Verizon SGS3 Stuck at boot screen - Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III

I basically was putting it back to stock.vzw_root66.tar from CM10 Jelly Bean ( this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1788443 )
I used odin, flashed, starting to be stuck booting..
Freaked out.
then tried http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
both factory and Kernal
Section 2: How to get back to Stock from any rom
did some more googleing.. came across
http://www.creadevandroid.com/resto...ettings-unbrick-unroot-verizon-cdma/#comments
still stuck..
I can get into odin mode.... but it just stays there on the stupid Verizon LTE bootlogo.. I hate it..
Any help would be awesome.. i reaching here..

I would just pull the battery, boot into download mode and use odin to try to get back to root stock again. Here is a video guide if you need it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyTdkvsRpgw

Yea, I tried using HOME_I535VRALF2_I535VZWALF2_618049_REV09_user_low_ship
from
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762709
Section 2
Thanks for the reply

I can even get into factory recovery..
not sure why its not finishing the boot...
IT WORK
OMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
thanks for just making this forum so i can vent my life... I love all of you

vega_04 said:
I can even get into factory recovery..
not sure why its not finishing the boot...
IT WORK
OMGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
thanks for just making this forum so i can vent my life... I love all of you
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Remember everyone.. ALWAYS RESET YOUR DATA.. man im dumb..
I hope this thread helps someone some day..

vega_04 said:
Remember everyone.. ALWAYS RESET YOUR DATA.. man im dumb..
I hope this thread helps someone some day..
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I am stuck at the 4G LTE screen myself. Tried to root, now I'm stuck. I cant power down, and I assume it will run out of battery soon. HELP please...I just want to go back to stock rom

kuiuiui said:
I am stuck at the 4G LTE screen myself. Tried to root, now I'm stuck. I cant power down, and I assume it will run out of battery soon. HELP please...I just want to go back to stock rom
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Pull your battery, boot into Odin mode, and try again. Make sure you have the correct options checked in Odin.

kuiuiui said:
I am stuck at the 4G LTE screen myself. Tried to root, now I'm stuck. I cant power down, and I assume it will run out of battery soon. HELP please...I just want to go back to stock rom
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pull the battery to powerdown, then use Odin to flash stock rom. Link is couple threads above. Very simple.

vega_04 said:
Remember everyone.. ALWAYS RESET YOUR DATA.. man im dumb..
I hope this thread helps someone some day..
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So i have a Noob question. I am trying to load CM10 and i am hanging on the load screen. i read something that I should reset my data. Will resetting my data delete the backup of my stock rom on the internal SDCard?

EFighter said:
So i have a Noob question. I am trying to load CM10 and i am hanging on the load screen. i read something that I should reset my data. Will resetting my data delete the backup of my stock rom on the internal SDCard?
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No it will not delete your backup
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vega_04 said:
Remember everyone.. ALWAYS RESET YOUR DATA.. man im dumb..
I hope this thread helps someone some day..
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kintwofan said:
No it will not delete your backup
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i hit your THANKS button
So now im just curious. what does that actually delete?

EFighter said:
i hit your THANKS button
So now im just curious. what does that actually delete?
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Your apps, system settings, etc.
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kintwofan said:
Your apps, system settings, etc.
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Thanks
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vega_04 said:
Remember everyone.. ALWAYS RESET YOUR DATA.. man im dumb..
I hope this thread helps someone some day..
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My Verizon Galaxy S3 had been stuck at the Verizon boot screen. Booted into recovery mode, reset the data, restarted, and, after about 10 seconds of hanging it went ahead and booted. Thanks!

I should follow up.
I did the same finally. reset my data despite my fear. My SD card data was left unharmed so i was able to use the rom on there to load and it worked like a charm.
Again my apps were removed and system settings were all gone but that is what it takes to load the ROM.

On a separate note i went from ICS to CM 10.0, i am running the Apex Launcher and i cant express how much i like it better than the stock ROM. there are a few things that hang and crash but for the most part it is worth the improvements.

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[Q] stuck on splash screen, please help!

im new at this please bear with me.
i rooted my shift last week. everything was fine, im not ready to get too crazy into flashing stuff yet (since the risk for bricking is higher with android). i like to take my time read, study, test small things here and there.
today i was browsing the forums and came across the battery icon mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892297
so i downloaded it, i had rom manager installed, and installed the battery icon manager.
i chose the icon i wanted rebooted, it looked ok, so i wanted to try the other icon and loaded that one, phone rebooted and got stuck on the sprint splash screen.
i can boot into the bootloader, not sure what steps i need to take next to restore my os.
BiffTirkle said:
im new at this please bear with me.
i rooted my shift last week. everything was fine, im not ready to get too crazy into flashing stuff yet (since the risk for bricking is higher with android). i like to take my time read, study, test small things here and there.
today i was browsing the forums and came across the battery icon mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892297
so i downloaded it, i had rom manager installed, and installed the battery icon manager.
i chose the icon i wanted rebooted, it looked ok, so i wanted to try the other icon and loaded that one, phone rebooted and got stuck on the sprint splash screen.
i can boot into the bootloader, not sure what steps i need to take next to restore my os.
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once you're in bootloader, select recovery, then backup restore. Then restore. Then restore your backup that we're all sure you made before you made those mods right? RIIIIIGHT?????
You have to get to boot loader to get to recovery to wipe and flash your rom... (hold vol down and press power) in case you didn't know..you should being that its rooted..I dunno
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RyteSyde said:
once you're in bootloader, select recovery, then backup restore. Then restore. Then restore your backup that we're all sure you made before you made those mods right? RIIIIIGHT?????
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if you still have problems, come hit us up in irc:
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Channel: #HTC_EVO_Shift
Port: 6667
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RyteSyde said:
once you're in bootloader, select recovery, then backup restore. Then restore. Then restore your backup that we're all sure you made before you made those mods right? RIIIIIGHT?????
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hahaha, why would i create a backup!? that would make sense. i have not created a back up. i had not gotten around to doing it yet. it was on my list of things to do.
BiffTirkle said:
im new at this please bear with me.
i rooted my shift last week. everything was fine, im not ready to get too crazy into flashing stuff yet (since the risk for bricking is higher with android). i like to take my time read, study, test small things here and there.
today i was browsing the forums and came across the battery icon mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892297
so i downloaded it, i had rom manager installed, and installed the battery icon manager.
i chose the icon i wanted rebooted, it looked ok, so i wanted to try the other icon and loaded that one, phone rebooted and got stuck on the sprint splash screen.
i can boot into the bootloader, not sure what steps i need to take next to restore my os.
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Boot in to CWM Recovery go to backup/restore /advanced restore, select restore /system only. Once that is complete clear the cache, reboot. you can then delete your dalvik cache (note: clearing the dalvik cache doesn't work via CWM currently). That's it.
If you didn't make a back up, just re flash the rom. If you were still stock, just flash preludedrew's or nfinitefx's base. You can even still keep your data. Just make sure from now on to back up before doing any mods.
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he's squared away now. Make your backups y'all.
RyteSyde said:
he's squared away now. Make your backups y'all.
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thank you again for taking the time to help me out. it would have been a much longer night had you not offered.
BiffTirkle said:
thank you again for taking the time to help me out. it would have been a much longer night had you not offered.
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You're lucky. Usually when RyteSyde helps people, he helps them to pricking their device. Glad it worked out for you in the end.....
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riggsandroid said:
You're lucky. Usually when RyteSyde helps people, he helps them to pricking their device. Glad it worked out for you in the end.....
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That's a little f'ed up callin someone out like that no? I'm not a mod by far but I'm pretty sure the forums aren't for childish behavior as such..
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JKILO said:
That's a little f'ed up callin someone out like that no? I'm not a mod by far but I'm pretty sure the forums aren't for childish behavior as such..
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They're friends.
^ Shift Faced
jesusice said:
They're friends.
^ Shift Faced
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Touchè lol apologies to you two
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We take turns bricking phones in the IRC!
I guess I should've put an indication that I'm just trying to piss him off, but I know I pissed someone else off....
riggsandroid said:
We take turns bricking phones in the IRC!
I guess I should've put an indication that I'm just trying to piss him off, but I know I pissed someone else off....
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you're such an idiot
love you mean it

One last cry for help for my Infuse 4G (Rogers)

One last cry for help before I honestly take this phone in my garage and go to town on it with a sledge hammer!!!!
I bought this used Infuse 4G (Rogers). But I can't do I clean wipe to get rid of the previous owner's information, this google account is driving me crazy , it keeps trying to login to the guy's account and putting in my own google account doesn't do any good either because it still asks for the original account's password when i try accessing the market. So, a clean wipe/factory reset would be the ideal thing to do i believe. A traditional Factory Reset through Setting>Privacy>Factory Reset would just freeze my phone on a multi-colored screwed up screen and nothing happens until i reflash. Trying to wipe through ROM Manager (manual management) also does the exact same thing.
I am currently on this rom ..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1193927 .... Its the only one that works besides the AT&T 2.3.5 (but i can't root that one).
Anyways, people have suggested gtg_ultimate_unbrick, but all that does is freezes my phone on the black samsung screen.
Please guys, I know this can be done .... But I'm not exactly an expert, as a matter of fact, I'm a noob to Android phones.....lol
where does it freeze when you do the ultimate unbrick. Did it simply not boot after you odin'ed back to stock?
projectvirtue said:
where does it freeze when you do the ultimate unbrick. Did it simply not boot after you odin'ed back to stock?
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thats exactly right. It just stays on the black samsung screen (it goes there immediately after odin finishes) .....
giovpugliese said:
thats exactly right. It just stays on the black samsung screen (it goes there immediately after odin finishes) .....
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If you are rooted you can't and on a ron you can't do a manual factory reset. Boot into recovery wipe factory and cache and dalvik then flash a rom or Odin back to stock then you'll be good
Holy MIUI Batman!
LG_iiNsTiiNcT said:
If you are rooted you can't and on a ron you can't do a manual factory reset. Boot into recovery wipe factory and cache and dalvik then flash a rom or Odin back to stock then you'll be good
Holy MIUI Batman!
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Did that as well .... It crashes with the multicolored screen and then i have to reflash to revive the phone .... Its like I'm completely SOL with this phone ....
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Okay so to the next order of buisness you said its a rogers infuse so since its a different build and firmware do yyou have to use different kies and aa different unbrick to stock method
Holy MIUI Batman!
So I did so searching rooting the roger infuse is different than regular go to the search bar and type in root for rogers there a thread by gtg how to flash stock kernel "doesn't unroot" but it might help u in your situation I sent gtg a message for you on how to unroot to stock for rogers when he gets back to me ill let you know
Holy MIUI Batman!
Can you boot into CWM? Because if your on a leak, you need a kernel that will give you CWM... I replied to your other post and you didn't even reply back.
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Optimus-Prime said:
Can you boot into CWM? Because if your on a leak, you need a kernel that will give you CWM... I replied to your other post and you didn't even reply back.
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Sorry man, i completely forgot .... That didnt work that way either .... Just keeps crashing everytime i try entering some kind of data wipe....
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LG_iiNsTiiNcT said:
So I did so searching rooting the roger infuse is different than regular go to the search bar and type in root for rogers there a thread by gtg how to flash stock kernel "doesn't unroot" but it might help u in your situation I sent gtg a message for you on how to unroot to stock for rogers when he gets back to me ill let you know
Holy MIUI Batman!
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Thank you very much, I'd appreciate it ...
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Odd that you still have there account after flasHing roms unless you did a backup and restore with cwm or titanium.
Have you tried a factory reset from settings> privacy? This will wipe the internal sd card so backup any media or other files on it to the external one.
Dani897 said:
Odd that you still have there account after flasHing roms unless you did a backup and restore with cwm or titanium.
Have you tried a factory reset from settings> privacy? This will wipe the internal sd card so backup any media or other files on it to the external one.
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Doing a factory reset that way will freeze the phone in a statickie colored screen and will stay like that forever until i reflash ....
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OK guys!!....
Don't know how I pulled it off but I did ....
Here's how:
Flashed Stock Rogers Infuse Rom - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1193927
Immediately aftelr I flashed Infused Gingerbread Kernel v1 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197248
Finally I flashed GS_Infuse_1.1.4 directly through CWM making sure that Clearb Daivlik Cache and Wipe Data were checked .... I went into that screwed up multi colored screen that Im so used to .... I was just about to say "screw this phone, im tossing it" and i booted!! ....
Thank you everybody for giving me helpful advice on trying to get this phone going!!
giovpugliese said:
OK guys!!....
Don't know how I pulled it off but I did ....
Here's how:
Flashed Stock Rogers Infuse Rom - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1193927
Immediately aftelr I flashed Infused Gingerbread Kernel v1 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1197248
Finally I flashed GS_Infuse_1.1.4 directly through CWM making sure that Clearb Daivlik Cache and Wipe Data were checked .... I went into that screwed up multi colored screen that Im so used to .... I was just about to say "screw this phone, im tossing it" and i booted!! ....
Thank you everybody for giving me helpful advice on trying to get this phone going!!
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Stool of this was very weird, there is no reason a Rogers infuse should have multi color junk or broken recovery. I'll bet the last owner tried to flash something they shouldn't have. Glad it got to a point that you can use it though. Hope it is the last issues you have with it.

[Q] Rooted phone being sent back

I recently rooted my phone and tried to put roms on it but in the process I messed somthing up and whenever I boot it up it stays at the red motorola logo. If I send this back will they find the root? And what are the consequences if they do discover it?
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zViiNz said:
I recently rooted my phone and tried to put roms on it but in the process I messed somthing up and whenever I boot it up it stays at the red motorola logo. If I send this back will they find the root? And what are the consequences if they do discover it?
Droid 2 Global
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Can you get into recovery? You're just in a boot loop....easy to fix...
If they find it you're buying the phone...for 400+
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knipp21 said:
Vs you get into recovery? You're just in a boot loop....easy to fix...
If they find it you're buying the phone...for 400+
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How do I go about fixing this? I need help quick before I have to send it out tuesday
Edit: No I can't get into recovery, the only thing i see when i turn my phone on is the red motorola logo
zViiNz said:
How do I go about fixing this? I need help quick before I have to send it out tuesday
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Boot into recovery, wipe the data/factory reset..and load up a new Rom.
Don't send it back. I don't know much about the Droid 2 but if you get it working you need not send it back.
You should have researched before rooting bro.
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knipp21 said:
Boot into recovery, wipe the data/factory reset..and load up a new Rom.
Don't send it back. I don't know much about the Droid 2 but if you get it working you need not send it back.
You should have researched before rooting bro.
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What I did when I am frozen now is started my phone up holding the X key, went into some menu and wiped data to factory settings, would that have cleared the root?
no that just clears any bad data preventing boot up, not root. you should also be able to use that recovery to flash a different rom. (stock rom maybe?!)
if your phone turns on, it doesnt need to go back, you need to learn how to read,
root isnt the only thing that voids your warranty. the custom rom does too!
read the XDA user guide in my sig, learn where your device sub-forum is, learn where to find "stickies" in each sub-forum of your device.
find said stickies and READ THEM for your device.
TRusselo said:
no that just clears any bad data preventing boot up, not root. you should also be able to use that recovery to flash a different rom. (stock rom maybe?!)
if your phone turns on, it doesnt need to go back, you need to learn how to read,
root isnt the only thing that voids your warranty. the custom rom does too!
read the XDA user guide in my sig, learn where your device sub-forum is, learn where to find "stickies" in each sub-forum of your device.
find said stickies and READ THEM for your device.
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Thanks bro. I can only help so much..I use HTC lol
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TRusselo said:
no that just clears any bad data preventing boot up, not root. you should also be able to use that recovery to flash a different rom. (stock rom maybe?!)
if your phone turns on, it doesnt need to go back, you need to learn how to read,
root isnt the only thing that voids your warranty. the custom rom does too!
read the XDA user guide in my sig, learn where your device sub-forum is, learn where to find "stickies" in each sub-forum of your device.
find said stickies and READ THEM for your device.
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I was unsuccessful to even get a rom to work
zViiNz said:
I was unsuccessful to even get a rom to work
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After a factory reset and installing a new Rom? Maybe try a different Rom.
If I've helped. don't neglect my thanks button
knipp21 said:
After a factory reset and installing a new Rom? Maybe try a different Rom.
If I've helped. don't neglect my thanks button
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ohh i wont, you've helped a bunch
zViiNz said:
ohh i wont, you've helped a bunch
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Lol that's just my Sig
thanks for giving it some love.
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[Q] Help please

Hello, I am brand new here and I have to a serious problem with my galaxy s3 (verizon). Today I rooted and installed clockwork recovery and created a backup within the app everything seemed to well and I rebooted. Then I noticed I could get custom roms in clockwork mod and tried getting cyanogen mod for it. Downloaded and continued to install. Then when it booted I got a cyanogen mod boot screen loop . So I said ok and went to recovery and tried to restore my phone from the backup I made only to find that "no files were found" in clockwork recovery. So at this point I just want my phone to boot up and work with my data on it. Is there a way to remove cyanogen mod or even use my backup that was created and in fact does take up space on my sd card but can't seem to find. I thanks in advance .
Ok after some searching it seems that I have forgotten to do something with the boot.img file in the zip. If someone could give me instructions on what to do with it I would really appreciate it. Lol I know most of you are pulling your hair out about my mistakes but hopefully this can be resolved soon.
Nothing with a boot.img that's for HTC devices
Did you clean wipe/facotry reset before installing cm?
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I have not. But if I do that that means I lose everything correct and cannot get it back? Or is there a way I can do a restore after I wipe and I get it back? After looking at this question I realize it sounds dumb lol. Also I just did this using a download from clockwork mod and after I did it I looked back at cyanogen mods website and there are more steps involved such as flashing certain files (which was not done because I did not know) I though if I downloaded it from clockwork mod that was the only step I had to take.
staplehead said:
I have not. But if I do that that means I lose everything correct and cannot get it back? Or is there a way I can do a restore after I wipe and I get it back? After looking at this question I realize it sounds dumb lol. Also I just did this using a download from clockwork mod and after I did it I looked back at cyanogen mods website and there are more steps involved such as flashing certain files (which was not done because I did not know) I though if I downloaded it from clockwork mod that was the only step I had to take.
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You have to clean install you can't just flash roms over each other. That was the reason for your bootloop and nope bud you've most likely have to clean install now. That backup should be somewhere if just click restore and it should find your backup?
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Ok that got me to boot tyvm . So am I good to go now? And I just start off new?
staplehead said:
Ok that got me to boot tyvm . So am I good to go now? And I just start off new?
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Yup you have sorry next time make sure to back up try the app titanium backup on the play store to have backups of your apps with data
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ok im up and running now except neither the home button nor the keyboard work. i have googled some results but none of which work .
Which rom did you flash exactly?
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Official stable release for the Verizon gs3 from http://get.cm/?type=stable
staplehead said:
Official stable release for the Verizon gs3 from http://get.cm/?type=stable
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Did you flash gapps?
If not flash these
http://goo.im/gapps/gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip
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No sir. You must be VERY frustrated right now with me lol. Could you tell me where I can get the gapps file and how to flash it please. I would really appreciate it.
Ok flashed now everything works... Except the keyboard still .
SUCCESS! I Reflashed everything but between flashing I cleared delvik cache before and after flashes
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SUCCESS! I Reflashed everything but between flashing I cleared delvik cache before and after flashes
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Bingo. Always clear delvik cache and cache when flashing. It's also good to wipe data when upgrading a Rom and a must when going to a different Rom.
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Stuck in recovery

Hello, so i just got an infuse for a couple of bucks (always wanted it, so went ahead n bought it) so my issue is i went into recovery to wipe caches (the rom was kinna slow) and as i hit reboot system,the phone just reboots into recovery... i saw it as an oportunity to flash another rom and flashed the carbon rom and gapps, but as i hit reboot system it just reboots back into recovery aswell... so im pretty lost here, is there something extra i should be doing? thanx in advanced!
What was on it before you wiped and flashed Carbon? Did you do full rewipe...that is factory/data reset ?
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psal217050 said:
What was on it before you wiped and flashed Carbon? Did you do full rewipe...that is factory/data reset ?
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full wipe always and i believe it was on cm9 4.0.4
Luisit0 said:
full wipe always and i believe it was on cm9 4.0.4
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I'm having the same issue right now, still haven't found a solution.
mchun said:
I'm having the same issue right now, still haven't found a solution.
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damn, its wierd cause it was working fine untill i went into recovery, then i rebooted and it started to straight into recovery.... im also having the stuck power button issue and its just making things harder! but yeah id atleast like the phone to boot out of recovery...
Luisit0 said:
damn, its wierd cause it was working fine untill i went into recovery, then i rebooted and it started to straight into recovery.... im also having the stuck power button issue and its just making things harder! but yeah id atleast like the phone to boot out of recovery...
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LOL same here, but I think I'm just going to use odin and start over.
mchun said:
LOL same here, but I think I'm just going to use odin and start over.
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meh i just did so bro, gonna try it all again (recovery > rom > etc...) but thanks anyways, atleast i know it wasnt just me!

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