Must pay 1.25 Million
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/07/3...ng-apps-please-pay-1-25-million-to-say-sorry/
Just saw this too, great news for all!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/verizon-to-stop-blocking-tethering-apps-settles-with-fcc-for-1/
this is a good day for verizon customers
Looks like Verizon got hit where they normally hit us.
I'll be waiting for the sanctimonious lot who bleated that those of us who tethered were immoral violators of the ToS to apologize. Think that'll happen?
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I'll be waiting for the sanctimonious lot who bleated that those of us who tethered were immoral violators of the ToS to apologize. Think that'll happen?
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No Sir, they will still say we were wrong.
No we need a ruling for bootloaders and all will be right in the development world.
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I wonder if the "Unlimited free tethering" in the new share everything plans is a result of this ruling? Either way, I'm not complaining!
Unlimited free tethering ?
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This must be why today when I was looking for tether apps in the market there is a lot more listed
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Unlimited users can still be charged to tether. Just a PSA.
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Unlimited free tethering ?
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The new share everything plans include tethering. It's still limited to your allocation of data.
The ruling is interesting, it doesn't specifically include Unlimited users, but as the GigaOm article states - There's no way to have the Play Store block an app for an unlimited vs. limited user.
As for the previous complaints etc - By tethering on a pre-auction (2008) plan, you were willfully circumventing blocks that Verizon had every legal right to put into place. The whole "It's MY data, I'll use it however I want!" attitude is invalid at that point. Post-auction, however, it's all in the clear, though Verizon could make the argument that you're still in violation if you tether while not on an LTE connection, as that is the only service they're running over their BlockC spectrum.
Regardless, this is great. I just emailed everyone I know at work that is on a tiered data plan and has the tethering add-on. Most of them aren't using anywhere near their 4GB (double-data promotion), let alone the 2GB add-on, so they can save quite a bit by turning off the add on to their plan.
This is why data plans for Verizon went for the worst. They knew this was coming down and had to act fast to prevent major losses on tethering for data consumption.
Good bye HTC Rezound, hello Galaxy S3!
May not "limit" C block spectrum
I think there would be a case against the limited data plans that VZW only sells these days. For the C spectrum, this was the understanding when Verizon bought it. Note that we went from unlimited data to certainly a limit on what can be used under the new shared plans
"The statement went on to explain that Verizon currently uses the C-block spectrum to offer 4G LTE services to subscribers, but when it purchased the spectrum, it was with the understanding that licensees offering service on the spectrum "shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C-block network," with very few exceptions."
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I think there would be a case against the limited data plans that VZW only sells these days. For the C spectrum, this was the understanding when Verizon bought it. Note that we went from unlimited data to certainly a limit on what can be used under the new shared plans
"The statement went on to explain that Verizon currently uses the C-block spectrum to offer 4G LTE services to subscribers, but when it purchased the spectrum, it was with the understanding that licensees offering service on the spectrum "shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C-block network," with very few exceptions."
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Doubtful. I think you read that wrong. It doesn't say anything about limited data consumption. Just what hardware and applications can be used. Also with the limited plans they are not restricting how much data you use, you can still use as much as you want, long as you want to pay the overages.
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Will this have any impact on getting Google Wallet unblocked? Haven't used it myself to know how it works with data.
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Wouldn't this have some relation to the locked boot loader? I mean locking down a bootloader is not allowing us to use data any way we want is it? Or maybe it is and its just not allowing us to use our phone the way we want.
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Wouldn't this have some relation to the locked boot loader? I mean locking down a bootloader is not allowing us to use data any way we want is it? Or maybe it is and its just not allowing us to use our phone the way we want.
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Locking down the boot loader stops you from running butchered radios, kernels, etc.
There is nothing that states they must have an unlocked boot loader. My understanding is all it says is that if you have one they cannot stop you from using that phone on their network. So what really needs to happen, is samsung needs to grow some balls like HTC did and release an unlock tool for the SGSIII and tell Verizon tough ****. It isn't like Verizon is going to stop carrying Samsung phones, that'd be stupid. If Samsung did this Verizon couldn't stop them.
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Locking down the boot loader stops you from running butchered radios, kernels, etc.
There is nothing that states they must have an unlocked boot loader. My understanding is all it says is that if you have one they cannot stop you from using that phone on their network. So what really needs to happen, is samsung needs to grow some balls like HTC did and release an unlock tool for the SGSIII and tell Verizon tough ****. It isn't like Verizon is going to stop carrying Samsung phones, that'd be stupid. If Samsung did this Verizon couldn't stop them.
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AGREED!!!!!
Hope this will make them also stop blocking Google wallet.
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http://arstechnica.com/#!/gadgets/n...tethering-customers-may-violate-fcc-rules.ars
I'm at work and cannot confirm that vzw is now redirecting all 3rd party teathering apps to its sign-up page for teathering. Can anyone confirm this?
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not sure if you're refering to just wireless or all tethering, but PDA Net still works just fine.
Funny that the article discusses a "jailbroken" Droid X and pictures and iphone.
Nevertheless, this is why I decided to pay for unlimited tethering, no more looking over my shoulder. With my wife's discount on service it was a great deal.
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Meh, let them try. I tethered all weekend driving from DC to Philedelphia and back
There is absolutely no way they can call tethering a provided "service" beyond simply providing data to the phones. What we do with that data is none of their dam business. If you are forced into a tiered data plan, it should not be up to them how you may use that limited data. If you want to tether and use your whole allowance on day one of the month, that should be your right.
No issues. Its working fine on mine.
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my "jailbroken" Thunderbolt is in tethercity with no concerns.
in fact, that's how I'm posting this.
-sent from my massive e-persona in which I attempt to convince you everything I do is Like A Bo$$
Good luck trying to block it. They can request the apps removed from market. We'll just download them elsewhere. They should be spending their energy on something more customer friendly, and stop trying to punish people.
Ita impossivle for verizon to determine if u are downloading bigass files on ur phone or through thetering.
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Ita impossivle for verizon to determine if u are downloading bigass files on ur phone or through thetering.
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To them it doesn't matter. If you're downloading 80GB+ per month, which some are, you're abusing the network.
They'll more than likely develop a throttling system for extreme users. It's not fair for them to suck up all of my bandwidth if they're too cheap to pay for regular internet or the hotspot feature.
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I had heard with LTE they have more control over the network and would actually be able to tell if it was your phone or if it was a PC attached to the network through tethering.
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I had heard with LTE they have more control over the network and would actually be able to tell if it was your phone or if it was a PC attached to the network through tethering.
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They will never be able to tell those things unless inspecting your packets.....which is an obvious violation of privacy
Using Barnacle and traveling around the country at the moment, no issues here.
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I had heard with LTE they have more control over the network and would actually be able to tell if it was your phone or if it was a PC attached to the network through tethering.
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they can tell, but apparently its a PIA to do it. I would expect for unlimited users to start getting throttled if they use a huge amount of data (which is already in your contract).
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They will never be able to tell those things unless inspecting your packets.....which is an obvious violation of privacy
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umm, they are providing the data. Good luck winning a lawsuit saying they didn't have the right to verify you weren't breaking the TOS.
As far as the OP, I really think they got confused. AT&T can tell if you are tethering your iphone using the mifi cydia program. Apparently the program tells at&t that its tethering. But isn't that the dev that apple hired anyways so he probably added that on purpose?
There's no way to tell what "kind" of data is being used other than what the phone reports. On my Dinc, it was the ol' "dun" fix. I don't use it enough anymore to justify the extra expense, considering how many free WiFi locations are available. Also, I rarely even use my laptop anymore, I do 99% of my browsing from my phone.
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To them it doesn't matter. If you're downloading 80GB+ per month, which some are, you're abusing the network.
They'll more than likely develop a throttling system for extreme users. It's not fair for them to suck up all of my bandwidth if they're too cheap to pay for regular internet or the hotspot feature.
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They already throttle too users. No one is Sucking up your bandwidth either. I was sold an unlimited data plan and they gladly took my money.
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They already throttle too users. No one is Sucking up your bandwidth either. I was sold an unlimited data plan and they gladly took my money.
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You were sold an unlimited data plan for phone data, with the condition that the top 5% of bandwidth users could be throttled. Read your contract.
This isn't news.... We've known about this for months....
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Funny that the article discusses a "jailbroken" Droid X and pictures and iphone.
Nevertheless, this is why I decided to pay for unlimited tethering, no more looking over my shoulder. With my wife's discount on service it was a great deal.
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Me too, same as you. Except for the wifey thing.
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They already throttle too users. No one is Sucking up your bandwidth either. I was sold an unlimited data plan and they gladly took my money.
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It's semantics. From a technical point of view there's no such thing as unlimited data. Multiply the download speed times the number of hours in a month and that's the theoretical limit. Of course, no one can go the full download speed all the time. It's just not possible.
What you get promised is that they won't cut you off at a specific number of bytes. However, unlike cable companies, I haven't seen any phone carrier advertise or even mention the download speed. They can't. Unlike your cable modem, your phone moves around.
So, not having promised any kind of speed performance it's easy for them to just slow you down if you eat too many bytes.
And, as an "average" user I'm THRILLED that they throttle the heavy users. I don't want to be on a network that averages 500kbps because there are hundreds of people in my cell eating up the bandwidth all the time.
AT&T Considers Service That Would Allow App Developers to Pay for Mobile Data Use - http://pulse.me/s/6oB9C
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That's good for the consumers, but really bad for the devs. I don't want to be paying some user's data bill.
It's just an entry tactic to at$t making up data plans like "2gb data plus unlimited Facebook access" and charging more because it has "unlimited" access to Facebook or maybe even at$t content sites.
The future; you've been warned.
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That's bullcrap, I dont' think they'll get away with it
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That's bullcrap, I dont' think they'll get away with it
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They will get away with it because it will only be a option if the Dev wants to add that feature. Think of it as a 1-800 number. You don't pay to call them, they accept the charges. Why a dev would accept the charges I don't know since I doubt it will generate more use of there app
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This is probably the worst alternative to actually upgrading their network.
Man, once tmobile gets LTE, they will lose a lot of people.
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This is probably the worst alternative to actually upgrading their network.
Man, once tmobile gets LTE, they will lose a lot of people.
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Doubt it. Outside of their cheap plans, nothing about t-mobile
appeals to me. Only other network I would consider switching to
is verizon's.
The good the bad the ugly
Note: I'm only guessing at most of this based off my interaction with AT&T's employees and representatives. I will edit my post if/when I am able to ask the reps more about it and have a more in depth knowledge of what this means.
Good: Limited data plans will still allow access to certain apps (Netflix, Facebook,ect...) once your data cap is up.
Bad: Developers and those that opt in to this might hike up the cost of service or even create a whole different type of billing package just for phones (Netflix for example, watch unlimited movies on your computer or tv for $7.99 a month and if you want unlimited streaming to your smartphone or 3G tablet its an extra $3.99 or something)
Ugly: The initial use of the data will still factor into your capped gigs so that "unlimited streaming type plan" is only covered after you reach your cap. This means that once you hit those 2/3gig caps then you can only access the apps that the developer pays for your extra data. EX: You get a text from att "You have reached your limit for data this month if you use any more then you will be charged $10 per gig" I use Netflix no charge. I use Facebook (assuming they will be on board with this) I click an ad in the facebook app BOOM $10 on my bill.
Again this is all speculation and I am only guessing and will add/edit the post if/when I find out more about this. I'm sure that once the details are figured out this will actually be a good thing at least for a short while for AT&T users and we might actually see other carriers with Tiered data plans following suit.
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Doubt it. Outside of their cheap plans, nothing about t-mobile
appeals to me. Only other network I would consider switching to
is verizon's.
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Honestly I do have to say when I was with T-Mobile even though I was running mostly edge for internet and very frustrated with that, they usually had some of the most bad ass line up's of phones. With the whole AT&T-Mobile deal some of the greater phones went to other carriers but I think that with them launching LTE and everything they might make a comeback with some of the greatest phones on the market. I know our skyrocket has pretty much the same specs as their SGSII and that was one thing I was almost bitter about because I wanted the best phone I could possibly have and they had it before AT&T and Verizon is so restrictive that even the Galaxy Nexus was delayed for release (one thing that I might add has never happened to either of the two Nexi launched on T-Mobile) because they had to work out the whole Google wallet and a few other things to get the thing up and running on their network.
Did anyone else see the FCC ruling last July? A quick google search will bring up several articles about how verizon is not allowed to charge for tethering.
This does not seem to apply to their current plans. Even they are allowed to say that you need to be at a certain level plan, the 4GB tether plan is the same price as the 5GB plan (ie tethering cost $10)
If you're still on one of the old tiered plans, you can tether at no extra cost. Family Share plans are excluded, most likely something in the fine print that you "accept" when you get your contract.
I am still on the old tiered plan.
The way the settlement was worded, they cant use fine print to get around it. The reason for the suit is that LTE is on the new Block C, which has open source type requirements
Got a good answer from Verizon
Dear Matthew,
Good morning! My name is Kay and I am here to help you regarding the tethering service.
The FCC ruling did not say that Verizon Wireless cannot charge for tethering service. The ruling prohibited Verizon Wireless from blocking you from using a third party application to tether or share your data connection. You can download a third party application from the Play Store and tether at no charge. You can also use our tethering service at the applicable fee.
I trust that this resolves your issue. Thank you for being a valued Verizon Wireless customer and have a great day!
Sincerely,
Kay
Verizon Wireless
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Got a good answer from Verizon
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So you can do it for free or pay Verizon? Hmmm I wonder how many pay Verizon?
From what I've read, you can use any app to share the connection but they can still charge you. The ruling prohibited them from blocking third party apps from sharing.
See...Verizon doesn't exactly fall into the C block verbage. It is a colossal mess. This was brought up like crazy when it happened. They were excluded I just forget why.
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My understanding is that if you are paying for an amount of data, like 5gb, then they cannot charge you. It's your data and how you use it is your business.
However unlimited data was still able to be charged for tethering because it allows you to use more of their bandwidth that you wouldn't have otherwise used.
But I am no expert so feel free to correct me.
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So you can do it for free or pay Verizon? Hmmm I wonder how many pay Verizon?
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All of the peons who don't know any better. Plus its not like Verizon is advertising this simple workaround lol
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grandfathered unlimited, tethered for years. never paid for it.
Wait so you guys are saying that the data used during tethering can't be charged or the ACT of tethering can't be charged?
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Wait so you guys are saying that the data used during tethering can't be charged or the ACT of tethering can't be charged?
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Yes, why is this thread even here. There are countless ways to tether for free. No-one has ever been charged for doing so.
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Via my Google Galaxy S3 running magic beans
I was at a VZW center yesterday, and one of the reps (to who his credit, didn't sound like a complete idiot like a lot of the employees there.)
Anyway, he told me that if you have the $30 unlimited tethering promo that was optional for a short time when the Tbolt came out...once you update to ICS you will lose it.
I don't know if what the rep said was true or not, but just felt I should give anyone who might be in this situation a heads up.
Sorry, if this has already been mentioned, by the way...I just wanted to get it out there quickly.
That salesman's knowledge seems questionable
Fail on reading comprehension on my part...I read that as unlimited data not unlimited tethering. I thought they lost a court case recently where they couldn't charge for tethering anymore? (Found a link, can't post it, yay new user, but if you google "verizon court case tethering" you should find several articles about it) At any rate I imagine as long as you keep root they can't really stop you from tethering.
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Fail on reading comprehension on my part...I read that as unlimited data not unlimited tethering. I thought they lost a court case recently where they couldn't charge for tethering anymore? (Found a link, can't post it, yay new user, but if you google "verizon court case tethering" you should find several articles about it) At any rate I imagine as long as you keep root they can't really stop you from tethering.
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Yeah with root, I don't think they can do anything about you tethering. I personally have used my rooted tethering for some really data-intensive power sessions--like 10-15GB a week while I was away (VZW was much faster than the local wifi at my hotel where I was doing after-hours work). Never heard a peep from Verizon about it.
They're allowed to provide their own paid tethering service, they just aren't allowed to force you to use that or use nothing. In other words, they can't tell you not to use a free app for the same thing.
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They're allowed to provide their own paid tethering service, they just aren't allowed to force you to use that or use nothing. In other words, they can't tell you not to use a free app for the same thing.
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I believe the actual compromise was that if you were on a tiered data plan, they weren't allowed to prevent you from tethering, and they can't prevent you from installing the app regardless, but they could prevent you from tethering if you are using one of the grandfathered "unlimited" plans?
They can't prevent you from using it nor can they even prove that you are using it. If they could I would have been charged thousands of dollars already since I've been using WiFi tether for about 4 years now.
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I know awhile back I mentioned to a verizon rep that they couldn't prove if I was tethering and he went on a long defensive rant about how they monitor your usage and if it spikes they know you are tethering. It took a lot of self-restraint to keep from laughing in his face. I guess they figure most people won't do outside research and just listen to whatever they're spoon fed by verizon.
I have unlimited data so that is a crock of ****. They can tell if I use a lot of data and that is about it. They can't tell if it resulted from tethering. 95% of my data usage comes from using my phone to download roms.
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I have unlimited data so that is a crock of ****. They can tell if I use a lot of data and that is about it. They can't tell if it resulted from tethering. 95% of my data usage comes from using my phone to download roms.
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Yeah, they just try to use scare tactics on people who don't know any better. Since tethering goes through the phone, it shows the same on their network regardless of whether its the phone or 10 other devices connected to the phone doing the downloading.
If you use their hot spot and it isn't the hacked version I think they can tell. I'm not sure though and wouldn't take that risk.
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They can't prevent you from using it nor can they even prove that you are using it. If they could I would have been charged thousands of dollars already since I've been using WiFi tether for about 4 years now.
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The big fun will come when you get the letter saying, "We understand you've used thousands of dollars worth of tethering but we see you've failed to declare this as taxable income.
We figure you owe $xxx,xxx.xx plus interest and penalties.
Love ya, the IRS!
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The big fun will come when you get the letter saying, "We understand you've used thousands of dollars worth of tethering but we see you've failed to declare this as taxable income.
We figure you owe $xxx,xxx.xx plus interest and penalties.
Love ya, the IRS!
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Lol last time I checked the verizon corporation wasn't apart of the irs. Just saying....
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But you can bet the IRS keeps track of VZW AND VZW customers :crying:
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But you can bet the IRS keeps track of VZW AND VZW customers :crying:
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Nah maybe verizon but not me.
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Im a little confused, since im pretty new to the t-bolt since i bought it on ebay a few months ago. If i use a free tether app, will VZW NOT charge me for data? on my old moto x2 using a root tether app meant you still got charged for data, but not for the tethering service. Is this different on the TB?
ryan1407 said:
Im a little confused, since im pretty new to the t-bolt since i bought it on ebay a few months ago. If i use a free tether app, will VZW NOT charge me for data? on my old moto x2 using a root tether app meant you still got charged for data, but not for the tethering service. Is this different on the TB?
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If you're on a limited data plan, tethering uses your data. If you're on an unlimited plan you're supposed to pay a monthly fee to use tethering, however, there are apps that you can use to get around this.
Classic Verizon reps, think they're smarter than you... No I'm only here because I need a SIM card and corporate says you can't just give me a SIM card, you have to do it yourself.... Of course that's changed now, but boy that was a *****. I hate giving them my brand new phones, too, I've heard stories where they screw up the battery cover and such.
Woo rant!
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I guess they figure most people won't do outside research and just listen to whatever they're spoon fed by verizon.
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When paid by Verizon I assume one becomes a mouthpiece for Verizon, and it makes some logical sense for them to preach Verizon's sermons to all who aren't tech savvy.
That said, I did a doubletake on the OP, as I have the unlimited data and I sometimes tether while on the road (yay root). Tbh, I (ab)use an app called DropSync to do some crazy stuff with DropBox, and when I'm not on WiFi for a time it's common for me to rack up 10GB+ from just that. I really haven't got as much usage from my tethering. So if anyone from Verizon ever got after me for tethering, I'd just disable my WiFi and let them watch me push a ton thru my LTE, just to be spiteful. :victory:
Screw them tether away!!!!
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why not??
why not??i just flash santod stock ics last month..no problema at all...
So, today I woke up to a lovely text from T-Mobile warning that I have concealed tether usage data. The transcript of the text follows:
T-Mobile said:
The plan for line XXXXXXXXXX on your account includes unlimited 4G LTE data on-smartphone only. It also comes with up to 7GB of 4G LTE data for Smartphone Mobile HotSpot to share your phone's internet with other devices. T-Mobile's systems have detected that this line has actively used methods that conceal Smartphone Mobile Hotspot usage and, as a result, significantly exceeded the 7GB limit on its plan. This activity violates our Terms and Conditions. To enforce our Terms and Conditions and protect the network experience for all our customers, continued violation will result in the line being ineligible for its current plan and moving to our 1GB limited 4G LTE plan. Details at http://t-mo.co/1J4PTjw
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Regarding my tethering usage, I've only used a good 2GB extra than the mobile Hotspot allows. So, their idea of significantly exceeded seems pretty strict. So, even if you don't think you fall into the "percentile" of that one person using 2TB, to T-Mobile, you do. I'd still like to see them try to move me down to a lower plan though. I'll just leave and go to something like sprint.
So, I recommend being extremely careful. I have no idea how they detected it, but they are.
So what method did you use to tether?
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So what method did you use to tether?
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Both. For the first 3gb I used the method I posted. For the rest I switched to your method because I wanted wifi calling and volte.
I guess Legere meant what he said.
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Eratrion said:
Both. For the first 3gb I used the method I posted. For the rest I switched to your method because I wanted wifi calling and volte.
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What is both methods used?
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What is both methods used?
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As in both methods that are currently posted under T-Mobile Note 5 Android development. The one posted by me, then the one posted by charlie.
I guess I'll wait and see what happens to me.
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Personally I don't care, I think it's stealing anyways.
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Unlimited is unlimited.. Period. Don't name it unlimited if it's a cap.
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Unlimited is unlimited.. Period. Don't name it unlimited if it's a cap.
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How do you not understand that you signed an agreement that states it's unlimited for that device. Routing additional devices/traffic through your authorized device isn't covered. They've gifted you 7gb of usage for additional devices. You are unlimited, on your authorized device.
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arcanexvi said:
How do you not understand that you signed an agreement that states it's unlimited for that device. Routing additional devices/traffic through your authorized device isn't covered. They've gifted you 7gb of usage for additional devices. You are unlimited, on your authorized device.
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It's not a gift. I'm paying for it.
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Unlimited data is the same as, "freedom of speech but watch what you say".
speedy1979 said:
Unlimited data is the same as, "freedom of speech but watch what you say".
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So true. Legere is stupid....just wait till the FCC goes after his ass
I wouldn't say it's "stealing" but I could agree to abuse. Yes you are paying for unlimited data for mobile use but not tethering. It's in their terms and conditions. I think it's similar to all you can eat buffet. You are paying for unlimited food for yourself not your family, not for take home. Let's say a restaurant says you can share your meal with one other person but limited to 2 servings, and your other person decided to get 20 servings.
You dont agree with it, dont do it, simple as that.
I've used a VPN on my laptop while tethering. So far so good.
Eratrion said:
So, today I woke up to a lovely text from T-Mobile warning that I have concealed tether usage data. The transcript of the text follows:
Regarding my tethering usage, I've only used a good 2GB extra than the mobile Hotspot allows. So, their idea of significantly exceeded seems pretty strict. So, even if you don't think you fall into the "percentile" of that one person using 2TB, to T-Mobile, you do. I'd still like to see them try to move me down to a lower plan though. I'll just leave and go to something like sprint.
So, I recommend being extremely careful. I have no idea how they detected it, but they are.
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So I'm curious on what method did they use to detect your case.
Does you/anyone know if the 7GB limit on tethering data is a hard limit, as in it cuts off after that? Or does it degrade to limited speed as the other data plans cap?
Could it be related to you using any services on your desktop easily identifiable as such ? (e.g. browser agent headers, but could be others)?
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So I'm curious on what method did they use to detect your case.
Does you/anyone know if the 7GB limit on tethering data is a hard limit, as in it cuts off after that? Or does it degrade to limited speed as the other data plans cap?
Could it be related to you using any services on your desktop easily identifiable as such ? (e.g. browser agent headers, but could be others)?
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As far as I know, they don't stop it. One of the lines on my plan is unrooted & has been using the stock tethering built into her Galaxy S5 & they have never stopped her. But I got the text also about her tethering too much. Seems like they should shut it off after you reach the 7GB limit. She got to 10GB without warning or stoppage or even slowing her down.
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As far as I know, they don't stop it. One of the lines on my plan is unrooted & has been using the stock tethering built into her Galaxy S5 & they have never stopped her. But I got the text also about her tethering too much. Seems like they should shut it off after you reach the 7GB limit. She got to 10GB without warning or stoppage or even slowing her down.
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It use to stop but they have recently start to slow it down. I understand why T-mobile is doing it. I mean how can you continue to offer unlimited while people are abusing it for more than what you want to allow. Can't say I didn't see it coming. At the end of the day their a business and their in the business of making money.
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buzzy3970 said:
It use to stop but they have recently start to slow it down. I understand why T-mobile is doing it. I mean how can you continue to offer unlimited while people are abusing it for more than what you want to allow. Can't say I didn't see it coming. At the end of the day their a business and their in the business of making money.
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I understand this & I do agree also. I just think it's weird that they didn't slow her down. I have 3 lines, 2 rooted. Hers is the one not rooted, using stock tethering methods. Just seems strange to me that they deemed her usage to be deceiving when she is one of the least technical people I know. She wouldn't know the first thing to rooting & hiding tethering usage