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I'm sick of hearing people cry omg Tegra2 awesome. NO. It's great, but it's not going to make the Hummingbird obsolete. The Hummingbird has a better GPU. Balance it out and you get unnoticeable performance gains from a Tegra2. Not to mention the Tegra2 phones are coming out with Froyo which simply put doesn't have dual core optimizations, so in the end, it might even be SLOWER than the Nexus S.
What you should be waiting for is the Snapdragon and OMAP dual cores as well as the Orion. But these won't be out for a while, so why not get the Nexus S?
It's either or in this case. Don't choose a Tegra2 phone because it's a Tegra2. Choose it because it is the right phone you want, that will get upgades when you want, and is on the right carrier you want. Get a Tegra2 or a Hummingbird, that's all I have to say. They're about equal.
Just sick of the overpraise that the Tegra2 gets when we already have that power in the Nexus S.
NVIDIA - they went from ARM11 (Tegra 1) to Cortex A9 (Tegra 2), skipping Cortex A8 design altogether. Tegra 2's CPU core will be competitive but its GPU appears to be weaker than even PowerVR SGX540. Heck, even Qualcomm's Adreno 205 may outperform this GPU. On the plus side, Tegra 2 is already available on the market NOW, and smartphones based on Tegra 2 will appear during Q4 of 2010. (Read this article for more details on Tegra 2). Samsung, LG and Motorola have announced their intention of producing phones based on Tegra 2 so far.
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Power SGX540 = Hummingbird.
By no means am I saying to not get a Tegra2. All I'm saying is to not avoid the Hummingbird because you think the Tegra2 is that much better or something.
Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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If you're that desperate for a Tegra branded chip, hang onto your Nexus S until next Christmas and go for a quad core Tegra 3...
Jayrod1980 said:
Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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THANK YOU, WELL SAID...I was explaining this to someone the other day and it just wasnt making sense to them for som reason
Well you have the right spirit but little miss informed. What you fail to see is it has dual die so 2 proc thread can run each at 1ghz compared to 1 die 1ghz. I love how Samsung folks always has to bring the GPU in it whats your point? SGX540 is slightly by very small margin wins against Adreno 205. So does that mean NS can hold its ground with MT4G it has better GPU following your argument? No why due to higher memory that is allocated at faster speed.
But I myself would be waiting for Qualcomm to deploy dualcore for me thats when its serious business. Far as Samsung device goes it is already obsolete this is not rant of any from if you want to be head in the Tech world then you better have money for the changes which you will be required every 4-6months.
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Right on anderoid! Love hummingbird but I think I must have something wrong inside me. Kind off topic but I've had a siezure before and some epileptics electromagnetic field messes up semsitive electronics. After my workhorse 2 year old g1 I've had about 16 phones since then. 6 vibrants, 4 mytouch4g and warrantying my 5th and soon to be 6th sns. Granted not all problems have been pure hardware but these bleeding edge phones seem to be either fragile or sensitive.
That said, I love the nexus s. I loved humingbird in my vibrant and the awesome codecs but rfs and touchwiz and lag fixes drove me nuts. The nexus s on paper is amazing. Once you skin the outside or put a case, the scratch issue is pretty null and its such a clean beautiful phone. Cheap feeling? My ass. And it doesn't look anything like an iphone. The speed and battery life of hummingbird is amazing. Once google polishes gingerbread, especially gpu drivers or apps that jive better with it, I think people will regret passing it over. I've never had any slowdowns with it and dungeon defenders with no hacks or oc runs flawless.
Tegra 2 might turn out amazing but after tegra one was such a non starter (did it even make it into a phone?) And the gpu (nvidias pc meat and potatoes) not being as strong as an 8+ mo hummingbird, it seems to be a very short lived "king" if it amounts to that. I might end up very wrong but we will have to see what they bring when they finally go retail. The fact that the atrix needs a 1900mah battery scares me a bit. Maybe its needed for the extra ram and motoblur stuff, or extra resolution, but does anyone else not think it will get better battery life than the iphone4 or even the sns?
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Don't get me wrong, I love my Nexus S. Having had an Epic and an Evo I can easily say this is the most powerful phone I've ever owned; a fact that the people in the epic IRC like to try and dispute as we've established a stable 1.5GHz OC and they've never gone over 1.2GHz.
I love the graphics power it possesses and I definitely love that my friends with iPhones get jealous of how gorgeous the screen is and how blazingly fast the phone runs, even bone stock. However, I do have a few qualms:
I remember when the Nexus one came out. I still had a dumbphone but I had started looking at phones to get and then I found the Nexus One. It was by and large the most powerful phone on the market, nothing else even came close. Being on T-Mobile had given me access to the HTC Dream (G1) and the HTC Magic (MyTouch 3G) and neither of those phones were even close to what the Nexus One could do. Sadly, I was on a family plan and I couldn't afford to buy it off contract so I settled for a MT3G.
The memory of it faded and I had a chance to get off of my Family Plan on T-Mobile and join my wife on Sprint (who were going to be getting the Epic 4G) so I did it. Of course, it was a massive upgrade from my MT3G but I never particularly liked it. Eventually, I traded my Epic for an Evo and it was great. Not as fast or as powerful but I still quite enjoyed it. Then again, I had a chance to leave Sprint (I'd been very unhappy with them from the start) so I went back to T-Mobile and having read a little about the Nexus S I decided to buy one for both myself and my wife.
Again, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love it and so does my wife, but really when it comes down to brass tacks the Nexus S is pretty much a Vibrant without TouchWiz and with a NFC chip and a LED flash. The 'WOW' factor I had with the original Nexus just isn't there.
Is there anything wrong with the Hummingbird chip? Absolutely not. Its the most powerful processor in any phone on the market in the US without a doubt. But the Nexus line, to me, should be the pinnacle of Android performance. It should be the shining example of what the platform can do and where its going (like the Nexus One did with the Snapdragon and its eventual acceptance into most high-performance phones) and not feel like a re-badged five month old phone even if that phone is one of the best on the market. Had Samsung held off a little bit and made the Nexus S a dual-core phone I think it would easily usurp the Motorola Atrix from its lofty throne but as it stands it feels (and seems to be selling) like an afterthought.
Now, I'm still on the fence about these Tegra2 phones. Of course the gadget-whore in me wants to run out and buy one but the sensible part of me wants to see how they run and see how badly they eat battery life (as I'm sure no one can dispute they will). Will I eventually get one? Its more than likely, but I can't say when as I'm pretty happy with the Nexus S and I really like that updates are pushed out from Google and not a carrier or a manufacturer focused on selling more new handsets and less on supporting the ones they've already sold. Only time will tell.
That's just my two cents though.
I typically buy every new phone that comes out to try them and see if I liked it more them my blackberry bold 9700.. I would always end up selling them on ebay bc I didn't find much to love about them (i.e.- g2, vibrant, mt3g, g1 etc), after buying the nexus s, I was hooked. I had a nexus 1 for about two months and then sold that. It cracks me up to hear all the people already downing this nexus s. this phone is solid. I won't be switching to another phone unless it is pure google, no sense or touch whiz, and accompanies higher data speeds. A dual core would be nice , but until that happens, my nexus s is what I'm sticking with!
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The simple fact is Tegra 2 and the Hummingbird wont stand a chance against Qualcomms dual core processors. Android at this point in time is more optimised for Qualcomm and being an owner of the Desire HD and Nexus S i can tell you the desire HD is much smoother even with its HTC Sense bloatware. But i can't stand waiting for updates so i gave it to my sister. But my advice would be don't get any Tegra 2 devices and just wait for the big guns (qualcomm)!
nice GPU is nice, but GPU is mostly for games......for kids....you kids wanna play some games, get yourself an xbox or some ****....
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The simple fact is Tegra 2 and the Hummingbird wont stand a chance against Qualcomms dual core processors. Android at this point in time is more optimised for Qualcomm and being an owner of the Desire HD and Nexus S i can tell you the desire HD is much smoother even with its HTC Sense bloatware. But i can't stand waiting for updates so i gave it to my sister. But my advice would be don't get any Tegra 2 devices and just wait for the big guns (qualcomm)!
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Agreed, as when Qualcomm drops it thats when you know its serious business. Terga2 for the time being will hold the crown and make no mistake Hummingbird does not stand a chance against it.
Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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Wait? The hummingbird has always been faster cpu at the same Mz then a Qualcomm? Lets think about where your getting that idea..
The Hummingbird deffinitly outperforms the Nexus 1, Htc Desire etc etc which btw are all 1st gen yet i agree have the same 1Ghz clock speed. But still in cpu extensive tasks the 1st gen qualcomms are still not that far behind. Looking at the 2nd gen qualcomms however such as the HTC Desire HD we see the cpu out performing the Hummingbird and only been let down my an extremely marginal difference in the GPU performance. So forget about spec sheets and look at real world usage. Grab yourself a HTC Desire HD with a gingerbread rom (what i had) and a Nexus S and see for your self which wins. Im sorry but Samsung are ****, Google is the only good thing about the Nexus S, but thats good enough for me.
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Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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honestly i always thought that the first gen snapdragon, such as the nexus one, outperformed the current hummingbird CPU in a lot of certain types of computational tasks/tests. cpu vs cpu, its very close, the hummingbird doesnt have that much of an advantage. it does have a much better GPU, which is where it shines.
so i'd imagine if the first gen snapdragon is nearly matching current hummingbird, then imagine what second gen snapdragon dual core, smaller die, will do. (i understand hummingbird dual will also come out, but just saying it will still be close).
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honestly i always thought that the first gen snapdragon, such as the nexus one, outperformed the current hummingbird CPU in a lot of certain types of computational tasks/tests. cpu vs cpu, its very close, the hummingbird doesnt have that much of an advantage. it does have a much better GPU, which is where it shines.
so i'd imagine if the first gen snapdragon is nearly matching current hummingbird, then imagine what second gen snapdragon dual core, smaller die, will do. (i understand hummingbird dual will also come out, but just saying it will still be close).
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The second-gen snapdragon is the processor in the G2 and the Evo Shift 4G, isn't it?
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Orion is going to be the fastest duel core chipset in 2011. The cpu can clock close to 2 ghz per core. Will have the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks (but not real world improvements). The hummingbird has always been the faster cpu atthe same mhz then Qualcomms cpus. Orion chipset is using a quad core gpu that performs better then xbox 360 gpu. I can not find any duel core that out performs these specs.
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Actually, to expand upon this, the Orion will have a Cortex A9 which actually has "the same features that Qualcomms have that allow high linpack benchmarks," along with more features not found in the Snapdragon.
To be more specific, the Snapdragon has elements of speculative execution with branch prediction, which is most important area in which it differs from the Cortex A8 reference design. This causes its floating point performance (very important in 3D calculations) to be very high. Unfortunately for Qualcomm, though, even the Adreno 205 falls short in terms of performance. Thus, even though the Scorpion CPU core in the Snapdragon is better at 3D than the Hummingbird's Cortex A8, the Snapdragon's GPU is so castrated that it's much slower in games overall. As a side note, the Cortex A8 in the Hummingbird actually has 2 times the L2 cache compared to the reference A8 design.
The Cortex A9 in the Tegra 2, on the other hand, supports full out of order execution (in addition to speculative execution and branch prediction found in the Snapdragon's Scorpion CPU core). This yields roughly 25% higher IPC compared to the Cortex A8, which is why the CPU section of Tegra 2 benchmarks seem to be roughly that much faster than our Hummingbird. Benchmarks have been mixed for its GPU, as I pointed out here, though that could have been due to a higher screen resolution or immature drivers.
Bottom line is that while the CPU will be ~25% better per clock cycle than our Cortex A8 (when only using one core), its GPU is roughly on the same level--sometimes performing better, sometimes worse. Another thing to remember is that since the Hummingbird uses a PowerVR architecture, it is tile-based deferred rendering. This basically means that fillrate and memory bandwidth are much less of an issue than they are in traditional rendering methods.
What will differentiate Tegra 2 though (in my humble opinion) is software tailored for its strengths, which is what Tegra Zone will likely bring. Sure the Hummingbird's fast, and perhaps even better for GPU rendering, but the code optimized for the Tegra 2's GPU may perform better on a Tegra 2 than on our possibly-faster SGX 540.
Relax, just wait until all that Tegra 2 phones released.
Certainly there will be some reviews, comparisons, benchmarks, etc.
In the mean time, enjoy your Nexus S. It is fast enough for current apps that are available You don't need dual core to run Angry Birds
Then we can wait the next Nexus 3 !
kolyan said:
nice GPU is nice, but GPU is mostly for games......for kids....you kids wanna play some games, get yourself an xbox or some ****....
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Err what? GPU relates to the smoothness in transitions of the home screen, the smoothness of the browser, the smoothness of everything. It's not just about games good sir. Compare screen swiping with a live wallpaper on G2 vs Galaxy S on stock Launcher2 and prepare to see why GPU matters.
Or use a phone that doesn't even have a GPU. Like a Wildfire. Then throw it out the window.
Going further, you can't count Quadrant 3d scores on the Nexus S because it doesn't render properly due to Gingerbread incompatibility.
The other reason the Optimus 2x scores higher is the i/o part. If we do the same ext4 lagfix that is probably built into the 2x we get the same i/o as it, and about the same Quadrant, maybe a little lower due to the GPU not running properly ever on Quadrant with Gingerbread.
As for CPU, yes the Tegra2 will be better. It's an A9. However the differences will be subtle at best until the end of 2011 when things are optimized for the Tegra2, which by then both the Qualcomm and Orion god processors will be out.
As far as processing power between the Hummingbird and Snapdragon, it definitely is more powerful than the Nexus One's processor, and GPU knocks it off it's feet.
As for the 2nd gen Snapdragon vs Hummingbird, they're probably about equal processors. The GPU gives the Hummingbird the edge and you will notice it if you take a Live wallpaper and compare Launcher2.apk screen swipes on a G2 vs Nexus S. It is very nudgy on the G2, but smooth on Nexus S.
What causes the Snap Dragon to score so high in Linpack for instance is the FPU aka float processing unit which isn't really worth caring about when it comes to every day tasks.
But yes, the Tegra2 will definitely be a bit more powerful than the Hummingbird. But it won't be tons tons tons rapejob over 9000. This is why Google released the Nexus S with the Hummingbird without second thought.
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The second-gen snapdragon is the processor in the G2 and the Evo Shift 4G, isn't it?
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well yes, i was referring to the original snapdragon in the nexus one. i think the snapdragon in the G2 and evo shift is just the same snapdragon CPU with an improved GPU. so there's kinda 2 separate topics, CPU vs CPU, and then the GPU vs GPU. i believe the hummingbird and snapdragon CPU vs CPU is rather close, sometimes the snapdragon beats it, sometimes the hummingbird does. then add in the GPU, i believe the hummingbird GPU is better than the new snapddragon adreno. not sure by how much though.
but an example of why it's important for the GPU to actually be taken advantage of in code, the nexus s web browser doesnt seem to be using the GPU properly, so relying soley on CPU vs CPU, we see the nexus one perform BETTER on some types of web pages as the snapdragon seems to be either coded properly, or it is just better for those certain types of tasks. basically my opinion is snapdragon is a better CPU, but the hummingbird has the better GPU.
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The Nexus S really looks great, but I have doubts if I should really buy it when it's available in Germany/Austria or Switzerland...
The point is I start studying software development in the autumn 2011 and can't afford a new phone each year and would use the phone for about 2 years.
So my question is:
Will I have fun with this phone (as a developer) for the following 2 years or should I buy a more powerful phone?
Note: Currently I have a Nokia 5800 and I definitely want a new one because the bugs are annoying even with ported C6-Firmware it is not really satisfying...
thanks you very much!
Just having a little look around and found that the HTC One XL has listed 32GB internal storage on the Australian HTC site.
I'd attach a link, but it looks like you just have to google it ;]
Unfortunately because the only thing holding me back from getting the XL was 16GB of storage, Ive already purchased the HOX, just waiting for it to arrive.
Sorry if this is old news.
I would still prefer a quad-core One X over a dual-core XL
good work! all we need are about 50,000 more threads and we can have 1 for every member! how many xda members are there?
Well, I thought it was in the general interest to people as I know a few people were bothered about the 16GB on the LTE version of this phone, so I was just giving out the news, I did have a look around and didn't see any other thread giving this information out..
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Well, I thought it was in the general interest to people as I know a few people were bothered about the 16GB on the LTE version of this phone, so I was just giving out the news, I did have a look around and didn't see any other thread giving this information out..
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That's because they would be in the one xl forum!
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That's because they would be in the one xl forum!
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I would still prefer a quad-core One X over a dual-core XL
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Krait Dual-Core 1.5Ghz 28nm > Tegra 3 Quad-Core 1.5Ghz 40nm
If you had a Dual Core phone before, the Tegra 3 isn't much different, since it has to scale over to the 4 cores which is less likely, whereas the Krait is similar to the A15 Architecture and produces better performance which is why no-one has experience lag on the HTC One S due to faster processor and the smaller resolution. Also battery life is easily going to be better due to the 28nm compared to Tegra 3 Companion Core 40nm.
The Tegra 3 GPU isn't much powerful to the Adreno 225, on GLBenchmark they are both are equal (720p Offscreen, 1 each) and Adreno 225 beats the Tegra 3 in Nenamark 2.
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Krait Dual-Core 1.5Ghz 28nm > Tegra 3 Quad-Core 1.5Ghz 40nm
If you had a Dual Core phone before, the Tegra 3 isn't much different, since it has to scale over to the 4 cores which is less likely, whereas the Krait is similar to the A15 Architecture and produces better performance which is why no-one has experience lag on the HTC One S due to faster processor and the smaller resolution. Also battery life is easily going to be better due to the 28nm compared to Tegra 3 Companion Core 40nm.
The Tegra 3 GPU isn't much powerful to the Adreno 225, on GLBenchmark they are both are equal (720p Offscreen, 1 each) and Adreno 225 beats the Tegra 3 in Nenamark 2.
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Well we can't really allow the One X to fight against the One S because there are too many variables. When the AT&T version of the One X comes out with the LTE support and One S' processor, then we can actually see the difference.
I agree that sometimes dual core processors can process fast through benchmarks, but then benchmarks can be flawed and tampered with. Also with many factors which could affect raw power testing, as you said resolution difference, background services, etc.
There is a reason why the One S doesn't have the carousel affect when sliding the bars on the bottom to switch menus. It runs a smaller OS, which in turn allows it to have a smaller footprint than One X's heavily bloated OS.
It may be fast over a short period of time, to process small things, but, let's say for computers, if I had to render a 1 minute video on a dual core machine, it will take 5 minutes, but on a quad core machine it will take 2.8 minutes or below. I think of the long period of using a quad core device, and the capabilities in which it hasn't fully utilized yet.
Also when you said dual core, yeah, I had a Samsung Galaxy S II and a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. You can get their ROMs under 200mb for the full Touchwiz experience, while to get a full Sense 4.0 experience, you have a ROM which can go over 600mb easily. The Galaxy S II in my opinion was a very fast device when I used it, all the raw power it had, but as I said, sometimes you just can't compare them because there are way too many variables. Physically if none had an OS, okay fine, you can test, but the way many people test speeds have affected results in at least two ways.
That's my opinion, many people think differently, but I guess people could see where I'm going
Have to say the one s runs like a champ. That thing fast. Faster than my one x. Smooth and snappier. I don't care to much about quadrant but the ones s I've tried scored 5400 lol and transitions were butter. Snappier and smoother than my quad core lol. On the other hand I've also tried the one x dual core from att. I think.that's the same as the xl. That one was laggy and not smaooth as the one.s so one s wins.
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let's say for computers, if I had to render a 1 minute video on a dual core machine, it will take 5 minutes, but on a quad core machine it will take 1 minute or below.
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Ummm, what? If you take an Intel E6600 and a Q6600, the quad core is twice as powerful, in theory. You can't get a 5 times speedup! You can't even get a 2 times speedup, since some of the workload isn't parallelisable.
This is completely irrelevant, however, since has already has been mentioned, the Tegra3 and Snapdragons are quite different.
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Ummm, what? If you take an Intel E6600 and a Q6600, the quad core is twice as powerful, in theory. You can't get a 5 times speedup! You can't even get a 2 times speedup, since some of the workload isn't parallelisable.
This is completely irrelevant, however, since has already has been mentioned, the Tegra3 and Snapdragons are quite different.
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Sorry, that was a pretty bad comparison, since I don't really have a quad core computer, only 8 core (4cores+imaginary4cores) I don't really know the exact comparison, but at least you know where i'm trying to get at
The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless. Seems you're already on Team HTC's bandwagon so you're mind is made up. There will be a billion GS3 posts on XDA and they will all won't be worth a ****.
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Have you owned both devices personally yet? Until.you've had both side by side doing the same exact things then there is no way to properly determined.which is superior. Benchmarks are worthless.
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Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
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Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
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lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
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BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.
HTC..is interesting..very interesting
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The flagship of Samsung is now up and whoa! That is some latest piece of tech.
Specifications:
Samsung Galaxy SIII:
4.8" 720p SUPER AMOLED (pentile) Display.
1.4 GHz Quad Core.
8MP rear / 1.9MP front camera.
2100 mAh battery
16/32GB storage (64 coming soon) with sd card slot.
ICS with Touchwiz 4.0
HTC ONE X:
4.7" 720p Super LCD2 Display.
1.5 GHz Quad core.
8MP rear / 1.3MP front camera.
1800mAh battery.
32GB internal storage with no SD Card slot.
ICS with HTC Sense 4.0
My Opinion:
Well, specs ain't the only thing. The overall performance, feel in hand and overall experience of the phone really counts. I don't think it's a big leap forward as we already know HTC ONE X is a beast in itself.
I prefer HOX because I don't like touchwiz UI of Samsung and the build quality is better in HTC ofcourse.
Many people will go against me and that's how it goes in the world.
* Sense 4.0 is better than touchwiz.
* ImageSense is better than SIII camera.
* 1.5 GHz quad core (penta core to be precise) is better than 1.4 GHz Quad Core.
* The shape is actually better than SIII. Didn't like the shape of SIII. The shape is a serious letdown for me.
*I'll vote for One X against SIII*
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Buy the one you like. Vote for the one you admire. This sort of competition is good for the new technology. And at the end of the day THE BEST phone is one which is in your hands.
Enjoy your phone. Enjoy the talks.
Like THIS for a compliment.
Would love to listen from you people.
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Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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Yeah benchmarks are useless. That's why I didn't bring them into discussion.
I'm comparing the SPECS ONLY and there you see One X smashes SGSIII.
SGIII is built of polycarbonate as well but coated a sort of plastic layer (don't remember the name exactly) and that's ridiculous.
The bright shiny 720p SUPER LCD2 outclasses Pentile 720p Super Amoled.
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Really interesting guys! There are 2 chances.
1- You didn't see a amoled screen.
2- You don't know about specs. Because One X doesn't have chance to own SGS3. Like S2 and Sensation. Even my sgs1 is faster and more ram than sensation.
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Omg. Galaxy S3 GPU and CPU is much much better and best CPU and GPU on a mobile. New GPU is 400mhz. Just WTF. Even screen is best screen until today. I don't care about fancy stuff but new touchwiz is better than sense for me. REMEMBER THIS. Galaxy S with froyo have HW accelerated browser because of touchwiz. No one can touch S3 now. Tell me about glup. Byes.
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CPU & GPU won't make a difference until you play games HD games on the phone all day long. And for daily workings both are more than enough.
Whoa! You're kiddin' me. The pentile display is way too awkward. THIS IS NOT THE BEST SCREEN.
UI may come down to personal preference so not in discussion.
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lmao biased much? only thing that is better is the screen.
Polycarbonate comes at the expense of microSD and (smaller) built in battery. Along with better battery you can pull out GS3 has a 32nm SOC instead of 40something which also saves battery and heats less.
Maybe the 7th One X you'll return will be on par with GS3.
BTW Touchwiz vs Sense is kinda pointless as it depends on user preference, and anyhow were on XDA and you know how easy it is to just flash something different.
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32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Both of them are great but I prefer Huawei ascend quad XL it has better specs
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32nm and 40nm actually have NO serious difference. Even S4 Snapdragon being 28mm isn't a outdated product. This actually is a no difference. Fifth core on One X is assigned to do the job as you've mentioned, less heat & longer battery.
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Sorry, but you're very very very wrong here. The difference between 40 and 32 is 20% less battery power for any given task. Between 40 and 28 is closer to 40% less battery usage.
Fifth core on Tegra 3 is technically retarded. Read Nvidia's white paper. The CPU can't have the fifth core on at the same time as any of the others, so Tegra 3 only saves battery power if you're not actually using your phone and it's only doing background tasks while the screen is off.
Furthermore, Tegra 3 has no dynamic voltage control. So if you were to watch a movie on a T3 device, and your email refreshes in the background, it would use the same processor power and clock speed as watching 2 movies at the same time. Both Krait S4 and Exynos 4 have dynamic voltage control.
Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.
I had a SGS2... Moved from that to HTC One X because i just couldn't stand their TouchWiz UI..
The development on the SGS2 haven't been as i hoped, mainly due to their drivers.
Sorry, but i will stick with my HTC One X
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Personally, I'd rather not have either device and wait for the LTE Padfone.
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What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars
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What is the price of the Padphone at the release? I know you can preorder it around 1000 dollars
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If you do a comparison vs what you would pay otherwise, it's actually much cheaper to get a Padfone than the alternatives.
Padfone+Padfone Station+Station Dock+BT stylus= ~$1000
Est. cost for data on ATT: $20-50 depending on plan size, $30 unlimited if you're grandfathered in like me
Apple:
iPhone 4S= $600
iPad 3rd gen= $600
BT keyboard case= $50
Total: $1250
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
Android:
HTC One X= $650
Transformer Prime+KB Dock= $700
Total: $1350
Est. cost for data on ATT: $65 per month
So you actually save at least $250 initially, and another $360-$1080 from data costs (Calculated using ATT required 5gb plan for data tethering= $65 per month, cheapest alternate for separate data plans is $55 per month).
If you're a particularly frugal data user, the Padfone system will actually pay for itself and leave you $80 further in the black than you were before your purchase compared to the alternatives!
All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.
The problem is phones are very expensive here and the price won't go down anytime soon the price of galaxy S II is higher than neighboring countries and the price went up when the G model was announced Asus products are very expensive here TF 101 + keyboard dock costs more than the prime + dock. Thank God Dubai isn't far
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All of these international One X fans need to remember that the dual core AT&T One X beats out the quad core international tegra 3 version in terms of performance. The quad core exynos is going to SMASH the One X! That being said, I still like the One X better. The SGSIII is like the GNEX's ugly little sister.
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Why would the Exynos chip in the SG3 be faster than the Tegra 3 in the One X?
They're both A9 chips, Exynos is clocked at 1.4 while Tegra 3 is clocked at 1.5. Sure, the Exynos chip has wonderful features like the 32nm build and dynamic voltage control, but those only affect how efficiently it uses the battery. What affects speed is your Cortex class (both A9) and your clock speed, in which case Tegra 3 should theoretically perform slightly better.
I'm pretty sure any speed differences are going to come down to the differences between TouchWiz and Sense, not the specs on the phone.
And therefore, ATT One XL with the extended battery and the Krait S4 chip will probably perform better than the SG3 by the same degree that testing shows that it already performs better than the Tegra 3 One X.
Both of these phones have pretty awesome specs, so in that respect, I think personal preference is going to overrule anything else.
BUT, I have the Amaze 4G, and HTC has made it impossible (so far) to make a ROM that isn't based on their own Sense based ROM. As far as what I can see, HTC's One line is going to be even harder to develop. I enjoy trying different ROMs way too much to stick with HTC from this point forward (unless HTC changes their evil ways ).
As far as the different launchers, I haven't ever really liked a stock launcher on Samsung, HTC, or even LG (I think Cyanogenmod finally got it right with Trebuchet in their CM9 builds). I almost always put in a custom launcher.
i like samsung galaxy s3
ram management in htc one x is si bad
Let's take a look at the facts:
Screen :We will see who has the better screen when the reviews are released.
Proccesor :As shown on the becnhmarks the SGS3 is the faster one.
GPU :Again the SGS3 as shown by the recent benchmarks
Battery :SGS3 has an exchangable batter the HTC One X does not.SGS3 has also the bigger battery.
MicroSD :SGS3
Front camera :SGS3 again 1.3 vs 2.0 MPX
Back camera :Still unknown who has the better camera,but that will be revelead soon.
Storage:SGS3 again 64 GB + micro SD ,HTC ONE X 32 GB no microsd
Design :That's a matter of taste.
The SGS3 is obviously the better phone hardware wise plus it has many more features like eye tracking and S voice that the HTC ONE X lacks.
- UI I could care less what each has. I'm an XDA member and never have stock... lol.
- Processors sound like they'll be identical on the US phones, so that's a non-issue for me as well.
- HTC's lack of SD is a bit worrisome for me since the US only has 16 GB. That may limit what I can store, especially as apps get bigger and bigger. So there's one mark against the One X for me.
- Screens, the Galaxy is a tiny bit bigger, but I need to see peoples reviews that have been able to spend time with both to judge. What's on paper doesn't always matter.
- Camera is kind of important to me. I'm sick of my Captivates crappy camera. Reviews of the One X make it sound like it's awesome. I haven't seen much mention of the S3's yet besides "it looks good". Will have to see how reviewers rate it. It also sounded like the models they were showcasing weren't the final product for the camera either or am I just imagining things?
- GPS is important to me too. Again.. Captivate.... OMG!! I've heard nothing bad yet about the One X, and heard nothing about the S3, so we'll see.
- Aesthetics, build quality, etc... meh, whatever. It's a phone. It sits in my pocket. It goes in my hand and I look at the screen. I don't really care all that much what other people think of my phone while I'm mesmerized by the screen. If panels are falling off, buttons breaking etc. yeah that's bad but I'm pretty confident that won't happen on either phone.
So given that the One X already has a mark against it due to the lack of SD card slot and tiny 16 GB storage (I'm on a 2 GB plan, not unlimited so cloud and stuff isn't a very viable option for me) the S3 would have to have a crappy camera and or faulty GPS for me to consider the One X over it I think.
Hey guys,
I've been using the T-Mobile USA Samsung Galaxy S2 for about 9 months now, but it recently had a screen issue that required a warranty replacement.
T-Mobile has offered to replace it with another S2, or with a One S.
My last HTC was the HD2 and MyTouch 4g, both of which I loved. But having used the S2 for awhile now, it has been a great device.
I could use some help if anyone here has used both phones and cares to offer an opinion. Is there a major difference in the screen?
1s>s2. S3 would be a wobbler
el_smurfo said:
1s>s2.
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Can you expound on that?
Better specs and build all around
el_smurfo said:
Better specs and build all around
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How about the screen? I've read that the SGS2's super amoled is better than the One S. Not sure if that's accurate or not...
1s is great. Go compare for yourself if this concerned with a phone. On the Internet you will only get subjective opinions that are meaningless
One s all the way .... But then again I dont like Samsung much
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maek_it_happen said:
One s all the way .... But then again I dont like Samsung much
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I just finished reading the AnandTech review of the One S, and it's pretty glowing.
Odd as it may seem, I think the biggest hangup I have is how used to TouchWiz I am!
I know many people hate it, but it has grown on me.
That, and I hate to give up the MicroSD card slot. I keep a lot of music and pictures on my phone.
I'm really leaning towards the One S,tho.
nova hands said:
Hey guys,
I've been using the T-Mobile USA Samsung Galaxy S2 for about 9 months now, but it recently had a screen issue that required a warranty replacement.
T-Mobile has offered to replace it with another S2, or with a One S.
My last HTC was the HD2 and MyTouch 4g, both of which I loved. But having used the S2 for awhile now, it has been a great device.
I could use some help if anyone here has used both phones and cares to offer an opinion. Is there a major difference in the screen?
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From my experience. I owed some of your phone and HTC One S never let me down. The screen isn't big compared to SG2, but design is elegant, sexy slim.
If course it offer sense 4.0 and development thread offered option roms.
And you're into big screen and newer tech you best options is SG3.
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nova hands said:
I just finished reading the AnandTech review of the One S, and it's pretty glowing.
Odd as it may seem, I think the biggest hangup I have is how used to TouchWiz I am!
I know many people hate it, but it has grown on me.
That, and I hate to give up the MicroSD card slot. I keep a lot of music and pictures on my phone.
I'm really leaning towards the One S,tho.
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My sis had a Samsung , thing was nothing but problems. Since going to an HTC device and using sense she know realises how much better HTC is .
I must note that the biggest difference is Samsung phones are open to root users .
If HTC only allowed s-off ....:banghead:
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If HTC only allowed s-off ....:banghead:
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My SGS2 hasn't had a single issue until the line in the screen showed up.
So the HTC can't be rooted? I don't understand what you mean...
No obviously it can be rooted , didn'tean to confuse or mislead . It's just certain HTC devices don't have an exploit for s-off .... Wich means boot IMG need to be flashed separaty in fastboot after you flash your Rom . Once/if we ever get s-off then you could flash normally ,
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S2's Super AMOLED Plus display crushes the One S display. On my One S, I had signal issues. Plus the One S doesn't have a removable battery or expansion slot. Although the One S does have a sleek design and a better S4 SnapDragon processor (assuming the replacement is S4)
The one S is the much better phone.
Advantages of one S, assuming you get the S4 version:
- audio (the best audio there is along with the GS 3 and possibly the iphone 5 now)
- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3 and the X when it comes to performance per core, power efficiency and heat) and it is the fastest device I have used to date, faster than the GS 3 quad etc.
- best battery life excluding the RAZR max and possibly the iphone 5
- better screen than the GS 2 (read anandtech's review, they class it as being the best SAMOLED display they have ever used essentially) The only downside of it is that it isn't 720P and slightly larger, but the calibration of the screen is very good and IMO the overall quality when it comes to the colours etc. is better than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- build/perceived quality
- IMO design/looks
- one of the best cameras, although 1080P recording isn't great
- sense V4 IMO (the camera UI and features can't be matched as well as a few other things)
- NLED, although a crap NLED
Disadvantages for some people:
- low internal storage (10GB for videos, photos etc. and 2.21 GB for apps) and no SD slot
- no NFC
- non removable battery
Advantages of the GS 2 over the S:
- removable battery
- SD slot
- better developing community
- 1080P recording in terms of smoothness and light metering
The phone is superb, however, HTC's support for the S with regards to the updates is shocking and is why I might move to one of the new nexus devices if they match or better the S!
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- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3)
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hahaha
Don't compare quadcore A9 with dual core A15.
Our Krait is fast but is a piece of **** comparing with quadcore from exynos.
GPU is sucks here also. We can't even play full 1080p video in desktop mod, because ****ty adreno 225. Games are lags also.
U didn't see that ? No ? Because you do not know the difference
Quadcore is a quadcore son. Don't be stupid.
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Don't compare quadcore A9 with dual core A15.
Our Krait is fast but is a piece of **** comparing with quadcore from exynos.
GPU is sucks here also. We can't even play full 1080p video in desktop mod, because ****ty adreno 225. Games are lags also.
U didn't see that ? No ? Because you do not know the difference
Quadcore is a quadcore son. Don't be stupid.
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I see you haven't educated yourself any further since I last pwned you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31643039&postcount=14
Back to your nursing home "pa". Leave technology to the younger generation.
PS. Regarding the 1080P not being played back, ever heard of a thing called software optimization? I guess you haven't......
Take those 1080P youtube videos and play them back in BS player and they work flawlessly.
Also what games are these? Poorly optimized games? Every game I have tried has been super smooth on the S.
HTH
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I see you haven't educated yourself any further since I last pwned you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31643039&postcount=14
Back to your nursing home "pa". Leave technology to the younger generation.
PS. Regarding the 1080P not being played back, ever heard of a thing called software optimization? I guess you haven't......
Take those 1080P videos and play them back in BS player and they work flawlessly.
Also what games are these? Poorly optimized games? Every game I have tried has been super smooth on the S.
HTH
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S III Release date: 22 May 2012
and your review made in May 01 2012.
Let me guess ATT decided to pay for review, so as a to resist fraud complaints.
Im gonna see later on review when they will release Galaxy note2 with quadcore.
I can say samething like u do....benchmarking is not optimized for quadcore.
And any way Krait A15 it's based on the same instruction set as the new ARM A15 processors"
please be sure to make clear the Qualcomm "Krait" Soc's are NOT full A15 architectures. they are BASED on A9's with heavily modified architectural features from the A15 ARM reference design, but the Krait is NOT a full A15.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well.
there are many differences between Qualcomm's S4 "Krait" architecture and ARM's A15 design.
Just as Qualcomm's "Scorpion" A8-based chips weren't completely A9's either although they were heavily modified to include some A9 features.
Egypt test favors Vertex shading power, and Mali400 is intentionally lacking in that department. If you were to built a test that was pixel shader heavy, the results would be more balanced. You saw this same kind of thing happen in the GeForce 7, Radion X1900 era, when it was nVidia that decided it was better to have more Pixel power than Vertex power. The SGX doesn't haven't to worry about that since it's USA.
Remember how much it had not been optimized it still dual. And it means that you are limited in the maximum load. (DUAL WITH THE DAMN LOW RESOLUTION ! Which is BIG POINTS in benchmarking.)
U never use your phone how I do. Try to run media in car by Bluetooth, and surf the internet. when your google navigation is ON. What u gonna say now ? Is not optimized yet? Now do everything same on quadcore exynos...it will do it "like a boss".
I can give you fact after fact for a long time...but it's no point. U just got HTC one s...and I got cellphone store. I do not need to read reviews, I'm the one who makes them.
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The one S is the much better phone.
Advantages of one S, assuming you get the S4 version:
- audio (the best audio there is along with the GS 3 and possibly the iphone 5 now)
- best CPU chipset (CPU is better than the quad in the GS 3 and the X when it comes to performance per core, power efficiency and heat) and it is the fastest device I have used to date, faster than the GS 3 quad etc.
- best battery life excluding the RAZR max and possibly the iphone 5
- better screen than the GS 2 (read anandtech's review, they class it as being the best SAMOLED display they have ever used essentially) The only downside of it is that it isn't 720P and slightly larger, but the calibration of the screen is very good and IMO the overall quality when it comes to the colours etc. is better than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- build/perceived quality
- IMO design/looks
- one of the best cameras, although 1080P recording isn't great
- sense V4 IMO (the camera UI and features can't be matched as well as a few other things)
- NLED, although a crap NLED
Disadvantages for some people:
- low internal storage (10GB for videos, photos etc. and 2.21 GB for apps) and no SD slot
- no NFC
- non removable battery
Advantages of the GS 2 over the S:
- removable battery
- SD slot
- better developing community
- 1080P recording in terms of smoothness and light metering
The phone is superb, however, HTC's support for the S with regards to the updates is shocking and is why I might move to one of the new nexus devices if they match or better the S!
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Thanks for the in-depth comparison. This really helps me make a decision.
I hate to give up the quality 1080p recording of the S2, but the One S just seems like the next step in tech.
I'm gonna give it a shot because of the things you've mentioned, and because I'm guaranteed to get a new phone vs. a potentially refurbished S2.
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S III Release date: 22 May 2012
and your review made in May 01 2012.
Let me guess ATT decided to pay for review, so as a to resist fraud complaints.
Im gonna see later on review when they will release Galaxy note2 with quadcore.
I can say samething like u do....benchmarking is not optimized for quadcore.
And any way Krait A15 it's based on the same instruction set as the new ARM A15 processors"
please be sure to make clear the Qualcomm "Krait" Soc's are NOT full A15 architectures. they are BASED on A9's with heavily modified architectural features from the A15 ARM reference design, but the Krait is NOT a full A15.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well.
there are many differences between Qualcomm's S4 "Krait" architecture and ARM's A15 design.
Just as Qualcomm's "Scorpion" A8-based chips weren't completely A9's either although they were heavily modified to include some A9 features.
Egypt test favors Vertex shading power, and Mali400 is intentionally lacking in that department. If you were to built a test that was pixel shader heavy, the results would be more balanced. You saw this same kind of thing happen in the GeForce 7, Radion X1900 era, when it was nVidia that decided it was better to have more Pixel power than Vertex power. The SGX doesn't haven't to worry about that since it's USA.
Remember how much it had not been optimized it still dual. And it means that you are limited in the maximum load. (DUAL WITH THE DAMN LOW RESOLUTION ! Which is BIG POINTS in benchmarking.)
U never use your phone how I do. Try to run media in car by Bluetooth, and surf the internet. when your google navigation is ON. What u gonna say now ? Is not optimized yet? Now do everything same on quadcore exynos...it will do it "like a boss".
I can give you fact after fact for a long time...but it's no point. U just got HTC one s...and I got cellphone store. I do not need to read reviews, I'm the one who makes them.
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What?
Your post makes no sense at all apart from the middle part......Please learn how to write proper English with the correct use of grammar before posting.
Anyway, taking parts of your post that I can just about make out.
What review are you talking about? None of the reviews I have linked to were created on the 1st May and my review was done near the end of April.
Yes, benchmarking apps aren't optimised for quad core, therefore every expert review site will still use it anyway, seems legit.......
Emm, I said to compare the XL instead of the S, due to the S having a lower res. than the GS 3. The XL has the same res. as the GS 3 and it still beats the GS 3 quad in those benchmarks that I posted.....
I have never used my phone for that, so I can't comment from my own experience on that particular usage. What you are referring to is multi-tasking, which HTC have ****ed up on, they even said it is a "feature", therefore that is why you are probably having issues with doing those 3 things at the same time, again down to software optimization, not hardware.
Ok so you have this "cellphone store" of yours, yet you use a HTC one S as your main phone instead of your beloved GS 3, yeah ok........
nova hands said:
Thanks for the in-depth comparison. This really helps me make a decision.
I hate to give up the quality 1080p recording of the S2, but the One S just seems like the next step in tech.
I'm gonna give it a shot because of the things you've mentioned, and because I'm guaranteed to get a new phone vs. a potentially refurbished S2.
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No problem
Got the One S last week.
Absolutely love this phone, but my reception at home and at work has suffered as a result of the switch.
I'm not sure why, but I don't get enough signal in my house to make a call now. I was getting 2 solid bars of service with my Galaxy S2.
Are there different radios for this device that I can try?
After playing with both phones for some time now, I decided to root my x and see which one comes out for daily use, not benchmarking. I have to say the 1 is much more enjoyable with CM10, and the battery life compared to the 1+ is much better. I do miss the dedicated headphone amp and 64GB of memory, but overall I'm much happier with the 1...who would have thought it!
I wanted the one x+, but I would've had to wait two weeks for it at my local att store... I'm happy I took the one x, and will hopefully root it once my 14 day return period with att is up
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Apart from the few things like extra storage there's no way I would consider the X+ an upgrade from the X (XL in my case). The Tegra 3 is an inferior chip in my opinion even ramping up the clock speed, increasing the battery capacity was needed to handle the extra battery drain from an already inefficient chip.
I don't think quad-cores are ready for phones yet, you can see with the Nexus 4 that the quad-core version of the same chip we have in the XL also sucks down the juice like nobody's business. My wife has the international One X with the Tegra 3 and it gets real warm even in just normal use, likewise the Nexus 4 reportedly gets quite hot and benchmark scores come in low because of thermal throttling of the cpu.
The high clocked quad of the X+ is all marketing.
Always searching for the greener pasture.
Sarsippius said:
Apart from the few things like extra storage there's no way I would consider the X+ an upgrade from the X (XL in my case). The Tegra 3 is an inferior chip in my opinion even ramping up the clock speed, increasing the battery capacity was needed to handle the extra battery drain from an already inefficient chip.
I don't think quad-cores are ready for phones yet, you can see with the Nexus 4 that the quad-core version of the same chip we have in the XL also sucks down the juice like nobody's business. My wife has the international One X with the Tegra 3 and it gets real warm even in just normal use, likewise the Nexus 4 reportedly gets quite hot and benchmark scores come in low because of thermal throttling of the cpu.
The high clocked quad of the X+ is all marketing.
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I think the issue with the nexus 4 is Android 4.2. All devices running it are getting pretty ho hum battery life. Several others bugs as well.
But yeah S4 (even dual) beats Tegra 3.
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I think the issue with the nexus 4 is Android 4.2. All devices running it are getting pretty ho hum battery life. Several others bugs as well.
But yeah S4 (even dual) beats Tegra 3.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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OP so did you totally get rid of your One X+? I just picked it up and although I'm pretty satisfied with performance it's the battery life that kills me...
i'm hoping after removing some ATT bloatware with the recent root it improves but not sure...