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[Q] 64GB micro SD?

Has anyone tried a 64GB microSD card in the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus?
I have a class 10 32GB one in there at the moment, but at £37 for a 64GB I'd love to expand it further, but I don't want to pay out for one if it doesn't work!
Does anyone know if 32GB is the most it will take, or can I get a 64GB one?

I would believe the 7.0 maxes out at 32GB. 64GB is SDXC, which isn't listed on any spec sheets, only SD and SDHC.

It works fine with 64 gb, mine does.
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altho it said max is 32... The 64gb work fine...

more importantly, where from at £37.00 ?

Sorry, Google Shopping showed £37 as a price for a 64GB MicroSD, but when I got round to actually looking properly, it was an incorrectly labelled standard SD card.
Amazon are however selling them for £60 now, which means the price is coming down slowly!

I have a 64gb in mine and it works just fine.

amazon were nocking them out at £42 last week - I only bought one because I didn't believe it was genuine, even though they were supplied by amazon I was still suspicious. I wish I had taken a chance and ordered 2 or 3, because sure enough they are genuine sandisk cards and work well in all my devices - that's my tab, my xperia arc s and my Archos 70 IT2, I wish I'd bought one for each

Be careful of Class 10 or UHS 1 cards!
paulus3476 said:
amazon were nocking them out at £42 last week - I only bought one because I didn't believe it was genuine, even though they were supplied by amazon I was still suspicious. I wish I had taken a chance and ordered 2 or 3, because sure enough they are genuine sandisk cards and work well in all my devices - that's my tab, my xperia arc s and my Archos 70 IT2, I wish I'd bought one for each
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Just wanted to post a follow-up in this thread. At the time of these messages, the Class 6 cards were out, and it appears that they do work.
However, it's now September, and Class 10 cards are out, and they DO NOT work. The GT 7.7 people discovered (and I just "accidentally" confirmed on my stock ICS P6210) that Class 10 64GB cards get irreparably damaged when used on our Tabs. I have Class 10 cards in my S3 and Galaxy Note, and they're fine, but my P6210 just ate one on the first large file write - as has been seen on the 7.7 tabs as well!.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1460201&page=7 and other posts for reference.
I've just ordered a Class 6 64GB card from Amazon, and expect no problems with it - but be warned that many people are having problems with the Class 10 cards, on the 7.7 and (now) the 7.0+ tabs.
FWIW, YMMV...

U just got to format the card to a suitable format, mine runs just fine on fat32.
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Hey guys, just out of curiosity.
I have a couple of questions about the supported memory card for this device.
What is the maximum capacity supported by this drvice?
What is the fastest speed supported? (which class)
Thanks.
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camel90 said:
Hey guys, just out of curiosity.
I have a couple of questions about the supported memory card for this device.
What is the maximum capacity supported by this drvice?
What is the fastest speed supported? (which class)
Thanks.
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Mmm, read this thread and the one linked to in post #9.

Sun_Cat said:
Mmm, read this thread and the one linked to in post #9.
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Alright. Looks like the safe bet is Class 6, 32GB.
Thanks.
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Thanks for asking this question, I wasn't sure myself and was going to ask, until I saw this thread, but I am glad that this tablet can use a card of this capacity because my wife is using a 32gb class 10 that is just about full of music, movies and ebooks. So, I just surprise her with a bigger sd card after all.

misternest said:
Thanks for asking this question, I wasn't sure myself and was going to ask, until I saw this thread, but I am glad that this tablet can use a card of this capacity because my wife is using a 32gb class 10 that is just about full of music, movies and ebooks. So, I just surprise her with a bigger sd card after all.
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Im glad someone can use 32GB class 10 bcoz im going to buy it..huhu...
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misternest said:
Thanks for asking this question, I wasn't sure myself and was going to ask, until I saw this thread, but I am glad that this tablet can use a card of this capacity because my wife is using a 32gb class 10 that is just about full of music, movies and ebooks. So, I just surprise her with a bigger sd card after all.
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May I know which brand are you using?
Thx

MichaelDjie said:
May I know which brand are you using?
Thx
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Hi, I apologize for the mistake in my previous post, she is currently using a regular SanDisk class 4 card, she had previously used the Mobile Ultra series class 10 though before she decided to use it in her T989 instead since she was having boot loop issues with the regular class 4.
I bought it from Best Buy in August when it was on sale for $40.
She had 1 issue with the card though, when she was in the process of moving the files and folders off of her pc, where she had copied the contents of the class 4 sd card she previously used in her SGS2, to her new class 10, SD card.
All was fine, until she had copied her NANDROID back up folder which was about 3 or 4 gb in size, everything else had copied over just fine.
When she copied her NANDROID back up folder to the Mobile Ultra card from her W7 laptop, where she had previously copied the class 4 card, and after one file couldn't be copied, the card became corrupted, and she couldn't read the card in her computer, phone or tablet, and formatting it didn't work at all. I even tried in my own device, and although I was able to read it, when she couldn't, it wouldn't format in my phone or tablet either.
In Windows, it said something about the file name being too long, and it would not let either of us rename or delete the file because it said that it was write protected, (it wasn't) and then sometime after that, the file name had some gibberish and was 6gb in size and we could not format it at all.
This happened with both sd cards, and so, I took them back to Best Buy and got another Mobile Ultra card that she now uses in her phone, and since then she hasn't had any issues. I also bought a USB card reader, and used the new card with it just in case the issue was with the sd card adapter it came with.
That said though, the Mobile Ultra cards, worked just fine in her T869, it was just one file that was inside the NANDROID back up folder that corrupted both cards.

I recently ordered a Team 64GB MicroSDXC card from New eggs for my Galaxy Tab Plus. Like the SanDisk 64GB Micro SDXC card, the Team card is also UHS-1. I installed it in my Tab Plus, where it initially recognized it.
As I started transferring some music files, the SD card stopped responding and the dreaded "damaged SD card message" popped up. I pulled out the SD card and tried to see if I could re-format it. However, in horror, none of my Windows 7 PCs could recognize it in my SDXC card reader; even Disk Management wasn't seeing anything! At that point, I concluded that my card was toast and was ready to return it. However, I decided to try to see if I could get it to work again before returning it, considering it was brand new.
I read through the thread on 64GB cards over at the Galaxy Tab 7.7 forums (as we share the same hardware and 64GB card issues) and found that some had found success with re-creating the partition table in Linux. I used Gparted, which saw the Team 64GB card, but had some initial difficulties, as the card would not stay mounted/visible for too long. After several inserts, I finally was able to wipe the corrupted partition on the card and used Gparted's option to re-create the partition table. After doing this, the dismounting issue disappeared, but Gparted still had trouble creating a full FAT32 partition on the card. I then tried zeroing it out with dd (same command that bex0rs used for his SanDisk 64GB card in the 7.7 thread). After a lengthy process, Gparted was finally able to create a full 64GB FAT32 partition without issue.
The Team 64GB SDXC card was then able to be seen by my Windows 7 PCs and I was able to transfer over 30 GB of content to the card without issue. Even my retired DROID Incredible and Nook Color were able to read and write to it fine. However, I have not tried it in my Galaxy Tab Plus, in fears that it would kill it, so I'm keeping it in my DROID Incredible for the mean time.
In short, if you want to try to salvage your dead 64GB MicroSDXC cards, you can try this. But it definitely seems that UHS-1 cards are the culprit with the Galaxy Tab Plus/7.7 tablets and should NOT be used in those tablets.
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prinzhernan said:
It works fine with 64 gb, mine does.
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hi i have tried 64 gb class 10 ones since there was no class 6 available at the time, and the card always got damaged after the approximately 30gb of data was copied to card. But now I can see class 6 ones on online shop but really want to make sure whether it works or not since this is also uhs-1 card. If any one of you have tried class 6 SanDisk with more than 30 gb of data then please tell me about your experience.

Does P6200 support exFAT format of 32G micro SD and be used by bitcomet to write a 10G video file?

[Q] SDCard 64Gb Support?

I'm out of space. interested to change my 32GB Sdcard into 64GB. Have anyone try external Sdcard 64GB yet? Will it work?

cyclonmaster said:
I'm out of space. interested to change my 32GB Sdcard into 64GB. Have anyone try external Sdcard 64GB yet? Will it work?
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it works i saw a forum member mention he was using one

I thought so too. No reason that there is a limitation that limit it to use 64GB. Ok, I'm going to purchase SDcard 64Gb and test it out. Hopefully it work.

Yes it works fine, I'm using a SanDisk Class 10 64GB Micro SDXC card and have 0 problems. Not sure why phones/tablets always have "upgradable to 32GB" as their system specs when a 64GB card works fiine

I'm glad to hear that. Waiting for my salary this friday. Going to add more space to my phone. A lot of games inside

Been using Sandisk 64gb non uhs 1 for a year now,i have a 2nd uhs 1 in its package still unopened from last years amazon sale got it for $39
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340063

It works. Just reformat the 64GB microSDXC into FAT32 as well, on the computer (as a physical drive) - the kernel and the firmware doesn't support exFAT. Sure, FAT32 is a pain in the a** but is the only quick way in.
P.S. BTW, if any Android devices can actually read and write to microSDHC, they have extremely good chance of unofficially supporting SDXC - the electrical pinouts are the same, even SDIO commands are the same between those two SD cards, the only difference is file system that's already preformatted. (4 - 2,048 MB SD - FAT16 / 4 - 32 GB SDHC - FAT32 / 64 - 2,048 GB SDXC - exFAT)
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Micro SD card answer please.

Ive got a verizon 4g model in the mail. This isnt my first dance with android so needing to root or do work arounds is no issue but Im looking for a definite answer on what will work in my new toy for a 64gb sd card. Most posts im reading are contradictory and lots are from last year when class 10 first launched.
So the question is to run a 64gb card do I need to source a class 6 or will a class 10 work?
Thanks!

Issues that I had was with sandisk microsd uhs class10. 32gb. Most of the problems posted was with sandisk class 10 uhs.
I'm currently using a class 10 kingmax 32gb. No issues. Until now I'm avoiding sandisk. not sure if this issues is solved.planning to get class 10 64gb kingston. Better if can get class 6. If you've read the trheads, its a compromise between throughtput read/write and max read/write.

my device is p6800 and i use sandisk uhs 64gb, formatted it with fat32 on my pc, insert it and the p6800 detect it, and it works.
(till now, i only use around 10gb, though....)

stomis said:
Ive got a verizon 4g model in the mail. This isnt my first dance with android so needing to root or do work arounds is no issue but Im looking for a definite answer on what will work in my new toy for a 64gb sd card. Most posts im reading are contradictory and lots are from last year when class 10 first launched.
So the question is to run a 64gb card do I need to source a class 6 or will a class 10 work?
Thanks!
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I use 64gb cards formatted fat32 and both class 6 or will a class 10 work. As you indicated there is a lot of words regarding the initial release of class 10 Sandisk cards. But Sandisk replaced a few of the bad cards I got and the last ones took a Fat32 format. Good luck and i hope you have no problems. The Sandisk web site will help you with a link to get a tool to format the disk. i have posted the link before.. :good:

Cool good to know

last problem with sandisk were the initial released of class 10... i havent face any problem yet with the current production.

edan1979 said:
last problem with sandisk were the initial released of class 10... i havent face any problem yet with the current production.
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This is why I reasked this question. Thanks for feedback guys. Bought a 64gb sandisk from Walmart last night.

Well tablet came. Love the thing. Card doesnt work. Im still plugging away at it.I initially tried formatting to FAT32. Didnt read the card at all. Then I tried pushing it to NTSF and letting the tablet format it. This bugs the tablet out on reset and causes all sorts of programs to crash until the card is unplugged...
Idk whats going on Im trying gparted now to 0 out the card and reformat.

Fixed by formatting with gparted. Nothing windows could get the card right.

stomis said:
Fixed by formatting with gparted. Nothing windows could get the card right.
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Glad that you got it sorted and thanks for sharing the procedure that you used.
Could I trouble you for the exact manufacturers model details of the card you bought? For example SanDisk specifies the compatible card for the 7.7 as being "SanDisk Ultra microSDXC UHS-I card 64GB SDSDQUA-064G-A11A"
I am not able to locate such a card here in the UK and wonder if yours has a different model reference. A common SanDisk 64gb microsd card is the SDSDQU-064GU46A but I am not sure if this will work in our Tab.

rebski said:
Glad that you got it sorted and thanks for sharing the procedure that you used.
Could I trouble you for the exact manufacturers model details of the card you bought? For example SanDisk specifies the compatible card for the 7.7 as being "SanDisk Ultra microSDXC UHS-I card 64GB SDSDQUA-064G-A11A"
I am not able to locate such a card here in the UK and wonder if yours has a different model reference. A common SanDisk 64gb microsd card is the SDSDQU-064GU46A but I am not sure if this will work in our Tab.
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Hi I got my memory card from here http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDXC/SanDisk/SanDisk-64GB-Mobile-Ultra-Micro-SD-%28SDXC%29-Card---Class-10-UHS-1-%2B-SD-Adapter
with a code of VC5 I got 5% off too, had to download EaseUS Partition Master and format it to fat32 but is then recognised in my tab. If I then format it in my tab it converts to exfat and doesnt seem to read in the tab any more
I am just testing the card with h2testw and will be putting data on it
Just to add the SDSDQUA says optimised for android and has SanDisk Memory Zone app for easy file backup on your Android powered device the SDSDQU does not. I would expect the SDSDQUA to work out of the box

Arobase40 said:
What you should do is reformatting it as exFat with your Windows system. Then write any kind of files on it (no valuable one).
Insert it in your GT 7.7, then system will tell there is something wrong (can't remember the exact message) and it will ask you if you want to format it : Say YES !
When done, it should be fine... Hopefully...
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I did that very first thing. Didn't work though. Sorry I don't have any info on the, model number I ditched the package.

External SD card

hi! i want to buy a new sd-card for my s3 mini. i had a 32 GB Sandisk ultra class 10.
what kind of card do you use?
what is the maximum read/write speed for our phone? (this will help me choose between a 64 GB sdxc card or a higher speed 16 GB)
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ozi5783 said:
hi! i want to buy a new sd-card for my s3 mini. i had a 32 GB Sandisk ultra class 10.
what kind of card do you use?
what is the maximum read/write speed for our phone? (this will help me choose between a 64 GB sdxc card or a higher speed 16 GB)
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If you're using maclaw's roms you can use a 64GB card.

I have a sandisk 16GB, no problem, good speed, works fine !

I have a Transcend 32GB, class 10, kind of like the one you had ozi5783. Bought it a few months ago, but if I knew then that I was going to use CyanogenMod, I would've waited a little bit longer, and bought a 64GB one. Not that I need that much space, but it would just be awesome to have... On the other hand, I guess that then I could store ALL of my favourite things (media) on it, and that's always handy.
Now, as far as I know, the stock phone supports "only" up to 32GB microSD, but like mauam said, with maclaw's roms you can use a 64GB card. Don't know if anyone tried it, though...
Btw, my card works nice and fast, no issues whatsoever... Very pleased.

Dzombache said:
I have a Transcend 32GB, class 10, kind of like the one you had ozi5783. Bought it a few months ago, but if I knew then that I was going to use CyanogenMod, I would've waited a little bit longer, and bought a 64GB one. Not that I need that much space, but it would just be awesome to have... On the other hand, I guess that then I could store ALL of my favourite things (media) on it, and that's always handy.
Now, as far as I know, the stock phone supports "only" up to 32GB microSD, but like mauam said, with maclaw's roms you can use a 64GB card. Don't know if anyone tried it, though...
Btw, my card works nice and fast, no issues whatsoever... Very pleased.
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Just to clear any possible doubt, I use a 64gb card

Well, I finnaly did a test with A1 SD benchmark, and this is the result. I use CM11 by maclaw.
Our phone doesn't support UHS speed, so I'll just buy a 64gb when I'll have the money.
I will try SD booster to see if I get different results and post some screenshots after.
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Benchmarks are made with accurate with reboot option.
This one is made with 2048kb cache
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I use a Samsung Pro 64gb uhs1.
Writing speed is about 10mbps and reading is 20mbps.
It works well on Maclaw's roms, but is not reconized on Stock rom.

I have a common 8 Gb, works fine with the Cyanogen 4.4.2. I don't think is worth buying a expensive one.

I have a Transcend 32gb and it works well specially on maclaws rom.

I'm using a Kingston 64 GB SD-XHC class 10 on Stock Rom, and even without root, I'm able to read it flawlessly :good:

I'm using a 32Gb Kingston external card and it's awesome!

I have a Kingston 8gb but I'm planning to buy a 32gb.
Does the size play role to the speed? I read that if you have an external SD card with big capacity, let's say 32gb, the speed would be slower if you compare it with an external SD card of 8gb. Is that true?

I lost my transcend 32gb class10 and I'm back to old 4gb class4 I lost many games
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I have a Kingston 8gb but I'm planning to buy a 32gb.
Does the size play role to the speed? I read that if you have an external SD card with big capacity, let's say 32gb, the speed would be slower if you compare it with an external SD card of 8gb. Is that true?
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It depends on class of it not size of it like 4,6,10 obviously 10 is faster and we can use 6and 10 for expanding ram

ozi5783 said:
Benchmarks are made with accurate with reboot option.
This one is made with 2048kb cache
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I Have a Kinkston 16Gb HC Class 6 and in have 2048Kb for cache. It Works perfectly on Mclaws ROMs 10.1 & 10.2 and CM11

32GB Class 10's tend to work best for me.

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I'm using a Kingston 64 GB SD-XHC class 10 on Stock Rom, and even without root, I'm able to read it flawlessly :good:
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64gb on stock rom? wow... first time i'm hearing this.
I have a noname 16gb right now, which works great but i am thinking about upgrading

SD cards

Recommendations would be most appreciated.

I got a SanDisk 128 GB and it has been working great so far.

The Samsung pro plus or sandisk extreme pro lines are what you are looking for. Enjoy
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I would recommend you Samsung MicroSDXC 64GB PRO Memory Card. Also other Samsung cards are great.
Very good read/write speeds.

I put a Lexar 128 GB 1000x in my MXP and it is functioning great.

I'm considering purchase of this phone - sounds like support for a micro SDcard works well, so is there any benefit to buying the 64 or 32GB internal storage models vs. the 16GB model? I can capture video and do TWRP backups to the (relatively inexpensive) SDcard, so what am I missing on a cheaper 16GB phone?
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The Samsung pro plus or sandisk extreme pro lines are what you are looking for. Enjoy
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Is the Moto X a UHS-I or UHS-II compatible host device? The extra cost of these higher-end sdcards would be wasted otherwise, correct?
Edit - I googled this topic and found this post: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/8cda627ead . In short, it confirms that the Moto X benefits from / takes advantage of a UHS-1 U3 microSD card. @EmperorX makes a good suggestion.
I still want to know if I really want to spend extra for a 32 or 64GB Moto X, given that I can buy a 32GB UHS-1 U3 card for US $15.

Both cards are UHS-I class U3
It does support uhs-1 from what I've read. We'll see, my wife's card gets here on Wed and I'll test out. Sandisk extreme pro.
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I see you've read what I read.
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UHS-1 U3 microsd card support even better in Android M
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Both cards are UHS-I class U3. It does support uhs-1 from what I've read. We'll see, my wife's card gets here on Wed and I'll test out. Sandisk extreme pro.
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If there's a good Android M ROM available yet, see about formatting it as phone-specific "internal" storage... See: https://www.androidpit.com/android-m-release-date-news-features-name#performance

bmeek said:
If there's a good Android M ROM available yet, see about formatting it as phone-specific "internal" storage... See: https://www.androidpit.com/android-m-release-date-news-features-name#performance
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That's the entire reason I went for one of these cards
Stoked on it!
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Problem
and what the maximum amount of the SD card can be used as system memory? I have a card to 64GB, and when you try to make it a system unit for a long time it formats, but it is empty and then says that the card is damaged, but if you use it like a regular card, it works fine and displays. Do not tell me what could be the problem?
device xt1575 android 6.0

how do the best microSD card options compare to internal storage (performance-wise)?
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That's the entire reason I went for one of these cards
Stoked on it!
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Can you report on the relative performance of your higher-end microSD card vs. the internal storage? For example:
compare the time it takes to do a TWRP backup of the whole phone to internal vs. the microSD card
Capture full QHD video directly to the microSD card
etc.
Thanks!

bmeek said:
Can you report relative on the performance of your higher-end SD card vs. the internal storage? For example:
compare the time it takes to do a TWRP backup of the whole phone to internal vs. the microSD card
Capture full QHD video directly to the microSD card
Thanks!
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Unfortunately there was an error in shipping.... So we had to reorder and now are waiting until next week or as late as the 15th for it to arrive... Never had an issue like this with Amazon prime before.. Lmao.
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EmperorX said:
Unfortunately there was an error in shipping.... So we had to reorder and now are waiting until next week or as late as the 15th for it to arrive... Never had an issue like this with Amazon prime before.. Lmao.
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Amazon has been really dropping the ball lately. I haven't had a package come on time in about a month or two, even with "guaranteed delivery by". Lol

Soul Monkey said:
I got a SanDisk 128 GB and it has been working great so far.
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I second that

Soul Monkey said:
I got a SanDisk 128 GB and it has been working great so far.
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Yup. Anyone splurge on a 200GB card yet?
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I use a 32gb Samsung Pro+

I've got a generic 32gb class 10 and I have it as internal and its really laggy when I use Facebook, twitter etc so at the moment I just chuck my games on there. If I get a San disk extreme or pro will that eliminate the lag?
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Maybe... But don't expect it to. Internal memory is much faster than even the fastest SD card. If you must use your SD card as internal storage for apps due to space, then move low usage apps to external card and heavy use ones to internal
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blackknightavalon said:
Yup. Anyone splurge on a 200GB card yet?
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I would like to know this too. There was some user who was successfully using a 200gb card in his phone. But since then I havent read of anyone else doing it. It would be great if we could use a 200gb card in our phone. Someone who is using it, kindly give your feedback.

sarkar_007 said:
I would like to know this too. There was some user who was successfully using a 200gb card in his phone. But since then I havent read of anyone else doing it. It would be great if we could use a 200gb card in our phone. Someone who is using it, kindly give your feedback.
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Probably me, I have a Sandisk Ultra 200GB card. Works fine, no issues at all, ends up around 180GB usable. I've formatted it in both ext4 and exfat, both work fine. I did some benchmarks in another thread around here somewhere. Any questions, feel free.