard bricking their phones, or otherwise wasting a lot of time, when they could just used the index, and avoided all that.
I'm sorry I'm "clogging up the forum" with my index. With post like this, I sometimes wonder why I fricking bother.
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My apologies... I got frustrated because I've read so many people complaining about using search lately, that it seems more prevalent than the people not using search. I tried to delete the post after I wrote it, but since I'm new I had to wait 5 minutes. I replied after that post saying thanks for your work. Again, please accept my apologies and my gratitude for doing what you do.
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Heh, were are getting good at cross posting with each other! See the second part of post #11 above (posted the same exact minute as your post!). I saw your post above (#10), thanks for the subsequent retraction/apology.
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Seriously? Those are warnings not to post questions in those forums. There aren't meant to be up to date root guides!
I'll agree that my index can use some updates as you suggest (although some of your comments are a bit too nitpicky for my taste). But you're talking about a few lines of a rather extensive index. To dismiss it all as "outdated" is an insult to many hours I've taken to create and continually maintain the thread. Your tone may not be disrespectful, but it certainly sounds ungrateful.
If you had issues with the index, you should have replied on that thread with your suggestions or PMed me when you found the updated items, just like I ask in the intro to the index. Complaining about it in another thread is the wrong way to have gone about it.
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Both of those stickies link to root methods that do not work. They are in the General and Q&A sections, and are titled for N00Bs to start there. As a N00b to this device that is where I started. That is the only sticky in the Q&A section, and my first question was "How do I root this phone?" In the Samsung forums these types of guides are in the General section.
As I said I do not mean to be ungreatful or disrespectful. That is why I did not complain it's outdated in the thread. Something that is taboo on XDA. Lowly members are flamed for challenging RCs, Devs, or Mods. I understand you put a lot of time into that thread. I can imagine the countless hours you put into compiling it. I think that rooting the phone is the most important part of that guide because nothing else in the guide is possible without root, and as such it should be accurate and clear. It's also the most confusing part of the guide, and the One X forum in general. I do appreciate the time and effort you put into your guide, and if I thought suggestions on the thread would be have been received peacefully I would have commented there, I apologize for bringing my issues up in a way that offended you. The Samsung forums have a total different feel and unwritten procedure, I am still getting used to the One X forum.
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As I said I do not mean to be ungreatful or disrespectful. That is why I did not complain it's outdated in the thread. Something that is taboo on XDA. Lowly members are flamed for challenging RCs, Devs, or Mods. I understand you put a lot of time into that thread. I can imagine the countless hours you put into compiling it. I think that rooting the phone is the most important part of that guide because nothing else in the guide is possible without root, and as such it should be accurate and clear. It's also the most confusing part of the guide, and the One X forum in general. I do appreciate the time and effort you put into your guide, and if I thought suggestions on the thread would be have been received peacefully I would have commented there, I apologize for bringing my issues up in a way that offended you. The Samsung forums have a total different feel and unwritten procedure, I am still getting used to the One X forum.
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I've been around here for 5 years, over the course of 5 devices, and I've never seen anyone flamed for suggesting to correct/revise a guide. Asking for ETA on a ROM update is the closest I've seen to what you are saying (usually not a good idea). But people who have written guides, indexes, etc. are typically very open to comments on how to improve their thread and keep it up to date. They made the thread to help people, and want nothing more than to have it do so effectively. If they don't update it, its usually because they don't have the time.
Also keep in mind that my index is meant to be a listing of resources, not a guide, per se. I've tried to add some additional info in the index to help folks along. But I can't claim to be an expert on every link (or anything close to an expert). For instance, when it come to root, I rooted way back on 1.73. So I've never even tried any subsequent root methods. Therefore I can't personally validate them, I can only try to comment on what I've read others post.
Not being a developer, the index is the one thing I give back to this community (along with random posts trying to help others). I'm completely open to suggestions to make the index better, and more up to date. I've already incorporated the suggestions you made earlier.
Cheers.
Would anyone with a greater understanding of the ICS Versions be able to put up a sticky explaining them and their advantages?
As far as I know there's Leak #1, Leak #2, and OTA.
I feel that there's a lot of confusion about flashing to ICS, flashing from ICS to GB, back and forth from the Jellybeans.
I believe we now have a way to flash back to stock OTA? Are the Leaks obsolete now?
Is it dangerous to flash from a Leak to OTA and vice-versa?
Is Gingerbread now impossible to get to from OTA?
Sorry for all the questions but I believe that having these questions answered and giving people some information on the different ICS versions we're dealing with will prevent more brickings as well as prevent constant questions on the topic.
Alperon said:
Would anyone with a greater understanding of the ICS Versions be able to put up a sticky explaining them and their advantages?
As far as I know there's Leak #1, Leak #2, and OTA.
I feel that there's a lot of confusion about flashing to ICS, flashing from ICS to GB, back and forth from the Jellybeans.
I believe we now have a way to flash back to stock OTA? Are the Leaks obsolete now?
Is it dangerous to flash from a Leak to OTA and vice-versa?
Is Gingerbread now impossible to get to from OTA?
Sorry for all the questions but I believe that having these questions answered and giving people some information on the different ICS versions we're dealing with will prevent more brickings as well as prevent constant questions on the topic.
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Look this has been covered so many times now it is not funny.
The ONLY plus to leak #1 is that you CAN go back to GB on AT&T phones. Leak #2 is the same as the OTA, no difference there.
There is now an ICS FXZ, so the OTA is not so daunting anymore, but you can not go back to GB from either Leak #2 or the OTA....
Now all of this ONLY applies to the AT&T phones, all or most of the international versions can flash back to GB from ICS without issues, except for I think the TW/HK version.
Everything else is pretty much the same.
Next time please do a search. And please no complaints from anyone about how bad using search is. I use it all the time without issue, and I just tried for this and got back several good threads to read to get all the info I just gave. No it is not all in one post, but hey such is life.
Is this sbf InlineFlashing_Edison_67.21.125_CFC_P3_APBP.xml.zip from this site http://sbf.droid-developers.org/edison/list.php final official ICS?
Can I flash this over AT&T leak 1?
Yeah, you're a huge contributor around here Jim so I'll try to say this respectfully.
Some people say "Hey, that's life" while others actually do something to change it.
This forum is meant to bring information together and make it easier for people to gain knowledge on devices as well as how to modify them.
Wouldn't it be intelligent to gather all this information on ICS and put into one post, then make that post a sticky?
Yes... yes it would...
We have an interesting situation with the 2 Leaks and OTA, why not provide knowledge on that situation in one informative post?
Well... probably because "hey such is life."
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Is this sbf InlineFlashing_Edison_67.21.125_CFC_P3_APBP.xml.zip from this site http://sbf.droid-developers.org/edison/list.php final official ICS?
Can I flash this over AT&T leak 1?
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Good joke. Ha.. Ha..
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Wouldn't it be intelligent to gather all this information on ICS and put into one post, then make that post a sticky?
Yes... yes it would...
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No.. it would be intelligent to search.
Leak #1 is not really needed anymore - it was only an issue when we did not have a 4.0.4 FXZ for AT&T or if you really want the ability to return to GB.
So, what's your idea - to make a new thread on info that the majority of users already know (and which can be found with resourceful searching), and do that for every international version of ICS with all leaks? Go for it..
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Yeah, you're a huge contributor around here Jim so I'll try to say this respectfully.
Some people say "Hey, that's life" while others actually do something to change it.
This forum is meant to bring information together and make it easier for people to gain knowledge on devices as well as how to modify them.
Wouldn't it be intelligent to gather all this information on ICS and put into one post, then make that post a sticky?
Yes... yes it would...
We have an interesting situation with the 2 Leaks and OTA, why not provide knowledge on that situation in one informative post?
Well... probably because "hey such is life."
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Humm, why not collect the info and make the post(s) yourself? That is what I am always trying to get people to do here... I and other SR members are quite busy at the moment, so...
That seems to be the biggest issue here, is most people tend to expect everything given to them, without contributing much themselves.
I am not trying to be a jerk here, just trying to get everyone, not just you to think and do somethings for themselves. Even if you are not the most technical person, it is quite easy to figure things out or read and learn about something and make a post. If it works, needs some edits, great, then when it it is right, we can ask the MODS to sticky it.
i believe all-in-one posts creates cerebral laziness, search, learn, make mistakes, it will be good for you
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Humm, why not collect the info and make the post(s) yourself? That is what I am always trying to get people to do here... I and other SR members are quite busy at the moment, so...
That seems to be the biggest issue here, is most people tend to expect everything given to them, without contributing much themselves.
I am not trying to be a jerk here, just trying to get everyone, not just you to think and do somethings for themselves. Even if you are not the most technical person, it is quite easy to figure things out or read and learn about something and make a post. If it works, needs some edits, great, then when it it is right, we can ask the MODS to sticky it.
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Okay, now that's a more helpful post. I will start gathering information and see how I can put it together for people to learn more about the ICS situation.
Which section would you recommend I put it in when I have it ready?
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Okay, now that's a more helpful post. I will start gathering information and see how I can put it together for people to learn more about the ICS situation.
Which section would you recommend I put it in when I have it ready?
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What is there to collect now? I really do not understand this whole thing at all. I gave you the answer for the AT&T firmware above. If you are serious, you will have to do this for EVERY firmware out there, to do it properly.
And I have been nothing but helpful in this thread, I even gave you the answer and did not make you search for it... but you and others really do need to start learning how to search better, and read more.
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i believe all-in-one posts creates cerebral laziness, search, learn, make mistakes, it will be good for you
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Sorry, I'd rather make it so people don't have to learn by bricking their phones.
That's like saying here's this powersaw and some directions written in Japanese. It's okay if you cut your hand off, it's all part of the "learning experience"!
I guess I shouldn't be trying to help people by centralizing information, while I'm at it I guess I'll just spread my posts out on various different forums and expect users to just do various google searches through many different forums for information instead of just being able to go to XDA and find it in one post...
Why make information more difficult to get to? This isn't some gauntlet or obstacle course, try to save people time, not waste it!
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What is there to collect now? I really do not understand this whole thing at all. I gave you the answer for the AT&T firmware above. If you are serious, you will have to do this for EVERY firmware out there, to do it properly.
And I have been nothing but helpful in this thread, I even gave you the answer and did not make you search for it... but you and others really do need to start learning how to search better, and read more.
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Answer? I don't even have a question. I'm on CM10 and plenty happy there.
I just thought I'd try to see if anyone with more information about ICS wanted to create a post explaining the different kinds.
But since noone wants to I offered to do it myself after collecting information.
Why are you so against me writing a post that could prevent confusion?
Man, no wonder there's so much confusion on this forum, you guys make everything so difficult.
"Go do a search! It's in there somewhere! Argghhh!"
I think I'll go around to all the posts that ask for information and say "Go do a search you lazy freaking bum!" so I can get a lot of Thanks from people... Woohoo... Forum posting is so much fun..
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Sorry, I'd rather make it so people don't have to learn by bricking their phones.
That's like saying here's this powersaw and some directions written in Japanese. It's okay if you cut your hand off, it's all part of the "learning experience"!
I guess I shouldn't be trying to help people by centralizing information, while I'm at it I guess I'll just spread my posts out on various different forums and expect users to just do various google searches through many different forums for information instead of just being able to go to XDA and find it in one post...
Why make information more difficult to get to? This isn't some gauntlet or obstacle course, try to save people time, not waste it!
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Wow, now you have taken this way to far. I am going to have this thread closed by the MODS. This will not end well.
Look, this has been covered and covered to death, there is NO reason to cover it again and again and make it so that lazy people can stay lazy. the reason it is all over the place is because it gets asked and asked again in another thread and someone else puts info in yet another thread about it... so...
Just stop this madness.... Look, I get it you have very few posts and and want to jump in, but don't do it with making this place for lazy people. If that starts I will leave. This place needs to stay for smart people... and it is really so that people read and read and read again as they should before doing anything... people get so exited here, that such and such is out, and they go flash it without reading and brick... that is their issue, I and others should not have to make it so that idiots can do that.
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Answer? I don't even have a question. I'm on CM10 and plenty happy there.
I just thought I'd try to see if anyone with more information about ICS wanted to create a post explaining the different kinds.
But since noone wants to I offered to do it myself after collecting information.
Why are you so against me writing a post that could prevent confusion?
Man, no wonder there's so much confusion on this forum, you guys make everything so difficult.
"Go do a search! It's in there somewhere! Argghhh!"
I think I'll go around to all the posts that ask for information and say "Go do a search you lazy freaking bum!" so I can get a lot of Thanks from people... Woohoo... Forum posting is so much fun..
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Yes you started asking about clarifying all the leaks and that ota, which I did for you. I also said to make the post and the SR's here will review and decide if it needs to be sticked and get the MODS to do so, if done well. I am not sure what more you wanted, but I will say this your tone started out in your second post in this thread start out bad, and so I and other have/had changed out tone as well. If you want to do something and make the post, that is well and good, but stop being a PIA about this and carrying on and on about what everyone is responding to you... there are reasons we all are responding this way to you about this... if you change your tone, we will too... and give you even more help most likely as well.
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Answer? I don't even have a question. I'm on CM10 and plenty happy there.
I just thought I'd try to see if anyone with more information about ICS wanted to create a post explaining the different kinds.
But since noone wants to I offered to do it myself after collecting information.
Why are you so against me writing a post that could prevent confusion?
Man, no wonder there's so much confusion on this forum, you guys make everything so difficult.
"Go do a search! It's in there somewhere! Argghhh!"
I think I'll go around to all the posts that ask for information and say "Go do a search you lazy freaking bum!" so I can get a lot of Thanks from people... Woohoo... Forum posting is so much fun..
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Buddy thats really not needed.. you need to calm down and just re-read the replies u have got.
We are a very helpful bunch here and since the OTA fxz out, Leak 2 or 1 for atnt is really not needed anymore i guess.. As for getting all the info in one post.. if you really feel something like this should be there, then go ahead and do it.
And thus, I have seen enough.
Where did the majority of you posters get your education from?
Cracker Jack?
Never seen such behavior from people.
Tomorrow, I will filter through the posts, and I promise, infractions will follow. Don't bother trying to edit your posts, as it's pretty much frozen.
One thing you all must remember. There are Devs. And these Devs give you all thats possible with what they have to work with. If you expect more, then why argue with the Devs are to blame?????
Why not argue with the manufacturer?
So,in light of a ton of ungrateful users, this thread is closed.
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